'Koi nahin janta tha Mahatma Gandhi ko…': PM Modi's big claim amid Lok Sabha election

[The Bald Eagle]

'Koi nahin janta tha Mahatma Gandhi ko…': PM Modi's big claim amid Lok Sabha election

Prime Minister and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Narendra Modi said in an interview that nobody knew Mahatma Gandhi— the Father of the Nation — in post-colonial India until a movie was made about him. The PM was talking about British director Richard Attenborough's Academy Award-winning 1982 magnum opus ‘Gandhi’.

During a pre-Lok Sabha Elections 2024 interview with a news channel, PM Modi had commented that Mahatma Gandhi was an eminent Indian, but the world was not aware of him. The PM further commented that it was the responsibility of Indian political leaders in the 75 years post-independence to ensure that the world was aware of the great leader.

In the video clip of the TV interview that has gone viral on social media, PM Modi suggests that Mahatma Gandhi's global recognition was significantly influenced by cinematic portrayals of his life and principles.

Flagging a 'durdasha' (sad state of affairs) in post-Independence India, PM Modi said that when the movie was made of Mahatma Gandhi, did the world get 'curious' about Gandhi?

PM Modi further emphasises that if Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela had been well-known figures worldwide, India should have 'worked' better to make Mahatma Gandhi a world-renowned figure. "Main duniya ghumne k baad ye kehe raha hoon, ki Gandhi ko tawajjo milni chahiye thi (After going around the world, I am saying that Mahatma Gandhi should have been made the focus of attention)

PM Modi, however, also claimed that Mahatma Gandhi had the 'solution to several problems in India'.

PM Modi also highlighted his redevelopment plan, which was announced in March 2024 on the anniversary of Dandi March. Earlier, PM Modi had launched a master plan for the Sabarmati Gandhi Ashram redevelopment project in Ahmedabad.

Modi emphasised his role as prime minister of India in the past 10 years by saying that he had created 'tirth sthan' (pilgrimage spots) for BR Ambedkar, the father of the Indian Constitution.

Gandhi – The movie

"Gandhi," an epic autobiography, was released in 1982. The movie chronicles the life of Mahatma Gandhi, a pivotal figure in India's struggle for independence from British colonial rule in the 20th century.

This epic biographical film, a collaborative effort between India and the United Kingdom, was directed and produced by Richard Attenborough. John Briley penned the screenplay. At its heart, the film showcases Ben Kingsley's remarkable portrayal of Gandhi.

Mahatma Gandhi
Born in Porbandar, Gujarat, in 1869, Mahatma Gandhi is an enduring symbol of leadership in India's quest for freedom. Renowned for his unwavering commitment to nonviolence and tireless advocacy for civil liberties, his legacy remains etched in the annals of history.

PM Modi's statements that went viral
Several of PM Modi's statements have gone viral amid the ongoing Lok Sabha Elections. These include him stating that after his mother's death, he felt that he was not a 'biological being' but one sent by God to fulfil divine wishes.

Hitting out at the Opposition, especially the Congress, PM Modi had said that they wanted to snatch the 'mangalsutra' of the Hindu women and distribute the gold among Muslims.

Source: Mint News

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Thank God he didn't say that India was discovered after America in 20th century and no East India Company ever came here @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @MP2011

 

[MP2011]

Thank God he didn't say that India was discovered after America in 20th century and no East India Company ever came here @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @MP2011

This is feku being feku, nothing more to add.

 

[JaDed]

Absolutely despise Mr. Gandhi and Modi showing his Gujarathi bias here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Absolutely despise Mr. Gandhi and Modi showing his Gujarathi bias here.

He is right somewhat. Post Independence many great leaders like Sardar Patel, Netaji, Baba Saheb and their legacy wasn't highlighted the same way as Nehru family's.

Gandhiji received far more limlight but even that dimmed in comparison to what Nehru family got.

 

[RexRex]

Absolutely despise Mr. Gandhi and Modi showing his Gujarathi bias here.

