Malala Yousafzai - Mega Discussion Thread

[Robert]

I think most people are hating on her probably because she is representing Pakistan and is showcasing the plight faced by girls with regards to education. People are more concerned about her bringing a bad reputation to Pakistan in world stage rather than acknowledging the truth.

She's got 'leader' written all over her and that intimidates some weak-egoed males. She could grow up to be another Benazir.

 

[endymion248]

She's got 'leader' written all over her and that intimidates some weak-egoed males. She could grow up to be another Benazir.

I'm sorry but there is a world between Benazir's upbringing and political shrewdness and some naive little girl who is famous because (sadly) she got shot in the head. I don't dislike her but I do dislike statements like this that, somehow, equate being a victim to tragic events and having credence to your opinions or ambitions.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

I'm sorry but there is a world between Benazir's upbringing and political shrewdness and some naive little girl who is famous because (sadly) she got shot in the head. I don't dislike her but I do dislike statements like this that, somehow, equate being a victim to tragic events and having credence to your opinions or ambitions.

good post

 

[Zahid87]

Why doesn't Malala complain about drones. Why doesn't Malala complain about Israel? Why doesn't Malala complain about Kashmir? Why doesn't Malala complain about campaign to malign Muslims?

Maybe its because Malala can only complain about what she has experienced - being shot in the head for trying to get an education by Islamic militants.

The amount of idiotic statements in this thread is unbelievable, and no wonder that Pakistan is a basket case. You people want terrorism eradicated, but you are too conflicted with its association to something which you cannot speak against. All you want is to hear how Pakistan is screwed over by the rest of the world.

 

[saeedhk]

Your age was questioned in another thread, and I think rightly so! If you looked over last couple of decades and the foreign invasions, they were all based on a single trigger. Syria chemical weapons? Iraq-WMDs? Lybia? Heck, even the Swat operation was based on a single mobile-recorded video of Taliban flogging a girl. Later there were questions on that video's authenticity.

You sure Swat operation was based on a single video?There are videos of headless bodies hanging from electricity poles,people being shot in the head and do you know about Khoni chowk.Stop misleading the people.

 

[saeedhk]

Malala Malala Malala Malala Malala Malala. I am just sick and tired of seeing this name everywhere related to Pakistan these days. Pta nahee ya aafat kub pee cha **** gay.

Malala is American agent or pakistan ko barbaad karne k liye ai he. agar Dr. Afia hamain 1 lafz kehne k liye kahien to hum apni jaan tak de sakte he. Q K Aafia Ummat-e-muslima ki hero he or Malala america / media ki hero he.

This post made me cringe.Do you mind explaining why whenever Al Qaeda kidnaps foreigners,they ask about swapping the captives with Aafia?She is not the only muslim woman being held in American jails.Just recently,in January ,during the Algerian hostage crisis,the Al Qaeda demanded the US release Aafia.She is definately a shadowy character.
Lol,what empty slogans,Hum Apni Jaan Daygee,what are doing on PP then?

 

[wasim-fan]

For the beloved conspiracy theorists

http://www.dawn.com/news/1048776/malala-the-real-story-with-evidence

 

[wasim-fan]

By the same argument. she is also not our Interior Minister/Education adviser to fix the country's problem. The only reason she got acclaim was that she went out of her way, and despite her age to speak for problems to be handled by far more responsible personnel. A word or two in the UN speech about drones and how children(girls like her) get blown to smithereens would have been of profound effect, given her international image.

Actually, that isn't true. She got the western media attention after she was shot by the Taliban. Her responsibility is merely as an individual citizen. She is holding no posts. She doesn't belong to any party. She is 14 or 15 year old. The issues she decides to raise are her issues. She is not Pakistan's official representative. She is speaking in her own capacity

 

[saeedhk]

Very true .. She just needs to be aware of what she is being used for .

So ,you understood,right.We should appreciate this girl not spew hatred against her.

 

[Robert]

I'm sorry but there is a world between Benazir's upbringing and political shrewdness and some naive little girl who is famous because (sadly) she got shot in the head. I don't dislike her but I do dislike statements like this that, somehow, equate being a victim to tragic events and having credence to your opinions or ambitions.

That equivalence is in your mind, not mine. Are you one of those weak-egoed males, perchance?

I can see greatness in Malala. At a very young age she has extraordinary poise and dignity. She has the capability to achieve something remarkable.

 

[classic]

Malala is a sweet girl who in my opinion is being used for a much bigger picture on the world arena.

God forbid if they (the west) build her up so much and something terrible happens to her we will see utter turmoil on the streets of Pakistan.

 

[hadi123]

what sick people

 

[saeedhk]

Scums of the highest order.

 

[coca-cola]

Your age was questioned in another thread, and I think rightly so! If you looked over last couple of decades and the foreign invasions, they were all based on a single trigger. Syria chemical weapons? Iraq-WMDs? Lybia? Heck, even the Swat operation was based on a single mobile-recorded video of Taliban flogging a girl. Later there were questions on that video's authenticity.

Yeah, triggers like Civil War, and weapons of mass destruction - real or imagined. And the SWAT valley operation occurred because public opinion was rapidly going in favor of the operation, not because the army needed an excuse.

You're suggesting that a girl stop advocating education because the West may use her as an excuse to start a full scale war with boots on teh ground.

I'm actually speechless at that logic.

 

[LegendInzi]

You sure Swat operation was based on a single video?There are videos of headless bodies hanging from electricity poles,people being shot in the head and do you know about Khoni chowk.Stop misleading the people.

Despite all THAT there was consensus b/w army, public to still first strive for peace before going on operation. There was even a pact with Sufi Muhammad on that front. But as soon as THAT video came out, West picked up on it, and created hype everywhere, an operation was launched. Which why I used the word 'trigger'...the meaning of which you certainly didn't picked on.

 

[coca-cola]

I'm sorry but there is a world between Benazir's upbringing and political shrewdness and some naive little girl who is famous because (sadly) she got shot in the head. I don't dislike her but I do dislike statements like this that, somehow, equate being a victim to tragic events and having credence to your opinions or ambitions.

And Bhutto did have political credibility because she was born into a dynasty?

