India's curious journey to the final of Champions Trophy 2025

[cricketjoshila]

Oh yes, media deals, because TV contracts magically put money in everyone's pockets. By that logic, Every Indian must be a millionaire every time they play India cricket. Keep going, your mental gymnastics deserve a gold medal.

So if the Indian public doesn't have buying power, why is media paying money to show them the game?

Why are advertisers paying top money to promote their products?

 

[HalBass9]

Why are we discussing unnecessary things here. Only one thing matters, India refused to travel to Pakistan and the latter agreed to the hybrid model. They could have made it tougher for India by having games in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah but instead they had all the games in Dubai. May be because of logistics. This was not India's call. No reason to complain so much. It was not like India landed the day before the competition in Dubai and told PCB that they will not travel to Pakistan. All these discussions happened months ago and a decision was made. All the teams knew the schedule and the travel to Dubai isn't like traveling to Australia from Pakistan. It is like traveling to another city in Pakistan.

You're grasping at straws just because India got criticized by cricketing fans and commentators.

 

[HalBass9]

So if the Indian public doesn't have buying power, why is media paying money to show them the game?

Why are advertisers paying top money to promote their products?

To fill their own pocket

 

[giri26]

If India wasn't in the finals.

If Pakistan hadn't performed poorly.

You wouldn't hear all this.

Yup, that's the price we pay for actually being a good team. The team cannot help it. No matter what conditions we play in, we will be making the top 4, so their crying will never stop. Even if India had gone to Pakistan they would have found something else to cry about may be the gear India was wearing or may be how we walked into the stadium lol. This will never stop. Remember everyone was crying that India did not play a night match in WT20 while we travelled as much as all the teams in Super 8's and the knockouts?

 

[HalBass9]

Off course they would have. PCB should have done that. Actually they should refuse to come to India for the 2026 T20 WC. They should take a stand. I am fed up with this nonsense. Just take a stand already instead of complaining so much.

It's the fans who are complaining, not the PCB. Why would PCB take a stand when they're cashing in?

 

[cricketjoshila]

To fill their own pocket

How will media rights owner fill up their pockets if sponsors don't pay for advertising spots?

Why will companies buy expensive advertisement spots if the target audience has no buying power to buy products?

 

[HalBass9]

Yup, that's the price we pay for actually being a good team. The team cannot help it. No matter what conditions we play in, we will be making the top 4, so their crying will never stop. Even if India had gone to Pakistan they would have found something else to cry about may be the gear India was wearing or may be how we walked into the stadium lol. This will never stop. Remember everyone was crying that India did not play a night match in WT20 while we travelled as much as all the teams in Super 8's and the knockouts?

If India had went to Pakistan, Kohli would be raving about the overwhelming love he received, and Indians would be struggling to cope with it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's the fans who are complaining, not the PCB. Why would PCB take a stand when they're cashing in?

Then complain about PCB. Not BCCI.

 

[giri26]

You're grasping at straws just because India got criticized by cricketing fans and commentators.

You are the one grasping at the straws. There is nothing to discuss or criticise. The entire cricketing fraternity knew how this tournament was going to go. The only people complaining are the ones who got eliminated. The entire fraternity should take a note and may be protest the next time and try to take India out of a tournament and play among themselves. If they do that they will have a leg to stand on. This whining will gain no sympathy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If India had went to Pakistan, Kohli would be raving about the overwhelming love he received, and Indians would be struggling to cope with it.

Kohli get overwhelming love at many places. So?

 

[HalBass9]

How will media rights owner fill up their pockets if sponsors don't pay for advertising spots?

Why will companies buy expensive advertisement spots if the target audience has no buying power to buy products?

LOL, yea that is exactly what is going on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yup, that's the price we pay for actually being a good team. The team cannot help it. No matter what conditions we play in, we will be making the top 4, so their crying will never stop. Even if India had gone to Pakistan they would have found something else to cry about may be the gear India was wearing or may be how we walked into the stadium lol. This will never stop. Remember everyone was crying that India did not play a night match in WT20 while we travelled as much as all the teams in Super 8's and the knockouts?

India has a good team. Top2-3 in all formats.

BCCI is the most influential board.

The whining comes from our hostile neighbours whose team is struggling.

And from those who lost their influence.

