Malala Yousafzai - Mega Discussion Thread

I said it was good for the country's image that someone like her gets to be the face of the country, someone to have overcome that sort of adversity and to have taken the maulvis head on. Quite unlike the image as it was/is, that were a country that harbors them with nary a whimper of protest from any quarter.

So if the vast majority of Pakistan harbours the these Taliban vermin without barely a protest, what does that tell you about them as a nation? These are people deserving of the hatred and contempt coming their way without a doubt.
 
:))) nadeem paracha! Wonderful writer.
 
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Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

So if the vast majority of Pakistan harbours the these Taliban vermin without barely a protest, what does that tell you about them as a nation? These are people deserving of the hatred and contempt coming their way without a doubt.

I didn't say the "vast majority" does actually harbor them, just that they us the perception. And it isn't as if mullah lovers are in short supply in our country.
 
Malala: We must talk to the Taliban to get peace

The pitfalls and drawbacks of an online forum... Hard to always gauge someone's tone and intent ;)
 
Gandhi never won this prize. Why? Because of politics, because the people behind the prize had to suck British balls. Recently they gave it to Obama - who nearly bombed Syria and was only stopped because Russian political solution to the problem.

Now they want to give it to Malala because she speaks against Taliban - who has been named the evil by mass media - in the fight with the west. I am not saying Taliban are not bad. In fact they are, but I am tired of this black and white picture that the mass media in this west has created.

A bigger personality is the American who disclosed classified details of several top-secret United States and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. Nobody cares about him. You know why? Don't be so naive and make national holiday because the west once again fools you.
 
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Nobel prize has a lot of value, and if Malala wins she deserves it.

Haters can cry in a corner but she is a beacon of hope for Pakistan. The conservative Mullahs in Pak will always hate her because she wants education as a priority. This should be Pakistans top priority after security.
 
Malala is a very deserving candidate but is should be Putin for his role in averting the Syria crisis.
 
Nobel Peace Prize 2013: Malala one of the biggest favourites

If she gets it, it is because she is an agent. if she doesn't, it gets complicated. Did they refuse it because "they" hate Muslims? Or because "they" are so biased they can't even give it to one of their own Muslim agents? Or because they want "us" to think that she isn't an agent.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
Noble peace prize lost credibility as soon as Obama won it.

Surprised that people actually look forward to it.
 
Its pretty scary that if you follow the link to the actual article in the dawn and read the comments there, some people believe the story to be true :facepalm:
 
Its pretty scary that if you follow the link to the actual article in the dawn and read the comments there, some people believe the story to be true :facepalm:

Given the OPs track record on the Malala issue I think he did too but will obviously deny it now.
 
If she gets it, it is because she is an agent. if she doesn't, it gets complicated. Did they refuse it because "they" hate Muslims? Or because "they" are so biased they can't even give it to one of their own Muslim agents? Or because they want "us" to think that she isn't an agent.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Yes I agree, that it's a shameful and barbaric image of Pakistan that is portrayed when Malala is the focus of attention, which is why I didn't understand how someone would say it was good for the image of the country. It's a terrible image, not something to rejoice in or be proud of.

I agree and this is essentially why people have a problem with it - especially feeble nationalists (nationalism really is a plague) - and there are two course of action; we either reform and fix that image, or we suppress voices like and put on make up to hide the true ugly face that exists beneath...

Look, a lot of places have negative images - India is known as the epicenter of rape ... but that doesn't mean that they should be silent about it, and I don't think you are suggesting that either, but that seems to be the view that many people have.
 
And kid, where have I said she should stop advocating education. QUOTE AND BOLD that part...

Here you are:

Its getting over the top now. We had her story - we condemned it. We have listened/read her views - and truly appreciate them. But please its enough now, she'll only lose her value from this zenith. I just hope the 'education icon' Malala is not turned around radically one day to 'victim icon' for foreign forces to run through Pakistan, on the pretense of saving any other Malalas.

