India vs England | 1st Test | Ahmedabad | 17/11/12 | Day 3

[BaaliSoda]

Good solid start from England in the second innings. Both batters looks to bat a bit more aggressive than their first inning.

 

[Mamoon]

We'll destroy the Poms with Dan on a spinning wicket.

But the problem is, Dan can't spin the bowl.

Azhar Ali gets more turn than him.

 

[Robert]

Chef is actually using his feet!

 

[kungfu90]

Feel bad for Eng supporters, they look so dejected.

 

[Buffet]

There are plenty of 5th day pitches that don't offer anywhere near as much turn as this one is on Day 3. A look at the pitch maps of where Ohja and Ashwin are pitching it shows how well they're exploiting helpful conditions.

Although Bell's dismissal was reprehensible, I'm not going to criticise batsmen for getting out to quality bowling.

India batted well and scored lots of runs, but for most of the time they only had to face quality bowling at one end. That meant they only had to wait for the bad ball, which is exactly what they did. England have not faced many bad balls.

I think that made a huge difference. Let's hope for better show from England in 2nd inning.

 

[Robert]

Give the man a chance! It's his Test debut and he won't have encountered anything like this before.

If there was a pitch offering this much turn in the County Championship, it would be graded as "poor" for offering "excessive turn," and the home side would be fined and have points deducted.

That's not a dig at subcontinental pitches, by the way, it's a dig at the ECB.

And that, in a nutshell, is why English batters these days have problems with spinners on turning wickets.

Gooch, Gower and Gatting would have all got centuries in this match.

 

[BaaliSoda]

Cook is looking very aggressive of the two batters. In the middle.

 

[BaaliSoda]

Viru into the attack now

 

[BaaliSoda]

Viru nearly got a breakthrough there

 

[Random Aussie]

At least England are getting the idea and trying to score. This game is lost but they can take some learnings into the next.

 

[Sandeep]

And that, in a nutshell, is why English batters these days have problems with spinners on turning wickets.

Gooch, Gower and Gatting would have all got centuries in this match.

who knows they may have gifted us a hatrick..

 

[Fire Bird]

And that, in a nutshell, is why English batters these days have problems with spinners on turning wickets.

Gooch, Gower and Gatting would have all got centuries in this match.

All of them? I see. These gods of batting against spin would have played Ojha and Ashwin like they are club cricketers :rondu

 

[BaaliSoda]

Ojha down with a injury? Not a good sign for us

 

[style_guru]

Positive start from England. Good to see the intent

 

[cricketjoshila]

And that, in a nutshell, is why English batters these days have problems with spinners on turning wickets.

Gooch, Gower and Gatting would have all got centuries in this match.

And Dravid,VVS and Ganguly would have got Double centuries.

 

[Robert]

All of them? I see. These gods of batting against spin would have played Ojha and Ashwin like they are club cricketers :rondu

Sure, India had better spinners in those days.

My point is that England batters used to go in India and succeed because they were brought up on turning wickets, but now they do not see such wickets, except maybe at the Oval on days 4 and 5.

 

[BaaliSoda]

Bhajji onto the field for Ojha

 

[Buffet]

At least England are getting the idea and trying to score. This game is lost but they can take some learnings into the next.

How about two batsmen pulling Dravid & VVS ? Pitch does not seem too bad but it will be hard to avoid defeat here.

 

[style_guru]

Zak into attack

 

[style_guru]

Two wickets by the end of the day shall set it up nicely for India

 

[Random Aussie]

How about two batsmen pulling Dravid & VVS ? Pitch does not seem too bad but it will be hard to avoid defeat here.

There are no English batters of that quality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sure, India had better spinners in those days.

My point is that England batters used to go in India and succeed because they were brought up on turning wickets, but now they do not see such wickets, except maybe at the Oval on days 4 and 5.

No in the 80s India didnt have great spinners.The Fab 4 had retired and the replacement were not good.Just Ok.The next great came in as Kumble,then we had Bhajji and now Ashwin and Ojha.

 

[Fire Bird]

Sure, India had better spinners in those days.

My point is that England batters used to go in India and succeed because they were brought up on turning wickets, but now they do not see such wickets, except maybe at the Oval on days 4 and 5.

I was being sarcastic. They would have done better than this current bunch but saying all of them would have centuries here is exaggeration at its best.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are no English batters of that quality.

They would be thinking why did the retire?They would have filled up their boots here.

Btw Dravid is a gun in commentary.

