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"Jasprit Bumrah is a baby bowler in front of me and I could have easily dominated him" : Abdul Razzaq

Yes they have. I'm willing to admit it.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same. I barely saw Afridi as a cricketer.

The Pakistani batters who scarred me were Saeed Anwar, Shoaib Malik(always performed against India until 2009 or so) and Fakhar for CT'17 final.
 
Pat Cummins has also taken apart Bumrah once in IPL and Bumrah himself has taken 28 off a Broad over in tests.

Any half decent batter can have great day against great bowler and vice versa
 
It was not just one over. Bumrah couldn't stop Head and Labu. It was because Head was attacking throughout the innings.

Also, check 5th Test between England and India in England. England were attacking and Bumrah had no answer.

Sometimes attack is the best dedefence

Lol, even in the 5th test he had figures of 3-68 (17) and 2-74 (17). What are you onto about?

Attacking him might come off maybe 1 in 10 attempts. We saw Mohammed Rizwan trying to attack Bumrah in both World Cups and both times he was embarrassingly bowled neck and crop.
 
It is not a wise thing to make a statement like that. Nobody is going to take you seriously for these kinds of words no matter how big a player you were in the past.

There is a huge difference in past and present eras, rules are different. 2 new balls. field restrictions. ground conditions. There is no much to talk about.
 
It is not a wise thing to make a statement like that. Nobody is going to take you seriously for these kinds of words no matter how big a player you were in the past.

There is a huge difference in past and present eras, rules are different. 2 new balls. field restrictions. ground conditions. There is no much to talk about.
Average bowling speed has to be atleast 10k more in this era comparatively. I don't think Razzaq dominated Brett Lee in any sense. Also in this day and age he would be certified bunny agianst guys like Rashid khan, Kuldeep.
 
Shahzad was more talented than Tendulkar too, according to him. These guys should be kept away from upcoming players, their delusional mindset will transfer to the next generation of cricketers.
 
Firstly his statement is delusions of the highest order, but let's say it was true, why does he need to say it? I prefer how former Indian cricketer keep their mouth shut.
 
An extremely unlikely scenario, but Bumrah too smacked Broad for a 35 run over in Tests. It's Cricket, anything is possible.
Yeah but that happened.

How can Razzaq dominating Bumrah be considered as truth ?

The dude choked when it came to pressure situations. Check Razzaq in the world cup. Especially against India. Avg of 8 with bat and 90 with ball.
 
Razzi’s point is simple. Why would I be afraid to face Bumrah when I’ve faced the likes of Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath, Bond, Steyn, Morkel. In front of them, Bumrah is a baby bowler. This was said a few years ago.

Absolutely nothing wrong with what he said.

If you want to argue that the baby has grown to a man, that might be a point. But nothing wrong with what Razzi said.
 
Razzi’s point is simple. Why would I be afraid to face Bumrah when I’ve faced the likes of Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath, Bond, Steyn, Morkel. In front of them, Bumrah is a baby bowler. This was said a few years ago.

Absolutely nothing wrong with what he said.

If you want to argue that the baby has grown to a man, that might be a point. But nothing wrong with what Razzi said.
Faced... and failed TBH.

He was a bit and pieces player who benefited from the side having some good players.
 
Faced... and failed TBH.

He was a bit and pieces player who benefited from the side having some good players.

He was a major player from 1999 till about 2008. Played a lot of useful knocks and had some good bowling performances.

For that era and for Pakistan's team combination, he did well.
 
He was a major player from 1999 till about 2008. Played a lot of useful knocks and had some good bowling performances.

For that era and for Pakistan's team combination, he did well.
Failed in WC. Against Ind batting avg 8, bowling avg 90
 
There is no way we can say for sure that Razzaq would have destroyed Bumrah. Bumrah is a top-quality bowler and Razzaq was a good hitter so it would have been a fair contest
I am sorry, but Bumrah is basically unplayable. People actively avoid him



What really would happened if Razzaq finds himself in a match with Bumrah - he would remember the advice his captain gave, Bumrah nu over nikal de.

And that's what he would try to do. After blocking 2 bowls,

he would find his leg stump....
cartwheeling....
From an incoming Inswinger.

And Razzaq would wake up and realize - it was just a dream.
Curses Bumrah for haunting his dreams. Sleeps off.
 
Doesn't matter if he failed or succeeded. Only a real fool of a person would call another player a 'baby' bowler.

Ricky Ponting and Brian Lara have battered more batting attacks than anyone. Not heard them ever use these kind of foolish words.
 