 

[HalBass9]

You are the one grasping at the straws. There is nothing to discuss or criticise. The entire cricketing fraternity knew how this tournament was going to go. The only people complaining are the ones who got eliminated. The entire fraternity should take a note and may be protest the next time and try to take India out of a tournament and play among themselves. If they do that they will have a leg to stand on. This whining will gain no sympathy.

No Pakistani ever expected the team to make it to the final.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL, yea that is exactly what is going on.

Basically you have no idea about how sports business works

 

[HalBass9]

Kohli get overwhelming love at many places. So?

LOL, yea that is what that comment meant.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL, yea that is what that comment meant.

So what is there to cope?

 

[jnaveen1980]

I’m pretty sure cricket boards care about fans as much as fast food chains care about your diet, zero concern, just profits. Letting one rich team call the shots? Might as well rename the sport to ‘Who Pays Wins.’ What do you think?

No They don't. If so you and PCB will be on the same page. That is not the case.

 

[Kriketer]

India didn't mess around with the schedule. ICC and other boards did, so that India's participation is guaranteed.

My point was India growing up to travel to Pakistan like all other grown up men and leave the childish attitude behind, or just voluntarily sit out. If their government says you can't travel, BCCI (ICC) should make the call of playing without India. But corruption and lust for money runs deep in cricket hence why it's a dying sport. Only sport where you have such nautanki and all driven from one childish team who is ruining the game with their dirty politics

 

[jnaveen1980]

My point was India growing up to travel to Pakistan like all other grown up men and leave the childish attitude behind, or just voluntarily sit out. If their government says you can't travel, BCCI (ICC) should make the call of playing without India. But corruption and lust for money runs deep in cricket hence why it's a dying sport. Only sport where you have such nautanki and all driven from one childish team who is ruining the game with their dirty politics

Who will pay the money if the sponsors (majority of them are Indians) sue PCB? How will you organize tournament without sponsors? So far all the whining is from jealous fans. Not any cricket board. Why is your Bangladesh cricket board not saying anything?

 

[saimayubera]

India has a good team. Top2-3 in all formats.

BCCI is the most influential board.

The whining comes from our hostile neighbours whose team is struggling.

And from those who lost their influence.

They know what is going to happen in cricket and are lashing out at it.

But to their chagrin, even the knowledge of their destruction won't be able to save them.

 

[Kriketer]

Off course they would have. PCB should have done that. Actually they should refuse to come to India for the 2026 T20 WC. They should take a stand. I am fed up with this nonsense. Just take a stand already instead of complaining so much.

If I am not mistaken, all Pakistan games will be played in Sri Lanka. Knowing PCB, they will line up like a shameless bunch to travel to India. Although I personally support Pakistan traveling to India to respect the game and keeping dirty politics away unlike our neighbours, but any future tournament PCB needs to grow a pair and call it off if it's all in India. Pakistan has traveled for long enough to India for major tournaments and India isn't going to grow up, rather will get worse knowing the polluting of minds happen in that country about Pakistan. Any other sport, a team like India would have been thrown out of the game and would be facing ban, but alas cricket is all about rupaiya

 

[saimayubera]

If I am not mistaken, all Pakistan games will be played in Sri Lanka. Knowing PCB, they will line up like a shameless bunch to travel to India. Although I personally support Pakistan traveling to India to respect the game and keeping dirty politics away unlike our neighbours, but any future tournament PCB needs to grow a pair and call it off if it's all in India. Pakistan has traveled for long enough to India for major tournaments and India isn't going to grow up, rather will get worse knowing the polluting of minds happen in that country about Pakistan. Any other sport, a team like India would have been thrown out of the game and would be facing ban, but alas cricket is all about rupaiya

Pakistan will come to India or they will be replaced.

All sports are about rupaiya. Just that cricket 90% comes from one country.

 

[Kriketer]

Pakistan will come to India or they will be replaced.

All sports are about rupaiya. Just that cricket 90% comes from one country.

Agreement signed between Boards before CT is that both teams won't travel to each others country in major tournament till 2027 so Pakistan will not travel to India next year and games will be played at a neutral venue. I would love this to be extended for life, no point going to that hostile country and bunch of radical politicians governing a sport of bat and ball

 

[saimayubera]

Agreement signed between Boards before CT is that both teams won't travel to each others country in major tournament till 2027 so Pakistan will not travel to India next year and games will be played at a neutral venue. I would love this to be extended for life, no point going to that hostile country and bunch of radical politicians governing a sport of bat and ball

We will see.

