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New Zealand (235 & 174) defeat India (263 & 121) by 25 runs in the 3rd Test to complete a memorable 3-0 whitewash

kron said:
anyway ash and jadeja have been past it for a year or 2 now. they are old india really should have lost to aus in the last bg series too.

rohit and kohli are completely washed though. they should never have played. retire with grace. you are rich. but bcci is to blame
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Australia themselves have been keeping washed up players so no chance of them winning in India last time.
 
HARKS said:
Dropping Kuldeep especially in last pitches is one of stupidest decisions, he would have been handful here . Siraj ,Rohit and Kohli is waste of space . Replace them with JUREL, AXAR would been much better
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agreed kuldeep better than siraj here. but its dumb bcci and selectors are beyond pathetic.
 
5 down.

Jaddu is way past his prime and old, picked only 7 wickets in the game. Wonder how many wickets a prime Jadeja would have picked.
 
if a anderson who is a clouderson basically and uses conditions to induce wickets, yet can be called an ATG then ash certainly is.
no? yea he is.
not asking for your opinions.
 
Ab Fan said:
5 down.

Jaddu is way past his prime and old, picked only 7 wickets in the game. Wonder how many wickets a prime Jadeja would have picked.
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prime jadeja would have wiped nz out in the last 2 games easily. would have won 3 0 comfortably. see 2016 series where we destroyed them 3 0.

but yea he is 36 and ash is almost 38. its understandable.
 
kron said:
if a anderson who is a clouderson basically and uses conditions to induce wickets, yet can be called an ATG then ash certainly is.
no? yea he is.
not asking for your opinions.
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If Ashwin can reach 700 Test wickets like Anderson, there can be a case.

Many have reached 500 Test wickets but only 3 have reached 700 Test wickets.

The term "ATG" should be reserved for a select few.
 
sweep_shot said:
If Ashwin can reach 700 Test wickets like Anderson, there can be a case.

Many have reached 500 Test wickets but only 3 have reached 700 Test wickets.

The term "ATG" should be reserved for a select few.
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no he is already atg. better match winner than anderson.
eng do pitch tampering to ensure broad and anderson get wickets which goes unnotcied. cause many desis love to act like unctuous platitudinous sychophants.
 
kron said:
prime jadeja would have wiped nz out in the last 2 games easily. would have won 3 0 comfortably. see 2016 series where we destroyed them 3 0.

but yea he is 36 and ash is almost 38. its understandable.
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Ashwin was the main destroyer in 2016. Jadeja was good too. Honestly 1-2 player can’t win you a test series. To win or whitewash a test series, you need batters to contribute as well.
 
look at the faces of kolhi and rohit. shamefully gleeing lmao. what a bunch of losers.
losing a test series at home and laughing. get lost from my team. just retire.
 
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Mamoon said:
You clearly didn’t watch India celebrate this match
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And I’m sure India would celebrate this win in a similar manner and based on their celebrations, it would be impossible to tell that they have lost the series, just like it is impossible to tell right now with the way they are celebrating the NZ wickets.

He is no Younis Khan vs spin but he is no worse than any Indian batsman so I don’t see the point of thumping your chests.

Who asked India to carry Kohli and Rohit?

And Shami didn’t play but the so called GOAT Bumrah did. What happened to him in the first two Tests and why did he run away from playing the third Test?
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I remember those celebrations very well and I am not kidding when I say I have never seen anything like that. India barely scraped through to a consolation win and the scenes after were comic.

Dhoni took his shirt off and was walking around the field flaunting his bulky figure whilst the rest of the Indian team was doing a victory lap around the ground and pumping their fists at the crowd.
 
