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So your writing this 1st test off already then?
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If not lethal atleast Monty would have been damn effective to Bresnan/ Samit/ Broad.
Problem for ENG is they can't drop Broad as he's their vice captain
Problem for ENG is they can't drop Broad as he's their vice captain
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Dear oh dear oh dear.
OK, a pitch that starts off flat but starts to turn by the end of the first day and is a raging bunsen by the end of day 2 is not a good Test pitch. The team batting first has a huge advantage. On the other hand it has behaved exactly as every single commentator for the last week predicted it would. If England had their team selection right, India could quite conceivably been bowled out before lunch on Day 2, partially negating some of that advantage.
As it is, England face a huge uphill battle which I'm struggling to see a way out of. About the only way I can see of saving this game is to get as close as possible to the follow-on target. If by virtue of a monumental effort in the follow-on they could set India 100+ in the fourth innings, anything could happen depending on how badly the pitch deteriorates. The trouble is that if England get anywhere close to the follow-on target I can see India not enforcing it.
I had further reason to see red today, namely the mindless use of a nightwatchman. I'm not against the use of a nightwatchman 100% of the time, but I am most of the time. In this instance there were lots of overs left to face, and apart from the pitch (which will still be there tomorrow morning) conditions were perfect for batting. What possible benefit is to be gained from using a nightwatchman under those circumstances?
OK, a pitch that starts off flat but starts to turn by the end of the first day and is a raging bunsen by the end of day 2 is not a good Test pitch. The team batting first has a huge advantage. On the other hand it has behaved exactly as every single commentator for the last week predicted it would. If England had their team selection right, India could quite conceivably been bowled out before lunch on Day 2, partially negating some of that advantage.
As it is, England face a huge uphill battle which I'm struggling to see a way out of. About the only way I can see of saving this game is to get as close as possible to the follow-on target. If by virtue of a monumental effort in the follow-on they could set India 100+ in the fourth innings, anything could happen depending on how badly the pitch deteriorates. The trouble is that if England get anywhere close to the follow-on target I can see India not enforcing it.
I had further reason to see red today, namely the mindless use of a nightwatchman. I'm not against the use of a nightwatchman 100% of the time, but I am most of the time. In this instance there were lots of overs left to face, and apart from the pitch (which will still be there tomorrow morning) conditions were perfect for batting. What possible benefit is to be gained from using a nightwatchman under those circumstances?
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If not lethal atleast Monty would have been damn effective to Bresnan/ Samit/ Broad.
Problem for ENG is they can't drop Broad as he's their vice captain
They can drop anyone if they're injured, which Broad is.
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Dear oh dear oh dear.
OK, a pitch that starts off flat but starts to turn by the end of the first day and is a raging bunsen by the end of day 2 is not a good Test pitch. The team batting first has a huge advantage. On the other hand it has behaved exactly as every single commentator for the last week predicted it would. If England had their team selection right, India could quite conceivably been bowled out before lunch on Day 2, partially negating some of that advantage.
As it is, England face a huge uphill battle which I'm struggling to see a way out of. About the only way I can see of saving this game is to get as close as possible to the follow-on target. If by virtue of a monumental effort in the follow-on they could set India 100+ in the fourth innings, anything could happen depending on how badly the pitch deteriorates. The trouble is that if England get anywhere close to the follow-on target I can see India not enforcing it.
I had further reason to see red today, namely the mindless use of a nightwatchman. I'm not against the use of a nightwatchman 100% of the time, but I am most of the time. In this instance there were lots of overs left to face, and apart from the pitch (which will still be there tomorrow morning) conditions were perfect for batting. What possible benefit is to be gained from using a nightwatchman under those circumstances?
Pitch hasn't changed considerably during the day's play today. It's just the case of inept batting against spin by the English batsmen AGAIN
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I'm not saying that.
Read my post again and tell me where I said (or even implied) that it only spun in the last half hour.
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You guys forget Anderson is not that good when the new ball doesn't swing.
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Pity Bell hasn't come out yet.
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It wasn't 500+ pitch. Even with just Swann, England manged to pick 5 wickets for 220 in 85 overs since Sehwag's dismissal. Batsmen found it hard to score and bowlers couldn't pick easy wicket.