 

[Devadwal]

When South Africa hosted CT in 2009, other teams had their matched scheduled in two stadiums, S Africa was the only team that played all their matches in 1 stadium i.e Centurion. Final too was played in Centurion.
They must've ended up with the trophy with all these perks right?

 

[Devadwal]

All the recent monaing about India champion trophy schedule like One place, one Hotel ,No travel etc.

Let's ask me few questions here.

WTC FINAL 2021

ICT: Mumbai to Dubai to London

NZ: 2 practice games in England 1 week before final

I don’t want to go into details about how New Zealand reached the finals in the first place.

When South Africa hosted CT in 2009, other teams had their matched scheduled in two stadiums, S Africa was the only team that played all their matches in 1 stadium i.e Centurion. Final too was played in Centurion.

Playing all matches at Centurion definitely gave SA a home advantage, but they still didn’t lift the trophy. ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Maximum crying is from England who did not even travel to Dubai lol

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

All the recent monaing about India champion trophy schedule like One place, one Hotel ,No travel etc.

Let's ask me few questions here.

WTC FINAL 2021

ICT: Mumbai to Dubai to London

NZ: 2 practice games in England 1 week before final

I don’t want to go into details about how New Zealand reached the finals in the first place.

When South Africa hosted CT in 2009, other teams had their matched scheduled in two stadiums, S Africa was the only team that played all their matches in 1 stadium i.e Centurion. Final too was played in Centurion.

Playing all matches at Centurion definitely gave SA a home advantage, but they still didn’t lift the trophy. ?

Bro's digging up ghosts from 2009...

 

[Devadwal]

Maximum crying is from England who did not even travel to Dubai lol

England did Play back to back at the Lahore still lost both of them.

 

[Devadwal]

Bro's digging up ghosts from 2009...

In 2009 home advantages was real but now due to IPL or other league's cricket , home advantages is minimum yet team's and expert are crying about conditions

 

[HalBass9]

Bhai are you really financially illiterate or are you just messing with Joshila bhai?

What do you think?

I’m not too concerned about the financials or which board has more wealth. As a former cricket fan, what I wanted was a fair contest, but that has become rare ever since India’s financial dominance grew.

I know many passionate cricket fans who have stopped watching the game for this very reason.

Every board aims to make money, and rightfully so, but let’s not pretend that when India and Pakistan are involved, it’s just about revenue for India, domestic politics plays a major role as well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What do you think?

I’m not too concerned about the financials or which board has more wealth. As a former cricket fan, what I wanted was a fair contest, but that has become rare ever since India’s financial dominance grew.

I know many passionate cricket fans who have stopped watching the game for this very reason.

Every board aims to make money, and rightfully so, but let’s not pretend that when India and Pakistan are involved, it’s just about revenue for India, domestic politics plays a major role as well.

Both teams play on the same pitch. Where is "unfairness" coming into picture?

 

[ChennaiFan]

The PCB as a host board and the ICC have messed up the schedule. The non stop crying is boring now. Even little kids will be ashamed of such tantrums.

 

[sweep_shot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897236917361762810

Ian Pont is right on the money.

CT 2025 has been farcical due to the antics of BCCI/GOI and timidness of ICC.

It felt like Republic of Wadiya from "The Dictator" movie.

 

[ChennaiFan]

The PCB should have covered any potential loss and replaced India with Sri Lanka. That was the right thing to do. But they didn't or couldn't do it. Hence, good teams like South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand got affected.

 

[PAKFAN12]

Maximum crying is from England who did not even travel to Dubai lol

Rather than targeting their own players for failure they target the best team . absolutely disgusting mentality

 

[PAKFAN12]

There is so much hue and cry on India playing all matches at Dubai.
Is it unfair? Yes, it is. It does look and sound stupid too.
Would the result be any different? No, Pakistani pitches suit them the most.
This hybrid model was inevitable the day Pakistan got hosting rights

 

[jnaveen1980]

There is so much hue and cry on India playing all matches at Dubai.
Is it unfair? Yes, it is. It does look and sound stupid too.
Would the result be any different? No, Pakistani pitches suit them the most.
This hybrid model was inevitable the day Pakistan got hosting rights

Actually India played 4 matches on 3 pitches. Each different. They were nothign similar. India even went with wrong team assuming it would turn.

