Narendra Modi : Mega Discussion Thread

[tempus123]

If any other did not write to Modi for Hindus, doesn't mean she has no right to speak out. She is responsible for only her conscience, not what others should do.

The invisible hand of adam smith works even in moral outrage. It is impractical for everyone to support every other cause. Let people support the cause they feel strongly for.

It's not cause. Just say it clearly that "Muslim victims suffering" is what I am fighting against. I would respect that. Don't try to hide behind "India's pluralism" and "conscience".

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's not cause. Just say it clearly that "Muslim victims suffering" is what I am fighting against. I would respect that. Don't try to hide behind "India's pluralism" and "conscience".

That is a cause. Muslims are a minority, and apart from Dalits, the most vulnerable ones. In a fair society, there must be voices to support the weak and the minority. If we even shut that down, it will be the death of India's conscience.

 

[niishaa]

I find these pseudo seculars pretty disgusting. Did they return their awards when the acts of minority appeasements were being carried out by the state ? No.
Many Hindus have died in such incidents in the last 5 years, they didn't ask Mr. Modi to make a statement against Muslim rioters ? They didn't return any of their awards then, why ?

Disgusting people.

They maybe disguting. But i highlighted the bolded part because i agree with that. The dadri killing is big news in india and the PM has been silent about it. We can debate that the media is selective and only highlights the suffering of mulsims etc and that is not modi's fault but irrespective of that modi has to say something about this incident. One atleast needs to know the PM's stance and view on this. He does needs to adress the minority fears and concerns. He is not a CM anyone But the PM of a country.

 

[CricketCartoons]

They maybe disguting. But i highlighted the bolded part because i agree with that. The dadri killing is big news in india and the PM has been silent about it. We can debate that the media is selective and only highlights the suffering of mulsims etc and that is not modi's fault but irrespective of that modi has to say something about this incident. One atleast needs to know the PM's stance and view on this. He does needs to adress the minority fears and concerns. He is not a CM anyone But the PM of a country.

Why Modi HAS to say something on this incident? Should he speak about every murder than happens in the country? What is UP police and UP Chief Minister for? And speak why? So that people will say that he is politicizing the issue and targeting the state government? If there is a riot, then yes, it makes sense for the PM to appeal for calm, but the killing of someone by a lynch mob, which happens on a regular basis, should Modi be speaking out against that all the time?

 

[Fallen King]

I apologize for having open mind. I didn't mean to question the integrity of Modi and his followers. Modi is a nationalist hero, and i take my words back for everything what i have said about Modi. Modi is a hero.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I apologize for having open mind. I didn't mean to question the integrity of Modi and his followers. Modi is a nationalist hero, and i take my words back for everything what i have said about Modi. Modi is a hero.

If you are going to be nice to Modistan, then I demand you say the same thing to Imranistan.

 

[Fallen King]

If you are going to be nice to Modistan, then I demand you say the same thing to Imranistan.

Modi is a great leader, hence my reconsidered opinion about him. Talking about Imranistan in this thread would be going off-topic in this thread.

 

[tempus123]

That is a cause. Muslims are a minority, and apart from Dalits, the most vulnerable ones. In a fair society, there must be voices to support the weak and the minority. If we even shut that down, it will be the death of India's conscience.

Then say it clearly. Don't hide.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Then say it clearly. Don't hide.

It is your assumption that they are hiding anything. Not everyone is going to frame their sentences according to your liking. What they support is crystal clear.

 

[tempus123]

It is your assumption that they are hiding anything. Not everyone is going to frame their sentences according to your liking. What they support is crystal clear.

Yes, but someone should ask them to get specific response. I would love to see if they are brave to openly say it or are uncomfortable hypocrites.

 

[tempus123]

They maybe disguting. But i highlighted the bolded part because i agree with that. The dadri killing is big news in india and the PM has been silent about it. We can debate that the media is selective and only highlights the suffering of mulsims etc and that is not modi's fault but irrespective of that modi has to say something about this incident. One atleast needs to know the PM's stance and view on this. He does needs to adress the minority fears and concerns. He is not a CM anyone But the PM of a country.

That would be setting a wrong precedent.

 

[samplepiece]

Is Nayantara Sehgal guilty of selective outrage? - Rajdeep Sardesai.


http://scroll.in/article/760419/is-...itical-by-returning-her-sahitya-akademi-award

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes, but someone should ask them to get specific response. I would love to see if they are brave to openly say it or are uncomfortable hypocrites.

My twitter friend barkha dutt asked her the question, as to why she did not protest against sikh riots, or bhagalpur riots, why now? Nayantara said this is the first time we have a hindutva government. She is brave enough to say it like she sees it.

 

[niishaa]

That would be setting a wrong precedent.

I guess you are right.

 

[tempus123]

My twitter friend barkha dutt asked her the question, as to why she did not protest against sikh riots, or bhagalpur riots, why now? Nayantara said this is the first time we have a hindutva government. She is brave enough to say it like she sees it.