Ab Fan said:
Ashwin was the main destroyer in 2016. Jadeja was good too. Honestly 1-2 player can’t win you a test series. To win or whitewash a test series, you need batters to contribute as well.
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yea tail and ar's were saving india for the last 3 4 years. now they have declined, it shows how bad our batting fodders are.
 
kron said:
eve


even if we win bgt series, this wtc is a farce for me. i dont care if we win the wtc final. this loss is a humiliation.
i would trade series win over one off rubbish wtc final anyday.
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Well at least it's a wake up call, can do you good in the long run if a clearout is to follow like there was after the England series loss 12 years back.
 
will young is a very impressive player. how old is he. he has a bright future. what a player.
this is a quality player.
 
sweep_shot said:
If Ashwin can reach 700 Test wickets like Anderson, there can be a case.

Many have reached 500 Test wickets but only 3 have reached 700 Test wickets.

The term "ATG" should be reserved for a select few.
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Usually spinners have higher average than fast bowler but in case of Ashwin vs Anderson, the averages are 24 vs 26. Both played their home matches in conducive conditions and have same away numbers too. In addition, Ashwin has 3500 test runs at avg of 25. Both should be considered ATG or neither.
 
batandballbattle said:
Well at least it's a wake up call, can do you good in the long run if a clearout is to follow like there was after the England series loss 12 years back.
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look at pakistan. dropped babar and shaheen. now they win. will india have guts to drop kohli rohit and siraj? i doubt it.
 
Except for Blundell, all NZ batsman have done well. A poor series for the man with 11 player of series.
 
and sarfraz khan has been exposed badly vs spin.
there is a reason why fatty wasnt getting chances. first needs to get fit. should hve picked axar, jurel and paddikal sudarshan or any of those other talented players we have.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is a test version of 'Aane Do' series. :inti
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and your point being? are you saying indian fans are happy to be in a position where they might win a game finally?

yea no.

this is a humiliation. indian missing players and carrying washed has beens but still a humiliation.
 
Absolute Jaffa

Rate this delivery by R Ashwin to Glenn Phillips out of 10

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kron said:
i am not thumping my chest at all. indian players are bad at spin too. rachin is nothing special. that was the point.

well blame bcci for carrying has beens.

bumrah did poorly yes vs nz. yet again but i already mentioned that i think about 2 years ago itself. nz has been his weakness. so its nothing new really?

and no, you clearly missed the celebration pakistan had after a singlular victory vs india after years of losses since the inception of icc world cup tournaments. They acted like they won the wc. exactly like a minnow. minnow like bangladesh.

and those fans that celebrated in the aane do series, for all know could be fake pakistanis pretending to be indians.
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The Indian players did bhangra after winning the dead rubber vs Pakistan. Not the fans.
 
Average turn this innings is 5 degrees, that is ridiculous.
Will Young playing spin better than any other non-Asian player in the world atm, even Root.
 
sindhiboy said:
Average turn this innings is 5 degrees, that is ridiculous.
Will Young playing spin better than any other non-Asian player in the world atm, even Root.
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root is not even that good vs turn. he has been average on any proper turning pitches. its a myth that he is good.

he was exposed vs even pakistan.

but......he is much better than kohli for sure vs spin and swing. only bounce, somewhat kohli slightly edges him. in his peak
 
sindhiboy said:
Average turn this innings is 5 degrees, that is ridiculous.
Will Young playing spin better than any other non-Asian player in the world atm, even Root.
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so when it swings 10 degrees its ok. but spin a little at 6 degrees odd its a problem? maybe players should learn to bat. need good technique. look at young as you said.
 
Unless NZ give a target of 180-200, I think India should win.

As of now, lead is worth 132 runs (2 wickets in hand).
 
If NZ wins this match then it will be even bigger triumph for them. (Not just whitewash... If they can really suffocate & bowl out India below 100-150 in fourth innings, that will be huge way to dominate a home team)

If NZ whitewashes India, this has to be the biggest "domination" of an opposition team... India might have won in Australia (last 2 series), but those matches were closely fought... But this is something huge! Winning by big margins in comprehensive way (no time India was in the game in any of these matches... Only in this last match they were able to take a marginal lead in 1st innings). I don't remember any visiting team dominating a home team like this... Maybe WI in 70s & 80s were able to do this to Asian teams. I am sure even strong Australia used to struggle playing in India and Sri Lanka...

