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James Anderson's bowling average to drop below 30 soon (Countdown)

Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.
 
Premier Cricketer said:
Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.
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Not a sensible post.

Dhoni singled him out as the difference between the two sides when England won in India after 30 years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20757729

Look at his average, strike rate, economy in that series where spinners dominated.

Also, look at his performance in the UAE.

Also, look at his performance in the last Ashes in Australia.
 
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This is a fairly long countdown, does it never drop below 30 ever?

Clocking at 30.39 at the moment, a higher figure than when the thread commenced.
 
If it doesn't drop under 30 after this series then it never will.
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Not a sensible post.

Dhoni singled him out as the difference between the two sides when England won in India after 30 years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20757729

Look at his average, strike rate, economy in that series where spinners dominated.

Also, look at his performance in the UAE.

Also, look at his performance in the last Ashes in Australia.
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In 3 Tests in UAE he took 9 wickets at 27.66 apiece and a strike rate of 71.8. that is a very ordinary performance considering that Hafeez opened for Pakistan
 
Just does not have the pace or that extra zip to run through sides. Broad looks more dangerous. Anderson is good but not great as some call him.:wasim
 
Premier Cricketer said:
Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.
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Wrong. Anderson is better, more credible and has produced more match winning and great performances than all other sub 28/29/30 averaging Test bowlers. Even more so than the likes of Siddle whose average is much lower.

People keeping pushing Anderson aside because he averages 30 and how Johnson is better because he averages 28, well, lets see how many people would have Johnson over Anderson in their Test lineup across the globe.

Statistics haven't done justice to many players both past and present, Anderson is one of them.
 
between mid 2010 and 2012 he took around a 100 wickets at around 23 runs apiece. He was rubbish before that period averaging around 35 and has been Ok since averaging around 31. A good bowler overall but nowhere near as good as the English media suggests. Will be remembered only in England.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Wrong. Anderson is better, more credible and has produced more match winning and great performances than all other sub 28/29/30 averaging Test bowlers. Even more so than the likes of Siddle whose average is much lower.

People keeping pushing Anderson aside because he averages 30 and how Johnson is better because he averages 28, well, lets see how many people would have Johnson over Anderson in their Test lineup across the globe.

Statistics haven't done justice to many players both past and present, Anderson is one of them.
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What does this even mean?
 
There's a better chance of it finishing above 40 than below 30.
 
He is looking ordinary in this series so far but if I am picking my team for 20-25 test matches all over the world then I will still pick Anderson as my top 5 fast bowler.

Aman said:
There's a better chance of it finishing above 40 than below 30.
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He is averaging 30.xx and you think that he has better chance of 40+ than sub 30? LOL

Some clouds in Eng and 8-10 tests, he will get his average below 30. When Ind is touring again? If I remember correctly, Indians will play 5 test matches. Just get SL and Pakistan also and viola, he will bring his average down.
 
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KingKhanWC said:
Just be glad it's not swinging, he would have ripped through your top order.:sami
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That's likely to happens only in Eng. Ball doesn't swing much in Aus and he is averaging around 40 in Aus. He has bowled well in 2-3 tests out of 10-11 tests so far in Aus.
 
Being a swing bowler you cannot judge him only on Aussie conditions. Anderson has proved lethal in England and has done well in Asian conditions in his recent tours, he's one of the best out there. Besides the Kookabura ball isn't a cricket ball. :wg
 
KingKhanWC said:
Being a swing bowler you cannot judge him only on Aussie conditions. Anderson has proved lethal in England and has done well in Asian conditions in his recent tours, he's one of the best out there. Besides the Kookabura ball isn't a cricket ball. :wg
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Excuses excuses

Bottom line is he is just your regular trundler and needs clowds to be effective. He averages what he does for a reason.
 
khalil1986 said:
Excuses excuses

Bottom line is he is just your regular trundler and needs clowds to be effective. He averages what he does for a reason.
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He doesn't he can reverse it pretty well too amongst other tricks such as the wobble seam but isn't finding much here success here like every other bowler. Johnson who bowls 90+ will also struggle here if England play half decent.
 
The legendary Sir James Trundlerson!

Average touching 40 in Australia now!
 
AlizeeFan said:
Averaging 31 in last 20 matches even at peak of his career.
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His peak was actually between Jun 2010 and right before the SA series in 2012. Took around 100 wkts at 22 something.. He was averaging nearly 35 before that and has been averaging around 31 after that. Thing is Steyn had a terrible 2012. Which is why jimmy is being compared to Steyn
 
This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
 
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Convict said:
This series well determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
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He is not a great bowler, seems like you have bought in to the english media hype machine too.
 
You sense he's just past his peak and on the way down. And his average is on the way up.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Poor series. In fact a poor year.
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Nope. Just back to usual after a couple of good years.

Convict said:
This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
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Even if he takes two ten-fors in the next two matches, only his most die-hard fans will call him a great.

He's a good bowler, nothing more.
 
Convict said:
This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
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I've never thought of him as great, though he's unquestionably a very good one.

The years have worn on and I'd like to see him come on first change now, behind Draco and Finn, keeping it tight and reversing it about.
 
He may not be a 'special' bowler of Steyn calibre but averaging around 30 after 60 odd tests is still very good.
 
Can only bowl well when the ball swings.

Not a real all round cricketer.