 

[coca-cola]

That equivalence is in your mind, not mine. Are you one of those weak-egoed males, perchance?

I can see greatness in Malala. At a very young age she has extraordinary poise and dignity. She has the capability to achieve something remarkable.

Regardless of the circumstances leading to this, she is one of the most eloquent and well spoken teenagers I have ever come across.

 

[LegendInzi]

Actually, that isn't true. She got the western media attention after she was shot by the Taliban. Her responsibility is merely as an individual citizen. She is holding no posts. She doesn't belong to any party. She is 14 or 15 year old. The issues she decides to raise are her issues. She is not Pakistan's official representative. She is speaking in her own capacity

She is representing a common Pakistani woman on international front. If she wins Nobel Peace, will that be her individual achievement, I'm not sure...NGOs, human right activists, western media will like to call that as victory of a common Pakistani woman. And you don't go about raising personal issues in United Nations, for God's sake

 

[saeedhk]

Despite all THAT there was consensus b/w army, public to still first strive for peace before going on operation. There was even a pact with Sufi Muhammad on that front. But as soon as THAT video came out, West picked up on it, and created hype everywhere, an operation was launched. Which why I used the word 'trigger'...the meaning of which you certainly didn't picked on.

Lol.You were caught lying.Now ,you are making lame excuses.There was a pact but the TTP violated it .I hope you do some research before posting.You are misleading the people here.

 

[LegendInzi]

Lol.You were caught lying.Now ,you are making lame excuses.There was a pact but the TTP violated it .I hope you do some research before posting.You are misleading the people here.

ROFL ) Don't take it personal, its just a forum debate about a 16 yo teenager lol.... Quote me exactly where and what do you mean by lying?

 

[saeedhk]

ROFL ) Don't take it personal, its just a forum debate about a 16 yo teenager lol.... Quote me exactly where and what do you mean by lying?

In your post above ,you said the Swat operation was based on a single video which is wrong.

 

[LegendInzi]

In your post above ,you said the Swat operation was based on a single video which is wrong.

Clinging to straws eh? First post(Post#50) was in the context of 'triggers' over last few decades. And in my second post (Post#68) I reinforced precisely the point why that video acted as the trigger. I see no incoherence there.

 

[saeedhk]

Clinging to straws eh? First post(Post#50) was in the context of 'triggers' over last few decades. And in my second post (Post#68) I reinforced precisely the point why that video acted as the trigger. I see no incoherence there.

Exactly.By trigger you mean everything else the TTP were doing was right.The operation was not based on just one video but many other barabaric crimes which the TTP committed.

 

[endymion248]

And Bhutto did have political credibility because she was born into a dynasty?

That equivalence is in your mind, not mine. Are you one of those weak-egoed males, perchance?

I can see greatness in Malala. At a very young age she has extraordinary poise and dignity. She has the capability to achieve something remarkable.

I think that it shows a lot more intellectual weakness to imply that a man not going into the idolatry of some random kid has to be sexist. That Malala is a girl doesn't play any part into my judgement of the situation.

Au contraire, that you think the first qualities needed into a woman to be a leader are grace and poise is pretty revealing. "Madonisation" of women is one of the dominating forms of sexism.

If you think grace and poise are revealing of deeper personality traits, I still think it is a superficial way of thinking.

 

[MenInG]

For a young girl who had never really ventured out of Pakistan before, she speaks with a lot of confidence!

Proud to see her on the world stage

 

[Nostalgic]

Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

And it does our image a world of good to have someone like her being the face of Pakistan on the world stage. What a refreshing change from the likes of Aafia Sidfiqui, Faisal Shahzad and their ilk.

 

[James]

I think that it shows a lot more intellectual weakness to imply that a man not going into the idolatry of some random kid has to be sexist. That Malala is a girl doesn't play any part into my judgement of the situation.

Au contraire, that you think the first qualities needed into a woman to be a leader are grace and poise is pretty revealing. "Madonisation" of women is one of the dominating forms of sexism.

If you think grace and poise are revealing of deeper personality traits, I still think it is a superficial way of thinking.

What I believe they're referencing are the undercurrents of misogyny and male insecurity which do seem to apply to some users on Time Pass. Wrong in this instance or not, it is not an invalid point that they are making.

 

[LegendInzi]

And it does our image a world of good to have someone like her being the face of Pakistan on the world stage. What a refreshing change from the likes of Aafia Sidfiqui, Faisal Shahzad and their ilk.

@bolded: FACEPALM

 

[Nostalgic]

Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

What did I say wrong this time?

 

[Saeed]

Yep education is such an evil thing.

She should speak for swat or KPK not for the rest of Pakistan.

 

[endymion248]

And Bhutto did have political credibility because she was born into a dynasty?

This is the kind of inferiority complex that leads to your limited understanding of the world around you and to you looking for "leaders" that share this same vision because this default is perceived as the virtue inherent to the "aam admi".

 

[90MPH]

Malala is nothing but positive news for Pakistan. However she needs to forget about making political statements and just concentrate on her campaign to educate girls in Pakistan, especially those in the tribal areas.

 

[saeedhk]

She should speak for swat or KPK not for the rest of Pakistan.

But why?The problem of female education is not only in KPK but all over Pakistan.

 

[endymion248]

What I believe they're referencing are the undercurrents of misogyny and male insecurity which do seem to apply to some users on Time Pass. Wrong in this instance or not, it is not an invalid point that they are making.

It is precisely that, an undercurrent. Nobody is stating outright that they are misogynist. Saying that someone is sexist on this forum is based on conjecture from that person's opinion
on several different women or topics, opinions that on their own don't warrant for the label. It is the reason why, despite thinking it, I avoid pejorative labels because you never know whether your conjecture is based on a coincidence, unless you know that person IRL and can therefore base your opinion on more than their words. However, here, you have Robert implying me as, if not misogynist, sexist based on one post alone while, at the same time, presenting an opinion of his desired archetype that I find borderline.

 

[Saeed]

But why?The problem of female education is not only in KPK but all over Pakistan.

Much fewer then KPK.She name pakistan in his speeches like pakistani girls have never seen a school before.