 

[charlie007]

I guess after so many protests from fans, players, ex-players, coaches, and any random guy walking the earth, next time when India hosts a world tournament, Pakistan will either have to play in India like everyone else OR ICC will have Pakistan travel to different cities so this injustice is never repeated again for anyone!!

 

[Hitman]

I shudder to think about the condition of Pakistani fans on the 9th if we somehow, someway happen to win the final.

P.S. I'm myself not too optimistic about my team though.

 

[charlie007]

Why are you trying to justify anything? Pitches don’t matter that much - India has won 24 out of 25 matches straight including this CT, T20 WC 24, and WC 23. They won 9 straight matches in WC 23 playing on 9 different grounds, the most among all teams. Be confident in who you are backing. India is not winning because of the pitches, they are winning because they are good, real good. Now stop rushing to defend India, we don’t need defending.

 

[pratiktc]

Many analysts and commentators from Western countries like to pontificate about fairness and principles.

This is all well and good. However when it comes to putting money where mouth is they go missing.

Their boards will not play even small home bilaterals vs likes of Afg/Ire/Zim because these are not financially viable. They will not offer any training facilities or A tours also for these teams to improve. There are many things wrong with BCCI but atleast they conduct events like Asia Cup and effectively donate the proceeds from it to their fellow boards and also do not interfere with likes of Afg working out a training base for themselves in Noida.

If we are talking about fairness and equity of an ICC event structure the WTC is a hopelessly lopsided event and frankly it can never be made an apples to apples event. But there is never a big talking point because people have accepted that given the financial viability constraints of Test cricket this is the best approximation of a league that can be done.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I hope Kiwis pummel this shameless team in the Final

India has Ravindra Jadeja
NZ has Rachin Ravindra

Both play for CSK

So it is a win-win no matter who wins.

But focus on 0-8 result you will be having in NZ after this CT

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why are you trying to justify anything? Pitches don’t matter that much - India has won 24 out of 25 matches straight including this CT, T20 WC 24, and WC 23. They won 9 straight matches in WC 23 playing on 9 different grounds, the most among all teams. Be confident in who you are backing. India is not winning because of the pitches, they are winning because they are good, real good. Now stop rushing to defend India, we don’t need defending.

Go all the way back to 2011. They have won 42 out of 48 ICC ODI matches in ICC trophies in various countries. All these whinings are coping.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS NOT ABOUT INDIA'S ECONOMY OR IMF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. STAY ON TOPIC OR ELSE YOU CAN LEAVE THE THREAD

 

[giri26]

India can play a perfect tournament, travel to 100 countries to play their games through the tournament and win the finals fair & Square, still people will find ways to create conspiracy theories and find a way to downplay. Do you think if India had won playing in Pakistan there wouldn't be threads like this? There will be and it will be about how BCCI buys trophies and how other teams because of IPL money lose to India etc..So I basically don't care about any of the whining, at least now the whining makes some sense.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

In 2009 home advantages was real but now due to IPL or other league's cricket , home advantages is minimum yet team's and expert are crying about conditions

Sure, the IPL slightly negates India's home advantage but not entirely and certainly not to the extent you are claiming.

If we assume an 8-10 team international tournament being played in India with each team having a squad of 15 people, that's at least 120 players, not all of whom will have played enough games in the IPL recently enough to nullify an Indian home advantage.

You also have to realise that due to the bulk of cricket a team plays in its home country, its players and entire squads are structured around maximizing its home conditions. That is home advantage. Sure, 2-3 foreign players in a foreign team might have experience playing in India via IPL, but the whole team won't always be structured around maximizing Indian conditions all the time because they will only play in India occasionally, i.e., when an international tournament is held there. The Indian team on the other hand will be good to go when an international event is hosted by them because that's where they play most of their cricket and that is what they have always done. This is one of the reasons why, for example, the Australian team is always structured around a robust pace battery with only one frontline spinner but Asian teams like India often have two frontline spinners in their best XI.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I shudder to think about the condition of Pakistani fans on the 9th if we somehow, someway happen to win the final.

P.S. I'm myself not too optimistic about my team though.

Why not? I'm optimistic about their chances. Not optimistic about NZ, almost feels taboo to say they're going to win a final.

 

[Hitman]

Why not? I'm optimistic about their chances. Not optimistic about NZ, almost feels taboo to say they're going to win a final.

I've seen enough of my team since 2014 bottling in semis and finals.

 

[Devadwal]

Sure, the IPL slightly negates India's home advantage but not entirely and certainly not to the extent you are claiming.