:facepalm: If there are CIA Operatives in Pakistan and drone strikes occurring, then we are genuinely protesting for our right to sovereignty. If its happening, doesn't legitimize it, genius!

And secondly, I didn't likened Malala to celebrity anywhere, its how you people see it. We have had her message, we appreciated it. Just stop repeating it again and again. Repetition loses value, no?

I don't know how old you are, and I frankly don't care, but really... your memory can't be that bad?

Ah, the petty mind of the nationalist: people who value a piece of real estate more than any real principles, what shallow minds.
 
It's satire, but it's not really too far from reality in terms of what people ACTUALLY think...
 
Basically these are some of the BRILLIANT points being articulated

1) Repetition loses value :facepalm:
2) Malala has peaked - will lose her value (hahaha Malala is Sachin Tendulkar apparently)
3) West will use her as an excuse to invade Pakistan (Do they need an excuse? Have they really been waiting all that time thinking, "Hmmm, we will invade Pakistan but only when a 14 year old established blogger for the BBC gets shot and miraculously survives so we can use her as an excuse.") :facepalm:
4) She is making Pakistan look bad (How pathetically superficial)
 
If she gets it, it is because she is an agent. if she doesn't, it gets complicated. Did they refuse it because "they" hate Muslims? Or because "they" are so biased they can't even give it to one of their own Muslim agents? Or because they want "us" to think that she isn't an agent.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Well said!

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People are right - the award did lose credibility when Obama won it.

It's still a richly deserved honor for Malala though.
 
Malala is a traitor. And am afraid she is going to be around in the news for a long long time ridiculing both Islam and Pakistan on the World Stage.
 
They love awarding Peace Prizes to those who are their agents in battle against Islam. I bet the plan was hatched well before the Girl was even shot ( fake ).
 
If she gets it, it is because she is an agent. if she doesn't, it gets complicated. Did they refuse it because "they" hate Muslims? Or because "they" are so biased they can't even give it to one of their own Muslim agents? Or because they want "us" to think that she isn't an agent.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

:))) Gold lol
 
Malala Yousafzai has done 'nothing' to earn rights prize: Taliban

MIRANSHAH (Pakistan): The Pakistani Taliban today said teenage activist Malala Yousafzai had done "nothing" to deserve a prestigious EU rights award and vowed to try again to kill her.

"She has done nothing.The enemies of Islam are awarding her because she has left Islam and has become secular," Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)spokesman Shahidullah Shahid told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.

"She is getting awards because she is working against Islam. Her struggle against Islam is the main reason of getting these awards."

Her autobiography "I am Malala", written with journalist Christina Lamb, has gone on sale in Pakistan and Shahid warned the Taliban would target bookshops stocking it.

"Malala is the enemy of Islam and Taliban and she wrote this book against Islam and Taliban," he said.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/pak...rights-prize-Taliban/articleshow/23910812.cms

I dont support any Taliban but there is little doubt to suggest that Malala is indeed garnering a lot of support from people and society who already have a deep prejudice against Islam.

If she is really the " Voice of oppression " the West makes her out to be then why doesnt she ever condemn the drone killings in Pakistan ?
 
Then it's "muslims" like you who are at fault for not giving her support. Education is a virtue that has constantly been held in high esteem by Islam. So is the virtue of speaking out against oppression. If anything, Malala upholds the virtues of Islam while feeble minded folk like you do your best to insult the very religion you claim to be a part of...
 
That funny moment when Taliban give their valuable opinion over who deserves the Peace awards and who doesnt.
 
Nobel Peace Prize 2013: Malala one of the biggest favourites

Here's another theory. "Straight out of left field," as "they" are wont to say:

"They" want "us" to think she's an agent. That way, we will do the exact opposite of what they want.

It is as credible as any other theory. What say the chattering classes?
 
Re: Nobel Peace Prize 2013: Malala one of the biggest favourites

Gandhi never won this prize. Why? Because of politics, because the people behind the prize had to suck British balls. Recently they gave it to Obama - who nearly bombed Syria and was only stopped because Russian political solution to the problem.