 

[endymion248]

Much fewer then KPK.She name pakistan in his speeches like pakistani girls have never seen a school before.

Going to school and having an education are two different things. When even the Pakistani elites children are not doing much more than learning to read and be good at sciences (in best of cases when the school values more than memorizing solutions), how do people expect that schooling people in KPK will solve anything?

 

[Markhor]

You see this is a tried and tested example of what some of the Pakistani conservative, religious right wing tend to do. These conservatives know that with a growing urban, younger middle-class, their power base is being gradually weakened and of course they have to resort to 'CIA agent/liberal puppet' slurs in order to play on Pakistani's natural fears and instincts. This is why these religious parties have a large grassroots membership, through this fiery rhetoric and language that stirs up people's emotions - that societal changes is not due to demographic changes but infact is some conspiracy being sponsored by outside agents and so on.

Society is changing rapidly - just look at the vote figures for the religious parties - it is lamentable.

Also many Pakistanis who have never able to confront this issue of militancy - is it Pakistan's war or not ? The ordinary man on the street want simple, black and white answers. It is easier to digest that outside elements are involved and everyone is against them instead of the reality which is that this insurgency takes up shades of grey - that the enemy is within their own communities and cities.

They have relentlessly character assassinated this young girl as she is a powerful symbol for many young girls' who want their basic rights. For those who are saying they are sick of hearing her speeches - don't listen to or read them.

Finally Pakistan has a campaigner on the world stage who has won widespread respect and acclaim from so many people, many of whom who have always viewed Pakistan in a negative light. She is changing perceptions of the country and her story is easy for many to sympathise with.

Granted she has been privileged by getting notoriety from an early age by the BBC and won a number of awards, but is someone who has used her public platform to promote those dastardly, evil concepts of peace and female education rights !

 

[Saeed]

Going to school and having an education are two different things. When even the Pakistani elites children are not doing much more than learning to read and be good at sciences (in best of cases when the school values more than memorizing solutions), how do people expect that schooling people in KPK will solve anything?

You go to school to get education, am i missing something?

 

[saeedhk]

Much fewer then KPK.She name pakistan in his speeches like pakistani girls have never seen a school before.

We do have a female education problem.Thats how things are,Im afraid.We have a female literacy of less than 50%.This is shameful,really.

 

[endymion248]

You go to school to get education, am i missing something?

It depends on whether you take it a la lettre, in which case you could get an education at a madrasa or at an apprenticeship by the local mechanic. After all, you are learning something.

 

[Saeed]

We do have a female education problem.Thats how things are,Im afraid.We have a female literacy of less than 50%.This is shameful,really.

Well that is shame.Do we have literacy stats of people who were born after 1980s?Because even my mom and other relatives who were born before 1980s aren't literate but my sisters are.

 

[Saeed]

It depends on whether you take it a la lettre, in which case you could get an education at a madrasa or at an apprenticeship by the local mechanic. After all, you are learning something.

No i am talking about other schools.Define madrasa. Even jewish go to Yeshiva Schools here in US and they are successful.

 

[saeedhk]

Well that is shame.Do we have literacy stats of people who were born after 1980s?Because even my mom and other relatives who were born before 1980s aren't literate but my sisters are.

Im on my smartphone ,hard to dig up stats.I do agree with you that the literacy has been improving.The situation before 1980s was really bad.However,we still have a long way to go.So,I believe Malala is doing a fantastic job.

 

[endymion248]

No i am talking about other schools.Define madrasa. Even jewish go to Yeshiva Schools here in US and they are successful.

Well, would you define someone who is an apprentice at a workshop as one pursuing an education?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And it does our image a world of good to have someone like her being the face of Pakistan on the world stage. What a refreshing change from the likes of Aafia Sidfiqui, Faisal Shahzad and their ilk.

I'm not sure how that works. The image most people would get of Pakistan when they see Malala is of a place where 12 year old girls get shot in the face.

 

[Saeed]

Well, would you define someone who is an apprentice at a workshop as one pursuing an education?

That education is based on one certain subject while in other schools they teach different subjects.

 

[Nostalgic]

Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

I'm not sure how that works. The image most people would get of Pakistan when they see Malala is of a place where 12 year old girls get shot in the face.

... and refused to be cowed by it. As opposed to the other two people I listed, who, in spite of privileged upbringings, turned to terrorism.

 

[IJWBS]

i think she wants to run for PM or something..its a ll a drama, I reckon she faked the whole thing. topi drama!!

You are the biggest garbage poster on this forum. Without a doubt.

 

[coca-cola]

I think that it shows a lot more intellectual weakness to imply that a man not going into the idolatry of some random kid has to be sexist. That Malala is a girl doesn't play any part into my judgement of the situation.

Au contraire, that you think the first qualities needed into a woman to be a leader are grace and poise is pretty revealing. "Madonisation" of women is one of the dominating forms of sexism.

If you think grace and poise are revealing of deeper personality traits, I still think it is a superficial way of thinking.

I think you are wrong here - we are not supporting her for these reasons alone. We simply encourage her - and all other proactive teens - to take the democratic avenue to fulfill her desires.

I myself wouldn't vote for her - 1) she's a far far left socialist 2) she's an idealist.

Regardless, grace, poise, dignity, etc. aren't gender characteristics. You are essentially wrong by implying that we view those qualities in a sex related context. If Malala was a boy with those characteristics we would still encourage him regardless.

Whether these qualities are superficial - you are correct. In an idealized world they would not matter, but in the real world, these qualities are essential for any politician.

Exactly.By trigger you mean everything else the TTP were doing was right.The operation was not based on just one video but many other barabaric crimes which the TTP committed.

But above all - and the point that he conveniently ignores - is the fact that he is implying that a woman should stop speaking about education simply because the west "might", in a fantasy situation use that excuse out of the many other more practical excuses as a means to invade Pakistan.

The fact that he can't support that RIDICULOUS line of logic, whether it come from a 10 year old, 15 year old, 60 year old, or his grandpa, shows how intellectually hollow his argument really is. Don't waste your time.