On a good day you would expect opposition to restrict home team for 400 or less on this track.
On a good day you would expect opposition to restrict home team for 400 or less on this track.
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I suspect you are enjoying every second of this mayhem
I liked Swann's efforts, and I won't mind if KP scores a ton here. But overall, yes.
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The amount of turn increased throughout the day, as was the case yesterday. By the end of the day the ball was visibly going through the top! England's bowling attack consisting of only one frontline spinner was unable to take full advantage of it though.
Do you think that the pitch was anywhere near as easy for England to bat on as it was for India in the first session and a half yesterday?
Dear oh dear oh dear.
OK, a pitch that starts off flat but starts to turn by the end of the first day and is a raging bunsen by the end of day 2 is not a good Test pitch. The team batting first has a huge advantage. On the other hand it has behaved exactly as every single commentator for the last week predicted it would.
Won't say anything now, but at some point during this series, England will win the toss and bat first. The pitches will be pretty much the same during the whole series.
I am willing to put money on it, that even then England will be in a similar position to what they are now.
Pujara had pretty much no problem batting on it. England come on, and make it look a minefield. Thats the way the series will go.
First 2 sessions was definitely easiest to bat. That's why role of pacers is still important as they have to make sure that game doesn't drift away completely.
Bounce was low right from start and the way Gambhir was struggling, India did well to score extra hundred runs in those 2 sessions mainly because of Sehwag. I guess first day could have been very interesting if Sehwag was dismissed early.
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The pitch started off flat, but didn't stay flat for long. About a session and a half in fact. I agree totally that it wasn't a 500+ pitch, and about 400 should have been the par score. A par score for the pitch in the state it's in now that England are batting on it is probably below 300.
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I think Flower will be so badly slaughtered by the media that he will be a brave man indeed if England don't play 2 specialist spinners from now on. I think if Monty had played in this game we would be looking at a closer contest.
I hope you're wrong about the pitches being much the same. I've nothing against turning pitches, but a pitch that starts flat and breaks up as quickly as this one is not good for Test cricket, or cricket in general for that matter.
^You can expect Mumbai pitch to be more encouraging. Good bounce and little bit of help for seamers in first hour. Just hope that English pacers prepare to work hard and try their best to take maximum advantage of that.
80 mph trundling and spraying everywhere won't help at all.
80 mph trundling and spraying everywhere won't help at all.
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The wrong team was selected, Bresnan and Broad were awful, and our fielding was very poor.
Can only see a heavy loss and deserved mountain of criticism come Monday.
Can only see a heavy loss and deserved mountain of criticism come Monday.
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Lol I watched 8 overs on the telly and then switched it off due to work. After 30 mins, I switched it on and they had lost 3 wickets!!!
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I was there in 2006, when England won. I recall Anderson hooping it around corners, so maybe conditions will be more favourable with all that moist sea air. Guess how many frontline spinners we had though.
Clue: It wasn't one!
Don't think its as bad as you are making it out to be at all. Put India in on the same time, same pitch, and they would get 400.
Yesterday, according to Sky Sports, the pitch was too flat, and now today it has broken up too much.
If Headingley is a seamers pitch on the first day, then flattens out, its a great pitch...traditional etc. There is no advantage in winning the toss then, I presume.
Errr, coming from an Indian.....
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Monty and Udal right?
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I have agreed with the England selectors most of the time in the last few years but you have to wonder what possibly went through their mind when they decided to go with 3 pace bowlers? We've played in India before and have learnt that the pitches very rarely suit anything other than spinners.
Our "pace" bowlers were bowling under 80mph on the second day and when you look at how much better our two part time spinners, KP and Patel, did in comparison to the pace bowlers it shows that we needed Panesar.
Finn, Anderson, Swann & Panesar would be my 4 full time bowlers for the second test. Finn has more pace than Broad and Bresnan(so hopefully won't end up being a medium pacer) and Panesar will be able to help out Swann(as Patel bowls too many down leg side).
Our "pace" bowlers were bowling under 80mph on the second day and when you look at how much better our two part time spinners, KP and Patel, did in comparison to the pace bowlers it shows that we needed Panesar.
