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New Zealand (235 & 174) defeat India (263 & 121) by 25 runs in the 3rd Test to complete a memorable 3-0 whitewash

Gill has a lot to improve but at least he is improving himself rather than becoming a next KL Rahul. He should average 40+ in longer run.
 
Dk Compared gills batting technique against spin to jaiswal in the second Test.he pointed out gill putting his pad ahead of his bat due to his long stride is always a concern.Gill worked hard and fixed by putting a short stride.I hope Gill keep on learning and improves all the time as india needs him badly.
 
Sarfaraz has also proved to be all hype but no substance. Needs to learn from Sundar.

I am not sure if India has quality young players left aside of

Pant
Jaiswal
Gill
Sundar
Bumrah
 
India should switch back to flat (slow turner) pitches for tests until they develop their batting line up (something similar to 2010s - where people like Karun Nair scored 300). I think India turned to severe turning pitches because Pujara, Kohli were all good players of spin in their peak (even Rahane used to suffer at home due to these pitches). Also Jadeja, Ashwin and somebody like Jayant Yadav (if I remember correctly) were giving good batting cushion in the late order... So they could afford to play on rank turners... And Ashwin, Jadeja had mastered bowling on these pitches...

Now these pitches are no where near those rank turners, but we need bit more flatter pitches to assist our batsmen... Gill, Jaiswal, Pant, etc (even Sarfaraz) are good playing on true pitches... We need to help them out. In the quest of making life difficult to opposition teams we are making things tough for ourselves! Also if a batsman like Jurel is technically better than Sarfaraz, then he must be included even if he is a keeper and not a specialist batsman... In fact he could have given rest to Pant on the field by doing glove-work in between...
 
Ashwin and Jadeja have deteriorated... Time to move on to Sundar and Axar in tests and continue the legacy of spin bowling alrounders... (And don't be perturbed by occasional bowling spells by them) .

But India have lost the seam bowling legacy (at home) Mind you Bumrah is not the inventor of this legacy, in fact Bumrah is good only in white ball & overseas tests... J.Srinath is the inventor of this! Prasad, Zaheer, Shami, Ishant, Umesh Yadav, etc, are the successors... Without this skill (Seam Bowling at home) India will no more remain dominant at home (Most people are unaware of this fact!) These seam bowlers used to pick wickets even on flat pitches and put immense pressure on opposition...
 
Indians can count their lucky stars that Santner didn't play. Had Santner played they would have been all out for 100-130 Max.

Also nice Job by the selectors on the selection of Akash Deep. BRO is sooo talented that he can't bowl, bat, field or run.
 
India ahead, even a 30 run lead is massive on this pitch.
Latham has to bowl Sodhi more next innings, there is enough in the pitch for him.

No Santner has astronomically reduced NZ's chances of a whitewash. They have to bat very well now.
 
Latham averaging 32.6 in his last 38 Tests over the last 5 years.

Good captain but a bit of a liability with the bat.
 
Already have boundary riders ,superb Captaincy by Rohit . Damn just Retire Already and pl take Kohli, KL and Jadeja with U also . Hopeless captain. How this guy won T20 world cup. With such mindset, Australia is going to whitewash .
 
Gone are days bowlers trying hard to get Kohil wicket ,nowadays Kohil is trying very hard to get himself Out in different ways.
 
Another L for mamoon ji

First massive lol L with shaheen vs shoaib Comparison

Then the phainta for babar azam lol

Now Sachin ravindra. Yes I said Sachin. Lmao. This guy like I said is nothing special. He will do ok on flatter tracks. But he will get found out on bouncy wickets of aus and on true turning pitches vs good teams. He is lucky ash and jadeja are past it now. That's about it. This series was lost cause of rohit and virat and ageing spinners. Bad timing.
 
Why is Rohit is getting 2 off spinners to bowl in tandem to right handers ,they will easily get used to it. Did he really have anything in his head ,why can't he get jadeja to bowl and change angle every over. This guy is really one of useless captain in tests for India.
 
Kiwis have been generous in this match against India. Probably they really don't want a whitewash here.
 
kron said:
Another L for mamoon ji

First massive lol L with shaheen vs shoaib Comparison

Then the phainta for babar azam lol

Now Sachin ravindra. Yes I said Sachin. Lmao. This guy like I said is nothing special. He will do ok on flatter tracks. But he will get found out on bouncy wickets of aus and on true turning pitches vs good teams. He is lucky ash and jadeja are past it now. That's about it. This series was lost cause of rohit and virat and ageing spinners. Bad timing.
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Only L is for India who have been humiliated at home in spite of pitch doctoring. Would have been 3-0 if their father Santner played this match. Watch India do bhangra over winning a dead rubber like they did vs Pakistan in 2013. How embarrassing.

