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India vs South Africa | 1st Test | Mohali | 5th-9th November | Match Thread | India won by 108 runs

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Needed Dhoni here. The collapse stopper. Need his ice chill attitude in this unstable/unreliable batting order.
 
"Ball moved just a little bit..." That explains everything. We all know Kohli ki khul jaati hai, whenever the ball moves an inch.
 
Rahane is such a quality batsman. Can we please import him for our team?
 
Silly crowd. Cheer for your own players, not the opposition.
 
#GreenRoars said:
We have better batsmen than him in Test. No thanks
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He's better than Haris, Rizwan, Fawad, Akmal and Maqsood and so, would be best suited to replace Younis or Misbah, when the old stalwarts retire.
 
battler said:
He's not better than him against pace, that's clear as daylight
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Younis averages 50+ in England and has a better record than Rahane in New Zealand too. We all know the state of Australian pitches these days but yes, Rahane was better in South Africa and Australia, albeit on easier pitches.

When you take their batting position into account, I don't see how can make OTT comments about Rahane being better than Younis at handling pace. Reality is that Younis trumps him at playing pace-bowling too.
 
battler said:
Pretty sure he is better than Malik and Shafiq.
And better than all you batsmen against pace.
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Huh, sure? He isn't even better than Harry and Faddy in Test matches. Sooner you will realize, he can be equal to Shafiq, but not better
 
Bilal7 said:
Younis averages 50+ in England and has a better record than Rahane in New Zealand too. We all know the state of Australian pitches these days but yes, Rahane was better in South Africa and Australia, albeit on easier pitches.

When you take their batting position into account, I don't see how can make OTT comments about Rahane being better than Younis at handling pace. Reality is that Younis trumps him at playing pace-bowling too.
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Why don't we let[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] decide this.
Who is etter at handling pace- younis or rahane?
 
Bilal7 said:
Yes, he is. Have any of those three even played enough to warrant a comparison?
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How much they have played? How many Test matches by Harry, Rizzu and Faddy? It's not their fault because we have best players right now in shape of Shafiq, Missi, YK in middle order.
 
battler said:
Man :facepalm: i don't know what to say.
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It was my reaction too when some said he is better than all our batsmen against pacet :))
Well, as sensible bro said in 2 years we will have clear results bhai
Now let's focus on both matches.
 
#GreenRoars said:
It was my reaction too when some said he is better than all our batsmen against pacet :))
Well, as sensible bro said in 2 years we will have clear results bhai
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Ok who is a better batsmen against pace than Rahane in pakistan?
I don't think I said something wrong. Rahane has performed in all fast bowling friendly countries.
 
#GreenRoars said:
How much they have played? How many Test matches by Harry, Rizzu and Faddy? It's not their fault because we have best players right now in shape of Shafiq, Missi, YK in middle order.
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Exactly, so how in the world can you say that they are better player than Rahane?
 
#GreenRoars said:
It was my reaction too when some said he is better than all our batsmen against pacet :))
Well, as sensible bro said in 2 years we will have clear results bhai
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Actually battler is right.

You don't have to go overseas to see how each play.

See the technique against pace, the time they have, etc.

Rahane is better than pace than even most Indian batsmen of the past.

Can you name the last time, a player (any country) averaged 48.5 outside Asia on his FIRST TOUR? Anyone. I don't think even Tendulkar has those stats. Modern era, past era, any era - you can try and find a batsman who did that. Very hard to find one.

Rahane is that good (against pace). To expect Shafiq and co to outdo it (which while not impossible) is improbable when you look at the way they bat.

But against spin, Rahane ain't all that.
 
battler said:
Ok who is a better batsmen against pace than Rahane in pakistan?
I don't think I said something wrong. Rahane has performed in all fast bowling friendly countries.
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Wrong, he failed in England. Younis and Rahane have a comparable record in those countries but Khan has been batting at #3 while Rahane bats at #5.
 
Bilal7 said:
Wrong, he failed in England. Younis and Rahane have a comparable record in those countries but Khan has been batting at #3 while Rahane bats at #5.
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He failed in England :facepalm: [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
Without his century at lords India would have lost 4-0. Yeah he din't perform as well in other tests but no one did.
Team was mentally shot.
 
battler said:
He failed in England :facepalm: [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
Without his century at lords India would have lost 4-0. Yeah he din't perform as well in other tests but no one did.
Team was mentally shot.
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Did Younis fail in South Africa?
 
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Hehehe, can Rahane do this?
 
battler said:
He din't but he was average.
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Younis scored a century in Cape Town, the only pitch that wasn't a green lawn but even then we were four down for 50-odd runs, in that match.

In the last test, he top-scored with 40-odd and was the last man dismissed so if you're saying that Rahane didn't fail in England, with an average of 30-odd, then neither did Younis fail in South Africa with an average of 30-odd.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Actually battler is right.

You don't have to go overseas to see how each play.

See the technique against pace, the time they have, etc.

Rahane is better than pace than even most Indian batsmen of the past.

Can you name the last time, a player (any country) averaged 48.5 outside Asia on his FIRST TOUR? Anyone. I don't think even Tendulkar has those stats. Modern era, past era, any era - you can try and find a batsman who did that. Very hard to find one.

Rahane is that good (against pace). To expect Shafiq and co to outdo it (which while not impossible) is improbable when you look at the way they bat.