Now they want to give it to Malala because she speaks against Taliban - who has been named the evil by mass media - in the fight with the west. I am not saying Taliban are not bad. In fact they are, but I am tired of this black and white picture that the mass media in this west has created.

A bigger personality is the American who disclosed classified details of several top-secret United States and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. Nobody cares about him. You know why? Don't be so naive and make national holiday because the west once again fools you.

If you really cared about the guy who disclosed and classified material, you would know that Edward Snowden is also a nominee......

You yourself dont care about him and then go on to say that the west is fooling us. I could clearly who the real fool is here

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Gandhi never won this prize. Why? Because of politics, because the people behind the prize had to suck British balls. Recently they gave it to Obama - who nearly bombed Syria and was only stopped because Russian political solution to the problem.

Now they want to give it to Malala because she speaks against Taliban - who has been named the evil by mass media - in the fight with the west. I am not saying Taliban are not bad. In fact they are, but I am tired of this black and white picture that the mass media in this west has created.

A bigger personality is the American who disclosed classified details of several top-secret United States and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. Nobody cares about him. You know why? Don't be so naive and make national holiday because the west once again fools you.

This !

Though I dont like Gandhi as a personality either . When people like Edhi are ignored and Malala Yousufzai and Obama considered more worthy of it , it just tells you the peace prize has no value . Not that Edhi needs the prize , but for its own credibilty , the award needs Edhi or Dr Rizvi and many others who have done more to serve humanity .

A man who gave dead bodies found in gutters abandoned by their own relatives a proper funeral himself , treated and helped people during the 90s operations in Karachi to helping the Balochistan earthquake victims recently . Criminals stopped firing at each other until Edhi ambulance was safely out of sight to cause their workers no harm . How many abandoned seniors , babies , children and women would be homeless without him ?

A man like Dr Rizvi who runs a kidney centre for all in a city that has been crippled with ethnic violence for free . You can get the best treatment available in the country at SIUT for free . You will believe it when you see people from as far as KP come and live on the main road in tents because their family member is admitted there .

You could give Imran Khan the Peace Prize and he would look more worthy compared to Yousufzai .

From Alamgir Trust to Sailani Trust to Aman Foundation to Shaukat Khanum to KKF foundation , many foundations are keeping this country from completely falling apart . We are talking about a country where you are not provided any medical facility and the country is being bombed and droned every day .

Yes , I am sorry to disappoint you all but I really do think there are more deserving people out there , even in Pakistan . You guys , sitting in the West , who have not been to Pakistan obviously have no clue and think this girl really is the best thing to have happened to Pakistan .

You want to talk about education sector , if education is more important than saving a human life ? Look up The Citizens Foundation .

Yousufzai only talks about changing lives but TCF has DONE this .

http://tribune.com.pk/story/556897/the-road-less-travelled-from-ismail-goth-to-harvard-front-page/

KARACHI: “If someone had told me ten years ago, that one day I will be going to Harvard, I would have asked them what Harvard was,” stated 23-year old Anum Fatima in a gentle but poised tone.

Seated amidst endless volumes of books in the library at The Citizens Foundation, a place she calls “her second home”, the young achiever described her current state of mind as that of ‘nervous excitement’.

Hailing from Ismail Goth, a slum near Steel Town, Fatima is currently enrolled in the MBA programme at Institute of Business Management, Karachi and will be attending the summer school at Harvard University at the end of June. The three-month programme, an initiative by the US-Pakistan Women Council will allow her to attend classes at Harvard University and also provide her with internship opportunities.

There is a reason people living in Pakistan are calling her Malala Dramazai and hating her . No , it is not because they are jahil , it is because you are . It is because they live there and know better people deserve this recognition in their country right now .

I don`t wish anything bad for her . I would rather have her educate herself and then try to change the lives of the people in Pakistan . Right now , she is too young . I appreciate the ideas but let the kid be kid . Stop ruining her childhood .
 