 

[coca-cola]

This is the kind of inferiority complex that leads to your limited understanding of the world around you and to you looking for "leaders" that share this same vision because this default is perceived as the virtue inherent to the "aam admi".

What are you on about? What inferiority complex? Which leaders have I been looking for?

The point was simple - Malala has every right to seek a political career as did Bhutto. The fact that she gets attention for "a tragic circumstance" as you put it is no different than getting attention for how famous your daddy is.

I have no idea what you are trying to say with that run on sentence of yours, and how relevant it is to the point I am making.

 

[coca-cola]

I'm not sure how that works. The image most people would get of Pakistan when they see Malala is of a place where 12 year old girls get shot in the face.

A lot of places may deserve that image, and I think Pakistan is certainly one of them.

 

[LegendInzi]

But above all - and the point that he conveniently ignores - is the fact that he is implying that a woman should stop speaking about education simply because the west "might", in a fantasy situation use that excuse out of the many other more practical excuses as a means to invade Pakistan.

The fact that he can't support that RIDICULOUS line of logic, whether it come from a 10 year old, 15 year old, 60 year old, or his grandpa, shows how intellectually hollow his argument really is. Don't waste your time.

Lol I cited other instances where this ploy has already spanned out, and you didn't answer that. Stop taking the discussion to an altogether different tangent when you can't argue. And kid, where have I said she should stop advocating education. QUOTE AND BOLD that part...

 

[LegendInzi]

i'm not sure how that works. The image most people would get of pakistan when they see malala is of a place where 12 year old girls get shot in the face.

+1.

 

[LegendInzi]

A lot of places may deserve that image, and I think Pakistan is certainly one of them.

A lot of places...hmmm let me think, how about drone bombed regions of Pakistan and the girls who died there?

 

[Markhor]

There are valid criticisms of the US drone policy and their conduct since 9/11, their interference in Pakistan's internal affairs but why don't pople direct their anger at the cowardly politicians who have blood on their hands instead of a girl who has a freaking metal plate in her skull.

 

[Saeed]

There are valid criticisms of the US drone policy and their conduct since 9/11, their interference in Pakistan's internal affairs but why don't pople direct their anger at the cowardly politicians who have blood on their hands instead of a girl who has a freaking metal plate in her skull.

Politicians are too strong.

 

[LegendInzi]

There are valid criticisms of the US drone policy and their conduct since 9/11, their interference in Pakistan's internal affairs but why don't pople direct their anger at the cowardly politicians who have blood on their hands instead of a girl who has a freaking metal plate in her skull.

She is championing the cause of women and oppressed in Pakistan, she claims to be representing the image of Taliban-shackled public and speaking on its fallout. Our politicians have been named and shamed to no limit on this matter, we hate them, but they at least speak and unanimously condemn the collateral damage from drones...we don't command the international recognition she does, so its only fair to expect her to fully represent the situation.

 

[LegendInzi]

Oh dear Malala , oh poor baby what happened to you. You were such a bright shining star. You were destined to enlighten the world, you were a born hero, blustering with a disease called natural charisma. You were right on the right path.

I knew you as the daughter of KPK, the symbol of Pashton pride. I always thought that you would prove all those exploitative females wrong. Those who, in the greed of changing the world, turn themselves into a pitiful display of westernised FaaS. I thought to my self, this girl would carry our traditions, our way of live and show it to the world. Our girls, though traditional, have the will and ambition to change the world. But then you got shot.

I never knew such despair, such loss of faith in my country. The only thing near to it was the killing of Hakeem Saeed .

It was a joy to see you survive, but Malala , kiddo, are you even aware of the things that you are doing, the things that you say on the foreign media. The dirty picture you portray of your homeland and the place you were born, are you doing it intentionally, or what?

You have become a symbol for female education and fight against oppression, every word you say is heard, aired and published. But when ever I see you on TV, all you have to say to the world is an ugly tale of Pakistan, and I have had enough of it.

Last night I saw you in an interview, where you were telling about you new school in UK. Of course it would be a great school but why would you mention that schools in your area beat students. Why would you pose that we treat our women and students in the worst possible manner. Why do you do that all the time. Women are oppressed around the world. Why don’t you stand up for global education and all the oppressed females of the world.

Why your idols are mother Teresa, Joan of arc, and Benazir Bhutto. You find heroes in the heroes of the west. Why, in your ideals, Obama stands higher then Quaid e Azam and Benazir Bhutto is more charismatic then Fatima Jinnah.

You pose in interviews that women are subjugated to adjunct oppression, to the extent that they are shot in the country. Next time you mention it, don’t forget to mention that women around the world are subjected to oppression and its not only Pakistan. If you want to stand for female education, then do talk about India and Bangladesh, the state of women is far grave then women in Pakistan.

Please for once mention the high achieving Pakistani women, those who worked hard, defied odds and stood against the social norms to win accolades in all walks of life, and those who earned it. Unlike those who shot to fame by western propaganda.

I don’t know why don’t you see a starlet in Nasim Hameed, a girl from poor conservative class, taking part in athletics, and becoming the fastest woman in south Asia.

Are you even aware of Maria Toorpakay Wazir, you are from Sawat, she is from the tribal region of south Waziristan, hence from the wazir tribe. She is Pakistan’s top ranking female squash player and worlds’ 49th. She use to train in Peshawar as a boy to avoid social predicaments. But you wont see her struggle and you don’t see her strive.

I am damn sure that you don’t even know the name of Shahida Malik, the first female Major General in Pak army . Shahida Malik served the medical core and she was the Inspector general of 31 army hospitals. Do you even know the number of men that saluted her every day?

Dr. Shama Khalid did free summer camps in the distant region of Gilgat Baltistan for over a decade. She started it alone. till the time she became the first ever female Governor of Gilgat Baltistan. She is the first woman governor of Pakistan. But I assume her efforts to provide free health to the people of that distan region mean nothing to you. You wont ever mention them on any media.

Namira Saleem became the first Pakistani women to go in space as qualified astronaut. She was there before the Pakistani men

I fail to understand that if people from your region of the country are this bad, then how and why badam zari contested the pools in 2013 election from bajur. What about Aisha Gulalai, a name synonymous with human rights and education in FATA. She is tribal, she is a wazir, her home is in south Waziristan. You don’t find them heroic or my be you’d do but you are too young to know about them.