Why do u hate the Father of the Nation ?

 

[Human786]

that is what illiteracy & RSS Shaakha education does .
for comic relief , Modi & HIS Bapu /Mahatma :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795863206835138795

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do u hate the Father of the Nation ?

Many don't like Gandhiji. The entire HSRA wasn't fond of Gandhiji.

Netaji openly defied Gandhiji in congress.Gandhiji twice tried to defeat Netaji in Congress presidential election. But was unsuccessful.

Ultimately Netaji left Congress when Gandhiji forced congress to support the British during the 2nd WW. He also withdrew the Quit India movement (It was failing nonetheless)

Before that Jinnah had quit Congress and joined Muslim league.

Dr Hegdewar left Congress to form RSS.

 

[Human786]

Many don't like Gandhiji. The entire HSRA wasn't fond of Gandhiji.

Netaji openly defied Gandhiji in congress.Gandhiji twice tried to defeat Netaji in Congress presidential election. But was unsuccessful.

Ultimately Netaji left Congress when Gandhiji forced congress to support the British during the 2nd WW. He also withdrew the Quit India movement (It was failing nonetheless)

Before that Jinnah had quit Congress and joined Muslim league.

Dr Hegdewar left Congress to form RSS.

World disagrees .

 

[Champ_Pal]

Modi lives rent free in many of our neighbors minds. The obsession is real.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Many don't like Gandhiji. The entire HSRA wasn't fond of Gandhiji.

Netaji openly defied Gandhiji in congress.Gandhiji twice tried to defeat Netaji in Congress presidential election. But was unsuccessful.

Ultimately Netaji left Congress when Gandhiji forced congress to support the British during the 2nd WW. He also withdrew the Quit India movement (It was failing nonetheless)

Before that Jinnah had quit Congress and joined Muslim league.

Dr Hegdewar left Congress to form RSS.

Very unfortunate that Indians hate their father of the nation and some adore Godse

 

[JaDed]

Why do u hate the Father of the Nation ?

Lol he is not my father of the nation. Punjabis and Bengalis I doubt would like Gandhi.

 

[JaDed]

World disagrees .

The world is seeing what Gandhi’s nonviolence brings, destruction to Gaza.

West propagates Gandhi’s theories so they can remain ahead in modern warfare, absolutely stupid considering West has so many advanced tools of violence and yet propagates Gandhi lol.

 

[JaDed]

He is right somewhat. Post Independence many great leaders like Sardar Patel, Netaji, Baba Saheb and their legacy wasn't highlighted the same way as Nehru family's.

Gandhiji received far more limlight but even that dimmed in comparison to what Nehru family got.

Netaji was always famous his poster is a cornerstone childhood memory of mine, Sardar Patel didnt get limelight for long agreed there.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why do u hate the Father of the Nation ?

Most young Indians know the truth of Gandhi. He and Nehru set India for failure with their socialist policies instead of embracing modernity and industrialization.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

that is what illiteracy & RSS Shaakha education does .
for comic relief , Modi & HIS Bapu /Mahatma :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795863206835138795

Even Asaram Bapu is in jail for a rape case.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Most young Indians know the truth of Gandhi. He and Nehru set India for failure with their socialist policies instead of embracing modernity and industrialization.

Who told them?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Who told them?

Not Modi

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Who told them?

BJP & RSS board of Intermediate and Secondary Education

 

[Champ_Pal]

BJP & RSS board of Intermediate and Secondary Education

And you know this because you studied in India right?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Most young Indians know the truth of Gandhi. He and Nehru set India for failure with their socialist policies instead of embracing modernity and industrialization.

@Champ_Pal if i am not mistaken you praised Savarkar for uniting Hindus and you dislike Gandhi because he is one of the pioneers of Independence? Well if he is not the founding father then why is he still there on currency notes?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

And you know this because you studied in India right?

No, I got the news of it from Indian channels...You can also google them easily.