I am guessing they feel they should be getting the award for making her popular ? I hope they have learned their lesson here . If you did not try and kill a schoolgirl , no one would know her . She would not be getting all this attention that you want . So just stahp , k ?
 
NFP brilliant as usual. but i am afraid people will take that as truth.

Its a satire people. S A T I R E
 
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There is a reason people living in Pakistan are calling her Malala Dramazai and hating her . No , it is not because they are jahil , it is because you are . It is because they live there and know better people deserve this recognition in their country right now .

I don`t wish anything bad for her . I would rather have her educate herself and then try to change the lives of the people in Pakistan . Right now , she is too young . I appreciate the ideas but let the kid be kid . Stop ruining her childhood .

People call her Malala Dramazai because other people deserve the recognition...?

That makes little sense... why does that statement have to degrade Malala?

Also, who are you to say that her childhood is being ruined? And what does age have to do with this?
 
If you really cared about the guy who disclosed and classified material, you would know that Edward Snowden is also a nominee......

You yourself dont care about him and then go on to say that the west is fooling us. I could clearly who the real fool is here

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really well said.
 
I think you are wrong here - we are not supporting her for these reasons alone. We simply encourage her - and all other proactive teens - to take the democratic avenue to fulfill her desires.

I myself wouldn't vote for her - 1) she's a far far left socialist 2) she's an idealist.

Regardless, grace, poise, dignity, etc. aren't gender characteristics. You are essentially wrong by implying that we view those qualities in a sex related context. If Malala was a boy with those characteristics we would still encourage him regardless.

Whether these qualities are superficial - you are correct. In an idealized world they would not matter, but in the real world, these qualities are essential for any politician.



But above all - and the point that he conveniently ignores - is the fact that he is implying that a woman should stop speaking about education simply because the west "might", in a fantasy situation use that excuse out of the many other more practical excuses as a means to invade Pakistan.

The fact that he can't support that RIDICULOUS line of logic, whether it come from a 10 year old, 15 year old, 60 year old, or his grandpa, shows how intellectually hollow his argument really is. Don't waste your time.
That was a lame post.The west will invade Pakistan because of this girl.:facepalm:
 
Malala Yousafzai has done 'nothing' to earn rights prize: Taliban

At the height of the Cold War, the Soviets instituted the Lenin Peace Prize as a rival to the Nobel. There were notable and worthy recipients too: Faiz Sb, Edhi, Sartre, Neruda, Mandela etc.

What the mullahs should do is create an Ibn Taymiyya Memorial Prize. Dish it out to all these luminaries of the terroristic galaxy. Posthumous awards acceptable too, what with the preponderance of suicide bombers. Cash paid out in Saudi petrodollars, a trophy shaped like a Kalashnikov, burka-clad hotties bringing the trophy out, the works.
 
Malala is a traitor. And am afraid she is going to be around in the news for a long long time ridiculing both Islam and Pakistan on the World Stage.

What a cringeworthy post.Come on,use your brain cells for a change.How is promoting female wducation against Pakistan and Islam?
 
Malala Yousafzai and the White Saviour Complex

The narrative preferred by the masses is that they are plants too (parasitic weeds, more like). So they've been told to say that, to give the story credibility. Everyone is a plant these days. No wonder Pakistan is positively booming, sorry, blooming.
 
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^ Malala - three A's in her name right? - what else has 3 A's? Benjamin Nethanyahu's name does. This proves once again that Malala is a Jewish conspiracy.
 
That funny moment when Taliban give their valuable opinion over who deserves the Peace awards and who doesnt.

Haha. Yes. Exactly.

They certainly have a very warped interpretation of Islam. Some Muslims highlight the West, Israel and India as the main threats to Islam, but the extremists of Islam are far more dangerous to its own future than any outside force.
 
Problem is that we allow Jahils like the Taliban air time.
 
Malala is a superb representative.

People talk about her ridiculing Islam and Pakistan, but that is nonsense and incidentally some of these very people with their disgusting opinions are the ones really making a mockery of themselves.
 