My dear Malala, you are too young to understand the fact that by mentioning ideals of different society, different cultural and different religion, you are letting down all the heroic females mentioned above. The name you take as your heroes or idols are missionary, it looks like you are band wagging, it looks as if you are the speakerphone of the west, telling the world, how brutal, tyrant, chauvinistic Pakistani society is.

Those, who you say you idolise, are so missionary, even by western standards that Rosa Park might want to shy away from the pages of history.

When you say that Joan of arc inspires you, you let down every woman in Pakistan who stood up against oppression, who stood for the rights of women in Pakistan. You let down Parveen Rehman of organi pilot project and many others.

They think that they fail to inspire a young girl like you but I guess you don’t know that.

Soon you will get the Nobel Prize, and I am sure in your speech you wont even mention any Pakistan women because they fail to inspire you.

It was the responsibility of your dad to tell you about Fatima Jinnah and bi amma, before he told you about Oprah. It was the responsibility of your dad to tell you about the people of the east and their deep-rooted association with there culture. But I guess he is a shameful parent.

 

[Mystrey]

i'm not sure how that works. The image most people would get of pakistan when they see malala is of a place where 12 year old girls get shot in the face.

+ 100

 

[LegendInzi]

Malala Yousafzai and the White Saviour Complex

When Malala Yusufzai was shot in the head by Taliban gunmen simply because she wanted to gain an education it sent shockwaves around the world.

Straight away the Western media took up the issue. Western politicians spoke out and soon she found herself in the UK. The way in which the West reacted did make me question the reasons and motives behind why Malala's case was taken up and not so many others.

There is no justifying the brutal actions of the Taliban or the denial of the universal right to education, however there is a deeper more historic narrative that is taking place here.

This is a story of a native girl being saved by the white man. Flown to the UK, the Western world can feel good about itself as they save the native woman from the savage men of her home nation. It is a historic racist narrative that has been institutionalised. Journalists and politicians were falling over themselves to report and comment on the case. The story of an innocent brown child that was shot by savages for demanding an education and along comes the knight in shining armour to save her.

The actions of the West, the bombings, the occupations the wars all seem justified now, "see, we told you, this is why we intervene to save the natives."

The truth is that there are hundreds and thousands of other Malalas. They come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other places in the world. Many are victims of the West, but we conveniently forget about those as Western journalists and politicians fall over themselves to appease their white-middle class guilt also known as the white man's burden.

Gordon Brown stood at the UN and spoke words in support for Malala, yet he is the very same Gordon Brown that voted for the war in Iraq that not only robbed people of their education but of their lives. The same journalists that failed to question or report on the Western wars in an intelligible manner now sing the praises of the West as they back Malala and her campaign without putting it in context of the war in Afghanistan and the destabalisation of the region thanks to the Western occupation of Afghanistan.

Malala's message is true, it is profound, it is something the world needs to take note of; education is a right of every child, but Malala has been used as a tool by the West. It allows countries like Britain to hide their sins in Afghanistan and Iraq. It allows journalists to report a feel good story whilst they neglect so many others, like the American drone strikes that terrorise men, women and children in Pakistan's border regions.

The current narrative continues the demonization of the non-white Muslim man. Painting him as a savage, someone beyond negotiating with, beyond engaging with, the only way to deal with this kind of savage is to wage war, occupy and use drones against them. NATO is bombing to save girls like Malala is the message here.

Historically the West has always used women to justify the actions of war mongering men. It is in the imagery, it is in art, in education, it is even prevalent in Western human rights organisations, Amnesty International's poster campaign coinciding with the NATO summit in New York encouraged NATO to 'keep the progress going!' in Afghanistan.

Shazia Ramzan and Kainat Riaz were also shot along with Malala, the media and politicians seem to have forgotten about them. Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi - how many of the Western politicians and journalists know about this name? She was the 14-year-old girl gang raped by five US soldiers, then her and her family, including her six-year-old sister were murdered. There are no days named after her, no mentions of her at the UN, and we don't see Gordon Brown pledging his name to her cause.

I support Malala, I support the right to education for all, I just cannot stand the hypocrisy of Western politicians and media as they pick and choose, congratulating themselves for something that they have caused. Malala is the good native, she does not criticise the West, she does not talk about the drone strikes, she is the perfect candidate for the white man to relieve his burden and save the native.

The Western savior complex has hijacked Malala's message. The West has killed more girls than the Taliban have. The West has denied more girls an education via their missiles than the Taliban has by their bullets. The West has done more against education around the world than extremists could ever dream of. So, please, spare us the self-righteous and self-congratulatory message that is nothing more than propaganda that tells us that the West drops bombs to save girls like Malala.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/assed-baig/malala-yousafzai-white-saviour_b_3592165.html

 

[James]

Basically a load of garbage. Surprised the Post published it.

 

[endymion248]

That education is based on one certain subject while in other schools they teach different subjects.

Not all schools teach the subjects of creativity, critical thinking, autonomous problem solving, civic responsibility,...

 

[smoothcriminal]

http://ogchronic.wordpress.com/2013/10/10/why-malala-yousafzai-should-not-win-the-nobel-prize/

"But yours’[Malala] is a unique battle; you are going to try to save a people that don’t want to be saved, especially by you. You will face adversity the likes of which you haven’t seen before. Much like our other Nobel prize winner, you will be hated by millions. Because you are different, because you are better, because you rose above, you will be hated. But you are brave and wise beyond your years, beyond your people, beyond most people, and I have no doubt that you will find a way. I support you wholeheartedly kiddo, you are the first Pakistani in a while who has made me proud to belong to this land"

 

[MenInG]

When Malala Yusufzai was shot in the head by Taliban gunmen simply because she wanted to gain an education it sent shockwaves around the world.

Straight away the Western media took up the issue. Western politicians spoke out and soon she found herself in the UK. The way in which the West reacted did make me question the reasons and motives behind why Malala's case was taken up and not so many others.

There is no justifying the brutal actions of the Taliban or the denial of the universal right to education, however there is a deeper more historic narrative that is taking place here.

