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Misbah-ul-Haq vs Iftikhar Ahmed vs Mohammad Rizwan: Who is the bigger bottler?

Who is the bigger bottler?

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3 of the biggest bottlers to ever represent Pakistan cricket, so which of these 3 are worse?

I'll list some of their notable innings but not all

Misbah

1) Bottled the game against India in the 2007 Final where he scored couldn't get Pakistan over the line despite only 6 of 4 needed.

2) Semi Final against India in 2011: When Misbah Walked in, Pakistan were 103 of 3 in 23 overs. 27 overs were remaining and only 158 were needed to get Pakistan over the line yet, Misbah plays a slow as molasses innings, and by the time he departed, game was already over. Wickets kept falling at the other end because he kept taking strike away from himself. And even gave it to tail enders numerous times.

3) 27th feburary 2012: Pakistan vs England, England has only made 129, By the time misbah walked in, Pakistan were well ahead of the run rate, only 60 more to chase of 43 deliveries with wickets in hand. Misbah ends up scoring at less then 5 rr and leaves Pakistan to get 6 of the last ball and obviously isn't able to get Pakistan over the line.

This game was such an embrassment that Misbah himself was forced to retire by PCB and never play a t20 game again.

4) The game thar happened today in the final against Indian champions, You already know what Misbah did lol.

Rizwan

1) Asia cup 2022: Sri lanka despite scoring 170, Bowled 11 extras before the first ball was even bowled leaving a total of 159 to chase in t20 overs. Fakhar and Babar had departed early, Which left both chacha and rizwan over 16.3 overs to chase down 137 as both bobby and fakhar collectively put 22 extra on the board before departing in 3.3 overs.

What did these 2 do? By the time they departed, Pakistan had to chase down 60 of 24? With tail enders at the crease? Lol.

2) India vs Pakistan 2024: India had scored 119 on a minefield NY pitch. It was important to provide a Pant like start to have any chance of chasing it down. What did rizwan do? Score 31 of 44 and depart leaving inad wasim with tail enders to chase down 119 with bumrah and axar patel, 2 bowlers who didn't even let sunil marine score on IPl batting paradise roads to chase down a tough total on a mine field pitch.

Chacha

1) Asia cup 2022, same as rizwan.

2) The less said about his super over antics against Zimbabwe and USA the better.

These are just a few notable examples, However these 3 are easily the 3 biggest bottlers Pakistan has ever had. Now the question is, Which one is the worst.
 
All time pakistan bottler 11

1) Rizwan (WK)
2) Nasir Jamshed
3) Asad Shafiq
4) Misbah ul Haq
5) Shadab Khan
6) Iftikhar Ahmed
7) Muhammad Nawaz
8) Usama Mir
9) Mohammad Sami
10) Rahat Ali
11) Muhammad Irfan

^^ Be is Mohammad semi's frequent No balls, Usama amir's drop catches and trash bowling, Shadab Khan always removing pressure from the opposition, Rahat Ali dropping catches and being a run machine, Muhammad irfan dropping from the sky, nawaz bottling final overs, Misbah and rizzu bottling tournament finals or knockouts and jamshed and shafiq being bumbling morons
 
Mesozoic said:
How was 2007 a bottle job though?

Pakistan were set to lose by 50 runs in that final if not for Misbah.
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Come of it mate, 5 runs were required of 4 deliveries. Misbah threw away his wicket. It wasn't a wicket taking delivery, it came on his legs, Why on earth is he sweeping it when he knows full well theirs a fielder their and its risky to clear to over his head.

Just nudge it down like a normal human being and take a double.
 
Mesozoic said:
How was 2007 a bottle job though?

Pakistan were set to lose by 50 runs in that final if not for Misbah.
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The bottle job was that when there was no pressure and Pakistan were expected to lose, Misbah hit out, and then when all of a sudden there was pressure again and there was a realistic chance of winning, he bottled it.

Unfortunately, a lot of so called fans made him in to an overnight hero for this bottle job, and that became Misbah’s template to hoodwink the fans over and over again.

Many times he would just scratch around with his legendary tuk tuk, and when there was nothing to play for, he would just hit out. Docile fans became - oh look at this lone warrior.

Disgusting.
 
TheSultan said:
The bottle job was that when there was no pressure and Pakistan were expected to lose, Misbah hit out, and then when all of a sudden there was pressure again and there was a realistic chance of winning, he bottled it.