[MENTION=51547]samplepiece[/MENTION] gave the link.

 

[tempus123]

I guess you are right.

Hope it was not a sarcastic comment.

 

[samplepiece]

My twitter friend barkha dutt asked her the question, as to why she did not protest against sikh riots, or bhagalpur riots, why now? Nayantara said this is the first time we have a hindutva government. She is brave enough to say it like she sees it.

So does that mean non-Hindutva goverments and Hindutva governments have different accountability when it comes to riots or any incident for that matter?

 

[CricketCartoons]

So does that mean non-Hindutva goverments and Hindutva governments have different accountability when it comes to riots or any incident for that matter?

Yes, in terms of moral accountability, but only for such incidents linked to beef ban or issue of temple-mosque. It is the beef ban rhetoric that is creating this political climate which is empowering mobs to lynch people. Just like Rajiv Gandhi's and Amitabh Bachchan's incendiary remarks empowered delhi lynch mobs against sikhs.

 

[samplepiece]

Yes, in terms of moral accountability, but only for such incidents linked to beef ban or issue of temple-mosque. It is the beef ban rhetoric that is creating this political climate which is empowering mobs to lynch people. Just like Rajiv Gandhi's and Amitabh Bachchan's incendiary remarks empowered delhi lynch mobs against sikhs.

So you are saying that the Hindutva govt has same accountability for the lynch mob as Rajiv's non Hindutva govt had for the Sikh riots and therefore, Nayantara Sahgal is guilty of selective outrage?

 

[niishaa]

Hope it was not a sarcastic comment.

No. For a long time i had this feeling that modi should not be silent and speak up. But after reading CC's post and your's very effective short and precise comment. I do feel you are right. But the thing is Modi has a past history of Godhra and the minority maybe feeling cornered. i felt that there is nothing wrong if he allays their fears but thenagain it would become very political. Still if these things occur at regular basis then he may have to speak up one day.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So you are saying that the Hindutva govt has same accountability for the lynch mob as Rajiv's non Hindutva govt had for the Sikh riots and therefore, Nayantara Sahgal is guilty of selective outrage?

If staying silent on some issue decades ago, and speaking out against similar issue now is selective outrage, then yes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What!!!! Why???? I am hurt!

You do know that you can legally claim Portugese citizenship.

 

[samplepiece]

If staying silent on some issue decades ago, and speaking out against similar issue now is selective outrage, then yes.

But hasnt she herself said that she is taking a stand because we have a Hindutva government (as against saying that she is wiser after all these years and hence the stand) and does it not imply that she will not take a stand in future if there is a non-Hindutva government at the helm which can be held morally accountable?

 

[tempus123]

If staying silent on some issue decades ago, and speaking out against similar issue now is selective outrage, then yes.

Staying silent on one issue and speaking out against another, when both the issues are relevant in the current time frame.

 

[niishaa]

You do know that you can legally claim Portugese citizenship.

No i did not . I have heard that pondicherry residents can get french citizenship.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You do know that you can legally claim Portugese citizenship.

And so you want her to go to Portugal just because she is from Goa?

 

[samplepiece]

Staying silent on one issue and speaking out against another, when both the issues are relevant in the current time frame.

Which issues are you referring to when you say in the current time frame?

 

[tempus123]

Which issues are you referring to when you say in the current time frame?

The Hindu boys being killed by Muslim rioters.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Staying silent on one issue and speaking out against another, when both the issues are relevant in the current time frame.

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Jao pehle us aadmi..

 

[tempus123]

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Jao pehle us aadmi..

lol.. pretty good and apt scene.

 

[samplepiece]

The Hindu boys being killed by Muslim rioters.

Link?

 

[tempus123]

Someone made a compilation of communal events in UP in 2015, all reported in local newpapers but ignored by Main Stream Media.