Finn, Anderson, Swann & Panesar would be my 4 full time bowlers for the second test. Finn has more pace than Broad and Bresnan(so hopefully won't end up being a medium pacer) and Panesar will be able to help out Swann(as Patel bowls too many down leg side).
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s, that makes TOSS immaterial. Infact winning toss is cursed at Wankhede. just check every game - even test,odi,ipl (sorry).
It is win toss , lose match. (I know Dravid fielded first once there but still)
will England field first or bat first ? fist sesion of day 1 will have most help for pacers. Mumbai also becomes a terrible pitch for batting in 4th innings. confusing I say.
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One difference, this one at Mumbai is the relaid one before WC. only common factor will be session 1 on day 1 and the final 2 days.
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Summer 2011 probably...
Should have played Meaker instead of Bressie- come on now what is the point of Bressie bowling in India- plus he was operating at Parveen Kumar speeds......
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That's right.
This time we have Swann and Monty at our disposal against an Indian side that's not as strong as in 2006, yet we have chosen not to use Monty. Madness.
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Have any Tests been played on it yet?
I don't bowl at 80 mph.
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The Indian batsmen struggled against our pace bowlers in pace bowler friendly conditions. When the ball is not swinging around they were never going to struggle as much. Bresnan should have had the wicket of Pujara which was dropped by Jimmy and he can reverse the ball a bit which makes him more useful than Broad who was just bowling 75mph trash.
Also, Meaker has never been tested in India so there is a chance he would have lost his pace too by the second day and would have been bowling <80 mph too..
This one I guess
http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-domestic-2012/engine/match/574023.html
Edit : You asked for tests and not just a match. Wrong match.
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Is Temlett Injured as well?
The thing that has puzzled me about Bresnan is that his speeds are quite up In England, but here he has been plain struggling, which is quite surprsing considering even Zaheer was being able to generate something....
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Yeah. The West Indies test which produced a dull 4 days and a seriously exciting 5th day. Tie/draw result. I don't know if it's the same wicket but if it is, then it Will be a good contest.
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According SKY commentary team's post match analysis, their HAWK Eye team found out about only a 0.5 difference in degree of turn off the pitch in comparison to first day (it was around 3.5 degree on first day).
More than the spin, it was the change of pace(Indian spinners were bolwing at less than 50 MPH deliveries making English batters to come forward n play at it) and variation in flight n length that did the trick for Indian spinners this afternoon.
More than the spin, it was the change of pace(Indian spinners were bolwing at less than 50 MPH deliveries making English batters to come forward n play at it) and variation in flight n length that did the trick for Indian spinners this afternoon.
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Tremlett's nearly always injured. I'll be mildly surprised if we see him in the England Test team again.
As for Bresnan, do you think he is struggling for pace or simply bowling within himself?
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You can't drop your vice captain unfortunately!
And another problem with England is that they pick bowlers on the basis of late order batting ability, like Bresnan. That has gotta stop.
I think he is struggling for pace...in India his pace has been quite down- whilst even in Australia (admittedly not same conditions, but still hot)- he was doing mid 80's-here he has been really in the 70's...
Though having said that I am quite enjoying the hard time hes been having, and hopefully he has a bit more of it....
All coming from last summer's comments- TBH from what I have seen of this England team, half of them dont want to be in India....
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Dear oh dear oh dear.
OK, a pitch that starts off flat but starts to turn by the end of the first day and is a raging bunsen by the end of day 2 is not a good Test pitch. The team batting first has a huge advantage. On the other hand it has behaved exactly as every single commentator for the last week predicted it would. If England had their team selection right, India could quite conceivably been bowled out before lunch on Day 2, partially negating some of that advantage.
As it is, England face a huge uphill battle which I'm struggling to see a way out of. About the only way I can see of saving this game is to get as close as possible to the follow-on target. If by virtue of a monumental effort in the follow-on they could set India 100+ in the fourth innings, anything could happen depending on how badly the pitch deteriorates. The trouble is that if England get anywhere close to the follow-on target I can see India not enforcing it.