 

[Fire Bird]

They would be thinking why did the retire?They would have filled up their boots here.

Btw Dravid is a gun in commentary.

Dravid is the best of the lot. Please stay Dravid. Would be a welcome break from Tracer bullet Shastri and Manjrekar with his "neutral" commetray

 

[Big Harvey]

Of course. I never wished him to fail. He might do well on English tracks.

He averaged a Bradmanesque 99.25 in this year's County Championship (Division 1). He's old for a debutant, but it's hard to leave a player out who's in that kind of form.

He's not exactly a crowd-pleaser though!

 

[Mobashir]

Does anyone listening to the Indian commentary can sya what Ravi awnsered to the last question: How big a role Saeed Ajmal played on English batsman to playing spin bowling?

 

[Robert]

I was being sarcastic. They would have done better than this current bunch but saying all of them would have centuries here is exaggeration at its best.

Well, I can show you a scorecard where England were at one point 500-2 in Madras, IIRC.....

They would be thinking why did the retire?They would have filled up their boots here.

I'm inclined to agree. Jimmy has looked OK but Bres is a yard down on pace and Broad wasn't even taking wickets in England after June. The Indian opening bowlers have looked sharper.

 

[Fire Bird]

With England 56/0, how many in the SKY comm box are whining about the pitch being bad and how many are praising Cook and Compton.

 

[Mamoon]

Does anyone listening to the Indian commentary can sya what Ravi awnsered to the last question: How big a role Saeed Ajmal played on English batsman to playing spin bowling?

Is he suggesting that England were good at playing spin before they ran into Ajmal? )

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well, I can show you a scorecard where England were at one point 500-2 in Madras, IIRC.....



I'm inclined to agree. Jimmy has looked OK but Bres is a yard down on pace and Broad wasn't even taking wickets in England after June. The Indian opening bowlers have looked sharper.

TBH Zaheer and Yadav have reversed the ball both ways and Yadav did it at 90MPH and even Zaheer was 85MPH.Thats the difference.They are trying to hit the pitch or pitch it right up and bending their back.The English bowlers did nothing of that sort.

 

[MattyB]

Compton is starting to get the right idea, let the ball come to you on a slow pitch rather than lunging forwards and producing an edge. Eventually the bad ball will come and you can hit that away. We're batting to save the test here so no point doing a Bell and trying to attack from first ball.

 

[Buffet]

With England 56/0, how many in the SKY comm box are whining about the pitch being bad and how many are praising Cook and Compton.

Pitch was never bad to begin with. This is only 3rd day of test match and pitch has not deteriorated so far. It was taking more turn than first day and nothing else.

 

[MattyB]

Put the sweep away Cook, that's the shot that has caused us the most problems over the last year and should have put Cook back in the pavilion there..

 

[Mobashir]

Is he suggesting that England were good at playing spin before they ran into Ajmal? )

I don't know, someone asked him this and I was interested in his awnser...

 

[Yuri]

3rd Class Umpire Dar.. issed:

 

[Mamoon]

Absolute howler by

Is it a coincidence that his extremely rare shockers are against India always?

The last real shocker I remember was on the bowling of Agarkar when he clearly got De Villiers out in the slips only for to rule him not out.

 

[Fire Bird]

Well, I can show you a scorecard where England were at one point 500-2 in Madras, IIRC.....

You must be talking about this game

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63394.html

Look at the spin bowlers India had. Do you think they are better than Ojha and Ashwin. I dont think so. LSRK was good but you dont know your cricket if you think Yadav and Shastri are world class

 

[Tridibans_16]

That was a brainfart by Dar.

 

[OutKast]

Too many errors by Dar today. The last one was as plumb as it gets. I don't see him officiating in the next match.

 

[Buffet]

Absolute howler by

Is it a coincidence that his extremely rare shockers are against India always?

The last real shocker I remember was on the bowling of Agarkar when he clearly got De Villiers out in the slips only for to rule him not out.

He is giving one shocker after another today.

 

[Fire Bird]

Pitch was never bad to begin with. This is only 3rd day of test match and pitch has not deteriorated so far. It was taking more turn than first day and nothing else.

Yeah but tell that to the English fanboys who insist pitches like this are killing cricket. :rondu

 

[Space Cat]

But the problem is, Dan can't spin the bowl.

Azhar Ali gets more turn than him.

In his youth he could give the ball a good rip. I miss those days.