 

[Champ_Pal]

@Champ_Pal if i am not mistaken you praised Savarkar for uniting Hindus and you dislike Gandhi because he is one of the pioneers of Independence? Well if he is not the founding father then why is he still there on currency notes?

He is there because for 60 years his party of Chamchas were in power without much opposition. Even today Congress cannot get rid of the Gandhi obsession. Even if the person is a certified donkey, they keep pushing him to the forefront just because his surname is Gandhi.

Removing his weak face from the currency notes will only create further controversy. Anyway the world is moving to digital currency. The Notes will be history soon. Who cares whose face is on it a decade from now...

Coming to the founding father thing, Gandhi cleverly hijacked the freedom movement and thrusted himself to the forefront. His movements gained popularity and masses followed. There was no official coronation of Gandhi as the leader of the nation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

'Only an Entire Political Science student would…': Rahul Gandhi's dig at PM Modi's ‘nobody knew Mahatma Gandhi’ remark​

Rahul Gandhi took a jibe at Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his statement during a TV interview that the world was unaware of Mahatma Gandhi till before the Richard Attenborough 1982 movie, Gandhi. Taking to microblogging site X, Rahul Gandhi wrote, “Only a student of 'Entire Political Science' would need to watch the film to know about Mahatma Gandhi."

Rahul Gandhi's 'only a student of Entire Political Science' jibe referenced the Master of Arts degree certificate of PM Modi which shows that the prime minister completed his masters in “Entire Political Science".

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in a recent TV interview, stated that Mahatma Gandhi was unknown to the world until Ben Kingsley's Gandhi (1982) movie. The statement comes ahead of the last phase of the ongoing Lok Sabha Elections 2024.

Source: Live mint

 

[cricketjoshila]

World disagrees .

The world can say whatever it wants.

The world didn't have to work with him or face the consequences of his work. Indians did.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Netaji was always famous his poster is a cornerstone childhood memory of mine, Sardar Patel didnt get limelight for long agreed there.

Netaji was brushed under the carpet. He was revived after communists and Netajis Forward Block came to power in Bengal.

Babasaheb was brushed in similar fashion. He was revived in 70s-80s by the backward class movement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very unfortunate that Indians hate their father of the nation and some adore Godse

Many great leaders didn't agree with Gandhi. Entire HSRA, Netaji, Babasaheb and many others didn't see eye to eye with Gandhiji.

At the end of the day Gandhiji was a political leader and no political leader is above criticism.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Many great leaders didn't agree with Gandhi. Entire HSRA, Netaji, Babasaheb and many others didn't see eye to eye with Gandhiji.

At the end of the day Gandhiji was a political leader and no political leader is above criticism.

Subhas Chandra Bose was a great leader and if i am not wrong he was famous from the beginning, so Modi claim not true in my opinion. As guys like Gandhi, Bose, Azad were already famous before 1980s

 

[RexRex]

West propagates Gandhi’s theories so they can remain ahead in modern warfare, absolutely stupid considering West has so many advanced tools of violence and yet propagates Gandhi lol.

I wonder about that too. The West (CIA psyops?) might deliberatly be elevating symbols of peace in the third world like Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King. Very smart, if you're in their shoes. They wouldn't want these developing countries to look for revenge against their ex-colonial masters.

 

[JaDed]

I wonder about that too. The West (CIA psyops?) might deliberatly be elevating symbols of peace in the third world like Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King. Very smart, if you're in their shoes. They wouldn't want these developing countries to look for revenge against their ex-colonial masters.

They do this consistently everywhere. China saw through it, but not every country is lucky be homogenous like them.
I would never trust a speech that comes with “freedom, human rights, non-violence, peace” in them from the NATO nations.
Their hypocrisy is for everyone to see in Israel- Palestine, they create dialogue about gun laws but Americans and Canadians will never give up guns.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Most young Indians know the truth of Gandhi. He and Nehru set India for failure with their socialist policies instead of embracing modernity and industrialization.

Gandhiji had nothing to do with the economic policies of post independent India.