Unfortunately, a lot of so called fans made him in to an overnight hero for this bottle job, and that became Misbah’s template to hoodwink the fans over and over again.

Many times he would just scratch around with his legendary tuk tuk, and when there was nothing to play for, he would just hit out. Docile fans became - oh look at this lone warrior.

Disgusting.
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His worst innings is his 2012 feburary innings against England.

It was so horrifically bad that even PCB who are devoted misbah lovers had to step in and kick him out of t20 for good.

Their was literally no way on earth you could possibly lose that game.

Seriously how do you go from chasing 50 of 44 with 7 wickets in hand to requiring 6 of the last ball and not even getting it with misbah on strike?

That innings was such an atrocious piece of work.
 
@mominsaigol - I think it has to be Misbah.

Rizwan is up there, but Rizwan is also a product of the Misbah mentality - let’s just call it for what it is - Misbahism.

Misbahism has destroyed our cricket and he’s not done yet. Rumours circulating he’ll be back in a prominent position with the PCB again soon.
 
TheSultan said:
@mominsaigol - I think it has to be Misbah.

Rizwan is up there, but Rizwan is also a product of the Misbah mentality - let’s just call it for what it is - Misbahism.

Misbahism has destroyed our cricket and he’s not done yet. Rumours circulating he’ll be back in a prominent position with the PCB again soon.
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Maybe as an Opener in t20 or No 4 in odi cause those are his favourite positions and he obsessively gets them by being Pakistan's darling.

I remember rizwan from before he opened and before he got his favourite positions in odi aka when he was forced to bat at 5 to 7.

He would frequently bottle every situation you could think of. Bangladesh 2015-2016 odi series where we got whitewashed was hilarious from rizzu.

For a while despite Sarfi being VC of t20 Afridi promoted rizwan to play t20 in a few games at no 4 and rizwan bottled those games so miserably.

Rizwan at no 4 may have his one and only 131 in wc that his loyal fans will cling onto, and at opening he may perform against b strings, but it's primarily because he's gotten his favourite positions by begging and destroying Fakhar's, haris sohail and Saud Shakeel's career in the process.
 
Chacha is just an oldie who is shot, it’s actually pretty cute that so many uncles love him and remind them of the glory days, it’s even cuter the uncles will defend him like their grandpa and present him as a better option then Sharjeel. So I will allow Chacha, perhaps he was a famous finisher in Pakistan once upon a time before the effects of dementia.

Rizwan is a product of the Misbah Ul Haq school of thought, the base of his game is driven on cowardice and exploiting the few strengths he has, opposed to rising above his weaknesses. An extremely weak cricketer mentally. He has never truly delivered when the chips were down and the man has a very insincere personality.

Misbah Ul Haq, or should I call him Chak De India’s favourite son. Selfish, huge ego and no true love for Pakistan besides using his nation to try and achieve ulterior motives. The man never truly recovered from flopping in the 07 final, and since that humiliation, he has been taking out the pain of his failure on Pakistan cricket, nothing truly made up for it and we’ve seen him cause more and more damage, choke after choke, and even in retirement, he has maligned Pakistan with his depraved rhetoric / style of play. Without Misbah there is no Babar or Rizwan; like father like sons. So my vote is for Misbah.
 
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Rizwan is always thinking about the stunts he wants to pull off after winning a game, or the political/religious tweets or speeches he wants to make even before the game is won.

Biggest fraud in the history of Pakistan cricket. Extremely divisive figure.
 
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Rana said:
Rizwan is always thinking about the stunts he wants to pull off after winning a game, or the political/religious tweets or speeches he wants to make even before the game is won.

Biggest fraud in the history of Pakistan cricket. Extremely divisive figure. I would call him a Fitna 2.0
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The problem is, Because Rizwan opens, his supporters can make excuses, While With misbah because he batted at no 5 and sometimes at 6, their wasn't any excuse.

For example, Pakistan needed 137 of 17 overs with 8 wickets in hand in Asia Cup 2022 final and both chacha and rizzu at the crease, by the time these 2 departed, Pakistan needed to chase 60 of 24 with brand new batsmen at the crease and one of those batters being shadab lol.

But unlike Misbah people Can say, rizwan scored 55 of 49 and chacha scored 32 of 31, The new batsmen should have chased 60 of 24, so these 2 didn't bottle.