This is a story of a native girl being saved by the white man. Flown to the UK, the Western world can feel good about itself as they save the native woman from the savage men of her home nation. It is a historic racist narrative that has been institutionalised. Journalists and politicians were falling over themselves to report and comment on the case. The story of an innocent brown child that was shot by savages for demanding an education and along comes the knight in shining armour to save her.

The actions of the West, the bombings, the occupations the wars all seem justified now, "see, we told you, this is why we intervene to save the natives."

The truth is that there are hundreds and thousands of other Malalas. They come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other places in the world. Many are victims of the West, but we conveniently forget about those as Western journalists and politicians fall over themselves to appease their white-middle class guilt also known as the white man's burden.

Gordon Brown stood at the UN and spoke words in support for Malala, yet he is the very same Gordon Brown that voted for the war in Iraq that not only robbed people of their education but of their lives. The same journalists that failed to question or report on the Western wars in an intelligible manner now sing the praises of the West as they back Malala and her campaign without putting it in context of the war in Afghanistan and the destabalisation of the region thanks to the Western occupation of Afghanistan.

Malala's message is true, it is profound, it is something the world needs to take note of; education is a right of every child, but Malala has been used as a tool by the West. It allows countries like Britain to hide their sins in Afghanistan and Iraq. It allows journalists to report a feel good story whilst they neglect so many others, like the American drone strikes that terrorise men, women and children in Pakistan's border regions.

The current narrative continues the demonization of the non-white Muslim man. Painting him as a savage, someone beyond negotiating with, beyond engaging with, the only way to deal with this kind of savage is to wage war, occupy and use drones against them. NATO is bombing to save girls like Malala is the message here.

Historically the West has always used women to justify the actions of war mongering men. It is in the imagery, it is in art, in education, it is even prevalent in Western human rights organisations, Amnesty International's poster campaign coinciding with the NATO summit in New York encouraged NATO to 'keep the progress going!' in Afghanistan.

Shazia Ramzan and Kainat Riaz were also shot along with Malala, the media and politicians seem to have forgotten about them. Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi - how many of the Western politicians and journalists know about this name? She was the 14-year-old girl gang raped by five US soldiers, then her and her family, including her six-year-old sister were murdered. There are no days named after her, no mentions of her at the UN, and we don't see Gordon Brown pledging his name to her cause.

I support Malala, I support the right to education for all, I just cannot stand the hypocrisy of Western politicians and media as they pick and choose, congratulating themselves for something that they have caused. Malala is the good native, she does not criticise the West, she does not talk about the drone strikes, she is the perfect candidate for the white man to relieve his burden and save the native.

The Western savior complex has hijacked Malala's message. The West has killed more girls than the Taliban have. The West has denied more girls an education via their missiles than the Taliban has by their bullets. The West has done more against education around the world than extremists could ever dream of. So, please, spare us the self-righteous and self-congratulatory message that is nothing more than propaganda that tells us that the West drops bombs to save girls like Malala.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/assed-baig/malala-yousafzai-white-saviour_b_3592165.html

Not sure how many writers have taken a bullet in their skull...

 

[BeingFaridKhan]

Malala: The real story (with evidence)

In September 2012, a 15-year-old school girl from Pakistan’s Swat valley was reported to have been shot in the face and head by a Taliban activist.

The attack caused outrage around the world and the news was given widespread coverage in the local and international media.

Malala was reported to have barely survived after doctors in Pakistan and then England performed multiple surgeries on her face and head.

Today Malala lives in the UK and has repeatedly vowed to continue working for the cause of women’s education in Pakistan, especially in those areas of the country where extremists and militant outfits are said to have been blowing up girls’ schools.

But this is just one side of the whole story. The narrative about what really happened on the day Malala was allegedly shot has mostly been weaved by the Western media.

In April this year, Dawn.com sent a group of its most seasoned reporters to Swat to undertake an intensive five-month investigation of the event. Their collective findings unearthed a series of some stunning disclosures (with evidence) that are bound to affectively challenge the mainstream narrative of the Malala story.

The following are the major findings of the investigation:

• Malala was not born in Swat and neither is she a Pushtun. A respected medical doctor in Swat, Imtiaz Ali Khanzai, who runs a private hospital and clinic in Swat told our reporters that he has a DNA report that proves that Malala is not Pushtun.

Showing us the report, he said he extracted Malala’s DNA when as a child she visited his clinic (with her parents) complaining of an earache.

“After she was supposedly shot last year, I remembered I had a bottle where I had kept some of her earwax,” the doctor explained. “Collecting earwax of my patients is a hobby of mine,” he added.

He went on to claim that according to the DNA, Malala is a Caucasian, most probably from Poland.

After the discovery, the doctor called Malala’s father and told him that he knew who Malala was. “

“He was stunned and began to stutter,” the doctor said. “He pleaded that I did not make my findings public. I told him I wouldn’t but only if he told me the whole truth.”

Malala’s father told the doctor that Malala’s real name was Jane and she was born in Hungary in 1997. Her real biological parents were Christian missionaries who, after traveling to Swat in 2002, left Malala as a gift to her adopted parents after they secretly converted to Christianity.


Dr. Khanzai’s DNA extraction kit
When our reporters asked the doctor why he was revealing Malala’s real identity now, he said he was convinced that Malala was planted in Swat by anti-Pakistan elements.

He then added that he can also prove that the young man who shot her was not a Pushtun either. “I have his earwax as well,’ he claimed.

After extracting the DNA of the shooter’s earwax, the doctor discovered that he was probably from Italy. He then invited our reporters to look at the man’s earwax under a microscope.

“Those tiny yellow bits that you see in the wax are bits of pizza,” he explained.

The doctor told us that in January 2012 he emailed his findings to some senior members of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the ISI.

After a few days his clinic was raided by the police. He was in Saudi Arabia at the time collecting earwax samples of some members of the Saudi royal family. His staff at the clinic was harassed by the police who wanted to know where he kept the earwax samples.


Pizza?
In June this year, the doctor was visited by a young ISI officer who apologised to him about the police raid and told him that the ISI were well aware of Malala’s real identity. After much coaxing on our part, the doctor eventually gave us the cell phone number of the ISI officer.