I hope one day Abdul Razzaq and Bumrah will square off in a charity match or legends match.
 
This thread is not about the importance of world cup of bilateral series. Please stay on topic.
 
Would love to hear more about the latest baby bullying that Razzle would like to unleash on Baby Bowler Bhumra.
:murali
 
Every Pakistani ex cricketer after retirement talks as if he was a Bradman or Viv Richards during his playing days

Its true for pretty much most of them - Razzak, Imran Nazir, Ramiz Raja, Saeed Ajmal . There are exceptions like Wasim Akram, Younis Khan, Hafeez who are more sensible & grounded
 
Every Pakistani ex cricketer after retirement talks as if he was a Bradman or Viv Richards during his playing days

Its true for pretty much most of them - Razzak, Imran Nazir, Ramiz Raja, Saeed Ajmal . There are exceptions like Wasim Akram, Younis Khan, Hafeez who are more sensible & grounded
the classic adage - Enpty vessels make the most noise.

The good ones are secure enough in their performances and not worried about how theylir careers are perceived
 
Razzaq would have been destroyed by Bumrah but nobody knows exactly what is going to happen. It could have been the other way around. But making such statements is not wise.
 
I think a lot of people are judging Razzi’s statement based on his statistics, which as usual is unwise.

Let’s say razzi never faced McGrath during his playing days (for whatever reason). Post retirement he says “if I had faced McGrath I would have smashed him for 5 fours in an over”. His stats don’t indicate he would, but he did.

Similarly when you’ve faced all the great bowlers of the late 90s and 2000s, what has he got to fear. “Mere saamne tho ye bacha hai”. That’s all he said and well said.
 
I think a lot of people are judging Razzi’s statement based on his statistics, which as usual is unwise.

Let’s say razzi never faced McGrath during his playing days (for whatever reason). Post retirement he says “if I had faced McGrath I would have smashed him for 5 fours in an over”. His stats don’t indicate he would, but he did.

Similarly when you’ve faced all the great bowlers of the late 90s and 2000s, what has he got to fear. “Mere saamne tho ye bacha hai”. That’s all he said and well said.
By that logic - even that guy Balaji smashed Shoaib Akhtar & Muhammad Sami for 6s in that 2004 series

So we should not laugh if tomorrow Balaji says he can smash Starc or Cummins or Mark Wood if he played & said thing like they were kids in front of him !
 
By that logic - even that guy Balaji smashed Shoaib Akhtar & Muhammad Sami for 6s in that 2004 series

So we should not laugh if tomorrow Balaji says he can smash Starc or Cummins or Mark Wood if he played & said thing like they were kids in front of him !
Yea why not? If he can justify it, why not?

Why are you guys always so triggered. Just chill and relax.
 
As things stand now, Bumrah is an all time great of the game in all formats while Razzaq was a bog average test cricketer and a good ODI player who failed to make a mark in World Cup. Neither was he a great professional nor did he inspired the younger generation.

Hence, this remark or you can actually call it a hyperbole made by him really presents him in a disgraceful taste and the one who won't be looked upon or remembered gracefully even in the Pakistani cricket history, let alone the world cricket.
 
As things stand now, Bumrah is an all time great of the game in all formats while Razzaq was a bog average test cricketer and a good ODI player who failed to make a mark in World Cup. Neither was he a great professional nor did he inspired the younger generation.

Hence, this remark or you can actually call it a hyperbole made by him really presents him in a disgraceful taste and the one who won't be looked upon or remembered gracefully even in the Pakistani cricket history, let alone the world cricket.

He is one of those certain ex Pak players take pleasure in the Pakistan team's lack of success, as he can his own zamana. He is not bothered if comes across as foolish or not. His main objective is to do his own marketing.
 
Yea why not? If he can justify it, why not?

Why are you guys always so triggered. Just chill and relax.
Its not about being triggered

Its about having some shame & self respect

As Wasim Akram said during the secret machine causing swing - you guys make a fool of urself as well as the whole nation !
 
As things stand now, Bumrah is an all time great of the game in all formats while Razzaq was a bog average test cricketer and a good ODI player who failed to make a mark in World Cup. Neither was he a great professional nor did he inspired the younger generation.

Hence, this remark or you can actually call it a hyperbole made by him really presents him in a disgraceful taste and the one who won't be looked upon or remembered gracefully even in the Pakistani cricket history, let alone the world cricket.
I can see hin getting occasional success against any top bowler but won't be the norm obviously.

