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India vs England | 1st Test | Ahmedabad | 17/11/12 | Day 3

James said:
I actually think we've got a slim chance of getting out of this. India are overwhelming favourites to win though.

Even if Bell wasn't going home for his family's sake, I would probably drop him purely on the basis of that shot. It was not Test-standard cricket to come out and select that shot in that situation. No rollocking from the management can get across how poor a dismissal it was; Bairstow played well against South Africa and deserves a chance in his place.
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Hope that happens. We know how it turned out last time around ! :jamaica: :jf
 
Gunther said:
Yep, Indians keep downplaying their attack and hyping their batting, but Zaheer and Yadav sure know which areas to bowl in these conditions. And that to top of that very good spin combo of Ashwin and Ojha. I loved Yadav and Zaheer consistently attacking the stumps looking for LBWs and clean bowleds. Contrast that with Bres and Broad bowling rubbish by having Prior standing up.
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Yeah Broad and Bresnan bowled in the 140s in England and Australia. They were bowling 125 here. If I was Prior I would be standig up too. It was funny when Yadav was bowling in the 140s. Imagine an Indian being the quickest in this match. It seems they dont want to be here lol. Oh the irony of Bresnan questioning the Indians' heart in 2011. Pots and kettles. :asif
 
Fire Bird said:
Yeah Broad and Bresnan bowled in the 140s in England and Australia. They were bowling 125 here. If I was Prior I would be standig up too. It was funny when Yadav was bowling in the 140s. Imagine an Indian being the quickest in this match. It seems they dont want to be here lol. Oh the irony of Bresnan questioning the Indians' heart in 2011. Pots and kettles. :asif
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Don't you remember about his Injury? I guess you are an 8 years old, Idiot;-)
 
Fire Bird said:
Yeah Broad and Bresnan bowled in the 140s in England and Australia. They were bowling 125 here. If I was Prior I would be standig up too. It was funny when Yadav was bowling in the 140s. Imagine an Indian being the quickest in this match. It seems they dont want to be here lol. Oh the irony of Bresnan questioning the Indians' heart in 2011. Pots and kettles. :asif
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Yadav will be a super star. Bowling great speeds on a pitch where the ball barely raised above kneel level.
 
A great fight back by Eng. The captain leading from the front. But the damage was already done in the 1st innings. A long way to go yet.
 
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Gunther said:
Yadav will be a super star. Bowling great speeds on a pitch where the ball barely raised above kneel level.
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Well I hope so but wouldnt count on that. We have been burnt a lot of times before to expect much in terms of phaast bowling. I dont want him to be a superstar like "rockstar" :msd :kohli. Sharma was touted as a superstar but :30:

If he manages to play for India with enough passion to keep his speed up and not "cut down pace to focus on line and length" like many Indian "pacers" do, I will be happy. Why cant a bowler focus on speed and line and length like Australians do. Its a sick negative attitude or maybe mental laziness :jaheer
 
James said:
I actually think we've got a slim chance of getting out of this. India are overwhelming favourites to win though.

Even if Bell wasn't going home for his family's sake, I would probably drop him purely on the basis of that shot.
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Yeah, did you see Goochie's face?

Bell owes the team a second-innings hundred!
 
Ian should get six of the best, and be told that if he doesn't contribute in the second innings he might as well make his daddy's flight to England a one-way and save some money.
 
Dar definately assisted england a bit today, he also gave a few bad decisions against them. they would have been out pretty soon anyway.

All round a bad day umpiring for Dar. Was not impressed with Dhoni getting quite aggressive with him though. Also India can blame themselves for not wanting DRS in this series.

They really are skimping on money, with all the hassle with media footage and photos and not even using hawkeye technology for the viewers. Poor job all round.


Regarding the match progression, I reckon if England can tough out a score of 450, they could apply some pressure. It's a big ask, but you never know. India got a bit complacent and had some bad decisions, England must make the most of it.
 
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Robert said:
Yeah, did you see Goochie's face?

Bell owes the team a second-innings hundred!
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Why are we not talking about Trott ? Bell's shot, however dismal it may've been, atleast showed an intent. Trott has quite poor all the year stonewalling in every innings and stalling the team's momentum.
 
Robert said:
At present I'll be happy if England can make India bat again. This test is gone, but at least they can get some practice against the spinners on a slow turner. Then they can come back with this side:

Cook
Compo
Trott
KP
Bairstow (in for Bell who is flying home)
Prior (they have to promote him - coming it at #7 is pointless)
Fatel
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Monty

It's a bit of a tail but has more wicket-taking capability. Broad should be dropped and told to think hard about how he took wickets in UAE.
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Broad took wickets in the UAE because he was actually bowling at a reasonable pace. Since then he seems to have lost a substantial amount of pace and gained nothing to compensate..

In England having a tail that can bat a bit and add 40-50 runs can change a game but in India it generally doesn't. In India it is all about picking your best bowlers and try to bowl the opposition out for as little as possible. I would prefer to have a longer tail if it meant we could bowl India out..
 
Either way Finn needs to come in. He will be hungry for a chance to solidify his spot, hopefully. And give England that much needed pace.
 