 

[Yuri]

Remember Dar killing our chances in an ODI series in England.. where he literally killed the match in the first 10 overs with his howlers.. !! Surely has something against India..
Pathetic umpiring.

 

[cricketjoshila]

whats wrong with Aleem Dar today?Has retirement of Taufel made him complacent?

 

[MattyB]

Yeah but tell that to the English fanboys who insist pitches like this are killing cricket. :rondu

Can you show me some quotes of these "English fanboys" insisting that pitches like this are killing cricket?

England are plodding along slowly here, hopefully this will give the batsmen some practice ready for the 2nd test, as boy they need it..

 

[Fire Bird]

Remember Dar killing our chances in an ODI series in England.. where he literally killed the match in the first 10 overs with his howlers.. !! Surely has something against India..
Pathetic umpiring.

I think :dar is pretty good. He is under pressure and everybody makes mistakes. Bucknor OTOH was blind as a bat. I dont know why ICC keeps senior citizens on its panel.

 

[MattyB]

Remember Dar killing our chances in an ODI series in England.. where he literally killed the match in the first 10 overs with his howlers.. !! Surely has something against India..
Pathetic umpiring.

He also gave Patel out when it wasn't so stop playing the victim card..

 

[Mamoon]

Another controversy beckons

If England somehow manage to save this test, the Indian media will have a field day conspiring against

 

[Mamoon]

In his youth he could give the ball a good rip. I miss those days.

Yeah but he was finished years ago.

NZ have a habit of dragging players way past their expiry date.

Chris Harris, Kyle Mills, Jacob Oram, Vettori etc.

 

[style_guru]

Witch doctor should try and induce cook into driving, rather then sweeping.

 

[Fire Bird]

Another controversy beckons

If England somehow manage to save this test, the Indian media will have a field day conspiring against

Hope it doesnt happen. Just get on with it India. behavior today was dsgusting. Expect Sky to pick up more ammo on this

 

[MattyB]

Witch doctor should try and induce cook into driving, rather then sweeping.

No you want him to sweep. When the ball is spinning, sweeping becomes quite a dangerous shot. Cook was playing the sweep when he should have been out a few minutes ago and look at how many of the Indian wickets fell due to sweeping..

 

[dadabhai]

Is there any stream/radio with alternative commentary? Can't listen to Whine style of the engerlish. Even Hindi commentary?

 

[Mamoon]

Hope it doesnt happen. Just get on with it India. behavior today was dsgusting. Expect Sky to pick up more ammo on this

Where is the crybaby when you need him most? :rondu

 

[Robert]

You must be talking about this game

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63394.html

Look at the spin bowlers India had. Do you think they are better than Ojha and Ashwin. I dont think so. LSRK was good but you dont know your cricket if you think Yadav and Shastri are world class

Yes, I think Laxman was better than these guys, and Yadav as good. Shastri did a good tight job as third spinner (second outside the Subcontinent). I don't think Ojha and Ashwin are world class, BTW.

 

[Space Cat]

Yeah but he was finished years ago.

NZ have a habit of dragging players way past their expiry date.

Chris Harris, Kyle Mills, Jacob Oram, Vettori etc.

Hes still averaging 45 with the bat in the last 3 or 4 years and holds up an end.

Also you have a point about Oram and Harris but i don't know how you came to the conclusion Mills is past his expiry date.

 

[wrongun]

What was the Dhoni controversy, I missed it.

PS. IMO Yadav is developing nicely. His control is improving and he still bowls 90mph+ here at the end of a whole day of bowling.

 

[cricketpassion]

We believe in umpires we don't want DRS although we are keep arguing with them after every decision :Nasser Hussain about india . )

 

[Poison]

Aleem Dar has been shocking today, having a very bad day

 

[Robert]

TBH Zaheer and Yadav have reversed the ball both ways and Yadav did it at 90MPH and even Zaheer was 85MPH.Thats the difference.They are trying to hit the pitch or pitch it right up and bending their back.The English bowlers did nothing of that sort.

Sure, which is why for the next test I want them to drop Broad and pick Finn. He'll bowl more wicket-taking balls.

 

[RexRex]

Cook is showing us why he's going to be the first to 10000 runs.

 

[style_guru]

If, and I am sure that no wicket falls today, England'll be mighty pleased with their effort in the 2nd innings.

England shall lose the match in all probability. But these runs will only help their confidence in the remaining matches

 

[James]

Chef is a fantastic batsman no doubt.