Subhas Chandra Bose was a great leader and if i am not wrong he was famous from the beginning, so Modi claim not true in my opinion. As guys like Gandhi, Bose, Azad were already famous before 1980s

Actually for a long time after Independence these leaders and their legacy was kept outside limelight.

Let me give an example

Bharat Ratna was awarded to Babasaheb in 1990 by a non congress government. Sardar Patel was awarded in 1991. Unnecessary controversy was created in case of Netaji Subhash to deny him the Bharat Ratna.

No one from HSRA has got it.

Nehru awarded himself the Bharat Ratna. Indira did the same. Many of their supporters got Bharat Ratna while the above mentioned leaders were denied.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They do this consistently everywhere. China saw through it, but not every country is lucky be homogenous like them.
I would never trust a speech that comes with “freedom, human rights, non-violence, peace” in them from the NATO nations.
Their hypocrisy is for everyone to see in Israel- Palestine, they create dialogue about gun laws but Americans and Canadians will never give up guns.

Couple of years back, western media led by FT attacked Modi for installing Netajis statue at Kartavya path.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Modi is getting a lot of flack here, but he may be right.

British India/ Partition is central to our lives, but the rest of the world doesn't really care about it, nor does the education system in the UK discuss it at any great length. These figures, Gandhi, Nehru, and Jinnah, dominate our discussions, but they are mainly unknown in the rest of the world. Nothing really wrong with what Modi said. It's highly likely that an Oscar-winning epic movie made him more well-known- in the same way people now know about other historical figures through movies ( even figures like Oppenheimer).

We know about MLK and Mandela because Western media dominates the rest of the world. Most of us know more details of US Civil rights figures than we do our own heroes because of the way American media penetrates every home.


As I have grown older, my respect for Gandhi's views has increased. He was a truly saintly man ( of course, nobody is perfect) whose love for ALL of his people and ALL of his soil resulted in him making many sacrifices.

 

[MP2011]

'Only an Entire Political Science student would…': Rahul Gandhi's dig at PM Modi's ‘nobody knew Mahatma Gandhi’ remark​

Rahul Gandhi took a jibe at Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his statement during a TV interview that the world was unaware of Mahatma Gandhi till before the Richard Attenborough 1982 movie, Gandhi. Taking to microblogging site X, Rahul Gandhi wrote, “Only a student of 'Entire Political Science' would need to watch the film to know about Mahatma Gandhi."

Rahul Gandhi's 'only a student of Entire Political Science' jibe referenced the Master of Arts degree certificate of PM Modi which shows that the prime minister completed his masters in “Entire Political Science".

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in a recent TV interview, stated that Mahatma Gandhi was unknown to the world until Ben Kingsley's Gandhi (1982) movie. The statement comes ahead of the last phase of the ongoing Lok Sabha Elections 2024.

Source: Live mint

Thats why it pays to be educated which most sanghis aren't.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Nehru awarded himself the Bharat Ratna. Indira did the same. Many of their supporters got Bharat Ratna while the above mentioned leaders were denied.

lol..

Nehru was the biggest Numnut India ever produced.....

Only positive about Nehru was it led to the birth of our mahaan leader Puppu, who will become the PM next week..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thats why it pays to be educated which most sanghis aren't.

Correct, like our Harvard drop out Puppu...

 

[RexRex]

lol..

Nehru was the biggest Numnut India ever produced.....

If Nehru wasn't there, India would've been an even more chaotic banana republic than it currently is. A proper jungle raj.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If Nehru wasn't there, India would've been an even more chaotic banana republic than it currently is. A proper jungle raj.

Yeah, ok Mr inspector Rex

 

[RexRex]

Nehru awarded himself the Bharat Ratna. Indira did the same. Many of their supporters got Bharat Ratna while the above mentioned leaders were denied.

That's a popular misconception. The president awarded the Bharat Ratna to Nehru suo motto, not on the advice of the cabinet. Newspapers at the time reported it as such.

 

[Technics 1210]

Is this why RSS winger Godse assassinated Ghandi, and was then revered within Hindutva?