Rubbish when it don't swing.
 
Good bowler but seems past his best. Broad meanwhile looks to be on an upward curve.
 
Extremely average bowler on non-helpful tracks..hope he proves me wrong but by the look of things, its not going to happen
 
He is done. had a purple patch on some good ENG wickets but now looks like a trundler. No pace.
Eng has to face it, he will not get any better !!!
 
Come to think of it, this England team is pretty old - Anderson, Swann, Pieterson, Prior, Carberry etc all over 30.
 
He bowled Pretty well in 2010, looks off color this time
 
James said:
You lot can witter about whatever you like, but an average of solid 20s for the last 5 consecutive years is objective and conclusive evidence enough for me.
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and than we hear from you saying you dont look at numbers :))
 
86.6 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, full again and whacked disdainfully over long-on this time, that's 28 runs off the over, equalling Brian Lara's Test record - and that's enough for Michael Clarke, who calls his batsmen in

86.5 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, pitched up on off stump, Bailey mullers this one over long-off, the fielder briefly thought he was in business - he wasn't

86.4 Anderson to Bailey, FOUR, on the stumps and hoicked through backward square, high and handsome and just short of the rope

86.3 Anderson to Bailey, 2 runs, goes across and flicks a couple through the leg side

86.2 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, clears the front leg and 'tock!' Bailey creams a straight six, hitting a length ball into the sight screen

86.1 Anderson to Bailey, FOUR, well bowled and well played, Anderson finding the edge as Bailey looks to cut but a flick of the wrists gives it enough juice to fly over slip and away for four
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Andy averages 30.70
 
hahaha...conceded a WORLD RECORD of 28 runs in tests. This just proves he's overrated. Good bowler but nothing special like his average suggests.
 
He's still great to watch the skill he showed to get belted for 28 was simply world class :nehra

Don't like your sig IW, only a few have lead in all those events, and winning a IPL title as captain means next to nothing.
 
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Energetic said:
hahaha...conceded a WORLD RECORD of 28 runs in tests. This just proves he's overrated. Good bowler but nothing special like his average suggests.
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No, that proves he bowled a bad over against a good batsman who had license to swing for the pickets.

It's a bit sad to see his decline, after he was knocking a better batting line than this over on the last Aussie Ashes, swinging it both ways under clear blue skies....

Retirement beckons. He has been a fine servant to English cricket, probably our best bowler since Willis and Botham.
 
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Robert said:
No, that proves he bowled a bad over against a good batsman who had license to swing for the pickets.

It's a bit sad to see his decline, after he was knocking a better batting line than this over on the last Aussie Ashes, swinging it both ways under clear blue skies....

Retirement beckons. He has been a fine servant to English cricket, probably our best bowler since Willis and Botham.
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Bailey wasn't set before that over. He finished at 39 not out when the innings ended, and that 39 included those 28 in the over.
 
Can someone explain to me that how can one even think of Anderson as an ATG with a career average of 30+? That too considering he has played most of his cricket in bowling friendly conditions?

Its just a question :)
 
No one thinks he is an ATG. He is a modern English great - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Great bowler when it was his day, crummy bowler when it wasn't, pretty good bowler overall.

Most importantly, he has been a servant of undying loyalty and he always puts in 110% - and these things frankly can't be said about most international cricketers. Therefore England fans will always love him and not care what any of the rest of you think of that, or us, or him.

So there. ;-)
 
Looks tough now after these three Ashes Tests, might help if India or SL tour to England.
 
bluffmasterv2 said:
Recently heard David Lloyd say that he is the only current ATG along with Ajmal, Steyn, and (few others)

... dont know how Anderson makes it to that list
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Well, tags like ATG is misused a lot now days. Unless, neutral players and fans widely consider some one as an ATG, it's meaningless.

Only Steyn has done enough to to be in that category and even for him this word is not used that widely by ex-cricketers yet. You have to do extremely well for a very long time and try to do it in conditions not suitable to you. Greatness is not earned so easily.

You can ignore what David Lloyd has to say here.
 
Capped off the series at 43.92 then, and his bowling average is now 30.67

Well done.
 
Meanwhile Johnno has stormed through the 30s barrier with ease.
 
I feel sorry for Jimmy now. Gets sent in as nightwatchman and have Cook refusing singles to keep him on strike so he can get hammered by Jonno. Then when the top order collapses the next day he has to run around to find his pads 30 mins after the start of play to bat again. Then he has to bowl and get slapped around. :D
 
Really poor series for him.

Bouncing back against SL and India next summer will not count. They don't play swing well.
 
Anderson has always been a 29-30 average bowler. And he is likely to end his career in that bracket.

Its getting more and more unlikely that he will break Botham's record of most wickets by an Englishman.
 
3/123 and 1/47 this game.

Overall average has climbed to 30.36
 
Averages 27.4 in this game, pushing his overall average to below his pre-test figure of 30.50
 
HE is pretty good bowler to have in your side a dedicated cricketer 330+ wickets is no joke how many Bowlers have that much wickets :afridi
 
Kianig89 said:
HE is pretty good bowler to have in your side a dedicated cricketer 330+ wickets is no joke how many Bowlers have that much wickets :afridi
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360+ now. He going to end up with over 400 test wickets at an average of around 29/30/31. Okay he's no ATG but that will still be an impressive record.
 
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