Same with the india game this wc. Very easy to blame lower order of shadab, Imad, and whoever bats lower, but use the whole rizzu did his job as an opener excuse and use the chacha age and reactions excuse for defense.

Atleast with Misbah it was more transparent due to the position he would bat in and how he'd bottle it by taking the game to the end, whereas rizwan makes sure to vanish way way way before the end, but by the time he vanishes, the rr is impossible for anyone to chase down. Even quality batters like butler wouldn't be able to chase 60 of 24 every game lol while being brand new at the crease, They'd do it once or twice, not every time, and certainly not a fresh shadab.
 
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shaz619 said:
Chacha is just an oldie who is shot, it’s actually pretty cute that so many uncles love him and remind them of the glory days, it’s even cuter the uncles will defend him like their grandpa and present him as a better option then Sharjeel. So I will allow Chacha, perhaps he was a famous finisher in Pakistan once upon a time before the effects of dementia.

Rizwan is a product of the Misbah Ul Haq school of thought, the base of his game is driven on cowardice and exploiting the few strengths he has, opposed to rising above his weaknesses. An extremely weak cricketer mentally. He has never truly delivered when the chips were down and the man has a very insincere personality.

Misbah Ul Haq, or should I call him Chak De India’s favourite son. Selfish, huge ego and no true love for Pakistan besides using his nation to try and achieve ulterior motives. The man never truly recovered from flopping in the 07 final, and since that humiliation, he has been taking out the pain of his failure on Pakistan cricket, nothing truly made up for it and we’ve seen him cause more and more damage, choke after choke, and even in retirement, he has maligned Pakistan with his depraved rhetoric / style of play. Without Misbah there is no Babar or Riswan; like father like sons. So my vote is for Misbah.
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Amazing post and perfectly summed up
 
@mominsaigol yeah, nice try.
Now that your Sharjeel-Akmal jazba, junoon eleven has failed start a thread about how big a bottler Misbah is.

Do you know, Sharjeel was outscored by Bell, Uthappa, Pathan and he is a current player playing with retired oldies who are now in a different profession.
 
Why would you even ask this question LOL. JUST say the IFTIKHAR is the biggest bottler of the other 2. Misbah faulted in 2007 but IFFI faulted in every game.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
@mominsaigol yeah, nice try.
Now that your Sharjeel-Akmal jazba, junoon eleven has failed start a thread about how big a bottler Misbah is.

Do you know, Sharjeel was outscored by Bell, Uthappa, Pathan and he is a current player playing with retired oldies who are now in a different profession.
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And? Pak Champions reached the final qith sharjeel ending in the top 5 highest run scorers while pakistan main team got eliminated by minnows and none of them even top scored and were terrible?
 
mominsaigol said:
And? Pak Champions reached the final qith sharjeel ending in the top 5 highest run scorers while pakistan main team got eliminated by minnows and none of them even top scored and were terrible?
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Tbf Sharjeel was facing retired fat players of other teams.

It's extremely doubtful he can replicate this stuff against full strength sides at the end of his dwindling (swindling?) career.

Although, Babar and Rizwan would stat pad here also and knock Pakistan out even before semis.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Tbf Sharjeel was facing retired fat players of other teams.

It's extremely doubtful he can replicate this stuff against full strength sides at the end of his dwindling (swindling?) career.

Although, Babar and Rizwan would stat pad here also and knock Pakistan out even before semis.
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I never even wanted Sharjeel in the squad. People are too quick to jump the gun.

When I made the thread about what Pakistan main team can learn from Pak Champions the earlier comments were positive but now that they have lost the final their overwhelmingly negative which they wouldn't have been had Pak Champions won.

The idea was to replicate the model of pak Champions as its a model that won us 2009 and it's a model that got Pakistan into the semi's of every t20 tournament prior to 2016.

It's not a difficult model to understand.

Fill your top 3 with aggressive young blood who want to attack, then fill your no 4 to no 6 with established middle order batsmen and finally fill your no 7 with a finisher and invest in spin department, 3 spinners and 3 pacers are the way to go.

But everyone is so Infatiutated with Pakistan cricket team that they are happy with the current model which includes

- The top order which is absolutely Incapable of utilising the Power play or playing attacking cricket.

- A middle order which is filled with tail enders or batters who cannot bat like shadab and Chacha who both occupy no 5 and no 6 and fakhar who doesn't know how to play at no 4 in the middle order

- A lack of spin, Pakistan typically only opts for shadab and chacha as their spinners with 4 pacers which for obvious reasons does not work.
 