The first act of saffron terror was the assassination of Ghandi.

Let Modi spin this fact.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As I have grown older, my respect for Gandhi's views has increased. He was a truly saintly man ( of course, nobody is perfect) whose love for ALL of his people and ALL of his soil resulted in him making many sacrifices.

I have mixed feelings about Gandhi. While I admire his character, I also can understand the backlash against him. He is much admired by the Brits because he chose a non-violent path, and the Brits generally prefer their subjects to be so. The film cemented the views that Indians although they can be prone to chaos, they also have a very spiritual essence which has been reflected in their traditionally veggie diet.

Brits enjoyed this version of Indians, they were seen as more compliant, and even when they come as immigrant they are seen as less troublesome and more easily assimilated into British society as a result. While many current day Indians resent this depiction as being a soft touch, it is also one of the reasons for Indian progress both at home and abroad.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have mixed feelings about Gandhi. While I admire his character, I also can understand the backlash against him. He is much admired by the Brits because he chose a non-violent path, and the Brits generally prefer their subjects to be so. The film cemented the views that Indians although they can be prone to chaos, they also have a very spiritual essence which has been reflected in their traditionally veggie diet.

Brits enjoyed this version of Indians, they were seen as more compliant, and even when they come as immigrant they are seen as less troublesome and more easily assimilated into British society as a result. While many current day Indians resent this depiction as being a soft touch, it is also one of the reasons for Indian progress both at home and abroad.

It had an effect at the time.

Indians were probably considered subhuman by the majority of Brits and certainly lesser beings than the ruling class. They couldn't trust these people to rule themselves.

Now, amidst the chaos of WW2 and white Europeans ( mainly) blowing each other up, there was this slim spiritual fellow willing to face down bullets with nothing but his robe and spirituality. He was operating on a higher spiritual and moral plane than the civilised people.

It must have had an impact of sorts and was an important tool in the independence struggle.

I think Indians played up to the image you mentioned just as much as the brits enjoyed it. I remember debates where they lamented the lack of a mahatma figure in the Muslims of India ( or Muslims in general). Their psyche has changed in recent 5-10 years now they want to put Gandhi in the bin, blame him for all the faults of India and flex their muscles infront of the world. Their opinion is that had this current bunch of Indians been alive they would have smashed the mughals, brits etc without the need for a Gandhi, and Hindus would have ruled the world.

 

[Romali_rotti]

, and Hindus would have ruled the world.

This is where I have to correct you.

Indian Hindus do not invade or have ambitions of conquering the world, its not in their DNA. They want to be in charge of what is theirs' at least now anyway...

 

[Hitman]

This is where I have to correct you.

Indian Hindus do not invade or have ambitions of conquering the world, its not in their DNA. They want to be in charge of what is theirs' at least now anyway...

Unlike some other blood sucking parasites in history. Errr ... the thieves from UK in the past being prime examples. Did I miss any other blood sucking bunch of parasites?

 

[jaisan]

Many don't like Gandhiji. The entire HSRA wasn't fond of Gandhiji.

Netaji openly defied Gandhiji in congress.Gandhiji twice tried to defeat Netaji in Congress presidential election. But was unsuccessful.

Ultimately Netaji left Congress when Gandhiji forced congress to support the British during the 2nd WW. He also withdrew the Quit India movement (It was failing nonetheless)

Before that Jinnah had quit Congress and joined Muslim league.

Dr Hegdewar left Congress to form RSS.

hsra believed in armed rebellion.no wonder they hated gandhiji.

 

[jaisan]

He is there because for 60 years his party of Chamchas were in power without much opposition. Even today Congress cannot get rid of the Gandhi obsession. Even if the person is a certified donkey, they keep pushing him to the forefront just because his surname is Gandhi.

Removing his weak face from the currency notes will only create further controversy. Anyway the world is moving to digital currency. The Notes will be history soon. Who cares whose face is on it a decade from now...