Heck, she's been all over the news this past week hasn't she? The entire page of this forum has close to a dozen threads on her.
 
No apposite reply thus far addressing the contents of the article, and why you disagree with it. Dissing something as "offensive" and "garbage" would carry a lot more weight if its supported by proper critique.
 
Re: Malala Yousafzai and the White Saviour Complex

The point of the article is still legit no?

That the issue was given the spotlight in western media as a good publicity campaign to try and justify why foreign intervention is needed in these 'backward' countries?

All the journalistic and white man burden crap aside - that is still what happened.

I don't remember this media hoopla around the Yvonne White case where she basically said the Taliban ain't that bad and treated her really well.

I think the article is just trying to point out double standards. No matter how poorly conveyed. The point still stands.

I'd suggest ignore the way it is written and argue the point.
 
Re: Malala Yousafzai and the White Saviour Complex

Tragic part of it all is Malala probably thinks she's doing such a good thing going around and being a voice for women and girls worldwide.

She probably is doing more harm than good to her fellow nationals in Pak. All it is doing is allowing the foreign forces like the States to feel good and justified about their countless war crimes abroad.
 
Have you got the man flu today Saqib? Dire and disappointing posting.
 
No apposite reply thus far addressing the contents of the article, and why you disagree with it. Dissing something as "offensive" and "garbage" would carry a lot more weight if its supported by proper critique.

The appalling 4th paragraph of your article entirely discredits its stance. It doesn't deserve proper critique. I've seen more subtle, developed and mature analysis in the Daily Mail. This is why you have had a negative response. Perhaps you will come round to sense one day, although your posting this week suggests there is some way to go.
 
The appalling 4th paragraph of your article entirely discredits its stance. It doesn't deserve proper critique. I've seen more subtle, developed and mature analysis in the Daily Mail. This is why you have had a negative response. Perhaps you will come round to sense one day, although your posting this week suggests there is some way to go.

Get around the term "white man" and look beyond racist title. Replace the words "white man" with "westerns" if it pleases and now speak on the dual standards specifically.

You'll only get to see negative responses when mods keep deleting posts slightly anti-Malala. Speaking of Talibans and their impositions, meh :facepalm:
 
Why should I replace a racial term with the word 'western'? The writer doesn't deserve that service from me, and it would hardly make the article sound any less biased and general.
 
People unnecessarily intertwine issues and sell themselves short even though they can think beyond amateur logic. TTP did infact impose an archaic system when they were allowed to rule in SWAT in 2009. All schools for women were closed amongst other things. Here’s an article posted January 2009 of situation in SWAT.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx...

How did Malala become popular? Not because she was shot but because she wrote for BBC urdu and actively raised voice against TTP. Eventually it took the full might of the army to wipe them out of the area. So Malala won a National Peace Award in 2011 (before she got shot) for raising voice against TTP in 2009 and became national symbol. But she still got shot after SWAT was apparently a safe place again! I think we have become numb because of the state of chaos in Pakistan but how tragic is it that a 12 year old child (in 2009) raised her voice against TTP while everyone else gave up, then moved back in 2010 but then got shot anyway! If that is not the failure of the government in protecting right of education then what is?

Of course the “West” as you say will have a field day because we as a nation have failed to protect our precious. They can hijack her message all day long but at the surface she has become even more a symbol of our need for education and our desperate need for introspection on how we have failed as a state. It is preciously for this reason that in perpetual self-denial of our failure to protect and promote our youth to their basic needs that we resort to the “White savior complex” and “drone attacks’ just so we can for one more second not think about the basic fact that we failed to protect a special kid just because she wanted education.
 
Malala Yousafzai = Nurse Nayirah?

Google "Nurse Nayirah" if you don't know already. Here's a brief summary:

In August 1990 there was conflict between Iraq and Kuwait, mostly over oil fields as Saddam Hussein accused Kuwaitis of theft of these resources.