If we assume an 8-10 team international tournament being played in India with each team having a squad of 15 people, that's at least 120 players, not all of whom will have played enough games in the IPL recently enough to nullify an Indian home advantage.

You also have to realise that due to the bulk of cricket a team plays in its home country, its players and entire squads are structured around maximizing its home conditions. That is home advantage. Sure, 2-3 foreign players in a foreign team might have experience playing in India via IPL, but the whole team won't always be structured around maximizing Indian conditions all the time because they will only play in India occasionally, i.e., when an international tournament is held there. The Indian team on the other hand will be good to go when an international event is hosted by them because that's where they play most of their cricket and that is what they have always done. This is one of the reasons why, for example, the Australian team is always structured around a robust pace battery with only one frontline spinner but Asian teams like India often have two frontline spinners in their best XI.

Indian player's only play in IPL but rest of world player's are playing in all the league around the world. So they are more aware for conditions then indian player's. recently lots of overseas players has played in ILT20 league in dubai so they are already knowns the conditions .

For example, NZ and South Africa team had played a tri series before the champion trophy in pakistan so isn't this advantage to them compared to rest of team's barring india ?

NZ, South Africa , Bangladesh etc all had played the warm up match prior to The champion trophy.

Dubai was home for Pakistan cricket and PSL for a decade. Wasn't this advantage for pakistan.

And for highlight parts ,from the 2015 World cup onwards india play 36 ICC tournaments matches and won around 31 most by any team's .

Yes we lost important semi or final but we are better than any team During this period so not sure what is your point.

Final conclusion - Stop crying everything related to BCCI = ICC instead focusing on own team who are losing left, right against minnows team .

 

[cricketjoshila]

My point was India growing up to travel to Pakistan like all other grown up men and leave the childish attitude behind, or just voluntarily sit out. If their government says you can't travel, BCCI (ICC) should make the call of playing without India. But corruption and lust for money runs deep in cricket hence why it's a dying sport. Only sport where you have such nautanki and all driven from one childish team who is ruining the game with their dirty politics

If there are security concerns there are security concerns that's not up for discussion.

BCCI didn't ask for any change of venue. They voluntarily said we are not going to Pakistan.

Rest all boards desperately wanted India to play because they want India's money.

Fault lies with other boards not India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why not? I'm optimistic about their chances. Not optimistic about NZ, almost feels taboo to say they're going to win a final.

As a matter of fact they won a final in 2000 against India in CT.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If I am not mistaken, all Pakistan games will be played in Sri Lanka. Knowing PCB, they will line up like a shameless bunch to travel to India. Although I personally support Pakistan traveling to India to respect the game and keeping dirty politics away unlike our neighbours, but any future tournament PCB needs to grow a pair and call it off if it's all in India. Pakistan has traveled for long enough to India for major tournaments and India isn't going to grow up, rather will get worse knowing the polluting of minds happen in that country about Pakistan. Any other sport, a team like India would have been thrown out of the game and would be facing ban, but alas cricket is all about rupaiya

Do teams face ban for refusing to play Israel? Did teams face ban for refusing to play Russia or Belarus?

All this ban and stuff is good for dreams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maximum crying is from England who did not even travel to Dubai lol

Diversion tactics by those two commentators. They constantly whine about India.

 

[Devadwal]

Champions Trophy Jeet Gaye:
Venue ka advantage tha, isliye jeet gaye.

Champions Trophy Haar Gaye:
Venue ka advantage tha, fir bhi haar gaye.

 

[MP2011]

Diversion tactics by those two commentators. They constantly whine about India.

That Hussain guy especially sooks so much about anything Indian. If he hates India so much why does he bother to commentate in India matches?

Your guess is as good as mine!

 

[cricketjoshila]

That Hussain guy especially sooks so much about anything Indian. If he hates India so much why does he bother to commentate in India matches?

Your guess is as good as mine!

He is that way since that loss at old Trafford.

 

[MP2011]

He is that way since that loss at old Trafford.

Old Trafford or Headingley 2002?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Old Trafford or Headingley 2002?

Sorry Lords Actually.

 

[MP2011]

Sorry Lords Actually.

Yeah, that too. For all money, England won that title but Kaif and Yuvraj had different ideas.

 

[FearlessRoar]

And yet Gautam Gambhir keeps insisting that India has no advantage.

 

[jnaveen1980]

And yet Gautam Gambhir keeps insisting that India has no advantage.