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Rampur - One Hindu shot dead by muslims firing from a mosque after a clash over animal grazing
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/rampur-12666981.html
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Mirapur - Hindu lady burned alive. The riot started 2 days ago when a Hindu boy was killed in front of police
http://www.jagran.com/.../lucknow-city-an-old-lady-burnt...
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Mirapur - A Hindu youth killed. People suspect killers took shelter in a Mosque and want it to be searched. Muslims gather and protest any search of Mosque.
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../muzaffarnagar-12537563.html
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Saharanpur - Violence due to eve-teasing of hindu girl by muslim youth. Muslims tease "Dalit" girl and then attack her family. When police arrives, they fire at police. One cop is shot. One rioter also killed in police firing
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/saharanpur-12529837.html
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Gonda - Stones thrown at Ganesh Visarjan Procession
http://www.jagran.com/.../lucknow-city-hangama-in-gonda...
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Meerut - Muslims beat up Hindus celebrating Janamastmi
http://m.jagran.com/.../national-communal-clash-in-meerut...
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Bulandshahar – Muslims tease Hindu girl, protest leads to communal clash
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bulandshahr-12848485.html
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Meerut - Cow Slaughter by Muslims - Hindus protest
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../meerut-city-12845080.html
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Azamgarh - Cow slaughter results in communal clash
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/azamgarh-12846488.html
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Lucknow - Communal tension after chopped heads of many cows found
http://www.jagran.com/.../lucknow-city-heads-of-26-cows...
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Bareilly - Muslims beat up a Hindu driver for playing bhajans in front of mosque
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bareilly-city-12819259.html
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Muzaffarnagar - Eve teasing. Muslim boys beat the brother of a Hindu girl when he stops them from eve teasing
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../muzaffarnagar-12797340.html
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Moradabad - Muslims don't allow Kanwariya procession through their area
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../moradabad-city-12778565.html
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Mirapur - Muslims forcibly stop loudspeaker aarti / hymns during Ramjan
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../muzaffarnagar-12549740.html
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Faridnagar, Ghaziabad - Muslims object to loudspeaker in temple. They attack and vandalize the shops and houses of Hindus
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/ghaziabad-12535859.html
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Bulandshahar - Communal tension due to eve-teasing of Hindu girl by Muslim youths
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bulandshahr-12529347.html
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Khurja - Communal tension due to eve-teasing of Hindu girl by Muslim youths
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bulandshahr-12521603.html
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Khurja - Another eve teasing incident. Communal tension due to eve-teasing of Hindu girl by Muslim youths
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bulandshahr-12526187.html
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Etah - Idols vandalized by 4 Muslim youth; Hindus protest peacefully. No violence
http://www.jagran.com/.../lucknow-city-fir-against-four...
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Bulandshahar - Temple vandalized. Hindus protest peacefully. No Violence
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bulandshahr-12373910.html
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Bareilley - Muslims violently protest against blasphemy
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../bareilly-city-12357538.html
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Amroha – Muslims force the removal of loudspeaker from "Dalit" temple
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../amroha-city-12307869.html
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Saharanpur - Temple vandalized - bricks thrown inside temple
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/saharanpur-12115612.html
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Meerut - Temple vandalized. Hindus protest peacefully
http://www.jagran.com/uttar.../meerut-city-12100193.html
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Saharanpur – Muslims stop DJ in a Hindu marriage procession. Throw stones on wedding party
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/saharanpur-12099423.html
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Bijnaur - Music system stopped near mosque. Hindu religious procession taken out in police protection
http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/bijnor-12047504.html
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Muzaffarnagar - Eve teasing of "Dalit" girl by Muslims lead to communal tension
http://indianexpress.com/.../tension-in-muzaffarnagar-as.../


http://satyavijayi.com/15-yr-old-bo...ims-in-firing-on-temple-in-up-where-is-media/
Perils and probable repercussions of selective outrage and misreporting by Indian Media
In no other country does mainstream media works so hard to instigate minorities to feel persecuted and demonize majority as does Indian Media
by selectively picking up the issues which suits and deliberatly ignoring others which disturbs the equation of oppressor and oppressed . This selective outrage as well as misreporting of such issues is more dangerous than the issue itself.
The recent atrocious barbaric act of mob lynching in Dadri over trivial issue deserves utmost bashing from all sections. But why no prime time coverage of similar recent incidents in last 2 months in Baduria (WB), Davangare (Karnataka),Dimapur(Nagaland), Badarpur, Kaushambi, Bareily,etc.? Just because the perpetrators belong to minorities!!!
Everytime the 5 star journos (including our beloved Ravish) selectively picks up the issue , social media comes up with similar examples of reverse discriminations that MSM dont find worthy of prime time slots and panel discussions. Be it the case of Misbah Qaudri, lady who was denied flat or Zeeshan Khan, gentleman who was denied job, Media left no stone unturned in generalising the cases and instigate minorities . Social Media, then, came up with dozen such cases of job ads and society ads reserved for minorities but alas, they weren't worthy of news.
The case of burglary in Holy Child School in Delhi or the Nun Rape Case in Kolkata, both were given communal angles and potrayed as attack on minorities even before investigation. Prime Time with Ravish or Newshour with Arnab. Everyone was infuriated. However, the perpetrator in the former was found out to be a student from North East, while it was a Bangladeshi named Nazrul in latter. Media chose to keep mum after investigation as it disturbs the equation of oppressor and oppressed yet again.
Recently, media acting as a saviour of freedom of art and expression was quick to bash all the recent bans imposed by Govt., the FTII episode,Censor Board related controversies, etc. but how on earth could they choose to ignore Fatwa issued to AR Rehman by Reza Academy, or the ban sought on play named "Agnes of God" by Missionaries?
But the most disturbing act by morally bankrupt media was convincing the nation that hanging Yakub, the terrorist, would eventually alienate Muslims even more, and they even succeeded to an extent . The death sentence , justified or not, was debatable but to paint it in communal colors is unpardonable. The forerunner in spewing venom this time was print media : The Hindu, The Indian Express, The Wire, Scroll.in, Firstpost, and many more.
Also, the electronic media rarely even reports the exemplary cases of communal harmony as it may not be a potential high TRP story.
All this selective outrages, manipulating facts and communalising incidents that are remotely not communal, is worse than the discrimination itself. Not only it is against the ethics of journalism, but also acts in dividing society. The communal clashes and religion based discrimination should be condemned in one voice by all sections unequivocally but lets not associate ourselves as a victim or a perpetrator if we aren't .
P.S. This long note is more to vent the exasperation caused my media than to impart sanctimonious lecture smile emoticon. Google all the facts, feel free to disagree and correct if wrong