As far as Rachin is concerned, he is better than any young batsman in India. None of your young batsmen (or even old ones right now) are any better than him against spin on turning tracks.
 
Mainul said:
Kiwis have been generous in this match against India. Probably they really don't want a whitewash here.
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Why wouldn't they? Stop believing in conspiracy theories like Pakistanis do

They want a fat ipl contract? Best way is to smash india.

Or perform really well. Which they did. Indian poor selections and ageing team helped though
 
Mamoon said:
Only L is for India who have been humiliated at home in spite of pitch doctoring. Would have been 3-0 if their father Santner played this match. Watch India do bhangra over winning a dead rubber like they did vs Pakistan in 2013. How embarrassing.

As far as Rachin is concerned, he is better than any young batsman in India. None of your young batsmen (or even old ones right now) are any better than him against spin on turning tracks.
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India don't celebrate Ls like minnows which would be pakistan.

But yea.

Rachin is mediocre vs proper turn and bounce. Wait till he tours aus.

Only reason nz won this series is cause we are carrying washed up has beens lime kohli and rohit. They have been washed since 2022 itself. Ageing spinners like ash dint help that's about it.
Also nz father shami isn't playing this series.
 
Still pretty much in the balance... Another 2 today and India on top. Lead to 200+ is the danger zone since this pitch is only going to get more difficult
 
kron said:
India don't celebrate Ls like minnows which would be pakistan.
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You clearly didn’t watch India celebrate this match
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And I’m sure India would celebrate this win in a similar manner and based on their celebrations, it would be impossible to tell that they have lost the series, just like it is impossible to tell right now with the way they are celebrating the NZ wickets.
kron said:
But yea.

Rachin is mediocre vs proper turn and bounce. Wait till he tours aus.
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He is no Younis Khan vs spin but he is no worse than any Indian batsman so I don’t see the point of thumping your chests.
kron said:
Only reason nz won this series is cause we are carrying washed up has beens lime kohli and rohit. They have been washed since 2022 itself. Ageing spinners like ash dint help that's about it.
Also nz father shami isn't playing this series.
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Who asked India to carry Kohli and Rohit?

And Shami didn’t play but the so called GOAT Bumrah did. What happened to him in the first two Tests and why did he run away from playing the third Test?
 
batandballbattle said:
Still pretty much in the balance... Another 2 today and India on top. Lead to 200+ is the danger zone since this pitch is only going to get more difficult
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100 more is enough for our batting , do u really think Rohit, kohli , safraz and lower order is going to survive
 
Mamoon said:
You clearly didn’t watch India celebrate this match
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IND vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 3rd ODI at Delhi, January 06, 2013

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And I’m sure India would celebrate this win in a similar manner and based on their celebrations, it would be impossible to tell that they have lost the series, just like it is impossible to tell right now with the way they are celebrating the NZ wickets.

He is no Younis Khan vs spin but he is no worse than any Indian batsman so I don’t see the point of thumping your chests.

Who asked India to carry Kohli and Rohit?

And Shami didn’t play but the so called GOAT Bumrah did. What happened to him in the first two Tests and why did he run away from playing the third Test?
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i am not thumping my chest at all. indian players are bad at spin too. rachin is nothing special. that was the point.

well blame bcci for carrying has beens.

bumrah did poorly yes vs nz. yet again but i already mentioned that i think about 2 years ago itself. nz has been his weakness. so its nothing new really?

and no, you clearly missed the celebration pakistan had after a singlular victory vs india after years of losses since the inception of icc world cup tournaments. They acted like they won the wc. exactly like a minnow. minnow like bangladesh.

and those fans that celebrated in the aane do series, for all know could be fake pakistanis pretending to be indians.
 
anyway ash and jadeja have been past it for a year or 2 now. they are old india really should have lost to aus in the last bg series too.

rohit and kohli are completely washed though. they should never have played. retire with grace. you are rich. but bcci is to blame
 
sweep_shot said:
NZ are effectively 71/4.

They probably need to set a target of 220-250 (for a win).
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120 130 is enough for brittle indian washed up has been lineup
we are effectively down by 3 people given rohit kohli and siraj are playing. we have much much much better players than these 3 fodders.
 
Dropping Kuldeep especially in last pitches is one of stupidest decisions, he would have been handful here . Siraj ,Rohit and Kohli is waste of space . Replace them with JUREL, AXAR would been much better
 
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