Gunther said:
Why are we not talking about Trott ? Bell's shot, however dismal it may've been, atleast showed an intent. Trott has quite poor all the year stonewalling in every innings and stalling the team's momentum.
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exactly...

this is not the pitch where you bat for 25/30 SR most of the time
 
Gunther said:
Why are we not talking about Trott ? Bell's shot, however dismal it may've been, atleast showed an intent. Trott has quite poor all the year stonewalling in every innings and stalling the team's momentum.
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Trott averages 32.66 in Asia :ajmal as opposed to 49.55 overall

Bell avaerages 34 somethign in Asia and 46 overall

Lets see how everything pans out. I think Trott will improve. Bell just has that look in his face when facing spin :)))
 
The only way out for England from this debacle is to stop thinking about the deficit and just put on a mammoth total of around 500. Just bad two full days. They have the personnel but mentally it is a huge, huge challenge. It depends a lot on Cook and Trott though because are two batsmen capable of having the concentration to bat for 2 days.
 
It will take something incredible for England to save this match- a double century or a rearguard innings the equal of anything Atherton ever produced in a fight to save a match.
 
whatever happens in this game, england attack needs to change. bring in monty and Finn drop bresnan and broad
 
Gunther said:
Why are we not talking about Trott ? .
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More credit in the bank than Bell, at a guess.

Our top order does look a bit static at present.

Belly isn't a weak player of spin by any means - it's a confidence thing with him. When he is confident he makes attractive runs against everyone. When he is not confident he looks hopeless against everyone.
 
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Safar55 said:
whatever happens in this game, england attack needs to change. bring in monty and Finn drop bresnan and broad
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Monty can't do anything against Indian batsmen..even Swann will struggle in next matches

Finn may make some difference..but who knows about his injury problems
 
MattyB said:
In England having a tail that can bat a bit and add 40-50 runs can change a game but in India it generally doesn't. In India it is all about picking your best bowlers and try to bowl the opposition out for as little as possible. I would prefer to have a longer tail if it meant we could bowl India out..
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Agree with that part. If your main batsmen fail, then small flashy innings by tail-enders won't save the team.

Too much focus on batsmen problems. But restricting Indian batsmen is equally important.
 
Didn't watch the England's 2nd inning after initial 10 overs. It appears that Both Cook and Compton played well to survive for the day as well as made some good runs. Still an uphill task for England but as I was worrying earlier, cook seems to have settled well for a big score tomorrow. Either of Ashwin/Ojha gotta get the crucial wicket of cook ASAP when the game starts tomorrow.

(BTW Pitch still hasn't deteriorated as much as it was predicted by many, especially sky pundits)
 
avidlearner said:
Didn't watch the England's 2nd inning after initial 10 overs. It appears that Both Cook and Compton played well to survive for the day as well as made some good runs. Still an uphill task for England but as I was worrying earlier, cook seems to have settled well for a big score tomorrow. Either of Ashwin/Ojha gotta get the crucial wicket of cook ASAP when the game starts tomorrow.

(BTW Pitch still hasn't deteriorated as much as it was predicted by many, especially sky pundits)
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they will lose half the side by lunch tomorrow :asif
 
good stuff by Cook but still abject performance in 1st innings.wats worse is its not even a rank turner
 
Six wickets down at stumps tomorrow would be a decent effort.

Cook is the key, he needs to stay in and look after Compton, Trott and Bell. If Cook goes in the morning we will get tanked.
 
Saurav said:
wat about his detractors:afridi
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Balasaheb Thackeray has no detractors. He is worshipped as a god by many Indians already. At least 3-4 crores Indians will converge on the streets of Mumbai tomorrow. People are coming to Maharashtra from all parts of the country to see Balasahebji for the last time. In fact, the buzz is that the Indo-Pak series may be cancelled as well since it was Balasaheb's last wish.
 
chakarbakar said:
balasaheb thackeray has no detractors. He is worshipped as a god by many indians already. At least 3-4 crores indians will converge on the streets of mumbai tomorrow. People are coming to maharashtra from all parts of the country to see balasahebji for the last time. In fact, the buzz is that the indo-pak series may be cancelled as well since it was balasaheb's last wish.
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wth
 
This is a day 3 thread and a cricket thread. Lets keep it that way and move Thackeray to time pass. :dav
 
England will need to bat probably another 5 sessions at least here to stay in this game and possibly starve off a looming thumping defeat.
 
england need to make 350 runs tommorow, although it's unrealistic should at least go for 300.
 
The English batsmen should just play for their averages now, occupation of the crease should be the number one priority. If England can manage to draw this game, I have a feeling that they will be much more competitive in the remaining games.
 
We all need to be real, wake up and smell the coffee! England are going down, sad but true, wouldn't be surprised at all if this is over tomorrow.

If, and by looking at the current situation, that is a big IF, they have any chance of drawing (only possible positive result for England (a win would just be unbelievable)) this test, they need Cook to go and make a double and Trott also make a big century, and in the process waste a lot of deliveries!

An even bigger IF, they want to push for victory, assuming they get this far (yes cows will be flying), then they need KP frying on all cylinders, well they need to add a cylinder or two just because of the left arm spinner. KP will have to play one of those great innings, like a 175-200 odd off around 1 run a delivery.
 
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