Coming to the founding father thing, Gandhi cleverly hijacked the freedom movement and thrusted himself to the forefront. His movements gained popularity and masses followed. There was no official coronation of Gandhi as the leader of the nation.

gandhi was the defacto leader of the freedom movement because only he could bring The mass no of people into the movement .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is where I have to correct you.

Indian Hindus do not invade or have ambitions of conquering the world, its not in their DNA. They want to be in charge of what is theirs' at least now anyway...

Did Hindu kings invade other territories and empires? Yes of course. Constantly and all the time.
Hindu invasions at some point must surely be in the DNA if all through history there have been wars and conflicts. We see things like Akhand Bharat etc championed regularly.

But I will take your word for it since you know better in this regard and stand corrected.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Did Hindu kings invade other territories and empires? Yes of course. Constantly and all the time.
Hindu invasions at some point must surely be in the DNA if all through history there have been wars and conflicts. We see things like Akhand Bharat etc championed regularly.

But I will take your word for it since you know better in this regard and stand corrected.

I am not sure if there has been something called a Hindu invasion ? the Indian subcontinent area was almost completely Hindu for 1000s of years. Hinduism itself could lay the claim for the oldest religion in the world.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am not sure if there has been something called a Hindu invasion ? the Indian subcontinent area was almost completely Hindu for 1000s of years. Hinduism itself could lay the claim for the oldest religion in the world.

When rival kingdoms invaded, built temples and looted temples what can we call it?

You are looking from a modern post aug 1947 lens. But historically there have been several rival kingdoms pillaging and raping etc. Modern India has cleverly considered them all as non-outsiders, but historically, this wasn't the case.

 

[Technics 1210]

It was proven the Hindu rioters in Leicester were all freshie immigrants fleeing 'incredible' India.

 

[MP2011]

That's a popular misconception. The president awarded the Bharat Ratna to Nehru suo motto, not on the advice of the cabinet. Newspapers at the time reported it as such.

Trust andhbhakts to lie.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was proven the Hindu rioters in Leicester were all freshie immigrants fleeing 'incredible' India.

Even then they can only riot in areas where they are the huge majority. Bringing their riots against minority culture from back home in Gujarat I expect.

 

[Technics 1210]

Even then they can only riot in areas where they are the huge majority. Bringing their riots against minority culture from back home in Gujarat I expect.

The fact no British born Hindu had incited any violence just goes to proves that RSS Hindutva is an imported terrorist ideology that has infiltrated the UK.

 

[Romali_rotti]

When rival kingdoms invaded, built temples and looted temples what can we call it?

You are looking from a modern post aug 1947 lens. But historically there have been several rival kingdoms pillaging and raping etc. Modern India has cleverly considered them all as non-outsiders, but historically, this wasn't the case.

I should have been more clearer.

In my mindset an invasion is a foreign religion or ethnicity of people that goes to a land that is alien to them, invades it and enforces their beliefs/practices onto the ethnics of the conquered land.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Warning:

Guys let's stick to the topic and avoid discussing immigration or immigrants in this thread

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Errr .... what is worse, that or London bombings?

Are you suggesting that London bombers were representative of mainstream Muslims? Because then you might have to ponder that British Indians (maybe from Leicester) are prone to murdering their wives on holiday trips to South Africa so they can pursue homosexual relations with their boyfriends.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I should have been more clearer.

In my mindset an invasion is a foreign religion or ethnicity of people that goes to a land that is alien to them, invades it and enforces their beliefs/practices onto the ethnics of the conquered land.

When rival hindu kingdoms came and looted each other, the victims cried and were in tears at losing their possessions and family members.

They didn't think that in 2024, they would all be part of the Republic of India, so nothing really happened.

 

[Hitman]

Are you suggesting that London bombers were representative of mainstream Muslims? Because then you might have to ponder that British Indians (maybe from Leicester) are prone to murdering their wives on holiday trips to South Africa so they can pursue homosexual relations with their boyfriends.