I had further reason to see red today, namely the mindless use of a nightwatchman. I'm not against the use of a nightwatchman 100% of the time, but I am most of the time. In this instance there were lots of overs left to face, and apart from the pitch (which will still be there tomorrow morning) conditions were perfect for batting. What possible benefit is to be gained from using a nightwatchman under those circumstances?
Ashwin was batting with ease on the same pitch a session ago. lol
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Aye, this was Swann's undoing in UAE. When they eventually picked Monty he copied Ajmal in bowling slower and reaped the rewards
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Bresnan has been a different and much worse bowler since that injury and surgery he had. Sad to see the Yorkshire Destroyer from the Ashes turn into a straight-up trundler in the space of a year.
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They were showing swann and Monty together have bowled in 7 tests. England have drawn 3 and lost 4 of those...
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Wait a minute,
2006 - No Zaheer,Ganguly (loves playing Eng)
Harby,SRT were beyond pathetic.
Sehwag out of form. poor second opener and VVS sucks again Eng.
you call that stronger?
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How many times have you repeated that?
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Well, they look at warne and Murali who disdn;t do much in india and assume the pace bowlers must be effective. And they'd be right in that when England have won in India it is usually due to Willis, Lever or Foster.
But then consider that those guys always had two spinners to help, to create a bit of pressure and bowl lots of overs.
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The worst part is that the Aussies made him look an absolute superstar in the 2010 Ashes, and now he's a glorified medium pacer at best.
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One little fact -
Pujara was India's no.6 before 8-0. (yes in SA, before Raina) Got badly injured in IPL and out for 6 odd months. Go figure.
Pujara was India's no.6 before 8-0. (yes in SA, before Raina) Got badly injured in IPL and out for 6 odd months. Go figure.
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Many. Because it's true. And as this issue keeps coming up, nobody's been reading so I will repost.
See above.
Back then Bresnan found seam movement, reverse swing, and pace too. The quickest ball bowled by an Englishman in the 2010 Ashes came not from Anderson, nor Broad nor Finn - but Tim Bresnan. Factoid.
You can trace almost all of his great bowling to pre-injury times and almost all of his awful bowling to post-injury times. It is not neuroscience chaps.
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Then why tag him around all around- it aint neuroscience England selectors.....
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England team still has time to correct the common stereotype that they dont do well in the SC. But English fans are a lost cause. They are very predictable. Atleast the ones in PP and cricinfo. Here are their common excuses when things go south in the SC
1. Team selection was not right. If they had picked Monty and left Bresnan out and nothing chancged, they would have said ah Monty is rubbish, we need Bresnan to bring the pace (125k lol) to trouble these FTBs.
2. Pitches are bad. I mean just minutes before England started playing, Che Pujara and Ashwin of all people were playing spin with ease. But no! the pitch changed in a few mins and turned from flat track into minefield :rondu. Also when Gambhir plays a short ball that kept low onto the stumps, pitch was not bad. Its just brilliant bowling from Swann. Turners are not sporting tracks only seaming ones are.
3. Toss becomes the only factor in SC. Really. It cant be that Aus/SA batted second and won in the SC. Again not mentioning the countless times SC teams have won batting second.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63871.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63870.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63796.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63919.html
When Eng wins the toss in Leeds and sends the opposition on a lawn, then toss is not the only factor. ONly in the subcontinent.
4. Here's one I havent heard before. Bresnan is onlt bowling slow because of his injury last year. Ok. Why are Broad and Andersen bowling slow then.
1. Team selection was not right. If they had picked Monty and left Bresnan out and nothing chancged, they would have said ah Monty is rubbish, we need Bresnan to bring the pace (125k lol) to trouble these FTBs.
2. Pitches are bad. I mean just minutes before England started playing, Che Pujara and Ashwin of all people were playing spin with ease. But no! the pitch changed in a few mins and turned from flat track into minefield :rondu. Also when Gambhir plays a short ball that kept low onto the stumps, pitch was not bad. Its just brilliant bowling from Swann. Turners are not sporting tracks only seaming ones are.
3. Toss becomes the only factor in SC. Really. It cant be that Aus/SA batted second and won in the SC. Again not mentioning the countless times SC teams have won batting second.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63871.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63870.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63796.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63919.html
When Eng wins the toss in Leeds and sends the opposition on a lawn, then toss is not the only factor. ONly in the subcontinent.
