Labour leadership: Result will be announced on 4 April [Post #1698]

[barah_admi]

I don’t know about taking insult but I would avoid that stereotype. I made pretty much your comment to a Jewish lady, praising her people for their success. She immediately countered with “So does your classic WASP always succeed too?” I could have commented that I’m not all Anglo-Saxon, but her satire was accurate in that I had made a broad unquantified generalisation.

I never said they were all rich or all anti socialist, however, many of them are, it is a plain fact backed up by several stats but you don't quite like facts.

 

[R3verse Swing]

What is more disheartening in this thread above all is how the Zionist propaganda has cast a veil upon the hearts of the so called intelligent.

 

[R3verse Swing]

But it is also a generalised term that can also be used as a dog whistle for racists and is therefore easily misunderstood, so for that reason I would avoid it altogether.

‘Soros’ is another example of a dog whistle which I heard on the march the other day. It was made by fascists who implied that the marchers were useful idiots for the alleged ‘International Jewish Conspiracy’.

[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] sums this up better than I further up.

But does this mean you agree Zionism is a political movement or not?

 

[Robert]

But does this mean you agree Zionism is a political movement or not?

I wouldn’t aggregate various stands of support for the state of Israel into one movement. There’s no Illuminati, there’s no International Jewish Banking Conspiracy. I think there are loosely affiliated groups who support the state of Israel such as the US fundamentalist churches.

 

[James]

I wouldn’t aggregate various stands of support for the state of Israel into one movement. There’s no Illuminati, there’s no International Jewish Banking Conspiracy. I think there are loosely affiliated groups who support the state of Israel such as the US fundamentalist churches.

I disagree, there are numerous international and Israel-based Zionist movements which encourages smaller and otherwise unaffiliated groups to join together under the Zionist banner. Zionism also has a clear mission statement and universally agreed upon definition. So I would say that it is a number of movements all aiming for the same goal (although they do differ in terms of a one-state or two-state solution and how to get there).

 

[Robert]

I wouldn’t consider this fact to be antisemitic. I also wouldn’t go around talking to Jews about it in case it was taken the wrong way - but let’s be honest, as a community they have done extremely well and this should be recognised.

I certainly learned my lesson not to make generalisations about a race.

 

[Robert]

I disagree, there are numerous international and Israel-based Zionist movements which encourages smaller and otherwise unaffiliated groups to join together under the Zionist banner. Zionism also has a clear mission statement and universally agreed upon definition. So I would say that it is a number of movements all aiming for the same goal (although they do differ in terms of a one-state or two-state solution and how to get there).

A number of movements have the same mission statement, but different goals? Doesn’t make sense.... what is the common mission statement?

 

[James]

I certainly learned my lesson not to make generalisations about a race.

Jews aren’t a race though, regardless of what some (nowhere near all) Jews claim. This would be impossible given that anyone of any racial, ethnic, national or cultural background can convert to Judaism (confirmed by all strands of Jewish law).

There are many ethnic communities of Jews such as American Jews, Ashkenazi (Roman-European) Jews, Sephardi (Iberian) Jews and Beta Israel (Ethiopian) Jews.

What it is more accurate to say is that there is a diverse Jewish diaspora.

Jews come in all shapes, sizes, appearances, colours and creeds. The only thing they have in common is that they follow the religion of Judaism.

 

[James]

A number of movements have the same mission statement, but different goals? Doesn’t make sense.... what is the common mission statement?

To establish a permanent, noncontroversial and politically untouchable nation-state for the world’s Jews, that all Jews can become citizens of if they so wish. That has not been achieved yet, hence the Zionist movement actively exists.

 

[irfan]

Jews aren’t a race though, regardless of what some (nowhere near all) Jews claim. This would be impossible given that anyone of any racial, ethnic, national or cultural background can convert to Judaism (confirmed by all strands of Jewish law).

There are many ethnic communities of Jews such as American Jews, Ashkenazi (Roman-European) Jews, Sephardi (Iberian) Jews and Beta Israel (Ethiopian) Jews.

What it is more accurate to say is that there is a diverse Jewish diaspora.

Jews come in all shapes, sizes, appearances, colours and creeds. The only thing they have in common is that they follow the religion of Judaism.

You can be a Jew without following Judaism as many atheist Jews have pointed out to me, as they say it is an ethnicity/tribe, they could even convert to Christianity and Islam etc but they would still remain a Jew. Bonkers to me but that's what they tell me.