Rizwan is not a choker. In fact he is the mentally strongest player in Pakistan today and total clutch.

Misbah just had a poor team. Players like Misbah work if you have other good players to compliment him. That’s why he was successful in tests. In Lois he was playing alongside either hacks or players worse than him.

Ifthikar is maybe not that good enough to begin with to be considered a choker.
 
Local.Dada said:
Rizwan is not a choker. In fact he is the mentally strongest player in Pakistan today and total clutch.

Misbah just had a poor team. Players like Misbah work if you have other good players to compliment him. That’s why he was successful in tests. In Lois he was playing alongside either hacks or players worse than him.

Ifthikar is maybe not that good enough to begin with to be considered a choker.
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A) How would you justify the Asia Cup 2022 knock?

B) How would you justify misbah's final t20 knock on feburary 2012?

C) Since when was quality a metric to determine choking or not?
 
mominsaigol said:
A) How would you justify the Asia Cup 2022 knock?

B) How would you justify misbah's final t20 knock on feburary 2012?

C) Since when was quality a metric to determine choking or not?
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Every player has such knocks. In fact if India had lost the WT20 people would have called Kohli a choker and tuk-tuk too.

Misbah brought respectability to Pak at a very difficult time. He also had a horrendous team.

Rizwan I feel is the only guy with temperament in Pak side.

Maybe you have a fair point. However if a player quality is so bad and has 0 ability, you can’t call it choking. It means he plain sucks. Not speaking of Ifthikar but just a point.
 
Rana said:
Oh bhai, kaunsa clutch? Kis ko paagal bana raha hai?
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Gun to your head and you have to pick one: scenario is 5th day of a test in Sydney Australia. Pak needs 29 runs and 2 wickets to go on a tricky pitch,

Your options are Babar Azam, Rizwan. Azam Khan, Shoaib Malik,Abdullah, Saim Ayub.

You have to pick one. Give me a honest and realistic answer.
 
Local.Dada said:
Gun to your head and you have to pick one: scenario is 5th day of a test in Sydney Australia. Pak needs 29 runs and 2 wickets to go on a tricky pitch,

Your options are Babar Azam, Rizwan. Azam Khan, Shoaib Malik,Abdullah, Saim Ayub.

You have to pick one. Give me a honest and realistic answer.
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Gun to my head?

Probably Shoaib Malik out of this lot.

If Saim has survived until this situation (considering he opens), I will back him to get those runs for me.
 
Local.Dada said:
Every player has such knocks. In fact if India had lost the WT20 people would have called Kohli a choker and tuk-tuk too.

Misbah brought respectability to Pak at a very difficult time. He also had a horrendous team.

Rizwan I feel is the only guy with temperament in Pak side.

Maybe you have a fair point. However if a player quality is so bad and has 0 ability, you can’t call it choking. It means he plain sucks. Not speaking of Ifthikar but just a point.
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1) Here's the thing, Kohli is Tuk tuk for t20 now which is why he retired, he failed an entire tournament lol, People respect kohli due to his past antics and playing games rizzu will never be able to. No one respected him in this tournament, You can ask my buddy @Statpadder Inc or @Nikhil_cric that before the final, they wanted him out.

Kohli may be an atg, but he was clearly done for t20 and is also the reason he is now retired from the format. Kohli deserves credit for the final but India has many close encounters before the game against australia and kohli either didn't help, or his 28 of 28 nearly lost India the game in one innings lol.

2) What respectability? After the spit fixing scandel, Fixing didn't stop, neither did attitude issues like UA or Shehzad, and fitness issues didn't ene either case in point jamshed, the fielding was also a joke? Also this whole horrendous team nonsense, Can you explain why it's only when Misbah arrives as a captain or coach pakiatan has a crap team?

Before Misbah in 2011 pakistan reached Semi Final and required the strongest team if the tournament playing in their home den to get eliminated. After misbah left, Pakistan won CT 2017, ans then when misbah returned, Pakistan fell into pieces qith 2020 being Pakistan's worst year in whiteball, even worse then 2024? Why does that happen? What's the science behind that?