4. Here's one I havent heard before. Bresnan is onlt bowling slow because of his injury last year. Ok. Why are Broad and Andersen bowling slow then.
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@ James:- If you can understand that sitting on the couch, in the comfort of your home/office, then why doesn't the management of your team gets this in their heads?
Or does this fact only raises when the team gets choke slammed??
@ Topic:- All's not lost for England. Their best batters are at the crease, and they can bat long. In my opinion, they should have played Johnny boy. But strange selection policy by Flower here. May be it's time he packs his bags, and flies to SA for good.
Or does this fact only raises when the team gets choke slammed??
@ Topic:- All's not lost for England. Their best batters are at the crease, and they can bat long. In my opinion, they should have played Johnny boy. But strange selection policy by Flower here. May be it's time he packs his bags, and flies to SA for good.
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Bresnan was the 2nd best bowler in the whitewash after Broad. not Jimmy. Dravid got the best delivery of the series at Edgbaston getting bowled by Bresnan at the stroke of lunch on day 1.
I agree , injury has affected Bresnan.
Conversely ,Similar case was supposed to be Warne's injury in late 90s, but I have no clue how the 'injury' didn't affect his bowling to Cullinan and co. but only against India both in 1996-97 and 2001.
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England team still has time to correct the common stereotype that they dont do well in the SC. But English fans are a lost cause. They are very predictable. Atleast the ones in PP and cricinfo. Here are their common excuses when things go south in the SC
1. Team selection was not right. If they had picked Monty and left Bresnan out and nothing chancged, they would have said ah Monty is rubbish, we need Bresnan to bring the pace (125k lol) to trouble these FTBs.
2. Pitches are bad. I mean just minutes before England started playing, Che Pujara and Ashwin of all people were playing spin with ease. But no! the pitch changed in a few mins and turned from flat track into minefield :rondu. Also when Gambhir plays a short ball that kept low onto the stumps, pitch was not bad. Its just brilliant bowling from Swann. Turners are not sporting tracks only seaming ones are.
3. Toss becomes the only factor in SC. Really. It cant be that Aus/SA batted second and won in the SC. Again not mentioning the countless times SC teams have won batting second.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63871.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63870.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63796.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63919.html
When Eng wins the toss in Leeds and sends the opposition on a lawn, then toss is not the only factor. ONly in the subcontinent.
4. Here's one I havent heard before. Bresnan is onlt bowling slow because of his injury last year. Ok. Why are Broad and Andersen bowling slow then.
Well it is more Cricinfo than PP.
I want to know how has Dhoni losing 80+% of tosses since 2009 at home has not affected India at all. They have only lost one test to SA.
Eng won in SL in the 2nd test after losing the toss and fielding first.
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One thing I can safely say - India is not losing this test. I don't like predicting results anyway.
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Yes I do. You can't just dismiss a team as weak because they didn't play well. I suspect India were complacent because England were forced to put out a severely weakened team.
Sachin Tendulkar, the best player in the world at the time described as "beyond pathetic?" You weren't one of those who was booing him were you? The Barmy Army was shocked, and if anything more disgusted by that than by the witless and unpleasant treatment dished out to our own players by the dregs of Indian society in the North Stand.
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I think the biggest problem when discussing an England test is some opposition fans.
England fans seem forbidden from contributing any kind of analysis or opinion. If they're winning it is dismissed as arrogance, and if they're losing it is dismissed as excuses.
Scenario 1: England team selection is clearly wrong, which negatively affects the England performance.
England fan: I think the team selection is wrong, but can see that it is just one of many reasons for England not playing well.
Some guy: OMG PATHETIC WHINING
Scenario 2: It was a good toss to win, India won it and batted first.
England fan: Had we won the toss, we could have had a better chance of winning the game.
Some guy: LMAO EXCUSES LOL
Scenario 3: Bresnan is bowling poorly, and particularly slowly.
England fan: I blame the serious injury he picked up last year, he hasn't recovered fully from it.
Some guy: OMG PATETIC MORE EXCUSEZ ROFL
What are you, like 8 years old? Grow up!!