 

[cricketjoshila]

No i did not . I have heard that pondicherry residents can get french citizenship.

Your GrandParents were born in Goa before 1961 i presume?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Your GrandParents were born in Goa before 1961 i presume?

Why do you want her to become a Portugal citizen?

 

[niishaa]

Your GrandParents were born in Goa before 1961 i presume?

Yes. But they moved to mumbai for work and they stayed there till they died. Both my parents were born in mumbai. My grandpapa was a mill/factory manager. This issue of dual nationality i remember from my childhood days but it been so long now that it really slipped from my mind. It's wont matter as all my documents etc are from maharashtra govt. I did google and am trying to find out more about it.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Will Modi and his party win in Bihar? Many are billing this fight as a referendum on the BJP government's performance at the centre.

Opinion polls suggest it's too close to call.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Will Modi and his party win in Bihar? Many are billing this fight as a referendum on the BJP government's performance at the centre.

Opinion polls suggest it's too close to call.

Its not a referendum.Bihar is the toughest state for BJP to win.If they win it then it will be a final nail to the Lalu brand of politics.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Will Modi and his party win in Bihar? Many are billing this fight as a referendum on the BJP government's performance at the centre.

Opinion polls suggest it's too close to call.

Lol @ the pic of Rahul Gandhi )....... OH lord when you have ppl like Rahul Gandhi in Politics you know your country is in trouble...

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Narendra Modi UK Visit thread - Indian PM eyes the economic premier league

More than 70,000 people are expected to gather in Wembley Stadium on Friday to celebrate the Hindu festival of Diwali and to welcome a man they hope will launch India into the economic premier league.

Narendra Modi will be the first Indian prime minister to visit Britain in nearly a decade and he is set to receive a rock star’s welcome.

Organisers promise an ‘Olympics style’ spectacle that will overshadow his ‘sell-out’ appearances at New York’s Madison Square Gardens and Sydney’s Olympic indoor arena last year.

Modi will meet members of one of this country’s most successful ethnic minority groups during the two-day visit.

People of Indian-descent account for just 2.3 per cent of the population, but are visible in business, the professions, academia, politics and the media. Nearly half – over 600,000 – can trace their roots to the premier’s home state of Gujarat.

Modi’s own rags-to-riches story – his father ran a tea stall at the local railway station – will resonate with the Indian diaspora.

India’s leader is credited with the economic transformation of Gujarat, a state in the country’s northwest that shares a border with Pakistan and has a population around the same size as Britain’s.

Gujarat became a model for clean government and economic competence as growth averaged nearly 10 per cent a year when Modi was chief minister from 2001 to 2012.

He was elected last year on hopes he would replicate Gujarat’s success story throughout the country.

India’s religious minorities were even willing to overlook the Hindu supremacist doctrine of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on promises of jobs, infrastructure and more accountability. Investors took notice and the stock market surged.

Some 18 months later and it’s a different story, one that has shifted from optimism to frustration over stalled reforms. The leader who seemed to have all the answers now risks losing the common touch because he spends too much time courting adulation overseas.

Modi’s foreign trips – 26 countries and counting – are more than just an opportunity for a bit of self-indulgent grandstanding. Following the flag waving, India’s prime minister will be hoping that some of the goodwill translates into concrete gestures of support from investors.

So what should Modi tell the faithful on Friday? He could remind them of the scale of India’s problems to explain why reforms are essential; he should definitely tell his audience that change is already happening, albeit at a slower pace than his fans would like.

India wants to be a global centre for manufacturing. Reformers are promoting the country as a cheap place to do business as China becomes more expensive.

However, many foreign investors remain sceptical. India may be a nuclear power that has sent a probe to Mars, but away from the call centres and the software parks, almost one-in-three people aged 15 and over cannot read and write, while millions of children do not go to school because they need to work for a living. This means skills are limited and productivity poor.

Investors must deal with appalling infrastructure, excessive red tape and deep-rooted corruption. Private investment is weak, corporate debt is a problem and the state-controlled banks are burdened with loans that may never be repaid.