He did smash mcg.
 
I think a lot of people are judging Razzi’s statement based on his statistics, which as usual is unwise.

Let’s say razzi never faced McGrath during his playing days (for whatever reason). Post retirement he says “if I had faced McGrath I would have smashed him for 5 fours in an over”. His stats don’t indicate he would, but he did.

Similarly when you’ve faced all the great bowlers of the late 90s and 2000s, what has he got to fear. “Mere saamne tho ye bacha hai”. That’s all he said and well said.
Respectfully, I disagree.

It's not about The quality of Razzaq, it's about what he said. Don't get me wrong their are double standards because razzaq said it.

If someone like Dhoni, De villers etc gad said it, then you'd see people on this thread doing a bhrangra and talking about how goat Dhoni was and what not.

Razzaq is bring discriminated on this thread because he's Pakistani.

However it doesn't change the fact that, Razzaq calling Bumrah a quote on Quote Baby Bowler is not only very disrespectful, it juat comes across as arrogant.

Razzaq playing mcgrath is different. Mcgrath wasn't Razzaq's bunny. Yes occasionally razzaq has smacked a few atg bowlers but he didn't do so every game.

Razzaq is implying he's some sort of Ramdy Orton Legend killer lol.
 
Respectfully, I disagree.

It's not about The quality of Razzaq, it's about what he said. Don't get me wrong their are double standards because razzaq said it.

If someone like Dhoni, De villers etc gad said it, then you'd see people on this thread doing a bhrangra and talking about how goat Dhoni was and what not.

Razzaq is bring discriminated on this thread because he's Pakistani.

However it doesn't change the fact that, Razzaq calling Bumrah a quote on Quote Baby Bowler is not only very disrespectful, it juat comes across as arrogant.

Razzaq playing mcgrath is different. Mcgrath wasn't Razzaq's bunny. Yes occasionally razzaq has smacked a few atg bowlers but he didn't do so every game.

Razzaq is implying he's some sort of Ramdy Orton Legend killer lol.

Thats not the right take.

If a Razzaq fan is adamant that Bumrah will be hit, I see no harm in following the pattern that it is entitely possible based on previous history of Razzaq on his day bashing ATG BOWLERS.

Most Indians here want us to admit that our team sucks and their team has the greatest players ever.

This is like me going to a neighbors house to eat breakfast every morning and complaining to him that his breakfast is terrible.
 
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I believe Razzaq Should be Careful about his statements.. He Should Have not advise Rizwan lol..
What a terrible shot by Rizwan...Maybe A.Razzaq "Baby Bowler" Statement on his mind.
 
Abdul Razzaq is the same guy who made fun of Pakistani women cricketer and said some despicable things about Aishwarya Rai.

In that context how serious should any of his statements be taken?

Also who keeps giving this guy media time?
 
Thats not the right take.

If a Razzaq fan is adamant that Bumrah will be hit, I see no harm in following the pattern that it is entitely possible based on previous history of Razzaq on his day bashing ATG BOWLERS.

Most Indians here want us to admit that our team sucks and their team has the greatest players ever.

This is like me going to a neighbors house to eat breakfast every morning and complaining to him that his breakfast is terrible.
Every bowler gets bashed, it isn't possible for a bowler to not get bashed in their 10-15 year long career.

But it doesn't happen consistently.

For example Even Azhar Ali took Bumrah to town in 2017, then Babar and rizwan both smashed Bumrah a bit in 2021. Even in 2023 world cup bumrah got bashed here and their .

But that doesn't mean it will happen consistently, 9 out of 10x Babar and rizwan and Azhar will get cremated by Bumrah.

Abdul Razzaq claiming he can bully bumrah is extremely arrogant and insulting when razzaq himself has been a bunny to medicore bowling most of his career. Razzaq wasn't consistent by any means, his magic was that when he clicked he clicked.

9 out of 10X bumrah would turn Razzaq into a joke and that's a fact.

The only cricketer who can claim Bumrah is a baby bowler is Travis Head. Travis for some reason is always at his absolute best against India and especially bumrah where he usually takes him to town in IPL, Took him to town in wc final and Even in wc 2024 murked bumrah for 22 runs in a single over.

Travis is literally the only player in the world who seems comfortable playing bumrah. Other then him, Every other player including top players like qdk, Butler, klaseen, Warner etc struggle big time against him

Now unless you think Razzaq is superior to Butler and is Travis head level, then Razzaq should not be claiming such arrogance.