England fans seem forbidden from contributing any kind of analysis or opinion. If they're winning it is dismissed as arrogance, and if they're losing it is dismissed as excuses.
Scenario 1: England team selection is clearly wrong, which negatively affects the England performance.
England fan: I think the team selection is wrong, but can see that it is just one of many reasons for England not playing well.
Some guy: OMG PATHETIC WHINING
Scenario 2: It was a good toss to win, India won it and batted first.
England fan: Had we won the toss, we could have had a better chance of winning the game.
Some guy: LMAO EXCUSES LOL
Scenario 3: Bresnan is bowling poorly, and particularly slowly.
England fan: I blame the serious injury he picked up last year, he hasn't recovered fully from it.
Some guy: OMG PATETIC MORE EXCUSEZ ROFL
What are you, like 8 years old? Grow up!!
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Always choose which question you want to reply and which you don't. Works well on online forums.
James using the brush of generalization again...just like that Indian fans comment....
Mate to be honest, aint read much on these pages, about the fact that the oppo played well too- not just England being rubbish.
England have been RUBBISH-Yes, but the Indian team has played some good cricket too- surprisingly no praise of that...
As for the 8 year old, I will take that you were talking about our lad Malakian there... or the England fanboy Mr Ghaffar .......
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They are Idiots, in your famous words. Happy?
BTW, when India lost in England & OZ, they were said to be Fat, Lazy, disinterested, wanting to go home side etc. etc.
And when some Indian guys tried to put up the word about the injuries of their key player/player's, it was termed as an excuse to cover up their failures. I am sure those guys were also 8 years old. Am not I?
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I think India have played brilliantly. I posted my admiration of Pujara's innings earlier today as well. You can find it in his thread, at tea I wanted him to get to 200.
But there is no reason why England fans can't analyse their own team's bad performance and circumstances! Everyone else is allowed to do it, with their own teams and with England.
Stop just saying it's excuses when we do it. I've seen it from all kinds of fans over the years. It's pathetic and immature.
But there is no reason why England fans can't analyse their own team's bad performance and circumstances! Everyone else is allowed to do it, with their own teams and with England.
Stop just saying it's excuses when we do it. I've seen it from all kinds of fans over the years. It's pathetic and immature.
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What generalisation did I make today? I'd appreciate a direct quote.
'Some opposition fans' is not a generalisation in any way.
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Yes I am happy. Anyone, whoever this may be, who doesn't allow an England fan to freely criticise their own team is an idiot. We agree.
They were.
No, it was seen as a reason for failure.
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Your expression lets you down sometimes (appreciate it's not your fault).
A reason as opposed to an excuse. Some people just seem incapable of drawing a difference between the two. Well it's up to them to sort out their own comprehension and maturity issues.
Never said it is an excuse mate, but then dont get a bit mad, when the oppo takes the mickey outta Bressie- who said in his words "if they dont want to be here, they can eff off"
Well mate, at the moment Bressie is looking more average than Zaheer Khhan 20 kilos overweight.....
As for Broad- he is getting more and more of a pout than Victoria Beckham....
And then there is England media- acting holier than thou when the oppo does anything, but quietly looks the other way when their own players are at it.
And then there is genuine moaning about DRS from the SKY TEAM. Just in the highlights package yesterday of 2 hrs they repeated it 12 times and then I stopped bothering! Dont understand what bit of it the ENGLISH MEDIA & PUNDITS dont UNDERSTAND that it is not just England bereft of DRS, even India not getting it...but hey no SKY beeches acting like Indians getting it whilst Enlgand been denied of it.
Add all that together, plus comments that label us "idiots", it wont be surprising mate that folks will pounce on ya/yer team on the slightest that England slip up....
Knives have been sharpened for some good reasons as well.....
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The point is being missed entirely here.
I don't mind people not liking the England team/players/coaches/selectors/commentators/media or England fans/ticket staff/ball boys/mascots/physios.
You're welcome to pounce on us and criticise us. But let us also do the same to our own team without just saying we're making excuses.
We have a right to analyse the game and the teams as well, without being subject to such ludicrous and childish ripostes.
It's a very simple and reasonable request. Is it okay?