Party politics has set back progress on key reforms – national legislation that makes it easier to acquire land for infrastructure development; and a nationwide goods and services tax, a sort of Indian VAT, that eases the passage of goods across state borders, boosting inter-state trade.

The challenges are clearly daunting. When the fireworks go off over Wembley and the stands echo to chants reminiscent of Cup Final day, India’s leader can take comfort from the outpouring of pride he still inspires.

There are millions of people around the world who want to believe in him. Modi needs to convert some of that faith into something that will support his efforts on the home front.

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...mier-league-lure-investors.html#ixzz3r0ATnja9

 

[Titan of Technique]

Modi is a silent PM : Manmohan Singh

http://m.huffpost.com/in/entry/9218724

Interesting choice of words

 

[anakin]

http://m.huffpost.com/in/entry/9218724

Interesting choice of words

Ok... good points but slightly clouded by half truths and convenient amnesia of Manmohan singh's own past record as PM

1. The only time Manmohan Singh actually spoke and that too mostly internally stood his ground was for Indo-US nuclear deal, which was his lasting legacy. and I thoroughly respect him for that. Rest of the time he let Gandhis run amok, with Pappu actually tearing up the very ordinance issued by his own party, the blatant Corruption by Kalmadi, the handling of rape case in Delhi.etc etc...

2. Give time.. Congress had 10 years, here its just 1.5 years.

3. Pakistan has always been a tough nut for India, No party could have a consistent policy with Pakistan, while regarding the rest of the World, Modi's policy is far more reassuring than Congress.

4. Congress controls the Rajya Sabha and is blocking literally all meaningful legislation.

5. The World market has slowed with oil drop, India is considered the only bright spot in current scene. While in 2012 there were talks of India being replaced by Indonesia as BRICS nation.

6. Again, global issues.

Expectations were sky high when Modi came to power no doubt, they were never going to be met in a democracy which will always temper any radical change either good or bad.

Modi has put in some long term policies:
1. Jan Dhan Yojna, I accept that accounts are mostly inactive, but inviting the poorest of the poor to the modern banking system is the first step for rapid financial inclusion.
2. Swacch Bharat: Indians are not going to change overnight, but the sense of cleanliness has to be taught and made to look cool, the next generation will reap the rewards. As kids learn to prioritize cleanliness as more than something written in books.
3. Smart City project: I firmly believe this will be major growth story after IT in India, biggest infra initiative.
4. Make in India: emphasizing manufacturing in India, big boost to startups.

These willwill impact the nation like Nehru's Science and Tech focus, which yielded result in the form of such a great Knowledge capital. Manmohan's own liberalization in 91.

 

[Adil_94]

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[Adil_94]

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi attended the inaugural of World Sufi Forum on Thursday in New Delhi. Below are his top 10 quotes:
1. At a time when the dark shadow of violence is becoming longer, you are the noor or the light of hope. When young laughter is silenced by guns on the streets, you are the voice that heals.

2.When we recall the ninety-nine names of Allah, none of them stand for violence. He is both Rahman and Rahim.

3.The ideals of Islam have always rejected the forces of terrorism and extremism.

4.All our people – Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Buddhists, the micro-minority of Parsis, believers, non-believers, are all an integral part of India.

5.Every year, we spend a 100 billion dollars in securing the world from terrorism. This is money that should be spent improving the lives of the poor.

6.Those who spread terror in the name of religion are anti-religious.

7.The fight against terrorism is not a confrontation against any religion. It cannot be.

8.Diversity is a basic reality of Nature and source of richness of a society; and, it should not be a cause of discord.

9.The global community must be more vigilant than ever before to encounter the forces of darkness with the light of human values.

10.The global community must be more vigilant than ever before to encounter the forces of darkness with the light of human values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcXPxqB4gw

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[Adil_94]

Modi Ji spreading Aman ki Asha. MashAllah and Jai Shri Ram

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[anakin]

^ Across the border, people are going to get butt hurt by these statements.

"I hope Sufism in Paksitan, doesn't suffer because of Modi's praise"

 

[Adil_94]

^ Across the border, people are going to get butt hurt by these statements.

"I hope Sufism in Paksitan, doesn't suffer because of Modi's praise"

I have seen some comments on the groups Facebook page saying these Sufis are a disgrace for inviting a man who has the blood of so many Muslims on his hands. So the AAG is burning for some. The Sufis are putting the past behind them and showing their bigger hearts

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[Adil_94]

^ Across the border, people are going to get butt hurt by these statements.

"I hope Sufism in Paksitan, doesn't suffer because of Modi's praise"

I'm sure some idiots will say now Sufis are Hindu agents to deviate people from true Islam. [emoji6]

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[anakin]

I have seen some comments on the groups Facebook page saying these Sufis are a disgrace for inviting a man who has the blood of so many Muslims on his hands. So the AAG is burning for some. The Sufis are putting the past behind them and showing their bigger hearts

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I'm sure some idiots will say now Sufis are Hindu agents to deviate people from true Islam. [emoji6]

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.. I was only joking like the Ppers who profess their concern for an Indian person who praises something about Pakistan.