No, what I meant is that's what Pakistani immiggrants are known for. They go to foreign countries for a better living, and then instead of being grateful, they end up committing terrorism. Always remember, changing nationality does not change DNA and habits. Violence, murder and terrorism are in the blood of some people.​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, what I meant is that's what Pakistani immiggrants are known for. They go to foreign countries for a better living, and then instead of being grateful, they end up committing terrorism. Always remember, changing nationality does not change DNA and habits. Violence, murder and terrorism are in the blood of some people.​

So your contention is that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism? That is probably more a hindutva mindset, most terrorists are not Pakistani, your jumping to such conclusions is your innate prejudice showing. For my part I refuse to take part in such petty slurs so I won't presume all Indians are wife murdering homosexuals.

 

[Hitman]

So your contention is that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism? That is probably more a hindutva mindset, most terrorists are not Pakistani, your jumping to such conclusions is your innate prejudice showing. For my part I refuse to take part in such petty slurs so I won't presume all Indians are wife murdering homosexuals.

Cough .... 52 people died and 784 were injured in the London Bombings. Now try comparing that with whatever you want to bring up.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No, what I meant is that's what Pakistani immiggrants are known for. They go to foreign countries for a better living, and then instead of being grateful, they end up committing terrorism. Always remember, changing nationality does not change DNA and habits. Violence, murder and terrorism are in the blood of some people.​

No "people" has violence, murder and terrorism in their blood.

Your frequent attempts to dehumanise Muslims to justify your lust for their blood are becoming quite deranged.

People can choose to commit awful acts, but there is no community of God's creation on earth that is naturally wired or predisposed to do so.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's a popular misconception. The president awarded the Bharat Ratna to Nehru suo motto, not on the advice of the cabinet. Newspapers at the time reported it as such.

Ofcourse the newspapers reported what they were told to report.

The President acts on the advise of the cabinet. He cannot act suo moto except in exceptional circumstances like returning or witholding a bill.

Suo moto. Lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

hsra believed in armed rebellion.no wonder they hated gandhiji.

And why was it wrong?

 

[cricketjoshila]

gandhi was the defacto leader of the freedom movement because only he could bring The mass no of people into the movement .

Incorrect. Gandhi twice tried to get Netaji defeated in Congress elections and failed.

Jinnah was the undisputed leader of Muslims and it was proven when congress lost most of the muslim reserved seats in the last elections under British rule.


He wasnt what he is portrayed to be.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No "people" has violence, murder and terrorism in their blood.

Your frequent attempts to dehumanise Muslims to justify your lust for their blood are becoming quite deranged.

People can choose to commit awful acts, but there is no community of God's creation on earth that is naturally wired or predisposed to do so.

But Muslims are found to be regularly brain washed to commit senseless acts of violence around the world.

Is it because the larger community isn't pushing back strongly enough to stop this radicalization?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

But Muslims are found to be regularly brain washed to commit senseless acts of violence around the world.

Is it because the larger community isn't pushing back strongly enough to stop this radicalization?

That is your perception and is a perception based around the last 20 years or so.

For much of the world's population, their perception is different when they are subjected to US-made bombs from the sky at their wedding parties or children's birthdays, for example.

Go back even further, Europeans were blowing each other up and enslaving browns and blacks across the world.

You can get your calculator and add up all the innocents killed by different nations in the past 100 years, and you will see who is regularly committing senseless acts of violence.

But when you approach these topics making dehumanizing statements its clear why these senseless acts of violence are a big deal to some people, but murder on a mass scale unparalleled in human history is ok ( and it can be inferred probably deserved)

Thats why some people seem inclined to believe some people have violence in their blood or DNA.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That is your perception and is a perception based around the last 20 years or so.

For much of the world's population, their perception is different when they are subjected to US-made bombs from the sky at their wedding parties or children's birthdays, for example.

Go back even further, Europeans were blowing each other up and enslaving browns and blacks across the world.

You can get your calculator and add up all the innocents killed by different nations in the past 100 years, and you will see who is regularly committing senseless acts of violence.