 

[James]

You can be a Jew without following Judaism as many atheist Jews have pointed out to me, as they say it is an ethnicity/tribe, they could even convert to Christianity and Islam etc but they would still remain a Jew. Bonkers to me but that's what they tell me.

Depends on whether they are from Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Liberal or Reconstructionist background. But yes that is the view of some Jews.

 

[Robert]

To establish a permanent, noncontroversial and politically untouchable nation-state for the world’s Jews, that all Jews can become citizens of if they so wish. That has not been achieved yet, hence the Zionist movement actively exists.

Thanks.

What do you mean by politically untouchable?

 

[James]

Thanks.

What do you mean by politically untouchable?

Not like it is now i.e. its very existence is constantly up for debate and it has an unofficial capital city because the real capital city is disputed territory. Zionists either claim the whole of the “Land of Israel” in extreme cases, or alternative some Zionists will gladly give portions of “Israel” to the Palestinians as long as they get to keep the whole of Jerusalem. This latter point has been at a lethal impasse for decades.

 

[s28]

New polling data has come to light which actually shows that 'antisemitic' attitudes in Labour have actually decreased under Corbyn

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/03/29/ex...-significantly-less-antisemitic-under-corbyn/

 

[Robert]

Not like it is now i.e. its very existence is constantly up for debate and it has an unofficial capital city because the real capital city is disputed territory. Zionists either claim the whole of the “Land of Israel” in extreme cases, or alternative some Zionists will gladly give portions of “Israel” to the Palestinians as long as they get to keep the whole of Jerusalem. This latter point has been at a lethal impasse for decades.

Ah, as in some people calling it a counterfeit state, despite UN recognition of certain boundary lines.

You have plainly given this a lot of thought. I am rather impressed.

 

[James]

Ah, as in some people calling it a counterfeit state, despite UN recognition of certain boundary lines.

You have plainly given this a lot of thought. I am rather impressed.

Interested in the topic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

To these eyes you have made the sort of generalisation that Islamophobes like to make about Islam, about taqqiya and population takeover and Sharia enforcement and dhimmi and so on.

I think the biggest threats to the world are climate change and nuclear war.

I have no idea what you mean . What I have stated is no generalisation but facts and accepted viewpoints.

You have mentioned Taqqiya in return which isnt even mainstream Islamic thought.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You can be a Jew without following Judaism as many atheist Jews have pointed out to me, as they say it is an ethnicity/tribe, they could even convert to Christianity and Islam etc but they would still remain a Jew. Bonkers to me but that's what they tell me.

Thats all nonsense regardless what they say.

A Jew is someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There are black Jews and white Jews, do you really believe both are the same race?

 

[Robert]

I have no idea what you mean . What I have stated is no generalisation but facts and accepted viewpoints.

You have mentioned Taqqiya in return which isnt even mainstream Islamic thought.

I am not talking about Islam.

I drew a comparison between your statement about Zionism being the biggest threat to the world today, and Islamophobes, who have accepted viewpoints too - to other Islamophobes - and believe that Islam is the biggest threat to the world today.

I seek to pare away the distortions and hyperbole around both these ideas.

 

[Robert]

Thats all nonsense regardless what they say.

A Jew is someone who follows the religion of Judaism. There are black Jews and white Jews, do you really believe both are the same race?

HM Gov categorises Jews as an ethnic minority.

 

[Yossarian]

HM Gov categorises Jews as an ethnic minority.

Correct. And that's why when someone non-Jewish converts to Judaism and becomes a Jew, they undergo a miracle of nature and change their ethnicity/race in the eyes of UK law. Makes one wonder how/who persuaded the UK Parliament to incorporate this miracle of nature into UK legislation. (same goes for Sikhs).

 

[James]

Correct. And that's why when someone non-Jewish converts to Judaism and becomes a Jew, they undergo a miracle of nature and change their ethnicity/race in the eyes of UK law. Makes one wonder how/who persuaded the UK Parliament to incorporate this miracle of nature into UK legislation. (same goes for Sikhs).

Yep, you’d think that an overnight DNA transplant would be a slightly trickier breakthrough to achieve in human medicine. Apparently not. According to English law, immersing yourself in a pool of water will suffice.