 

[Adil_94]

.. I was only joking like the Ppers who profess their concern for an Indian person who praises something about Pakistan.

Lol yeah but you will always get idiots from all countries who get AAG over little little things and just spew hate and vitriol against others.

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[CricketCartoons]

Patronizing comments by Modi. This jumla guy never has any sincerity and is trying hard to change his image.

 

[speed]

Was Tahir ul qadri at the forum?

 

[anakin]

Patronizing comments by Modi. This jumla guy never has any sincerity and is trying hard to change his image.

Certification for genuine person.

Applicant :Narendra Modi
Certifying authority: An appendix that hurts all the time
Status: Rejected

 

[JaDed]

http://thewire.in/2016/03/17/why-sufism-is-not-the-answer-to-the-radicalisation-of-muslims-24941/

Why Sufism is Not the Answer to the Radicalisation of Muslims


In the latest bid to project soft power and to engage in the global “War on Terror”, India has brought together a group of Sufi leaders to showcase India’s ethos of pluralism at the World Sufi Forum to be held in New Delhi from March 17.

Sushma Swaraj, the minister of external affairs, has also portrayed the presence of India’s Sufi heritage as a bulwark against radicalisation. After all, India hosts 180 million Muslims, it has a vast diaspora, and yet almost none of its citizens have found themselves in global terrorist groups. Sufism seems to provide an explanation, and so Swaraj and the Indian government are clutching at it. Unfortunately, they are wrong.

Sufism is not unique to India, nor is there any evidence of it being uniquely peaceful. In December 1930, Dervish Mehmet Efendi, a Naqshbandi Sufi in the land of Sufis – Turkey – raised the banner of armed revolt against Mustafa Kemal’s policies of forced secularisation. In response, not only was the army and air force used to crush the uprising, a state of emergency was declared and Sufis from around the country were arrested, some executed, and many imprisoned. The Naqshbandi order is also dominant in Chechnya, and was the base around which resistance to Russia coalesced – first on a spiritual basis, and then later on a military basis. Over time, this resistance led to the replacement of the Sufi orders with more radical Islamists.

This is the second part of the Sufi story that glib assessments tend to ignore. In fact, Sufism has not provided any sort of bulwark against radicalisation. No other part of India is as dominated by Sufi Islam as the Kashmir Valley, so if Sufism was such a great bulwark, how did Kashmiris swing to militancy? The easy answer to this would be the introduction of Saudi money and ideas, and the growth of Wahhabi or Salafi Islam. But the most influential Salafi in India is Zakir Naik, a televangelist based out of Bombay, whose Peace TV channel has a viewer base of up to 100 million people across the region. Although the Indian government has banned Peace TV broadcasts in India since 2012, and Naik has often expressed ignorant, and even repugnant, views, there are no recorded incidents of him or any of his affiliates encouraging, or being linked to, any act of political violence. The Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadith Hind proudly refers to a “directory of madarsas of Ahle Hadees…comprising of 650 pages”. These exist across the country, and yet their growth has not resulted in militancy.

Furthermore, the Sufi silsilas found in India are also found across the border, in Pakistan, and in Bangladesh, so why is it that Pakistan seems to breed so many Muslim militants, and India so few?

Since its foundation sometime in the late 1980s, al-Qaeda has had perhaps one leader of Indian origin. Asim Umar was announced as the head of the South Asia branch of al-Qaeda by Ayman al Zawahiri in September 2014. One news report claimed that he may be of Indian origin, although all the information on him in the public domain indicates that whatever training he received, or activity he may have undertaken, happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is said to have written four books, and made a few speeches. No record of any militant activity by him exists. ISIS has no Indian commanders that we know of. On the other hand countries as tiny as Ireland and Finland, with populations of around 5 million each, have contributed more fighters to ISIS than India. As Suhasini Haidar puts it, “According to government figures, 27 Indians are confirmed to have travelled to IS-held territories, 200 are under watch, and about 18 have been charged with attempting to join the IS … The figures for Indians joining the IS are low enough to be statistically negligible (less than 0.00004%) compared to the rest of the world.”

Political experience trumps sectarian beliefs

Culture, and sects, both of which are shared by North India and much of Pakistan, do not explain this divergence, but political experience does. This is most clearly apparent in the fate of the Jamaat-e-Islaami. In South Asia it has four distinct organisations – one in Pakistan, one in India, one in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), and one in Bangladesh. The trajectories of the four organisations have all been very different. In Pakistan the Jamaat-e-Islami is a registered political party, which has often provided support to the military ruler of the day. In Bangladesh the Jamaat-e-Islami has been restricted since 2013, as its charter emphasises the laws of God above that of the Bangladeshi Constitution.