But against spin, Rahane ain't all that.
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Umar Akmal first tour to NZ his avg was 63 in 3 matches, and for a source : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Now will you say that UA is better than Rahane??? Hell no, UA isn't even better than Dhawan tbh :))
That's why i said let's wait for some years and we will have clear picture, these small samples can't decide any thing. We have seen many players in the past who started of brilliantly ( like UA did ) but then what???
Rahane is a technically sound player, but Shafiq is too. Let's end this debate here and wait for proper time Sir because currently Pakistan is going good and my man Vijay is playing brilliantly.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Umar Akmal first tour to NZ his avg was 63 in 3 matches, and for a source : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Now will you say that UA is better than Rahane??? Hell no, UA isn't even better than Dhawan tbh :))
That's why i said let's wait for some years and we will have clear picture, these small samples can't decide any thing. We have seen many players in the past who started of brilliantly ( like UA did ) but then what???
Rahane is a technically sound player, but Shafiq is too. Let's end this debate here and wait for proper time Sir because currently Pakistan is going good and my man Vijay is playing brilliantly.
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What?

You are using 1 series of Akmal?

Rahane played 2 tests in SA, 2 in NZ, 5 in England and 4 in Aus.

That's 14 tests.

You are using 1 series of Akmal to do a comparison?

Do it for 14 tests or his first overseas tour and see.
 
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This five batsman talk only holds true in theory. Ashwin, Jadeja and Mishra are all capable of scoring fifty runs, each.

South Africa are the side that are truly playing five batsmen.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What?

You are using 1 series of Akmal?

Rahane played 2 tests in SA, 2 in NZ, 5 in England and 4 in Aus.

That's 14 tests.

You are using 1 series of Akmal to do a comparison?

Do it for 14 tests or his first overseas tour and see.
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Umar Akmal averaged 60+ on his first overseas tour.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Umar Akmal first tour to NZ his avg was 63 in 3 matches, and for a source : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Now will you say that UA is better than Rahane??? Hell no, UA isn't even better than Dhawan tbh :))
That's why i said let's wait for some years and we will have clear picture, these small samples can't decide any thing. We have seen many players in the past who started of brilliantly ( like UA did ) but then what???
Rahane is a technically sound player, but Shafiq is too. Let's end this debate here and wait for proper time Sir because currently Pakistan is going good and my man Vijay is playing brilliantly.
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37 avg for first batch.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

And 2010-2011 Umar Akmal was quality.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What?

You are using 1 series of Akmal?

Rahane played 2 tests in SA, 2 in NZ, 5 in England and 4 in Aus.

That's 14 tests.

You are using 1 series of Akmal to do a comparison?

Do it for 14 tests or his first overseas tour and see.
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1 Innings?? may be i have some problem with my glasses tbh but i am seeing more than 1 innings, correct me if i am wrong sir

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

I can see 5 innings here on his first tour against NZ in NZ. Correct me if i am wrong.
 
Rahane and Vijay are some of the best batsmen vs pace in the world right now. Vijay is solid but Rahane attacks better against quality fast bowling. Vijay is a far better player at playing spin though.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Overseas cycle yaar. 1 tour doesn't mean anything. See my past posts.

Pujara did well in SA but flopped in NZ, Eng and Aus.
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Can you name the last time, a player (any country) averaged 48.5 outside Asia on his FIRST TOUR? Anyone. I don't think even Tendulkar has those stats. Modern era, past era, any era - you can try and find a batsman who did that. Very hard to find one. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...mber-Match-Thread/page2&p=8142130#post8142130
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^ This one? Don't expect me to infer that you meant overseas cycle and not "first tour" after making such a dramatic, bolded statement after a player's "first tour".
 
#GreenRoars said:
1 Innings?? may be i have some problem with my glasses tbh but i am seeing more than 1 innings, correct me if i am wrong sir

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

I can see 5 innings here on his first tour against NZ in NZ. Correct me if i am wrong.
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Meant 1 series. I corrected my post.

Also I meant overseas cycle bro. Not 1 tour.

Umar Akmal averages 37 in his first outside Asia cycle.

And that was when he was GOOD. Genuinely good. Now he has regressed.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
When will this dhawan torture end? Can't even score at home these days.
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Scored a century in only game vs Bangladesh and then again scored a century in only game played against SL..You can't expect him to be excluded from the team coming just after these two centuries..
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What?

You are using 1 series of Akmal?

Rahane played 2 tests in SA, 2 in NZ, 5 in England and 4 in Aus.

That's 14 tests.

You are using 1 series of Akmal to do a comparison?

Do it for 14 tests or his first overseas tour and see.
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I thought you were talking about Debut series, my bad.
 
Bilal7 said:
^ This one? Don't expect me to infer that you meant overseas cycle and not "first tour" after making such a dramatic, bolded statement after a player's "first tour".
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Fair enough. I meant that but should have said overseas cycle.

From the context, you could judge that it was cycle. Why would I compare Rahane with all past Indians based on 1 tour?
 
Bilal7 said:
This five batsman talk only holds true in theory. Ashwin, Jadeja and Mishra are all capable of scoring fifty runs, each.

South Africa are the side that are truly playing five batsmen.
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Harmer and Philander can bat too.
 
Rahane being kept quite here. Should look to score more.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Fair enough. I meant that but should have said overseas cycle.

From the context, you could judge that it was cycle. Why would I compare Rahane with all past Indians based on 1 tour?
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Not sure why you would compare him with past greats on one cycle, either. But to each his own.

street cricketer said:
Harmer and Philander can bat too.
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Not much. Certainly not as well as Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
Bilal7 said:
Not sure why you would compare him with past greats on one cycle, either. But to each his own.
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Not comparing them overall but on pace ability.

First tour is very hard and if you see, the topic here was about ability to play pace.
 
Rahane also looks the best against spin to be honest. Pujara doesn't look like his old dominant self.
 
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