(I would add that many Jews do not view their being a Jew as a matter of race.)

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not talking about Islam.

I drew a comparison between your statement about Zionism being the biggest threat to the world today, and Islamophobes, who have accepted viewpoints too - to other Islamophobes - and believe that Islam is the biggest threat to the world today.

I seek to pare away the distortions and hyperbole around both these ideas.

Zionism is the biggest threat in terms of a political entity. Zionists control the US government, Nato, European governments and its due to them the middle east has seen millions of people killed, nations destoryed. They are now wanting more wars with Syria and Iran, knowing this will involve Russia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

HM Gov categorises Jews as an ethnic minority.

So? Do you live your life just following government views or do you use your own mind to determine what is correct or not?

 

[Robert]

So? Do you live your life just following government views or do you use your own mind to determine what is correct or not?

I follow the Equality Act 2010. I suggest that you do too.

 

[Robert]

Yep, you’d think that an overnight DNA transplant would be a slightly trickier breakthrough to achieve in human medicine. Apparently not. According to English law, immersing yourself in a pool of water will suffice.

(I would add that many Jews do not view their being a Jew as a matter of race.)

Since there is no biological evidence for “race” - the genetic difference is negligible and accounts only for diversity within the species - I would argue that race is a social construct like religion.

 

[James]

Since there is no biological evidence for “race” - the genetic difference is negligible and accounts only for diversity within the species - I would argue that race is a social construct like religion.

That’s one way of looking at it, definitely. The Big W sums it up well:

“A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as inherently distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.”

 

[Robert]

Big W ?

 

[James]

Wikipedia

 

[Gabbar Singh]

LOL

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...ture-of-jeremy-corbyn-next-to-hitler-11310726

 

[Robert]

What is Lord Sugar doing here, comparing Corbyn to Hindenburg for sharing a platform with some very nasty people and turning a blind eye?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

At a time when Labour should be capitalising on the differences within the Tory party they are instead fighting each other over antisemitism and other issues. )

 

[Markhor]

Wonder where the media/right wing/Blairite outrage is regarding the Board of Deputies' statement on the killing of unarmed Palestinian protesters in the Right of Return rally.

Essentially blamed the victims.

 

[Yossarian]

And now Corbyn is being attacked again as being anti-Semitic ......for ....wait for it ..... attending a Jewish religious even organised by a Jewish group!

Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for attending a Passover event with a leftwing Jewish group highly critical of mainstream Jewish communal bodies, including describing the protests against the Labour leader as “faux-outrage greased with hypocrisy and opportunism”.

The Jewish comedians David Baddiel and David Schneider said MPs and others should not immediately dismiss Jewdas.

“They are just Jews who disagree with other Jews ... To make out that it’s somehow antisemitic for him to spend Seder with them just because they’re far left is balls,” Baddiel wrote on Twitter.

Schneider tweeted: “‘Boo! Corbyn needs to get out and meets some Jews!’ (Corbyn spends Passover with some Jews at Jewdas) ‘Boo! Not those Jews!’”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ponsible-after-attending-radical-jewish-event

 

[James]

A ludicrous scenario, however my opinion is that it was really bad timing for Jeremy to risk stoking the fire in any way after the week that the Labour Party has had. He is beginning to remind me of Ned Stark: the decent and honest man who plays the game of thrones, but is unable to win it because he is too decent and too honest. Even Momentum who have been Jeremy’s biggest supporters are now saying that the Party has an unconscious bias issue regarding the Jewish community. So although he did not do anything wrong, it was not smart, and the explanation by Labour that it was not in the work diary and in his personal time is just not good enough. In his job position, the eyes of the nation are on him 24/7 - that is what politicians sign up for - and he is far too prominent a public figure to be expecting to get away with such an excuse.

 

[Robert]

He's never been smart about whom he shares a platform with. He naturally sides aganst people protesting against power such as Mear One, but he should cast a more critical eye on those people and consider whether he is going to get hurt by association.

 

[s28]

What a con job. Corbyn is anti jew err because he goes to a Seder organised by Jews...

If you wanted confirmation we live in completely crooked Orwellian times just marvel at the ** being spouted here.

The psychopaths in charge are so drunk on power and convinced of their own invincibility they are overplaying their hand. This will come crashing down on them at some point.