3) Rizwan has 2 clutch knocks in his career. Wc 2021 against India and wc 2023 against Sri lanka. He's bottled more games then won it. 2024 India game wc is basically his fault, The NY pitch was a minefield qith Indian MO collapsing like a deck of cards from overs 16 to 20. He got put at the worst time possible since new batters would struggle after the PP like Indian batters did. This shows the difference between someone like Pant and rizwan. Pant played and came through
 
Local.Dada said:
Gun to your head and you have to pick one: scenario is 5th day of a test in Sydney Australia. Pak needs 29 runs and 2 wickets to go on a tricky pitch,

Your options are Babar Azam, Rizwan. Azam Khan, Shoaib Malik,Abdullah, Saim Ayub.

You have to pick one. Give me a honest and realistic answer.
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Why would azam Khan even play test? Such a random selection? Where's saud shakeel? Or the current players who represent Pakistan?

Regardless from the current lot, Abdullah is your best bet due to being an opener and would likely be the most inform.

Ik you want me to say rizwan but your logic doesn't apply because if 8 wickets have fallen, Rizwan would likely be new at the crease since he bats at 6 in test lol
 
mominsaigol said:
1) Here's the thing, Kohli is Tuk tuk for t20 now which is why he retired, he failed an entire tournament lol, People respect kohli due to his past antics and playing games rizzu will never be able to. No one respected him in this tournament, You can ask my buddy @Statpadder Inc or @Nikhil_cric that before the final, they wanted him out.

Kohli may be an atg, but he was clearly done for t20 and is also the reason he is now retired from the format. Kohli deserves credit for the final but India has many close encounters before the game against australia and kohli either didn't help, or his 28 of 28 nearly lost India the game in one innings lol.

2) What respectability? After the spit fixing scandel, Fixing didn't stop, neither did attitude issues like UA or Shehzad, and fitness issues didn't ene either case in point jamshed, the fielding was also a joke? Also this whole horrendous team nonsense, Can you explain why it's only when Misbah arrives as a captain or coach pakiatan has a crap team?

Before Misbah in 2011 pakistan reached Semi Final and required the strongest team if the tournament playing in their home den to get eliminated. After misbah left, Pakistan won CT 2017, ans then when misbah returned, Pakistan fell into pieces qith 2020 being Pakistan's worst year in whiteball, even worse then 2024? Why does that happen? What's the science behind that?

3) Rizwan has 2 clutch knocks in his career. Wc 2021 against India and wc 2023 against Sri lanka. He's bottled more games then won it. 2024 India game wc is basically his fault, The NY pitch was a minefield qith Indian MO collapsing like a deck of cards from overs 16 to 20. He got put at the worst time possible since new batters would struggle after the PP like Indian batters did. This shows the difference between someone like Pant and rizwan. Pant played and came through
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Kohli was done for sure. Luckily it didn't cost us .
 
He is the worst player ever. He is the destroyer or Pakistan cricket. He is the ultimate king of soft runs and stat padding.

Misbah has so much affect on newer generation they don't care about winning the match they just want to score meaningless runs and save their place for the next match and series.

Misbah has ruined Pakistan cricket. He is the worst thing ever happened to Pakistan cricket.
 
mominsaigol said:
And? Pak Champions reached the final qith sharjeel ending in the top 5 highest run scorers while pakistan main team got eliminated by minnows and none of them even top scored and were terrible?
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He's playing against retired players while he's playing regularly.. it's actually embarrassing he's not leading the batting chart.. and what I've seen boundaries are very small..
 
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This is an easy one. Misbah by a country mile. No one is even close to Misbah as a bottler and choker. And then cemented the bottler attitude in an entire generation
 
shariqnoor said:
After the incredible thread of how Pakistan should learn from Pakistan Champions, lets present another incredible thread.

:facepalm:
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So pakistan shouldn't learn to adopt 3 aggressive 1-3, an established MO, and play with 3 spinners and 3 fast bowlers that use to do wonders for pakistan from 2012-2019 in the bowling department?

Pakistan should stick to its roots with 2 openers who can't hit, a middle order that can't bat and spinners who can't spin?
 
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mominsaigol said:
So pakistan shouldn't learn to adopt 3 aggressive 1-3, an established MO, and play with 3 spinners and 3 fast bowlers that use to do wonders for pakistan from 2012-2019 in the bowling department?

Pakistan should stick to its roots with 2 openers who can't hit, a middle order that can't bat and spinners who can't spin?
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Bro at least Karachi kings isn’t toxic anymore….
 
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Rana said:
Gun to my head?

Probably Shoaib Malik out of this lot.