But when you approach these topics making dehumanizing statements its clear why these senseless acts of violence are a big deal to some people, but murder on a mass scale unparalleled in human history is ok ( and it can be inferred probably deserved)

Thats why some people seem inclined to believe some people have violence in their blood or DNA.

How do you think european colonial rulers are viewed in their former colonies? Are they not regularly criticized for it?

People will ofcourse relate more to what is happening today and in recent past.

I don't believe anyone has a DNA of violence but i do believe Muslims are getting radicalized because the larger community isn't doing enough to push back. Rather we see them justifying such acts many times.

 

[FearlessRoar]

No, what I meant is that's what Pakistani immiggrants are known for. They go to foreign countries for a better living, and then instead of being grateful, they end up committing terrorism. Always remember, changing nationality does not change DNA and habits. Violence, murder and terrorism are in the blood of some people.​

And do Indian immigrants move to Europe to endure a worse living situation?

 

[Hitman]

And do Indian immigrants move to Europe to endure a worse living situation?

Not a single poster of Indian origin being citizens of foreign countries try dehumanising Pakistanis based on their first world passport.​

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How do you think european colonial rulers are viewed in their former colonies? Are they not regularly criticized for it?

People will ofcourse relate more to what is happening today and in recent past.

I don't believe anyone has a DNA of violence but i do believe Muslims are getting radicalized because the larger community isn't doing enough to push back. Rather we see them justifying such acts many times.

Just like we see you justifying many acts that are against Muslims on a daily basis.

You are entitled to hold whatever opinion you like on why Muslims may get radicalised, they are all valid and worthy of debate.

My main point of contention was that nobody has DNA of violence but we are in agreement on this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cough .... 52 people died and 784 were injured in the London Bombings. Now try comparing that with whatever you want to bring up.

It was a simple enough question, just a yes or no would have done, but instead you managed to find type out a cough instead?

Let me ask you again in case you lost your train of thought while coughing:

So your contention is that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism?

 

[Hitman]

It was a simple enough question, just a yes or no would have done, but instead you managed to find type out a cough instead?

Let me ask you again in case you lost your train of thought while coughing:

So your contention is that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism?

I don't want to run the risk of losing my rights to post on PP. I think you've got your answer.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't want to run the risk of losing my rights to post on PP. I think you've got your answer.

Another dumb statement. If you were going to lose your rights for claiming that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism, you'd already have been banned because you've posted that earlier.

You just made a ludicrous statement and are too filled with misplaced jingoism to retract it.

 

[Hitman]

Another dumb statement. If you were going to lose your rights for claiming that Pakistani immigrants are known for terrorism, you'd already have been banned because you've posted that earlier.

You just made a ludicrous statement and are too filled with misplaced jingoism to retract it.

Alright, I made a dumb statement. Happy?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Alright, I made a dumb statement. Happy?

It's not something to be happy about but retracting it was the right thing to do. But it is informative how easily a narrative can be built up against any minority community playing dog whistle politics. You may not have even realised you were being pulled along with the current as it is drip fed through the media.

 

[Human786]

It's not something to be happy about but retracting it was the right thing to do. But it is informative how easily a narrative can be built up against any minority community playing dog whistle politics. You may not have even realised you were being pulled along with the current as it is drip fed through the media.

you nailed it Rish

 

[JaDed]

Armed rebellion would had thrown Brits off quicker, numerous Indians died for a war they had nothing to gain.

Gandhi supporting British in world wars is unforgivable, his entire history is of mistakes of how not to get independence.
West would keep propagating peace to third world countries so to dominate them.

 

[Human786]

Armed rebellion would had thrown Brits off quicker, numerous Indians died for a war they had nothing to gain.

Gandhi supporting British in world wars is unforgivable, his entire history is of mistakes of how not to get independence.
West would keep propagating peace to third world countries so to dominate them.

off topic - your thoughts about Godse & Sorry Savarkar ?

 

[JaDed]

off topic - your thoughts about Godse & Sorry Savarkar ?

Godse was wrong, Savarkar did what he did after formation of Muslim
League.