So Pakistan had more advantage than South Africa and NZ. Wonder how they ended up in final and could potentially win the final with this "disadvantage". England played 2 matches at the same ground. Their travel distance is 6000 km less than NZ. Why did they lose all 3? This picture further illustrates how the advantage is imaginary.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

And yet Gautam Gambhir keeps insisting that India has no advantage.

Very selective and cherry picking, Fearless bro....

you used the same method i used in my post above - post num #45 & #46, you did not reply to this.... but jazzed up the image to represent the same thing i have done...the same measurements i did in my post.....

24 hours later...

You or 'the locals' or basically any one else has still not replied to my posts #45 & #46 above

I'll break it down in a simpler way....

Am not even discussing the 2023 ODI cup - but the same as below applies to this as well.

In the T20 WC 2024

How exactly did India taking

ONE FLIGHT LESSER

help them make the super 8's, Semis and finals?

How exactly did Pakistan taking

ONE MORE FLIGHT than INDIA

make them loose to a team of IT engineers, Burger flippers, Pizza tossers, delivery boys basically a team that has never played a test and played collectively about 100 ODI's & T20 with guys no one outside their immediately families had even heard about?

Why did'nt Bangladesh not enter the Semis and Finals of the T20 WC when its travel schedule was better than India in WCT20 2024?

Can any one give empirical, alpha-numerical ,calculatable, statistical, quantifiable, measurable evidence with sources for their answers like i have done in my posts #45 & #46?

If you cannot, do you have the honesty and Ghairaat to admit that your media, press, TV shows and majority of posters here are just jumping on a generic BCCI > ICC gravy train, posting generic stuff without substance and basically its internal jalan that is coming out?

Having said that, as an indian fan i will admit BCCI does influence the ICC more than any other nation.

BUT specifically to this tournament,
please get off the 'unfair advantage' high horse because the WC schedule was known well in advance.
Each nation could have selected their teams based on nature of pitches in Pak and Dubai (its not that Dubai is in antartica and u are playing on a snow field - neither is playing in pak akin to playing on a sandy desetrt) well in advance and if they did not or did not select spinners, it was their collective stupidity.
The players are seasoned players, they earn millions, they travel during IPL/other leagues and it is not tht they are travelling for the first time.
The media is just milking your collective emotions to collect their $$ by giving generic fertilizer and nothing specific.

I welcome an honest debate based on the above points

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

NZ have proven to be the true champions whether they win in final or not. They are in the final despite having to travel like this --> Karachi to Rawalpindi to Dubai to Lahore to Dubai. Bravo, NZ.

As for India, their players had it much easier. They hardly had to travel. They were pampered like Disney princesses.

It is a complete farce.

Sir Sweep_shot
I have given calculatable and verifiable evidence in #45 and #46, you have given generic head in the clouds ILM, just a sweeping grandoise opinionas in your above post.

Do you realize the difference?

 

[sweep_shot]

And yet Gautam Gambhir keeps insisting that India has no advantage.

I feel bad for NZ. They had to travel for 7000+ KM!

That's insane.

Gautum's statement is not surprising. Indians generally don't believe in self-accountability. It is always someone else's fault.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Why are you trying to justify anything? Pitches don’t matter that much - India has won 24 out of 25 matches straight including this CT, T20 WC 24, and WC 23. They won 9 straight matches in WC 23 playing on 9 different grounds, the most among all teams. Be confident in who you are backing. India is not winning because of the pitches, they are winning because they are good, real good. Now stop rushing to defend India, we don’t need defending.

Exactly! Losers and India haters will whine regardless of the reality. They do that out of their frustrations and to seek attention. Responding to them is just feeding the trolls.

 

[captain.hansolo]

NZ have proven to be the true champions whether they win in final or not. They are in the final despite having to travel like this --> Karachi to Rawalpindi to Dubai to Lahore to Dubai. Bravo, NZ.

As for India, their players had it much easier. They hardly had to travel. They were pampered like Disney princesses.

It is a complete farce.

Good point. Kiwis are the real winners. Conversely the absolute losers, the abject fools, the clueless bumbling buffoons are (drum roll) once again, Bangladesh!!!!

 

[mb3407]

I feel bad for NZ. They had to travel for 7000+ KM!

That's insane.

Gautum's statement is not surprising. Indians generally don't believe in self-accountability. It is always someone else's fault.