If Saim has survived until this situation (considering he opens), I will back him to get those runs for me.
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That's crazy

Cummins to Malik : running in with full tempo on good length, ball angled slightly and he's knocked him over, bails off absolute comedy here at Gabba.

Commie: That was very predicable it was a matter if not when , Malik is always shaky against quality pacers.

Laughable Malik has a horrendous record yet that the hate for RizBar is so blind.
 
Why are Rizwan and Ifthikar being called bottler?

To bottle a game you have to be at crease for a time long enough that game comes into your hands and then you let it slip.

Rizwan and Ifthikar have never done that. Any scores or inns they have made in white ball cricket have been as support acts or stat padding against weak teams.

Misbah messed up 2 sealed runchases in WT20 2007 vs India and cost the team a cup. 2011 I wont blame him because game was finished after failures of senior players Younis, Razzaq and Afridi. Misbah only did the only thing he knew how to do i.e. nurdle singles and wait for an over of offspin to plunder.
 
Misbah is semi bottler. Misbay made 3 fifties in 3 world cup matches against India if i am right. He was the top scorer in each time. His template is go slow till death and try to make a match out of it in death overs bit like MSD. But prime MSD more often than not would finish. India badly fed him an off spinner in the end overs. A seamer would have choked him. That is why match got interesting.
 
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Probably Misbah.

Pakistan should've won 2007 World T20. They were one hit away. Misbah went for that absurd scoop shot. Bad game awareness.
 
Iftikhar Ahmed is a joke nothing else

Misbah is easily the biggest bottler and that comes from the fact that he had actual talent but that talent couldn’t do much considering how mentally weak he is

Rizwan on the other hand is the text book definition of being useless.
 
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CerebralPatriot said:
Iftikhar Ahmed is a joke nothing else

Misbah is easily the biggest bottler and that comes from the fact that he had actual talent but that talent couldn’t do much considering how mentally weak he is

Rizwan on the other hand is the text book definition of being useless.
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I agree - chacha is not even worth discussing.
 
Rizwan is anything but a bottler. Rizwan won Pakistan its first ever game against India in World Cup history, something even legends like Inzamam and Wasim Akram could not achieve.
 
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Mercurial said:
Rizwan is anything but a bottler. Rizwan won Pakistan its first ever game against India in World Cup history, something even legends like Inzamam and Wasim Akram could not achieve.
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2022 asia cup was a bottling job, so was his 2024 game against India.

Bottling doesn't mean playing a bad shot at the end of the game and losing it.

It means messing up a game from a won position. Pakistan had no rhyme or reason to lose the game against India especially when the rr was 5, yes it was a difficult pitch but rr 7 to 8 would have been impossible.

Rizwan's 31 of 44 cost the game, because their was no way in hell the middle order could chase rr 6 and > in NY as india's MO collapsed like a house of cards.

Had he just played a run a ball innings aka 44 of 44 it would have been fine. He's the reason the rr went to 7 and >
 
Chacha and Misbah are both clueless cricket players in limited cricket match. But I gotta give credit to Misbah. Without Yasir shah and ajmal. He is just a regular useless captain in test matches too
 
The bad thing about Misbah is his inability to shift gears and leaving it too late just to rue later.
 
To answer this, it's Misbah without a shadow of a doubt. Ifti shouldn't even be discussed he's a useless player. And with Rizwan, he at least has some match-winning innings going for him. At least he didn't bottle the SL game in WC'23. And he has performed in many match-winning cases. His bottling jobs were extremely infuriating however. Every time I think about the 2022 Asia Cup game against SL, i want to punch the wall. But overall, Rizwan has still finished games more than Misbah, and since Misbah is the inventor of bottling and playing slow innings, it all falls on him.
 
Mohammad Rizwan was on right track since he became opener in T20is, ever since he started involve in politics and religion cards he has touched his low again. Guess Imad was right about him
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohammad Rizwan was on right track since he became opener in T20is, ever since he started involve in politics and religion cards he has touched his low again. Guess Imad was right about him
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He was religious from day one so this might not be the case. However maybe after he got his permanent spot in the team he started taking things for granted as nobody can replace him now.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
He was religious from day one so this might not be the case. However maybe after he got his permanent spot in the team he started taking things for granted as nobody can replace him now.
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He wasn’t a religious show off from day 1.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
He was religious from day one so this might not be the case. However maybe after he got his permanent spot in the team he started taking things for granted as nobody can replace him now.
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Because he hides behind the wicket keeping Clause, that's why.