Indian posters being arrogant isn't my concern, if an Indian poster says to my face that Bumrah makes every person in the current Pakistan set up and most of their legends like razzaq look like a joke, I'll have no choice but to agree as it is the truth.

Very few bowlers in history like mcgrath, Joel garner etc have been superior to bumrah, otherwise bumrah is up their in the upper pathwons of the best
 
Abdul Razzaq is the same guy who made fun of Pakistani women cricketer and said some despicable things about Aishwarya Rai.

In that context how serious should any of his statements be taken?

Also who keeps giving this guy media time?

Yes Unfornuately...because of some useless Odi innings we remember him as *Hero so called...
Though he was just one time shine player here and there Allrounder..

After retirment he cluld have help young allrounders to develop hitting and balling in deathe over, he choose media and talk extreme level of nonsense. As we all know he probably have not pass his high school. So he think can cross all limits
 
I think a lot of people are judging Razzi’s statement based on his statistics, which as usual is unwise.

Let’s say razzi never faced McGrath during his playing days (for whatever reason). Post retirement he says “if I had faced McGrath I would have smashed him for 5 fours in an over”. His stats don’t indicate he would, but he did.

Similarly when you’ve faced all the great bowlers of the late 90s and 2000s, what has he got to fear. <B>“Mere saamne tho ye bacha hai”. </B>That’s all he said and well said.
There’s a distinct lack of humility, awareness, and education that shines through when some of the Pakistani retired players open their mouths. Ajmal and Razzak among others come to mind right away having watched their interviews.
It’s not enough to “face” great bowlers, what did he really do against them consistently? Zilch! Nothing! Nada! Zero! Sifar! Dil bahlanein ko Ghalib… If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!

You will never hear such ridiculous statements from Pakistani greats - main hota to ye kar deta wo kar deta - type crap. Ever heard Wasim say I would get Kohli out twice in first over, even if could have Or Inzamam saying if he faced Marshall he would cart him around? Legends always respect other ones, they are not insecure.
Your performance speaks for yourself, you don’t need to prop yourself up with hypotheticals.
 
Every bowler gets bashed, it isn't possible for a bowler to not get bashed in their 10-15 year long career.

But it doesn't happen consistently.

For example Even Azhar Ali took Bumrah to town in 2017, then Babar and rizwan both smashed Bumrah a bit in 2021. Even in 2023 world cup bumrah got bashed here and their .

But that doesn't mean it will happen consistently, 9 out of 10x Babar and rizwan and Azhar will get cremated by Bumrah.

Abdul Razzaq claiming he can bully bumrah is extremely arrogant and insulting when razzaq himself has been a bunny to medicore bowling most of his career. Razzaq wasn't consistent by any means, his magic was that when he clicked he clicked.

9 out of 10X bumrah would turn Razzaq into a joke and that's a fact.

The only cricketer who can claim Bumrah is a baby bowler is Travis Head. Travis for some reason is always at his absolute best against India and especially bumrah where he usually takes him to town in IPL, Took him to town in wc final and Even in wc 2024 murked bumrah for 22 runs in a single over.

Travis is literally the only player in the world who seems comfortable playing bumrah. Other then him, Every other player including top players like qdk, Butler, klaseen, Warner etc struggle big time against him

Now unless you think Razzaq is superior to Butler and is Travis head level, then Razzaq should not be claiming such arrogance.

Indian posters being arrogant isn't my concern, if an Indian poster says to my face that Bumrah makes every person in the current Pakistan set up and most of their legends like razzaq look like a joke, I'll have no choice but to agree as it is the truth.

Very few bowlers in history like mcgrath, Joel garner etc have been superior to bumrah, otherwise bumrah is up their in the upper pathwons of the best
In the 2024 t20 WC match, Head scored 14 runs off 10 balls he faced against Bumrah. Bumrah gave away 29 runs in his 4 overs and also managed to dismiss Head later in the innings. On the whole, Head has had a slight edge over Bumrah in their encounters, but it has not been a lopsided affair. I agree with most of the other points you have made.
 
In the 2024 t20 WC match, Head scored 14 runs off 10 balls he faced against Bumrah. Bumrah gave away 29 runs in his 4 overs and also managed to dismiss Head later in the innings. On the whole, Head has had a slight edge over Bumrah in their encounters, but it has not been a lopsided affair. I agree with most of the other points you have made.
Really? Man I was sure Travis head bullied bumrah.

Their was one over which went for 22 runs and was scored by Travis. Who was the bowler then?
 
Really? Man I was sure Travis head bullied bumrah.