So pakistan was twice as privileged than New Zealand? Shameful by PCB

 

[mb3407]

I feel bad for NZ. They had to travel for 7000+ KM!

That's insane.

Gautum's statement is not surprising. Indians generally don't believe in self-accountability. It is always someone else's fault.

How is that Gautam's fault. Its PCBs fault for poor scheduling.

 

[saimayubera]

So pakistan was twice as privileged than New Zealand? Shameful by PCB

Pakistanis are thankful to India that they could have a Dubai trip.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Indian player's only play in IPL but rest of world player's are playing in all the league around the world. So they are more aware for conditions then indian player's. recently lots of overseas players has played in ILT20 league in dubai so they are already knowns the conditions .

For example, NZ and South Africa team had played a tri series before the champion trophy in pakistan so isn't this advantage to them compared to rest of team's barring india ?

NZ, South Africa , Bangladesh etc all had played the warm up match prior to The champion trophy.

Dubai was home for Pakistan cricket and PSL for a decade. Wasn't this advantage for pakistan.

And for highlight parts ,from the 2015 World cup onwards india play 36 ICC tournaments matches and won around 31 most by any team's .

Yes we lost important semi or final but we are better than any team During this period so not sure what is your point.

Final conclusion - Stop crying everything related to BCCI = ICC instead focusing on own team who are losing left, right against minnows team .

All the examples you quoted re: the tri-series in Pakistan are all international tournaments - nothing to do with the original point you made about IPL nullifying India's home advantage completely.

I do see what you mean though about PSL being in Dubai for a few years and also Indian players not getting overseas league exposure but that's hardly something you can blame anyone but BCCI for.

As for the 2015 WC onward point - no idea what rabbit hole you've fallen down.

Finally, for the bolded part - I'm not saying India's a poor team. They've played remarkably well in this tournament, in the 2024 T20WC, and the 2023 CWC (minus the final). I'm only engaging and disagreeing with your point claiming that the IPL removes any and all home advantage India may have which I argue is not necessarily the case. I've never claimed India is a good/bad team because of that anywhere in my posts. Perhaps if you didn't default to cowering defensively you'd be able to see that?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

While one team enjoys a seamless routine of hotel-to-stadium trips, the other is being dragged across different countries in a grueling travel schedule.

This stark disparity surely affects performance—are we prioritizing equality in tournaments, or do certain teams enjoy special treatment?

What are your thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897335116520939854

Pakistan proposed all India games in Lahore. It would have been the same scenario. just a 50 km trip from Lahore to Amritsar.
When did PCB propose the same alternative? Any thoughts?

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I've seen enough of my team since 2014 bottling in semis and finals.

Fair but if you take that timeline back to 2013, you can also say that they've won the 2013 CT, the 2024 T20WC, and an Asia Cup or two along the way (can't exactly remember). Objectively and statistically, I think they are a fair chance.

 

[Hitman]

Fair but if you take that timeline back to 2013, you can also say that they've won the 2013 CT, the 2024 T20WC, and an Asia Cup or two along the way (can't exactly remember). Objectively and statistically, I think they are a fair chance.

Everytime I have dreamt big since 2014, I've been met with utter disappointment. I didn't expect anything in the last T20 WC, and we won it. Better to not expect anything this time as well.​

 

[cricketjoshila]

Everytime I have dreamt big since 2014, I've been met with utter disappointment. I didn't expect anything in the last T20 WC, and we won it. Better to not expect anything this time as well.​

Same to same here.

 

[Devadwal]

Everytime I have dreamt big since 2014, I've been met with utter disappointment. I didn't expect anything in the last T20 WC, and we won it. Better to not expect anything this time as well.​

expectations leads to disappointment.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan proposed all India games in Lahore. It would have been the same scenario. just a 50 km trip from Lahore to Amritsar.
When did PCB propose the same alternative? Any thoughts?

it would have been same for india but it would have been less hectic for other teams as well... that 7000+ km would have been around 4-500 km only... huge difference for other teams.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

it would have been same for india but it would have been less hectic for other teams as well... that 7000+ km would have been around 4-500 km only... huge difference for other teams.

No one said its ideal. but literal conspiracy claims and attempts at putting asterisk on any Indian cricketing achievement is just petty jealousy. Its not expected from sane posters, I treat these from reasonable posters as a random troll attempt and just ride the wave in light banter thats all. But some guys take it too seriously as facts!