And his fans use that as a metric to justify his inclusion.

Traditionally pakistan played wicket keepers at no 8 because their job was to keep and help the captains with LBW's. Never in your life would you ever think of someone like wasim bari, Rashid Latin, moin Khan etc replace someone like Saeed Anwar irrespective of form. That didn't even happen when saeed Anwar was out of it due to his daughters death.

Kamran akmal was an exception and despite some t20 antics, he should have never replaced an established opening batsmen, although Kamran atleast in 2009 did his part and in 2011 against WI in QF.

Sarfraz was an exception but that's cause he was captain and he shuffled himself according to situation which is why he sometimes sent hasan Ali ahead of him to blind slog.

Rizwan replacing Fakhar is the equivalent of Azam Khan replacing Rohit Sharma.
 
Misbah injected tuk tuk culture in Pakistan. Before misbah era Pakistan was aggressive. Still pakistan can't able to come out from tul tuk
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Rizwan is now carrying forward the legacy!
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Rizwan wouldn't be overhated if he actually played for his team.

As a player he's not as bad as his haters make him out to be. He's a good test player and should be pakistan's test keeper. And in odi he isn't that bad. He stinks in t20 but he would be fine for odi and test.

However he's caused so much damage to pakistan cricket that it is absolutely unbelievable.

Why couldn't he just play for his team? Rather then this fake Muslim, fake injury, aggressive cry baby mein khush nahi hoon drama? If you weren't good enough ti ever be in the t20 or odi squad for 5 years since your debut then you're not good enough. Stick to test only and keep your mouth shut?

Who told misbah and babar to make endless upon endless concessions just to make his work? Who told ramiz Raja to portray this medicore test batsmen as the 2nd coming of Adam gilchrist?
 
mominsaigol said:
He's a good test player and should be pakistan's test keeper. And in odi he isn't that bad. He stinks in t20 but he would be fine for odi and test.
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In Test cricket, he can't be a good player due to his bad feet movement. Just imagine him playing at WACA, how many balls would he survive there?

He can only be a good ODI batter where he can use his unconventional technique to score runs.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
In Test cricket, he can't be a good player due to his bad feet movement. Just imagine him playing at WACA, how many balls would he survive there?

He can only be a good ODI batter where he can use his unconventional technique to score runs.
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In test he played fine in Australia. I have no issue with him in test.

In odi and t20 is where the problem lies where he's opening despite being badly unsuited for t20 and he's playing at no 4 in odi. Babar at 3 and rizwan at 4 means no youngster can possibly develop

As no 5, no 6 and no 7 are traditionally allrounder and finisher spots. Salman Ali agha can occupy 5, but what about new bloods?

Where is someone like saud shakeel, Omair bin Yousaf and other upcoming talents suppose to bat? At no 6? To appease rizwan? HAHAHAHA.
 
mominsaigol said:
In test he played fine in Australia. I have no issue with him in test.

In odi and t20 is where the problem lies where he's opening despite being badly unsuited for t20 and he's playing at no 4 in odi. Babar at 3 and rizwan at 4 means no youngster can possibly develop

As no 5, no 6 and no 7 are traditionally allrounder and finisher spots. Salman Ali agha can occupy 5, but what about new bloods?

Where is someone like saud shakeel, Omair bin Yousaf and other upcoming talents suppose to bat? At no 6? To appease rizwan? HAHAHAHA.
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no place for Rizwan in shorter format TBH but still we need to find any wicketkeeper batter who can be dynamic with bat.. right now we dont have any in domestic circuit and Mohammad Hairs is just a fluke player, so really need to groom any youngster may be haseebullah who can replace him.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
no place for Rizwan in shorter format TBH but still we need to find any wicketkeeper batter who can be dynamic with bat.. right now we dont have any in domestic circuit and Mohammad Hairs is just a fluke player, so really need to groom any youngster may be haseebullah who can replace him.
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Muhammad Akhlaq is good. Give him a chance
 
Iftikhar is the main culprit here. Nobody is actually talking about him TBH. He is he one who bottled the jo big time.
 
Rana said:
A bit like Babar and Rizwan’s ‘stats’

They don’t add up. The other guys in this list enjoyed white ball dominance with their countries. Why has Misbah’s white ball side been below par just like RizBar’s?
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Misbah's stats were even worse. He was the kind of guy who couldn't even statpad for himself that's how useless he was.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Misbah's stats were even worse. He was the kind of guy who couldn't even statpad for himself that's how useless he was.
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Exactly

Something just doesn’t make sense. Misbah has more sixes than AB at number 5….