Jewdas the supposed fringe group today increased their Twitter following above that of the Board of Deputies of British Jews (read Zionists) who had claimed Jewdas were not 'mainstream' or 'representative

Jewdas are a left wing kick posterior type outfit more in tune with younger Jews who have righteous and deserved contempt for the Zionist State In Levant(ZSIL)

 

[s28]

Petition Against AS Witchhunt

https://www.change.org/p/labour-aga...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

Initial signatories include:

Moshé Machover, Israeli socialist and co-founder of Matzpen
Jackie Walker, chair of Labour Against the Witchhunt (and ex vice-chair of Momentum)
Noam Chomsky, author
Asa Winstanley, investigative journalist
Mick Brooks, political secretary, Labour Representation Committee
Deborah Hobson and Hassan Ahmed, co-chairs Grassroots Black Left
Mike Cushman, chair Free Speech on Israel
Lee Rock, Sheffield Labour Left List
Graham Bash
Pete Firmin
Suzanne Gannon
Ian Malcolm-Walker
Keith Henderson
Louise Reecejones
Patrick Hall
Chris Knight

 

[s28]

https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileS...say-who-are-good-jews-not-even-jews-1.5976112

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Labour have a new supporter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IF he sticks to his guns then for 1st time in my life I will vote <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Labour?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Labour</a> - right now NOTHING is more important than resisting the psychotic rush to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WW3?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WW3</a> of Boris & the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/neocons?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#neocons</a> Corbyn refuses to blame Assad for chemical attack in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Syria?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Syria</a> <a href="https://t.co/ifxqeFlqvd">https://t.co/ifxqeFlqvd</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/MailOnline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MailOnline</a></p>— Nick Griffin (@NickGriffinBU) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickGriffinBU/status/983356106020880385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Robert]

Not the sort of help he is looking for.

 

[s28]

Establishment throwing everything they can at Corbyn but I suspect Labour will be polling 50% soon

The guy is PM in waiting

 

[Adijazz1706]

If you can get someone notoriously anti voting like Russell Brand to vote for you, you've gotta be special

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If you can get someone notoriously anti voting like Russell Brand to vote for you, you've gotta be special

Indeed. It worked so well for Ed Miliband after all.


https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...rand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried

 

[Adijazz1706]

Indeed. It worked so well for Ed Miliband after all.


https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...rand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried

I didn't say Corbyn will win though. I'm eternally grateful for Ed voting against war in Syria, could be WW3 that one.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I didn't say Corbyn will win though. I'm eternally grateful for Ed voting against war in Syria, could be WW3 that one.

Fair point. Ironically the Tories have over the past 12 months stolen a lot of Ed’s policies which they previously claimed were mad.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Meanwhile....

“Marc Wadsworth expelled from Labour over remarks at antisemitism event”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row

 

[Robert]

Meanwhile....

“Marc Wadsworth expelled from Labour over remarks at antisemitism event”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rth-expelled-from-party-over-antisemitism-row

Good to see that Labour are starting to grasp the nettle, an encouraging sign.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Has Peak Corbyn come and gone?

 

[Yossarian]

By 2020 it will be quite clear that all the reasons that Brexiteers voted for 'out' (immigration, paying in to the EU, European Court, not needing to follow EU rules in many areas etc) are not going to work out as they were told.

* EU immigration numbers will not be cut - not if the NHS, Nursing homes and home care providers are going to keep on functioning, not if the restaurants and holiday venues are going to keep on satisfying their customers, not if the East Anglian farmers are going to have their summer crops picked and sent to supermarkets.

*There will need to be a 'Transition period' after 2019, lasting perhaps years, during which we will have to keep on paying into the EU and be subject to the European Court.

* If Britain wishes to keep on selling goods and services into the EU, then these goods and services will have to comply with EU rules.

Basically, the only thing that will change is the UK government not sitting at the decision making table of the EU. That and the fact that prices will go up (due to £ going down, plus reduced trade due to tariffs and additional red tape at ports trading with the EU).

Britain might be in the middle of a great big recession by then - all due to Brexiteers, with the Tories getting the blame for the whole mess.

A week is a long time in politics. By 2020 the Tories may have nowhere to hide.

Corbyn just has to sit tight, survive the back stabbing from the Blairites, and wait for the realities of the ramifications of Brexit to become clearer to the Brexiteers, and then see the Tories disintegrate as a result and hand the election on a plate to the Corbynistas.