Basically, we need to score another 500 runs. Nothing else to it.

 

[Fire Bird]

Where is the crybaby when you need him most? :rondu

:rondu not only cries but makes you go to sleep with his dull tone. Maybe he whinges just to wake up the audience. But its like a Gulag style drip torture.

 

[Big Harvey]

More fight from England in those last two sessions than we saw from India in the entire series in 2011!

 

[Robert]

Well done Cook and Compo III! This will give England a deal of confidence.

I think this pushes Cook's average in India up to 50.

 

[musaarthali]

BCCI again sent message to Team India..they want match to go to 4th day

well done Cook but you wont get 100..

all over by lunch or 2nd session tomorro

 

[Fire Bird]

Yes, I think Laxman was better than these guys, and Yadav as good. Shastri did a good tight job as third spinner (second outside the Subcontinent). I don't think Ohja and Ashwin are world class.

You only call Yadav and Shastri good because you won and two of your batters scored 200. Nobody in India knwos who Shivlal Yadav is and most Indians hate tracer bullet and Lakshman "two men in the deep" Sivaramakrishnan for their rubbish cricket.

Ojha did better than Swann. So is Swann not world class. Then what about Jimmy, Broadie, Bressie. They turn into trundlers when there is no grass around.

 

[Fire Bird]

India 521/8 decl: Pujara scores 200 on a Flat pitch, Swann brilliant 5-for
Eng 191 ao: "Rank" turner, pitch crumbling, bad for test cricket, lack of spirit of cricket, petty tactics from BCCI
Eng 111/0: Well done Cook and Compton brilliant batting. :rondu

 

[James]

Swann is better than any Indian spinner. Remember he has taken many of his wickets against India, Sri Lanka and South Africa. He has not just taken the wickets of inept English toffs.

 

[Sidcricfan]

Horrible umpiring by . pathetic

 

[Fire Bird]

Zaheer > Andersen, Broad, Bresnan. He knows how to take wickets in Indian tracks

 

[Robert]

You only call Yadav and Shastri good because you won and two of your batters scored 200. Nobody in India knwos who Shivlal Yadav is and most Indians hate tracer bullet and Lakshman "two men in the deep" Sivaramakrishnan for their rubbish cricket.

Well, I can't help it if Indians can't remember what happened in the eighties, can I?

Ojha did better than Swann. So is Swann not world class. Then what about Jimmy, Broadie, Bressie. They turn into trundlers when there is no grass around.

No, Swann is not world class either. He is merely 'good'.

 

[James]

Zaheer > Andersen, Broad, Bresnan. He knows how to take wickets in Indian tracks

I agree with this.

And Robert, oh go on. Swann is a world class bowler.

 

[Robert]

Chef is a fantastic batsman no doubt.

Basically, we need to score another 500 runs. Nothing else to it.

At present I'll be happy if England can make India bat again. This test is gone, but at least they can get some practice against the spinners on a slow turner. Then they can come back with this side:

Cook
Compo
Trott
KP
Bairstow (in for Bell who is flying home)
Prior (they have to promote him - coming it at #7 is pointless)
Fatel
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Monty

It's a bit of a tail but has more wicket-taking capability. Broad should be dropped and told to think hard about how he took wickets in UAE.

 

[Fire Bird]

Well, I can't help it if Indians can't remember what happened in the eighties, can I?




No, Swann is not world class either. He is merely 'good'.

I think you are smart enough to understand that if subsequent generations cant remember a cricketer, his figures arent any good, and nobody in the cricketing circles talk about him then he is probably not that good.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

BBC 'breaking' news : England reach 111 for no loss.

Sums it up.

 

[James]

I actually think we've got a slim chance of getting out of this. India are overwhelming favourites to win though.

Even if Bell wasn't going home for his family's sake, I would probably drop him purely on the basis of that shot. It was not Test-standard cricket to come out and select that shot in that situation. No rollocking from the management can get across how poor a dismissal it was; Bairstow played well against South Africa and deserves a chance in his place.

 

[Gunther]

Zaheer > Andersen, Broad, Bresnan. He knows how to take wickets in Indian tracks

Yep, Indians keep downplaying their attack and hyping their batting, but Zaheer and Yadav sure know which areas to bowl in these conditions. And that to top of that very good spin combo of Ashwin and Ojha. I loved Yadav and Zaheer consistently attacking the stumps looking for LBWs and clean bowleds. Contrast that with Bres and Broad bowling rubbish by having Prior standing up.