Their was one over which went for 22 runs and was scored by Travis. Who was the bowler then?
Worlds like bullied are too strong for t20 cricket. Head was throwing his bat around and some other day could have holed out to someone

I remember ABD smashing Dale Steyn for 24 in 1 over. Even Rohit whacked 4 sixes of Starc in 1 over. Its just the nature of the game

I think the upcoming BGT series will settle the debate
 
Worlds like bullied are too strong for t20 cricket. Head was throwing his bat around and some other day could have holed out to someone

I remember ABD smashing Dale Steyn for 24 in 1 over. Even Rohit whacked 4 sixes of Starc in 1 over. Its just the nature of the game

I think the upcoming BGT series will settle the debate
What in trying to say is that so far in all of their encounters, Travis head has won more often then not.
 
Even though Razzaq was a poor man's Hardik Pandya at best, I used to respect him as a player until Munaf Patel humiliated him on that night when Pakistan needed him the most. That slower ball defines his career and legacy.
 
Even though Razzaq was a poor man's Hardik Pandya at best, I used to respect him as a player until Munaf Patel humiliated him on that night when Pakistan needed him the most. That slower ball defines his career and legacy.
Tbf to Razzaq, he may be a poor man's Hardick, but his innings against SA is superior to anything Hardick has done with the bat his entire career.
 
Tbf to Razzaq, he may be a poor man's Hardick, but his innings against SA is superior to anything Hardick has done with the bat his entire career.
Razzak had a purple patch in 1999-00. Was easily the best allrounder in world cricket during that phase. Used to get Sachin out so many times

But after that he regressed and became a hit-or-miss Afridi type slogger in ODIs. His bowling became more or less toothless

His dropped catch against Sachin in 2003 and that Munaf dismissals became most enduring images of his legacy for Indian fans !
 
Even though Razzaq was a poor man's Hardik Pandya at best, I used to respect him as a player until Munaf Patel humiliated him on that night when Pakistan needed him the most. That slower ball defines his career and legacy.
Bit harsh. That was actually an excellent leg cutter on a slow pitch. Munaf Patel was a pretty decent bowler on such pitches
 
Tbf to Razzaq, he may be a poor man's Hardick, but his innings against SA is superior to anything Hardick has done with the bat his entire career.

That was a knock in a bilateral series played in Abu Dhabi which Pak eventually went to lose 2-3 right? Sure, it is better than anything Pandya has played. Ha..the extent people go to hype up mediocre players on the basis of nostalgia.
 
That was a knock in a bilateral series played in Abu Dhabi which Pak eventually went to lose 2-3 right? Sure, it is better than anything Pandya has played. Ha..the extent people go to hype up mediocre players on the basis of nostalgia.
No need to be aggressive or sly.

I pointed out a certain key metric. Pandya is clearly the superior allrounder.

If you have an issue with razzaq having one superior innings to pandya, then tell Pandya to play a better innings.

You people need to stop playing favourites 24/7. Players can be superior to other players objectively but that doesn't mean that they have to be superior in every single department.

Kohli is a superior batsmen to Rohit, however Rohit is superior in terms of SR, is better in the PP, and has played an innings (258 in odi) that kohli will never be able to play.

Does that make Rohit overall superior to Kohli or does that mean I'm digging deep in nostalgia and going to lengths to drive a narrative?

No I'm stating a simple fact. Go change the metric if you have an issue.
 
Every bowler gets bashed, it isn't possible for a bowler to not get bashed in their 10-15 year long career.

But it doesn't happen consistently.

For example Even Azhar Ali took Bumrah to town in 2017, then Babar and rizwan both smashed Bumrah a bit in 2021. Even in 2023 world cup bumrah got bashed here and their .

But that doesn't mean it will happen consistently, 9 out of 10x Babar and rizwan and Azhar will get cremated by Bumrah.

Abdul Razzaq claiming he can bully bumrah is extremely arrogant and insulting when razzaq himself has been a bunny to medicore bowling most of his career. Razzaq wasn't consistent by any means, his magic was that when he clicked he clicked.

9 out of 10X bumrah would turn Razzaq into a joke and that's a fact.

The only cricketer who can claim Bumrah is a baby bowler is Travis Head. Travis for some reason is always at his absolute best against India and especially bumrah where he usually takes him to town in IPL, Took him to town in wc final and Even in wc 2024 murked bumrah for 22 runs in a single over.