But South Africa being 3 times the white ball team to Pakistan in that era!
 
Rana said:
Exactly

Something just doesn’t make sense. Misbah has more sixes than AB at number 5….


But South Africa being 3 times the white ball team to Pakistan in that era!
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It makes total sense. Misbah’s release shot was usually a 6 but what happened in between is what he copped criticism for. Even though sometimes I feel irrationally.
 
Local.Dada said:
It makes total sense. Misbah’s release shot was usually a 6 but what happened in between is what he copped criticism for. Even though sometimes I feel irrationally.
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Right,

So it kind of gives context to why Rizwan is Pakistan’s leading six hitter in T20s?
 
Rana said:
Right,

So it kind of gives context to why Rizwan is Pakistan’s leading six hitter in T20s?
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Rizwan is one of those street smart accumulators and can also find 4 balls when set. Obviously you expect him to play like Klassen which will likely never happen.
 
Local.Dada said:
Rizwan is one of those street smart accumulators and can also find 4 balls when set. Obviously you expect him to play like Klassen which will likely never happen.
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So street smart that he is the reason why Pakistan is ranked 7 overall in all formats?
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Unbelievable stats @Mohraheem @Rana @mominsaigol

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I'm not suprised by this.

Misbah was a gun no 5 in test and could play long so his six hitting would have been amped from here especially his fastest test century.

I don't hate misbah as a batsmen that much. He's outdated in whiteball but he isn't as insufferable as people make him out to be.

I hate him as a captain.

I only hate babar as a batsmen but not the individual, the fans themselves. With the exception of a few misbah wankers no one believed misbah was a top tier batsmen, they all thought he was just okayish.

Problem is the fans have downright shoved this world class mantra for babar with some people claiming he's the best pakistani batter ever. And it's extremely irritating when someone like Travis head is playing and shoeing who's boss.

As for rizwan, I hate him as a batsmen in whiteball, don't mind him batting in test and don't mind his keeping that much.
 
Rana said:
So street smart that he is the reason why Pakistan is ranked 7 overall in all formats?
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Rizwan is the low hanging fruit. I have no agenda here so I won’t point the 7-8 other players who are easily dispensable before Rizwan. Probably more but I can name 7-8 off the top of my head. Cricket is a team game last time I checked. It’s like you have a normal family car that has bad breaks, flat tyres, broken windshield but you are complaining it doesn’t race like a Ferrari.
 
Rana said:
Exactly

Something just doesn’t make sense. Misbah has more sixes than AB at number 5….


But South Africa being 3 times the white ball team to Pakistan in that era!
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That's because de villers didn't always bat at no 5 like misbah who had a fixed no in test, odi and even t20.

De villers fastest century was scored from no 3. Most of his t20 exploits were done from opening.

His aussie bashing was mostly done at no 4 and he would often promote himself to no 3 or even open if the opposition was west indies cause he loved it.

The stats are for no 5 only, So obviously misbah would have the most lol, De villers wasn't a permanent no 5, infact his fastest 100 and his 162 of 66 were not done from no 5, they were done from no 3 and 4.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's because de villers didn't always bat at no 5 like misbah who had a fixed no in test, odi and even t20.

De villers fastest century was scored from no 3. Most of his t20 exploits were done from opening.

His aussie bashing was mostly done at no 4 and he would often promote himself to no 3 or even open if the opposition was west indies cause he loved it.

The stats are for no 5 only, So obviously misbah would have the most lol, De villers wasn't a permanent no 5, infact his fastest 100 and his 162 of 66 were not done from no 5, they were done from no 3 and 4.
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This makes sense.

I was about to say, maybe @Major made these stats up to prove Misbah was a bigger hitter than Devilliers
 
Rana said:
This makes sense.

I was about to say, maybe @Major made these stats up to prove Misbah was a bigger hitter than Devilliers
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Eoin Morgan's stats are also excluded because his six record against Afghanistan was at no 4. And these charts dont take that into account, only take batting at no 5 into account.
 
Rana said:
Oh I just read…

Another one of those “all format batsman” stats. It’s not one format.

My days, the desperation to prove something is so hilarious at times.

Does Rizwan have more sixes overall in international cricket in comparison to Klaasen right now?
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At Opening yes. 👀
 
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