I am sad that India after dominating like this fore more than a decade (18 series) finally has to surrender in this manner. Kohli & Rohit should retire if they have any shame left!
 
sweep_shot said:
Unless NZ give a target of 180-200, I think India should win.

As of now, lead is worth 132 runs (2 wickets in hand).
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I think you remember what Wankhede can do in fourth innings, how tough it could be to chase... Unlike IPL where there is galore of runs in Wankhede & Chinnaswamy, in tests they will behave strangely and become bowler-friendly... Chennai & Eden Gardens are the standardized pitches where there is balance between bat & ball if one applies... (ever since 1992 SF, Eden Gardens has produced fair pitches). I believe India should play test cricket only on stardardized 4-5 venues like Australia...
 
I think this match will go down to the wire... If NZ holds their nerve they can win, India will be under extreme pressure to avoid whitewash... NZ probably needed Santner's bowling to be on the stronger side, nevertheless they still have a good chance...
 
This is anyone’s game now. Pitch has become a rank turner. 150 will probably require the whole squad to bat to win the test match.
 
Just looged into PP....what an enthralling test match....and series....
Who would have dreamt we would be in this position at start of series
full marks to NZ, for their fighting spirit, intensity and desire to win....
hoping our guys get ijaz packing soon and the last wicket and knock off ....
will be tough....
but not impossible
 
HARKS said:
Dropping Kuldeep especially in last pitches is one of stupidest decisions, he would have been handful here . Siraj ,Rohit and Kohli is waste of space . Replace them with JUREL, AXAR would been much better
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its easy in hindsight to comment....who would Kulli replace.....i can only think of siraj....but then there are times when mumbai aids some amount of swing and Siraj (who i admit has been off color for this seires ) could harness it...but we did'nt know that at start of test did we....
 
Only hope is - test matches are not going down to 4th/5th day these days... So there's not much wear & tear on the pitch... So chasing 100+ is not going to be as difficult as it was a decade back (Batsmen had good defense back those days to stretch the match to 5th day even on turning pitches) But today's batsmen still find a way to succumb on such pitches... So fingers crossed, I think it will be close finish....
 
It’s turning big 170-180 would have been matching winning here 140-150 India is favourites but if kiwis can get them 30-3/4 pressure of whitewash may make it funny for India
 
FearlessRoar said:
IND 263
NZ 235 & 171/9 (43.3)

Day 2: Stumps - New Zealand lead by 143 runs
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Gill, Pant and spinners hand India edge on Day 2 of Mumbai Test​


Shubman Gill and Rishabh Pant's 97-run stand and a demolition job from the spinners ensured that India took control of the Mumbai Test at stumps on Day 2. New Zealand ended the day's play on Saturday, November 2, at 171 for 9 with a lead of 143 runs. Gill scored a patient 90 off 146 balls, while Pant took apart the bowling in the first session with 60 off 59 balls as India took a 28-run lead after Ajaz Patel starred with the ball once again for New Zealand at the Wankhede.

After the work from the batters, Jadeja, Ashwin and Sundar would run through the New Zealand batting order to put India in the driver's seat at the end of play. Jadeja took 4 and Ashwin got 3 wickets and Sundar 1. India had started the day at 86 for 4 after the collapse that saw the end of play on Friday. The pressure was on Gill and Pant early on with what happened on Day 1, but the Indian wicketkeeper would set the tone and wrestle control for the hosts.

Pant hit Ajaz for consecutive boundaries off the first 2 balls and he would add another one in the same over to give India the ideal start. Gill, on the other hand, was calmness personified at the other end as he was focused on rotating the strike. Pant would go on a rampage as he would end up hitting 8 boundaries and 2 sixes in the first session on his way to his 50 off just 36 balls, a record in India vs New Zealand matches. India were going at 6 an over in the first hour of the game at one point. However, both Gill and Pant were given lives by New Zealand with some sloppy fielding.