Travis is literally the only player in the world who seems comfortable playing bumrah. Other then him, Every other player including top players like qdk, Butler, klaseen, Warner etc struggle big time against him

Now unless you think Razzaq is superior to Butler and is Travis head level, then Razzaq should not be claiming such arrogance.

Indian posters being arrogant isn't my concern, if an Indian poster says to my face that Bumrah makes every person in the current Pakistan set up and most of their legends like razzaq look like a joke, I'll have no choice but to agree as it is the truth.

Very few bowlers in history like mcgrath, Joel garner etc have been superior to bumrah, otherwise bumrah is up their in the upper pathwons of the best
I think that’s the point though. Is there delusion in his statement, possibly, but cricketers will only talk about their capability at the peak of their powers.

Razzi was an allrounder and apart from the odd pinch blocker no3 role he played for a while, he was an aggressive one. They are sometimes going to come off and sometimes not.

What he’s trying to say is what is there to fear from Bumrah for me? And it’s true. Nothing to fear.

He’s faced the best and sometimes he came off, and sometimes he didn’t. But he was an international cricketer for a great length of time and he has full confidence that he could deal with any bowler, and so he should.

The “baby bowler” headline is a bit lost in translation. He said mere samne tho bacha hai. Maybe a bit crude. But when you’ve faced Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Lee, Gillespie, Donald, Pollock, who exactly is Bumrah to fear.

I take his statement in that way and if anyone actually watched the interview they would take it in the same way too.

Too many people just read the click-bait headline.

There’s a hint of arrogance and I like it. Enough of this acha bacha nonsense. Have you heard harbajhan and Sehwag talk?

Believe me, I have serious issues with razzi the player - he used infuriate me with his laziness, and general underachievement but in this instance, I don’t really see he’s said much wrong.
 
That statement is 4-5 years old. I don't think Razzaq would be thinking the same in today's time. Bumrah is a beast and no batter wants to face him in crunch moments.
 
He was a poor man's Hardik Pandya ultimately. On his day he could land a few blows - but that applies to even Bumrah lol.

Overall a journeyman cricketer who famously choked in the biggest of occasions - especially in world cup matches vs arch rivals India, he averaged just 8 with the bat, 90 with the ball and famously dropped a dolly off Sachin during that epic 98 at Centurion in 2003.

His World Cup numbers are inferior to his bilateral numbers indicating how he buckled at the biggest stage.
Poor mans Hardik?

Razzaq was a way better bowler than Hardik can ever think of.

Razzaq was an actual threat with the ball in his early phase, I remember Tendulkar and Sehwag saying that Razzaq was a very good bowler and someone they didn’t like facing.

He has 269 wkts and 5000+ runs at 30 avg .3 fifers and 3 hundred in odis, Pandya has zilch.

For any unbiased fan Pandya needs to deliver way more in order to even warrant a comparison.


Even in tests he has 100 wkts and near 200 runs.

Razzaq wins this by a countrymile.
 
Poor mans Hardik?

Razzaq was a way better bowler than Hardik can ever think of.

Razzaq was an actual threat with the ball in his early phase, I remember Tendulkar and Sehwag saying that Razzaq was a very good bowler and someone they didn’t like facing.

He has 269 wkts and 5000+ runs at 30 avg .3 fifers and 3 hundred in odis, Pandya has zilch.

For any unbiased fan Pandya needs to deliver way more in order to even warrant a comparison.


Even in tests he has 100 wkts and near 200 runs.

Razzaq wins this by a countrymile.
2000 runs in tests
 
Poor mans Hardik?

Razzaq was a way better bowler than Hardik can ever think of.

Razzaq was an actual threat with the ball in his early phase, I remember Tendulkar and Sehwag saying that Razzaq was a very good bowler and someone they didn’t like facing.

He has 269 wkts and 5000+ runs at 30 avg .3 fifers and 3 hundred in odis, Pandya has zilch.

For any unbiased fan Pandya needs to deliver way more in order to even warrant a comparison.


Even in tests he has 100 wkts and near 200 runs.

Razzaq wins this by a countrymile.
Bat avg of 28 and bowl avg of 37 in tests. Not good enough to make the team either as a batter or bowler.

Journeyman numbers in ODUs. Always cracked under pressure. Check WC stats.

Liability on the field. Dropped Sachin during the epic 2003 knock.
 