I posted the above 15 months ago. Should have been a clairvoyant!

 

[Robert]

Leave Tories switching to the Kippers will translate into how many lost seats, I wonder?

It depends when the GE is and how hard Brexit hurts us.

Interestingly, Labour appear to be heading for wipeout in Scotland - just one MP on current polling.

 

[Yossarian]

Leave Tories switching to the Kippers will translate into how many lost seats, I wonder?

It depends when the GE is and how hard Brexit hurts us.

Interestingly, Labour appear to be heading for wipeout in Scotland - just one MP on current polling.

I bumped up the thread primary for the points in the post #1410 above. Right now, how the Scots vote or whether the Tory voters switch to the Kippers is the last thing on the publics mind,

 

[James]

The Conservatives will probably cling onto government for a while yet, England south of Sheffield is massively biased towards the Tories and there are way too many safe blue seats. Labour need a relaunch in Scotland in order to compete.

 

[s28]

That isn't what Electoral Calculus says

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>LAB: 41% (+2)<br>CON: 36% (-1)<br>LDEM: 9% (-1)<br>UKIP: 7% (+1)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouGov</a>, 16 - 17 Jul<br>h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SamCoatesTimes</a><a href="https://t.co/Iw5S1Mz9ov">https://t.co/Iw5S1Mz9ov</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1019329326557384704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17 July 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Labour leads the Tories in our poll tracker by 1pt:<br><br>Lab: 39.3% (+0.4)<br>Con: 38.4% (-2.7)<br>LDem: 9.1% (+1.0)<br>UKIP: 5.5% (+2.2)<br>Grn: 3.1% (+0.1)<br><br>Chgs. w/ 05 Jul<br><br>See more: <a href="https://t.co/hZd3Dk3Fob">https://t.co/hZd3Dk3Fob</a> <a href="https://t.co/07YSoM6X4m">pic.twitter.com/07YSoM6X4m</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1019551203414433792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18 July 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Robert]

@s28, the current situation has grown so bad - with the hard-right ERG holding May to ransom, fearing loss of power more that hard Brexit, putting Party over Country - that I think the easiest path through would be a general election followed by a Corbyn-led left group (Labour-SDP-Lib Dem) government navigating through a soft Brexit, reducing damage to the economy.

It would have to have enough seats to overcome the right group (Tories, DUP, Labour traitors, maybe UKIP).

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I see the whole Labour anti semitism thing is kicking off again. Sounds like Tom Watson, John McD etc are going to throw Jezza under a bus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolutely spot on from John McDonnell on taking anti-Semitism seriously and defeating it ️ <a href="https://t.co/p7J4RqeKFX">https://t.co/p7J4RqeKFX</a></p>— Owen Jones (@OwenJones84) <a href="https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1024381752553480193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Peter Willsman's comments are bad enough written down, but have a listen to him deliver them here to get the full impact ...<a href="https://t.co/wz4T6JieTO">https://t.co/wz4T6JieTO</a></p>— Kevin Schofield (@PolhomeEditor) <a href="https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1024184771885318144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[James]

If Corbyn is still standing to eventually run against the Tories again (whenever that happens) then he is one tough cookie, he seems to be under heavy fire from all sides every day.

 

[irfan]

so who was it that compared Israel's govt to Nazis in 2010? Was it Corbyn himself or was it a rabid Judeophobic racist? Erm no it was actually an Auschwitz holocaust survivor and Jewish anti-Zionist, the late Hajo Meyer. It really is sickening the depths these people will stoop to discredit Corbyn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Meyer

 

[irfan]

At one talk, organized and hosted by Jeremy Corbyn in 2010, he was later reported, in 2018, as having repeatedly likened Israel's actions against the people of the Gaza Strip to the mass killing of Jews in the Holocaust. Corbyn was pressured to apologize for being present and for having organizing the event to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day. He subsequently apologized for platform-sharing with Meyer, but not for holding the event itself.[8] According to another source, Meyer's argument is that there are parallels between the Nazi treatment of Jews prior to the Holocaust, and Israel's treatment of Palestinians. [9] In an article of that period he explicitly stated:'I am pained by the parallels I observe between my experiences in Germany prior to 1939 and those suffered by Palestinians today.'[10]

Meyer claimed Zionism predates fascism, that Zionists and fascists had a history of cooperation charging, among other things, that Israel wants to foment anti-Semitism in the world to encourage more Jews to migrate to Israel.[11]

Meyer spoke in favor of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel.[12] In his last recorded interview, coinciding with the Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip, Meyer lambasted Zionists as Nazi criminals, asserted that German hatred of Jews was less deeply grounded than Israeli-Jewish hatred of Palestinians, and denounced PM Benjamin Netanyahu's remarks that demonstrations against the war were evidence of hatred of Israel.