I don't mind people not liking the England team/players/coaches/selectors/commentators/media or England fans/ticket staff/ball boys/mascots/physios.
You're welcome to pounce on us and criticise us. But let us also do the same to our own team without just saying we're making excuses.
We have a right to analyse the game and the teams as well, without being subject to such ludicrous and childish ripostes.
It's a very simple and reasonable request. Is it okay?
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Yeah that is fine , analyse the game as much as you want. Cant speak for others but I have never said about excuses coming out and have even questioned England selections genuinely.
As for your request, mate you dont need to ask me, it's a free world.......
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Never mind with him. English fans dont know or pretend they dont know that excuses are signs of poor sportsmanship. It reduces the opposition from being called "superior" (albeit at home) to calling them "lucky". India are lucky to be 475 runs ahead
India 521/8 declared, England 42/3
England fan: If Eng won the toss, If the pitch had more grass, If the mighty yorkshireman Bresnan didnt have injury, If Flower and Cook selected the right team, If the sun had risen in the west
India fan: Show some respect for your opposition
England fan: WHy I cant have opinions. Stop being an eight year old. Grow up.
It cant be that India played well, It cant be that SC pitches usually turn like this (Contrary to what SKY commetators will tell you, this is a decent pitch, its practically similar to the one NZ got and they didnt complain), It cant be that England struggle in the SC, It cant be that Bresnan (also Broad and Andersen - they dont have injiries like Bresnan do they) lost heart the last two days when the going went tough (Hey didnt the English journalist say the same about Indian team in England and rightfully so).
Never mind with him. English fans dont know or pretend they dont know that excuses are signs of poor sportsmanship. It reduces the opposition from being called "superior" (albeit at home) to calling them "lucky". India are lucky to be 475 runs ahead
India 521/8 declared, England 42/3
England fan: If Eng won the toss, If the pitch had more grass, If the mighty yorkshireman Bresnan didnt have injury, If Flower and Cook selected the right team, If the sun had risen in the west
India fan: Show some respect for your opposition
England fan: WHy I cant have opinions. Stop being an eight year old. Grow up.
It cant be that India played well, It cant be that SC pitches usually turn like this (Contrary to what SKY commetators will tell you, this is a decent pitch, its practically similar to the one NZ got and they didnt complain), It cant be that England struggle in the SC, It cant be that Bresnan (also Broad and Andersen - they dont have injiries like Bresnan do they) lost heart the last two days when the going went tough (Hey didnt the English journalist say the same about Indian team in England and rightfully so).
Naah mate James is pretty allrite and decent poster, bit of poor form from him....
Probably cracking a bit here , just like the England team
But then atleast he is still here, not gone AWOL-gotta give him that!
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Well I agreed with your point about Bresnan.
As I said it was only Warne's injury in the late 90s , an excuse that I didn't buy. He had a few FC games before playing India, not the case with Bresnan before the UAE tour. I got reminded of that.
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As I already stated above, there's a difference between a reason and an excuse. And if you guys are so clear about his [lack of] abilities, then why bring him to play in the first place?
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Didnt know the mighty yorkshireman said that. Did he want to be in India. 125ks says NO. Vinny Kumar must tell Bresnan he has no heart. That would be the ultimate troll.
Some people call other posters (and sometimes an entire country;s fans) names like "idiots", 8 year olds. But when those posters call their fans predictable in their excuses, they get their knickers in a twist.
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Naah mate James is pretty allrite and decent poster, bit of poor form from him....
Probably cracking a bit here , just like the England team
But then atleast he is still here, not gone AWOL-gotta give him that!
He comes across as nice and reasonable when everybody agrees with him. Its only when he is being challenged, he resorts to name calling like "idiots", "childish". etc. You tell me which is demeaning
1. idiots/childish
2. Predictable/giving excuses
The second was mine. The first is the one Mr.James uses quite a bit.
Anyways has Nass called Trottski a donkey yet?
Awww...you are hurting my English Sentiments mate...Don't act like an 8 year old
Awww...you are hurting my English Sentiments mate...Don't act like an 8 year old
Trott's a Saffer and Nass is half Indian- so how exactly are the ENGLISH sentiments being hurt?
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