Back in the day it was frustrating watching guys like Razzaq because when they delivered at the highest level against the elite competition, it came with a degree off inconsistency which would have been unbearable for many Pakistan fans because you want to squeeze more out of such players and that’s a nice thought, with the minimal structure and board/team politics. But looking back, I don’t think you knew what you had, when you look at the state of the current team and no proper pace bowling A/R since Mahmood/Razzaq; what happens with Jamaal remains to be seen. Despite the frustrating inconsistency he thrilled and had an insane purple patch / was a big part of the late 90’s ‘golden generation’, these blokes had to deliver something and at least some of the so called bits and pieces cricketers delivered an ICC Trophy eventually in 09 and he played a big part in that and Pakistan’s route to the 99 final which is a big deal. Do I think the Razzaq of that time would have a better chance of succeeding as a top order batter in that game against India chasing 100 odd compared to the likes of Babar and Rizwan? absolutely. His comments are tongue and cheek but many self haters like to bow down and put Bumrah on the level of Akram when he is not even retired yet, he’s class but you know as a Pakistani you don’t need to rub baby oil on him, even Razzaq was being funny, he smashed prime McGrath 3 or 4 times in a row so yeah he is entitled to his view. If he was being attacked now for making such an intentional cheeky comment about some spinner then I’d get that, it wasn’t his strength.
 
Poor mans Hardik?

Razzaq was a way better bowler than Hardik can ever think of.

Razzaq was an actual threat with the ball in his early phase, I remember Tendulkar and Sehwag saying that Razzaq was a very good bowler and someone they didn’t like facing.

He has 269 wkts and 5000+ runs at 30 avg .3 fifers and 3 hundred in odis, Pandya has zilch.

For any unbiased fan Pandya needs to deliver way more in order to even warrant a comparison.


Even in tests he has 100 wkts and near 200 runs.

Razzaq wins this by a countrymile.
The only thing Razzaq had over Pandya is that he's the better test player and in odi he has 3 hundreds overs 265 games but Hardick hasn't played anywhere close to that.

Plus Razzaq has one innings against SA that's superior to Pandya's career.

But that's irrelevant, Rohit has an innings of 258 that's superior to anything Sachin and Kohli has done but that doesn't mean Sachin is inferior to Rohit.

Pandya in odi as a batsmen wipes the floor with Razzaq excluding a few knocks.

And as for the bowling, Razzaq played in a different era hence his numbers are slightly superior and even then only slightly.

The one ball era was a different time. If razzaq bowling wise had infinitely superior numbers then I'd agree but razzaq bowling in this era would be worse then Pandya lol
 
Bat avg of 28 and bowl avg of 37 in tests. Not good enough to make the team either as a batter or bowler.

Journeyman numbers in ODUs. Always cracked under pressure. Check WC stats.

Liability on the field. Dropped Sachin during the epic 2003 knock.
Whatever he has done in tests is better than Pandya who has already retired from tests.

Wake me up when Pandya scores 3 ofi hundreds or takes one fifer let alone 3.

He has a better bowling record than Pandya in odis, if he is a journeyman than so is Pandya.
 
The only thing Razzaq had over Pandya is that he's the better test player and in odi he has 3 hundreds overs 265 games but Hardick hasn't played anywhere close to that.

Plus Razzaq has one innings against SA that's superior to Pandya's career.

But that's irrelevant, Rohit has an innings of 258 that's superior to anything Sachin and Kohli has done but that doesn't mean Sachin is inferior to Rohit.

Pandya in odi as a batsmen wipes the floor with Razzaq excluding a few knocks.

And as for the bowling, Razzaq played in a different era hence his numbers are slightly superior and even then only slightly.

The one ball era was a different time. If razzaq bowling wise had infinitely superior numbers then I'd agree but razzaq bowling in this era would be worse then Pandya lol
Okay so the bowling numbers are inflated due to era but the same doesn’t apply in batting? If you are adjusting averages then do it for both the departments.

Razzaq started playing in the mid 90s, debuted in 1996 and had a str rate over 80 even in that decade when the likes of Inzi had 73 str rate, adjust his batting numbers and you will see they will be as good as Pandya if not better.

In tests Pandya has done nothing so by default Razzaq is better.

Not much to compare in t20s as they started late in his career (he is definitely an age fudger) but even there he has a great bowling record and is a wt20 winner with a memorable 3 wkt haul in the finals.
 
Razzaq was a bog average test player and comparing him with Pandya in test is pointless and waste of time.

Razzaq was excellent in ODIs while Pandya is average in ODIs( because he doesn't bowl much).

Pandya is an excellent t20i player, a format that doesn't matter much during Razzaq era.
 
Ability wise Razzi is light years ahead Pandya in bowling and about the same with the bat.