'I cannot help but hear echoes of the Nazi mythos of “blood and soil” in the rhetoric of settler fundamentalism which claims a sacred right to all the lands of biblical Judea and Samaria. The various forms of collective punishment visited upon the Palestinian people — coerced ghettoization behind a “security wall”; the bulldozing of homes and destruction of fields; the bombing of schools, mosques, and government buildings; an economic blockade that deprives people of the water, food, medicine, education and the basic necessities for dignified survival — force me to recall the deprivations and humiliations that I experienced in my youth.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Meyer

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Tom Watson getting a lot of blowback for this.

Labour deputy leader Tom Watson hits out at Corbyn’s anti-semitism stance
He calls for Labour to take a 'long hard look at ourselves' and abandon disciplinary action against Corbyn critics

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inew...-hits-out-at-corbyn-anti-semitism-stance/amp/

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It sometimes feels like people have been calling for me to stand down from day one but I never, ever thought I’d be facing demands to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/resignwatson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#resignwatson</a> for standing up for people who are facing prejudice and hate.</p>— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1026168323732647936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Yossarian]

The Israel backed Labour Friends of Israel MP's, along with the Blairites, and with the help of the Tories who run the top Jewish newspapers and organisations, they are going to dig up and twist anything and everything Corbyn has done in his life that has been critical of Israel.

 

[Yossarian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It sometimes feels like people have been calling for me to stand down from day one but I never, ever thought I’d be facing demands to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/resignwatson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#resignwatson</a> for standing up for people who are facing prejudice and hate.</p>— Tom Watson (@tom_watson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1026168323732647936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tom Watson. the Guardian, even the BBC, are conveniently ignoring the fact that Margaret Hodge is not being investigated for telling Corbyn that he's not doing enough to fight anti-semitism.

Margaret Hodge is being investigated for (allegedly) calling Corbyn a "F****** anti-Semite and a racist"

And doing it in the House of Commons Chamber, whilst Corbyn was standing near the Speaker's Chair. Apparently there's plenty of witnesses to corroborate this.

Similarly, Ian Austin, another Corby hater, is not being investigated for saying Labour is not doing enough to fight anti-Semitism.

He's being investigated for shouting abuse at Ian Lavery MP after a Labour Party Exec. Committee meeting.

Ian Austin allegedly shouted You're a ‘f******* b******’ and a ‘w****r’

 

[James]

This is keeping the Labour Party bickering amongst itself, further dividing it between the left-wing power brokers and the centrist rebels. Labour won’t get into government until they can present a united front.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Corbyn: "I Don't Think I Was Involved" in Wreath Laying For Munich Killers <a href="https://t.co/Q2o7OE37te">https://t.co/Q2o7OE37te</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ur8SEDAKT8">pic.twitter.com/Ur8SEDAKT8</a></p>— Guido Fawkes (@GuidoFawkes) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1028989679830540288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Israeli Prime Minister blasts Jeremy Corbyn over Munich Massacre memorial claims<a href="https://t.co/kuafO5JGC8">https://t.co/kuafO5JGC8</a></p>— PoliticsHome (@politicshome) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1029064038842548225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have hitherto been more than a little dismissive of people who photograph & post every aspect of their existence. I’m sorry. Now, I realise, it’s a very useful way to check whether you’ve ever accidentally helped lay a wreath on a murdering terrorist’s grave, without noticing.</p>— James O'Brien (@mrjamesob) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1029081309916921856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[s28]

Jeremy Corbyn in fine form, blasts Benjamin Netanyahu, wishes Pakistanis Happy Independence Day

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Israeli PM <a href="https://twitter.com/netanyahu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Netanyahu</a>'s claims about my actions and words are false.<br><br>What deserves unequivocal condemnation is the killing of over 160 Palestinian protesters in Gaza by Israeli forces since March, including dozens of children.<a href="https://t.co/H5nXqi3pnU">https://t.co/H5nXqi3pnU</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1029075065550372864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today marks Pakistan's 71st Independence Day.<br><br>I send my best wishes to all those celebrating in Pakistan and across the world today.</p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1029468240668446721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 August 2018</a></blockquote>
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[s28]

Jeremy was in my part of the Country this week, the West Midlands and I got to go see him!