First, Mark Chapman had dropped Gill when he was on 45 in what seemed like a straightforward chance. Gill would then go on to score his 50 off just 66 balls. The next one would see Matt Henry miss the chance to dismiss Pant as he would also drop a good catch. However, Sodhi would end the wicketkeeper's stay with a good delivery and trapping him in front of the stumps. This ended the 97-run stand between Pant and Gill that gave India control in the morning session.

Jadeja and Gill would see India into lunch in a good spot at 195 for 5, as they trailed by just 40 runs. However, Ajaz Patel would spin his magic after the Lunch break to ensure India didn't run away with the game completely.

The Indian batting order started to crumble as Jadeja was first dismissed by Glenn Phillips before Ajaz dismissed Sarfaraz Khan, who came in at 8, for a duck. Washington Sundar and Gill tried to stabilise the innings, with the star batter taking the attack to Philips and then trying to defend against Ajaz.

However, the New Zealand spinner would have the last laugh as he got Gill out for 90. The onus then fell on Sundar, who would flex his muscles and hit 38 off 36 balls, but Ajaz completed his 5-wicket haul and India were bundled out for 263 in the end.

The New Zealand 2nd innings got off to the worst possible start as Tom Latham had his stumps wrecked by a brilliant delivery. Devon Conway and Will Young ensured India's lead of 28 was reduced to just 2 by the time tea came around. The Blackcaps would take the lead soon after the restart but Conway and Rachin Ravindra got out in quick succession.

Conway knicked on to slips off Sundar while Rachin got stumped as he tried to attack Ashwin. With New Zealand on the back foot, they turned to their rocks from the first innings in the form of Young and Daryl Mitchell.

The duo would add a 50-run stand to add some pressure on the Indian team with some solid defence and big shots. However, a sensational catch from Ashwin saw Mitchell head back to the pavilion as Jadeja brought India back into the contest.

The left-arm spinner would then account for Tom Blundell as New Zealand were 100 for 5 and in deep trouble. Glenn Phillips entertained the crowd with some lusty blows and scored 26 off 13 balls. This included 2 sixes off Ashwin's over but a carrom ball ended the entertainment from Phillips.

India were bouncing at this point but Young would slowly add to the scorecard and hit his 2nd fifty of the game. But Jadeja's dismissal of Ish Sodhi left him without dependable partners and this proved to be his undoing as he was dismissed by another carrom ball from Ashwin, who found form at the right time.

A couple of lusty blows from Henry and Ajaz would put the match on a knife-edge heading into Day 3 on Sunday. But Jadeja would put New Zealand on the brink as he picked up Henry with the final ball of the day.

When Gill was given the job of being No.3, many didn't know if the young batter had it in him to pull it off. Replacing a legend like Cheteshwar Pujara is no easy task as he had masterminded many big wins by defending teams into submission.

But Gill wasn't in the same mold as Pujara and was someone who was naturally aggressive and still accumulated runs, especially in white-ball cricket. While Yashasvi Jaiswal has been India's highest run-getter in the calendar year, Gill would slowly fly under the radar.

And this is what the young batter did in the Mumbai Test as well. Gill kept rotating the strike as Pant went berserk and slowly would get to his fifty. The biggest change in Gill's batting from Pune was the way he tackled the spin attack and those small changes within the series thrilled the likes of Simon Doull. He has changed his trigger movement against spin by taking a half step against the bowlers.

Gill now has 805 runs in 10 Tests this year and has an average above 50. With the Border-Gavaskar Trophy on the horizon, Gill's constantly improving batting will be key and it will be crucial during the run-chase as well.

If given the chance, Ajaz would carry a bit of the Wankhede pitch back home to New Zealand. The spinner, who has his roots firmly in Mumbai, had picked up a 10-wicket haul the last time he was at the Wankehde and followed it up with another 5 wickets on Saturday.