Pandya’s “successes” have predominantly been in t20 cricket. Razzi didn’t get a chance to play t20 at his peak.

Have no doubt he would have smashed t20s - he’s even more suited to t20 than Afridi is.

As I’ve said before - he had a very poor and lazy attitude - mainly due to trying to conserve himself. And yes it is his fault for not fulfilling his potential, but I have no doubt he would not be lazy in t20 cricket if he had a whole career of it and didn’t need to think about tests.

I’d like to see Pandya thrown in at the deep end in tests like razzi was.
 
Another example would be 5th Test between England and India (in England). Bumrah was the captain.

English batters were attacking and Bumrah had no answer (neither as a bowler nor as a captain).

Best way to deal with Bumrah is to attack his bowling.
Rizwan tried to do the same thing and we have seen the result out of it very recently
 
Another example would be 5th Test between England and India (in England). Bumrah was the captain.

English batters were attacking and Bumrah had no answer (neither as a bowler nor as a captain).

If I remember correctly, Bairstow and Root didn't attack Bumrah as much as they did the other bowlers.
 
He is not an educated man, but do not question Abdul Razzaq's capability as a cricketer, the guy was a match winner. He played to win games and was always the last hope in that batting line up, as long as Razzaq was at the crease there was always hope. He had the uncanny knack of taking wickets with the ball as well. A fit player for as long as he played.

Abdul Razzaq was never an intelligent cricketer, but whatever he lacked up there he more that made up with heart and skills. What one would do for a player of his calibre today. Down to earth, proud, focussed, what an all rounder. People judge him on the basis of stupid statements that the media hand picks to create news, do not let that cloud your judgement of one of the country's most versatile cricketers.
 
If ever the baby comparison was apt it would be between Pandya and Razzaq.

At the moment Pandya is a baby cricketer in front of Razzaq. Absolutely no doubts about it.

To put Pandya ahead of Razzaq is one of the most absurd things I've read.
 
Razzaq's ability with the ball was not lightyears ahead of Pandya's - that's a laughable take but sure everyone's entitled to their opinions.
 
Razzaq's ability with the ball was not lightyears ahead of Pandya's - that's a laughable take but sure everyone's entitled to their opinions.
Razzaq > Pandya in test.
Pandya > Razzaq in odi

^^ As batsmen.

Pandya >>>>>>> Razzaq as a bowler in any format though. People don't understand razzaq bowled in a different era where reverse swing was deadly due to the one ball rule. Pandya bowls in a rougher 2 balls era.
 
Razzaq > Pandya in test.
Pandya > Razzaq in odi

^^ As batsmen.

Pandya >>>>>>> Razzaq as a bowler in any format though. People don't understand razzaq bowled in a different era where reverse swing was deadly due to the one ball rule. Pandya bowls in a rougher 2 balls era.

Let's not even take that argument. Because even "great" bowlers of the past have questionable records then.

I genuinely think Azhar Mahmood and Razzaq were the 2 guys who made Pakistan a huge threat in the 1999 World Cup . More so than some of the hyped names like Wasim, Anwar, Saqlain and Akhtar.

They were both quality bowlers who also added batting depth.

No other team had a single bowling allrounder of that quality, let alone 2.


But this was a very short phase. Azhar was great in 99 and then mediocre for the rest of his career.

Razzaq was great for another year and then mediocre for the rest of his career.
 
Bumrah is playing in an era where most batters seem to be technically compromised. Pampered T20 hacks. Easy pickings for Bumrah.

Had he been playing in 90's or 2000's, I think he would've been just another Javagal Srinath.

I think Abdul Razzaq probably would've smashed Bumrah 7 out of 10 times. Not Just Abdul Razzaq but many other 90's batters probably.
 
There is no way we can say for sure that Razzaq would have destroyed Bumrah. Bumrah is a top-quality bowler and Razzaq was a good hitter so it would have been a fair contest
Razzaq on his day would hit out Bumrah, but those on his days would be very rare imo. For the most part Razzaq would get owned by Bumrah...

Bumrah owning Razzaq is nothing to write home about, as Razzaq was a below avg player...
 
Razzaq on his day would hit out Bumrah, but those on his days would be very rare imo. For the most part Razzaq would get owned by Bumrah...

Bumrah owning Razzaq is nothing to write home about, as Razzaq was a below avg player...
Yes. Not every time Razzaq can dominate a bowler like Bumrah. BUmrah would have the upper hand most of the time in today's era.
 
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