The atmosphere in the room was incredible. Outside there were people locked out (midday on a workday). Jeremy didn't want to disappoint the crowd outside so delivered a speech to them outside before coming inside to deliver a rallying speech to us. Given all the media smears directed at him he looked remarkably fresh and energetic. It was a real pleasure to hear him talk with such passion about all the issues which bedevil our Country at the moment from Housing, Health, Education, War/Peace etc. He always speaks from the heart, there are no notes or autocues.

We are living in the times of a truly great man who will go down in history as being a legend in the same way as Mandela, Gandhi, Martin Luther King etc

 

[CricketCartoons]

We are living in the times of a truly great man who will go down in history as being a legend in the same way as Mandela, <span style="text-decoration:line-through;">Gandhi,</span> Martin Luther King etc

removing the odd man out

 

[Suleiman]

removing the odd man out

The way you post reminds me of that cat from Courage the Cowardly Dog. Whenever he entered a very slick theme would play with a lot of bass and sounded nice, but had an uneasy feeling about it that something isn't right.

In any case, Pakistan seems to be getting a lot of well wishes this independence day.

 

[Robert]

Twitter traffic this morning alludes to some form of Labour split.

Good! - the Corbynistas will be rid of the hated Moderates and Blairites, and maybe a new centrist alliance will form. Everyone wins!

 

[GBK_Fan]

Corbyn is a gift that keeps on giving. I cannot fathom how someone who cannot unite his own party will be able to provide leadership to a deeply fractured country.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Twitter traffic this morning alludes to some form of Labour split.

Good! - the Corbynistas will be rid of the hated Moderates and Blairites, and maybe a new centrist alliance will form. Everyone wins!

I would love that. Blairites can go and join lib dems into oblivion.

Chukka Ummuna can say good bye to being an MP ftom my constituency.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Corbyn is a gift that keeps on giving. I cannot fathom how someone who cannot unite his own party will be able to provide leadership to a deeply fractured country.

The only solution is for a split. Blairites can go their own way and make a Tory lite party.

 

[the Great Khan]

Twitter traffic this morning alludes to some form of Labour split.

Good! - the Corbynistas will be rid of the hated Moderates and Blairites, and maybe a new centrist alliance will form. Everyone wins!

they will crash and burn..at most will sure up the lib dem vote..nobody wants to see Chuka as PM or as a major party leader..

I hope they all go so that Labour can get back to doing what it has been trying to do and that is opposing austerity and trying to get the country back on an even keel..

this centrist alliance will just be seen as a traitorous and untrustworthy..

 

[GBK_Fan]

The only solution is for a split. Blairites can go their own way and make a Tory lite party.

That’s a significant voting block. Also it makes Corbyn even more unpalatable for the undecided

 

[Robert]

I would love that. Blairites can go and join lib dems into oblivion.

Chukka Ummuna can say good bye to being an MP ftom my constituency.

It would mean Labour cannot attract the Middle England voters.

Depends how many activists the speratists can take with them I guess.

As for traitorous and I trustworthy, the Alliance was polling 50% at one point. But for the Falklands Factor they would have formed a Government in 1984.

 

[Yossarian]

It would mean Labour cannot attract the Middle England voters.

Depends how many activists the speratists can take with them I guess.

As for traitorous and I trustworthy, the Alliance was polling 50% at one point. But for the Falklands Factor they would have formed a Government in 1984.

By no longer being members of the Labour Party, these breakways will not have access to the Labour grassroots organisations, Constituency Labour Parties, and all that it entails. They won't even have any local constituency offices and facilities to start off with.

The CLP's will just elect new candidates, and sure they will lose many voters, but at the same time, there are many voters who vote for Labour regardless of who the candidate is. That's why they're called 'safe seats' and why, historically, both Conservatives and Labour leaderships 'parachute' friends and family members into their respective safe seat constituencies.

So it might dent Labour's chances of winning marginal seats at the next General Election, but the breakaways, other than the odd one here and there, will never get elected at the next election.