However, the officer kept refusing to talk to us but finally relented on the condition that we refer to him as ‘Master X’.

Master X met one of our reporters at an abandoned girls’ school in lower Swat. To hide his face, the officer wore a Spiderman mask.

Talking to the reporter he said: “This had to come out one day. And I just couldn’t let myself continue to keep such a dangerous secret hidden. I am a true patriot.”

He then added: ‘My father once told me, ‘Peter, with great power comes great responsibility’.’


The officer
His revelations led us to our next shocking discovery (with evidence):

• Malala’s shooting was staged by intelligence agencies. The officer told the reporter that the whole shooting incident was a stunt planned by Pakistani and US agencies to pave the way for the Pakistani army’s invasion of North Waziristan: “It was all a drama,” he explained. “It was staged so the Pakistan army would have an excuse to invade North Waziristan.”

When asked why he was using the word ‘invasion’ when North Waziristan was a part of Pakistan, the officer replied: “North Waziristan is an autonomous Islamic Emirates. It has been like that for centuries. But our history books distort the facts and teach our children that it is part of Pakistan. The area has unimaginable amounts of oil, gold, copper, silver, bronze, coal, diamonds, gas and fossilised dinosaur remains underneath its rugged grounds. That’s what the Americans are after.”

Our reporter then asked whether he had any evidence to prove his claim.

The officer pulled out a few photographs and showed it to the reporter. The photographs showed a few bones. “Dinosaur bones,” he explained.

He added: “These were excavated in North Waziristan by the archaeology division of the Taliban. After they were studied by the geology division of the Taliban, it had traces of oil, gold, copper, silver, bronze, coal, diamonds and gas.”


One of the photographs showing dinosaur bones excavated from the grounds of North Waziristan.
What about the evidence proving that the shooting was staged by American and Pakistani agencies?

Pulling out a piece of paper, the officer said: “This is the evidence. It was decoded by the Taliban’s division of quantum physics.”

The paper had screen shots of a brief exchange of tweets on Twitter between one ‘Lib Fish’ and ‘Oil Gul.’

The officer said that Lib Fish was actually a CIA operative based in Qatar and Oil Gul was an ISI sleuth on Twitter based in Lahore. The exchange was intercepted and decoded by one ‘Tsunami Mommy’ who is based in Swabi in the Khyber Pakhtunkwa province in Pakistan and is an engineer by profession.

We are publishing the Twitter exchange between Lib Fish and Oil Gul that was provided to us by the officer:

@LibFish Yo, @OilGul, how goes life?

@OilGul Life’s kool, mate.

@LibFish @OilGul Any chance of visiting Qatar soon?

@OilGul @LibFish Haha. Soon after I’m done with my O level exams. They suck.

@LibFish @OilGul Haha. Yea, they do, don’t they?

The officer told us that Tsunami Mommy jumped in after he realised what was taking place:

@Tsunami_Mommy Agents! I know what you two do. Anti-Islam anti-Pakistan bastaaas. @OilGul @LibFish

@OilGul Dude, who are you? Why are you trolling us?

@Tsunami_Mommy Shup ut fake liberalz fascist agents IK is best you bastaaas NA250 rigging 1 billion fake liberalz votes anti-Pakistan anti-Islam inshallah Nya Bakistan tabdeeli …

The officer said he used famous Pakistani linguist and WW-II code-breaker, Mustansar Hussain Tarar, to decode the suspicious Twitter exchange and that is when he discovered that the CIA and the ISI were planning the fake shooting.

He also gave the reporter the manuscript of the book that Tsunami Mommy was writing on the shooting after piecing together the evidence (with evidence) provided by the doctor, the officer and Mustansar Hussain Tarar.

The book’s title will be ‘A Fake Shooting of a Fake Liberal by a Fake Liberal, You Bastaaas.’

Below is the brief summary of what the manuscript claims:

October 1, 1997: Malala is born to Hungarian parents in Budapest and named Jane.

October 4, 2002: The parents are recruited by the CIA and given a crash course in evangelical Christianity, hypnosis and karate.

October 7, 2003: They land in Pakistan and head for Swat posing as NGO workers. They get in touch with a low-level ISI agent, and convert the family to Christianity, leaving Jane with him. He changes her name to Malala and instils in her the fear of Jesus.

October 30, 2007: Malala starts to write a blog that asks the militants of Swat to put down their weapons, pick up a Bible and boogie.

October 21, 2011: The militants request her to stop writing her evangelical blogs and finish her homework instead.

October 1, 2012: CIA recruits a Pashtu speaking Italian-American loner (Robert) living in New York and gives him a crash course in gun-slinging and acting.

October 7, 2012: CIA shares plan of Malala’s fake shooting with the ISI. The ISI agrees and gives Malala and her parents a briefing.

October 11, 2012: The Italian-America arrives in Swat posing as an Uzbek homeopath.


The fake gunman moments before taking a flight to Pakistan.
October 12, 2012: Robert is given a gun that is loaded with blanks. He intercepts Malala’s school van and fires blanks at her. She pretends to be hit and squeeze opens a small pack of Mitchel’s Tomato Ketchup she is hiding in one of her hands and rubs the ketchup all over her face. A fake ambulance suddenly arrives on the scene and takes away Malala. The world is told that she was shot in the face and head by a Taliban fanatic.

The story that ran in the media quoted Malala’s friends in the van saying that the gunman asked for Malala and then shot her.

But the officer shared with us the testimony of one of Malala’s friends that was repressed by vested interests in the media.

According to the testimony, a man stopped the van and shouted (in Pashtu), ‘who is Jane … I mean, Jeanette … no, Alberta Joan Lucas?’

The girls looked at each other in confusion and the driver was about to drive away when the gunman pulled out a gun and started to shout: ‘Uno momento, un momento …’

Then looking at a girl he asked: ‘You lookin’ at me?’ At which Malala threw down her school bag and shouted (in Italian): ‘No you idiot, I AM lookin’ at you. Malala, Malala, remember? Fool.’