Ajaz would pick up just 4 wickets in the 2 matches so far and needed to step up after Pune hero Mitchell Santner was ruled out due to an injury. The left-arm spinner has now scalped 19 wickets from three innings at the Wankhede Stadium at an average of 17.26. If New Zealand want to win the match, they will need some Ajaz magic in the second innings as well as the Wankhede pitch is pulling off its mischief.

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Shubman Gill and Rishabh Pant's incredible partnership and magic from the spinners have left India with the advantage at the end of Day 2 of the Mumbai Test on Saturday, November 2.
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just a thought out there to the more insightful....
Why does Ash not use the carrom ball even more.....
I remember once he bowled an actual legspinner to some aus batsman, last ball of the day - probably either Melbourne or SCG in 2021....
he's so good at this and should use this as a surprise weapon more often
 
Round of applause for Will Young, a gritty 80 and 50 in extremely tough conditions.

An average of 5 degrees turn is no joke

The turning points of the match were that Gill-Pant partnership and Mitchell+Ravindra throwing away their wickets bazball style.
India will most likely chase this down, NZ needed Santner, very hard for them to win a test in India without him barring factors like the Banglore pitch being a green top 1st day.
 
New Zealand are 50 runs short. They would have defended 180-190 with Santner. Now it is 75-25 in India’s favor.
 
Mamoon said:
New Zealand are 50 runs short. They would have defended 180-190 with Santner. Now it is 75-25 in India’s favor.
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you might recall india were without Shami for the whole series and jasprit for this test...in mumbai especially it generally does reverse on the 4th and 5th days....
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
you might recall india were without Shami for the whole series and jasprit for this test...in mumbai especially it generally does reverse on the 4th and 5th days....
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Bumrah is a clown against New Zealand, so dropping him for this Test helped India. Had he played, New Zealand would have scored around 50 more in the first innings.
 
sindhiboy said:
Round of applause for Will Young, a gritty 80 and 50 in extremely tough conditions.

An average of 5 degrees turn is no joke

The turning points of the match were that Gill-Pant partnership and Mitchell+Ravindra throwing away their wickets bazball style.
India will most likely chase this down, NZ needed Santner, very hard for them to win a test in India without him barring factors like the Banglore pitch being a green top 1st day.
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there's a few turning points in the other two tests that you did'nt point out...and mitchell-ravindra had their number much earlier as well....
i'd say run out of VK in first innigns, gill going for 90, YJ playing that crazee reverse , some other near misses by our bowlers in both innigns....
i'd also say Shami would have been big here as well in other tests, his ability to reverse and pairing with jasprit would have also been a crucial factor...
But yes...as you rightly pointed out - Will young - that innigns was fab and absolute top drawer....
 
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@kron

How embarrassing is this. You would think that Kohli and Gill are celebrating wickets in a WTC final that India is winning 🤣

These losers have no shame. They think they are on the brink of a massive victory. If they had any self-respect, they wouldn’t even be celebrating any wickets and runs in this match.

This is what you call minnow mentality. How shameful.
 
Mamoon said:
Bumrah is a clown against New Zealand, so dropping him for this Test helped India. Had he played, New Zealand would have scored around 50 more in the first innings.
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hmmmmm...i do agree that against NZ jasprit is not that flash, does not have a gr8 record and will credit you with good insight onthis point...Nz - probably they are his kryptonite.....
but what goes to say a guy of his class cant turn it around and he swings hoops around them....
nothing lasts for ever mate....
 
Mamoon said:
Bumrah is a clown against New Zealand, so dropping him for this Test helped India. Had he played, New Zealand would have scored around 50 more in the first innings.
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Just like how Root is a clown in Australia and dropping him for that series would help England?

Warne is a clown against India?

Ponting a clown in India?

Except Tendulkar and 2-3 more, everyone is a clown against some opponents.
 
Ab Fan said:
Just like how Root is a clown in Australia and dropping him for that series would help England?

Warne is a clown against India?

Ponting a clown in India?

Except Tendulkar and 2-3 more, everyone is a clown against some opponents.
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No. Just like how Tendulkar was a clown against Pakistan in Test cricket.
 
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