On October 10th the whole world turned its eyes toward a fifteen-year old girl named Nayirah, who wept profusely as she talked about inhumane crimes committed by Iraqi soldiers. Nayirah stated that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and killed 300 babies. The dramatic speech touched the hearts of viewers and managed to drum up overwhelming support for the involvement of the United States in this conflict and the outbreak of the Gulf War. Though reporters did not then have access to Kuwait, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.

When the battle dust settled, In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah’s last name was Al-Saba. Quickly it became apparent that the sobbing girl in front of millions of viewers was the daughter of Sheikh Saud Nasser Al-Saud Al-Sabah – Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States and a member of the royal family. The child was handed to PR whizzes – Hill & Knowlton company, where she passed a course in comprehensive acting training. It had to work out – the company bosses signed an $11.9 million contract with the Kuwaiti royal family.

The task was simple — to persuade the U.S. military to take action against Iraq.

Nayirah lied. IT WORKED.
 
If you really cared about the guy who disclosed and classified material, you would know that Edward Snowden is also a nominee......

You yourself dont care about him and then go on to say that the west is fooling us. I could clearly who the real fool is here

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I know he is nominated, but nobody mentions him. He was also nominated for the europeans price for freedom of speech or something like that, but Malala won.
 
Disclaimer: I appreciate Malala's message of education and peace. However, I'm just wary of how she has been hijacked by the west.
 
Nurse Nayirah was a young Kuwaiti woman who, in the run up to the 1990-91 Gulf war, gave fraudulent testimony to a non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990. She was presented as a 15 year old volunteer nursing assistant who needed to hide her identity for security reasons.
In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Sabah and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States and member of the Kuwaiti royal family who had been sitting just a few feet from her as she gave her evidence. It was further revealed that she was not in Kuwait at the time of the invasion and her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by the advertising and PR firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government.

Nayirah al-Sabah's testimony is now acknowledged as having been the most spectacular and effective stunt in a $10 million bought-and-paid-for campaign of cynical wartime propaganda orchestrated by the Kuwaiti government, which arguably swung the balance in what was a close Congressional vote on the use of the US military against the Iraqi invasion.

In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not have access to Kuwait at the time, her testimony was regarded as credible and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War and it had a massive impact on both US and Western public opinion about the impending war.

Following the war, human rights investigators attempted to confirm Nayirah's story and could find no witnesses or other evidence to support it. Amnesty International first defended the story ("believes there is compelling evidence of large-scale killing of incubator babies" 21st March 1991) and then (13 June 1991) reluctantly "examined the conflicting evidence and concluded that the story did not stand up", condemning as offensive the implication from Alexander Cockburn that financial interests had influenced their impartial advocacy of human rights.
 
so your trying to say is that Malala’s real name is Jane and she was born in Hungary in 1997. Her real biological parents were Christian missionaries who, after traveling to Swat in 2002, left Malala as a gift to her adopted parents after they secretly converted to Christianity.
 
Do u think no matter how extreme or barbaric TTP are, will they blow up mosques?

I have never understood this logic. Islam prohibits killing innocent women and children too. Yet these guys do it again and again. Why do you keep on bringing blowing up mosques when these people break every other tenant of Islam too? If they can justify killing innocent children, they can justify blowing up mosques too
 
Her view on the Pakistani army is that they kill innocent people instead of catching real Taliban. They should do proper investigation she says.
 
Lols the media here has now OPCW AS the biggest favourite.
 
Her view on the Pakistani army is that they kill innocent people instead of catching real Taliban. They should do proper investigation she says.

If that is in fact her opinion of the Pakistani Army, she is absolutely spot on about them.

Back on topic, it would be a truly well deserved award if she gets it. Let the Jahils who see a conspiracy in everything, from the moon landing to them getting a quarterpounder with one slice of cheese instead of two, go forth and multiply.
 
No Nobel Prize for Malala

Thank god some sanity. No Nobel Prize for Malala. I respect what she has been doing, she is a brave girl, but the western Media has just exploited her.
 
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