Saying, ‘Oh,’ he shot her (with the blanks).

• The girl that the media was shown in the hospital was not Malala. The officer shared with us some photographs to prove this. He first showed us a video (on his iPhone) that he shot hours after the shooting. It shows Malala joyfully bungee jumping on the hills near River Swat.


Malala bungee jumping hours after she was allegedly ‘shot.’
Then the officer informed us that the doctor had the earwax samples of the girl in the hospital. When we contacted the doctor again and asked what the samples proved he said that the DNA he extracted from the sample suggests that the girl in the hospital was not a girl at all. It was a pillow.

He said he had managed to sneak into the operating room (posing as a postman) and while he was secretly drawing out earwax from the girl’s ears, he managed to take a picture of the girl with his Nokia phone.

‘I came back and was shocked when I enlarged the picture,’ he said.

He then gave us a printout of the picture …


We believe there is now enough evidence for Pakistan and the international community to have a serious re-look at the Malala story and demand that the United Nations orders a full investigation into the matter.

http://dawn.com/news/1048776

 

[DeadlyVenom]

) Amazing!

 

[Robert]

Basically a load of garbage. Surprised the Post published it.

Yeah, that was crash-poor journalism.

 

[IAJ]

No Nobel Prize for Malala, wins Sakharov Prize

I was just reading some papers here in Norway and they are saying Malala Yousafzai is the biggest favourite to win. We will know the answer tomorrow, 11 October.

 

[smoothcriminal]

"October 12, 2012: Robert is given a gun that is loaded with blanks. He intercepts Malala’s school van and fires blanks at her. She pretends to be hit and squeeze opens a small pack of Mitchel’s Tomato Ketchup she is hiding in one of her hands and rubs the ketchup all over her face. A fake ambulance suddenly arrives on the scene and takes away Malala. The world is told that she was shot in the face and head by a Taliban fanatic.

The story that ran in the media quoted Malala’s friends in the van saying that the gunman asked for Malala and then shot her.

But the officer shared with us the testimony of one of Malala’s friends that was repressed by vested interests in the media.

According to the testimony, a man stopped the van and shouted (in Pashtu), ‘who is Jane … I mean, Jeanette … no, Alberta Joan Lucas?’

The girls looked at each other in confusion and the driver was about to drive away when the gunman pulled out a gun and started to shout: ‘Uno momento, un momento …’

Then looking at a girl he asked: ‘You lookin’ at me?’ At which Malala threw down her school bag and shouted (in Italian): ‘No you idiot, I AM lookin’ at you. Malala, Malala, remember? Fool.’

Saying, ‘Oh,’ he shot her (with the blanks).


Gold!

 

[GenericBrand]

All of a sudden, the haters will be proud of this accomplishment, then after a few days the same old same old.

 

[pakistanalltheway]

haha epic

 

[Nostalgic]

Nobel Peace Prize 2013: Malala one of the biggest favourites

No, the haters will hate her, just like they hate the first one to have won it.

 

[amax]

NFP at his best )

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A lot of places may deserve that image, and I think Pakistan is certainly one of them.

Yes I agree, that it's a shameful and barbaric image of Pakistan that is portrayed when Malala is the focus of attention, which is why I didn't understand how someone would say it was good for the image of the country. It's a terrible image, not something to rejoice in or be proud of.

 

[BeingFaridKhan]

Malala Wins Top Sakharov Prize Day Before Nobel Peace Prize to Be Announced

Sixteen-year-old Malala Yousafzai, a passionate advocate for peace and education who was shot in the head by the Taliban on her way home from school, has been awarded the Sakharov human rights prize.
Malala, who is from Pakistan and now lives in England, is also a contender for the Nobel Peace Prize, to be announced tomorrow. In receiving the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought, she will joins the likes of former Secretary General to the United Nations Kofi Annan and Nelson Mandela in receiving the $65,000 prize, handed out by the European Parliament.
“By awarding the Sakharov Prize to Malala Yousafzai, the European Parliament acknowledges the incredible strength of this young woman,” Martin Schulz, president of the European Parliament, said in a statement.
Malala has become a household name around the world for her unrelenting advocacy of girls’ education. She has been outspoken on this issue for years with schools in the Swat Valley, a region of northwestern Pakistan, which is regularly attacked by the Taliban.
After being shot in October 2012, Malala was sent to the United Kingdom for emergency surgery and has subsequently settled in the English city of Birmingham.
The attack has not silenced Malala, and this week she published a memoir and gave several high-profile interviews, including one to ABC’s Diane Sawyer. In Pakistan she has drawn criticism from a section of the right wing, who accuse her of folding to Western political pressure and culture. It’s an accusation she vehemently denies.
In the statement given by Schulz, he highlighted the strength Malala has shown. “Malala bravely stands for the rights of all children to be granted a fair education. This right for girls is too commonly neglected.”
The Sakharov human rights prize was created in 1988 to honor Andrei Sakharov, a Soviet physicist and dissident. Also among the nominees this year were three Belarusian dissidents and former NSA employee Edward Snowden.
Malala is currently in New York and will find out tomorrow whether she will win the Nobel Peace Prize. She will receive the Sakharov Prize at a ceremony in Strasburg on Nov. 20.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-sakharov-prize-day-before-nobel-peace-prize/

 

[Nostalgic]

Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

Yes I agree, that it's a shameful and barbaric image of Pakistan that is portrayed when Malala is the focus of attention, which is why I didn't understand how someone would say it was good for the image of the country. It's a terrible image, not something to rejoice in or be proud of.

I said it was good for the country's image that someone like her gets to be the face of the country, someone to have overcome that sort of adversity and to have taken the maulvis head on. Quite unlike the image as it was/is, that were a country that harbors them with nary a whimper of protest from any quarter.

 

[CrowingRooster]

Good on her.

 

[CrowingRooster]

Deserves the honour of the prize if she gets it.

 

[Major]

haters are not literate enough to know the value of a nobel prize

 

[GenericBrand]

No, the haters will hate her, just like they hate the first one to have won it.

No, they will dance and chant "Pride of Pakistan" and "She has made Pakistan proud" for a few days then it will be back to the CIA agent stories.