It is in India and the Indian state of J&K, though, where the paths of the JI are very illustrative. The most detailed study of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind, the JI in India, has been done by Irfan Ahmad in his book, Islamism and Democracy in India: The Transformation of Jamaat-e-Islami. Ahmad illustrates how the Jamaat in India went from being an organisation that decried democratic politics and held God’s laws above everything, to becoming a (possibly reluctant) proponent of secular democratic politics, advising communities on tactical voting.

If anything, the Jamaat in J&K went through a more radical transformation. The separatist insurgency that broke out in Kashmir in the late 1980s was initially led by the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, but it was soon superseded by the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The Hizb, with its commander, Mohammed Yusuf who uses the nom de guerre Syed Salahuddin, has often been seen as an outgrowth of the Jamaat-e-Islami J&K (JIJK), so much so that the organisation has often been referred to as the JIJK’s “militant wing”. Part of the reason for this was because Syed Ali Shah Geelani, who has been one of the strongest proponents of J&K’s separation from India, and merger with Pakistan, was the head of JIJK’s political wing. Members of JIJK served on the Hizb’s Sharia Council, but in 1998 JIJK started to distance itself from the militancy and the Hizb, to the extent that in 2004 Geelani broke away from the Jamaat and formed his own organisation. In the last election in J&K, although Geelani called for a boycott of the elections, JIJK did not join him, implicitly acknowledging democratic politics.

It is striking that in the case of both JI and JIJK, a mobilising organisation which began with an ideology that dismissed democratic politics, dismissed secularism, and operated on the basis that God’s laws – and not Man’s laws – should rule, has ended up supporting almost all these principles. In Pakistan, although the transition has not been so complete, the Jamaat is part and parcel of the democratic process to the extent that when the prominent Pakistani-Canadian cleric, Tahir ul Qadri, tried to bypass the electoral system, the Jamaat rebuffed him in favour of elections.

There is a further aspect to the “Sufism versus radicalisation” narrative that it is important to flag. It is no surprise that the countries producing the most militants are also those which have experienced deep destabilisation due to war, and have not been able to deepen their democratic structures. The emphasis on Sufism also comes from a condescending view of Sufis as happy dancers and singers who are all obsessed with love, and who do not care about the politics. Focussing on sectarian differences allows the countries who are most deeply involved in the “War on Terror” to occlude their own role in proposing war, not stability and the promotion of democratic progress, as the answer to security issues. The promotion of “Sufi culture”, therefore, is a bread and circuses approach, distracting the populace with theatre while leaving the core issues of governance untouched. It did not work for the Roman Empire. It is unlikely to work for us either.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Certification for genuine person.

Applicant :Narendra Modi
Certifying authority: An appendix that hurts all the time
Status: Rejected

Bro, could you keep to the topic instead of attacking a poster?

We can have a polite discussion on how Modi has changed his rhetoric.

 

[anakin]

Certification for genuine person.

Applicant :Narendra Modi
Certifying authority: An appendix that hurts all the time
Status: Rejected

Bro, could you keep to the topic instead of attacking a poster?

We can have a polite discussion on how Modi has changed his rhetoric.

Status update: Still rejected but slight improvement might have been observed (Mr. Modi must be honored to be in the same category of APJ Abul Kalam, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa)

 

[CricketCartoons]

Status update: Still rejected but slight improvement might have been observed (Mr. Modi must be honored to be in the same category of APJ Abul Kalam, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa)

Bro you are spoiling the thread.

 

[anakin]

Bro you are spoiling the thread.

Modi is a guy who will surgically remove the appendix that aches ... He is a monster, a hypocrite.
He doesn't care about the opinion of cynical A-holes, who just grumble and grumble about everything in society and have nothing valuable to contribute to society. He is a hunter and destroyer of such parasites.

PS: Sadly, such parasites are in too large a number, and ironically think they are unique!

 

[speed]

some of the stuff that was going on at this sufi forum.

https://m.facebook.com/shoaib.malik...517614113&ref=m_notif&notif_t=comment_mention

 

[Gabbar Singh]

some of the stuff that was going on at this sufi forum.

https://m.facebook.com/shoaib.malik...449517614113&ref=m_notif¬if_t=comment_mention

A few couplets in praise of the nation's PM and this makes these people 'kufr'?

 

[speed]

A few couplets in praise of the nation's PM and this makes these people 'kufr'?

The Facebook comment explains it.

 

[kabbirann]

Modi ,like all BJP hindu's, perfect example of "munh me ram,bagal mein churi as can be seen with Muslims getting killed for "beef" related issues becoming the new normal in Modi led India.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Nothing special he's done so far.


As in nothing special compared to Congress govt.

 

[Rishikesh]

Modi's 'Make in India' a success: Moody's

Ratings agency Moody's has said thatnet foreign direct investment (FDI) inflows havehit an all-time high in early 2016, highlighting the success of Narendra Modi's 'Make in India' initiative. The ratings agency said that the FDI inflows have more than financed the current account deficit (CAD) for the first time since 2004. A country is known to be facing a CAD when the value of its imports is more than the value of its exports.

Net FDI inflows into India hit an all-time high in January 2016 at $3 billion on a 12-month moving average basis. India's current account deficit is now more than covered by its FDI inflows. The basic balance (the sum of the current account balance and net FDI) returned to a surplus in 2015 after being in deficit from 2003 to end-2014.

On FDI, Moody's said that the development of industrial corridors, investment & manufacturing zones, and 'smart cities' will further bolster investment inflows. "In particular, flows into the manufacturing sector are likely to accelerate as the government seeksto boost the sector's share of gross domestic product (GDP) to 25% by 2022. Government investment in infrastructure and the establishment of a dedicated fund in last year's Budget to foster private sector participation in infrastructure projects will also help address some of India's deficiencies in this area and foster FDI," the report added.

 

[Bakasura]

^ Short term success doesn't matter challenge is to sustain,hope we can able to maintain this in future.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Poor Sanjiv Bhatt, Modi/BJP ruined his life and career.

All he wanted to do was the right thing and get justice for all those that died in Gujrat riots, ended up losing his job, being framed for murder, and got called a congressi agent.

We got Nawaz the corrupt and India has Modi the genocide complicit.

 

[Bakasura]

Poor Sanjiv Bhatt, Modi/BJP ruined his life and career.

All he wanted to do was the right thing and get justice for all those that died in Gujrat riots, ended up losing his job, being framed for murder, and got called a congressi agent.

We got Nawaz the corrupt and India has Modi the genocide complicit.

Oh really??

Poor people are those policemen who went to jail wrongly by accusation of fake encounters who will give their life back?

Sanjeev Bhat not able to prove anything in court (out side Gujarat)

 

[blackanhyellow]

Oh really??

Poor people are those policemen who went to jail wrongly by accusation of fake encounters who will give their life back?

Sanjeev Bhat not able to prove anything in court (out side Gujarat)

Lol.

I felt weird being on the side of Indians against a Pakistani (even if it was texaco ), so I had to throw in a couple of jabs here

 

[Bakasura]

Lol.

I felt weird being on the side of Indians against a Pakistani (even if it was texaco ), so I had to throw in a couple of jabs here

Then fine....we will take the jab...Brother

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Modi is a devil and needs to be stopped, in my humble opinion....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi is a devil and needs to be stopped, in my humble opinion....

The more he is hated by Pakistanis the more it proves that he is doing good for India.

 

[Bakasura]

The more he is hated by Pakistanis the more it proves that he is doing good for India.

This is like Sachin Tendulkar thread

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The more he is hated by Pakistanis the more it proves that he is doing good for India.

This attitude does some up a lot of Indians though. They still judge themselves according to Pakistan rather than what Modi is actually bringing to India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This attitude does some up a lot of Indians though. They still judge themselves according to Pakistan rather than what Modi is actually bringing to India.

When your most fierce rival with whom you have had 4 wars discusses and criticises your PM who has nothing to do with your rival you know that he is doing good.

Modi receives so much press in Pakistan his moves so much discussed shows he with his work has put a lot of burn there.

Moody's just showed what Modis policies are doing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Never mind how much press he receives in India he has his own thread on PakPassion a board ostensibly created for the cricket fans of your fiercest rival. How about that?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Never mind how much press he receives in India he has his own thread on PakPassion a board ostensibly created for the cricket fans of your fiercest rival. How about that?

Re read my post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No thanks. Carry on discussing amongst yourselves, I only popped into the thread after a long while because it resurfaced I don't really care that much what Modi is doing unless he's making a fool of himself which he does quite frequently to be fair.

 

[keyser]

This attitude does some up a lot of Indians though. They still judge themselves according to Pakistan rather than what Modi is actually bringing to India.

Lol yet there is a "mega thread" for him on this forum. For someone who whines and pines about "Indians" on this forum seems like quite an obsession.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No thanks. Carry on discussing amongst yourselves, I only popped into the thread after a long while because it resurfaced I don't really care that much what Modi is doing unless he's making a fool of himself which he does quite frequently to be fair.

He is a fool yet he is causing so much heart burn to the Pakistanis.

 

[Bakasura]

He is a fool yet he is causing so much heart burn to the Pakistanis.

I always wonder who got more heart burn because of Modi - Indian pseudo seculars or Some Pakistanis

 

[Rishikesh]

Two years on, Modi manifesto scores 70/100

The Narendra Modi Government has fulfilled 18 per cent of the promises the BJP made in its election manifesto, and work is in progress on 52 per cent, going by the numbers.

That finding comes from ‘Kulhar’, an organisation founded by Mr. Kush Sharma, who has been a researcher with both the BJP and the Congress

http://www.thehindu.com/data/modi-meter-two-years-on-modi-manifesto-scores-70100/article8657161.ece