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New Zealand (346/5) comprehensively defeat Pakistan (345/5) by 5 wickets in their first warm-up game in the ICC World Cup 2023

topspin said:
T20 innings in an ODI.

That's how bad the bowling really is.

I wish New Zealand batted first and scored 400. That would have been a proper test for out batsmen who were content to secure 350ish score.
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Bro after 35-1 in 10 overs, they did will to get to 346. Saud played a blinder
 
Syed1 said:
The guy didn't learn from the 100+ runs middle over partnerships in the Asia Cup by Ind (2x), SL and BD. You think he is going to learn after this drubbing?


People think IK was a great captain just because of his cricketing skills? I think an equally good reason was his high level of education which allowed him to critically analyze situations and make adjustments based on that.

Babar while an amazing batsman, does not have the mental capability or the education to do any sort of analysis.
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He needs to realize it’s a pattern. No matter how the bowler is bowling, once the batters get set he goes into a shell immediately and spreads out the field.

The bowler will have to accordingly bowl defensively. You are going at 8 RPO+ despite a defensive field and lengths, why not just risk having the field in?

This is rubbish, the fielders are so far back that they can just tap and get a single. No bowler can bowl to these spread out fields.
 
Agha and Iftikhar can do the same job, if not better, as Nawaz. So Pakistan can easily leave him out and play only Shada as a main spinner.
 
castortroy said:
The batting line up is too old school and bar Fakhar, who is terribly out of form, there isn't really a destructive batter in the line up.

Then you have the bowling line. The quick bowlers all go for runs and can be extremely expensive and then there is no genuine class spinner.

As for the fielding, that's never changed
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Spot on. There's no way you can have a batsman like Imam opening the innings. I rate Shafique but I'm not convinced that he's ready.

Babar is a good player but more concerned about chasing milestones.

Rizwan has enough technical deficiencies as it is but to make matters worse he's also in constant pursuit of milestones.

This is the precedent that Misbah has set following his Mohali innings when he put his self-interests ahead of the team because he was only interested in retaining his place in the side.
 
CerebralPatriot said:
New Zealand are taking a risk and throwing Ravindra into the deep end by having him open for the first time in a tournament whereas our selectors and fans couldn't fathom selecting Saim Ayub as he "didn't have the experience"

Shows the difference in mentality
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Wasn't the mindset always clear from the get-go?

NZ is trying different players at different positions, Kane Williamson retired at 50 unlike babar and rizwan who weren't going anywhere until 100 was achieved.

We aren't in a situation to win this cup, I'm just looking forward to the development of saud, haris and Abdullah in this cup. Don't care about the rest.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Babar looks shellshocked.

He cant believe 350 is probably not gonna be enough.
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Loads of posters used to make fun of Indian bowling when we couldn't defend under lights when batters got going. Many Indian venues can be tough places to defend. The game changes very rapidly here and can leave a new team shellshocked. Other players know better because of India tours/IPL .
 
Everyone will pick wickets except for Bobby u19 teammate and one of buddies Nawaz "match winner"
 
mominsaigol said:
Wasn't the mindset always clear from the get-go?

NZ is trying different players at different positions, Kane Williamson retired at 50 unlike babar and rizwan who weren't going anywhere until 100 was achieved.

We aren't in a situation to win this cup, I'm just looking forward to the development of saud, haris and Abdullah in this cup. Don't care about the rest.
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I agree - this World Cup I want to see some good individual performances by some of the less exp of players.

There’s no way we’re going anywhere in the cup
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Loads of posters used to make fun of Indian bowling when we couldn't defend under lights when batters got going. Many Indian venues can be tough places to defend. The game changes very rapidly here and can leave a new team shellshocked. Other players know better because of India tours/IPL .
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India is not winning this world cup, 3rd odi against Australia is the template we will lose in semis
 
Saud can ball too but he needs to be given a chance and needs to learn from jadeja ..ravindra etc
 
Do not enjoy Gavasker commentary, always talking about his experiences rather than match he is supposed to be commentating on.
 
Pakistan could still win this and Babar would come out and say bowlers bowled well and we always believed we would win.
 
There is a thread for Sarfaraz - This thread is for this World Cup
 
They’re not bowling SHADAB?

The KING of spin?

Hahahaha.

Man good job by Babar he really is saving his buddy here.

We all know Shadab is a pathetic spinner and badly needs some warmup.

He should’ve been bowling but Babar spared him a century with the ball here.
 
Oh God Mir picked up two gifted wickets, now he is definitely going to start
 
All the uncles and aunties that are crying here need to realize that this is a warm-up. You guys are just sad.

When Pakistan scored the 350 = 'It's only a warmup, it doesn't count. They can't do this against the better bowling attacks'.

When/if New Zealand score 350 = 'Haye haye, this team sucks. Babar is awful and Shadab is hiding'.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if Babar brings on Shadab when the tail is in. If Usama gets a few more wickets how will he justify Shadab's selection over him?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Not really.

If we win, Pakistan is the best team in the world.

If We lose, This was just a warm up and we play like cornered tigers in real deal.

Excuses are ready from supporters.
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But you seem very keen for Pakistan to lose

Must be tough bro.
 
It's crucial to have backup players with significant List-A cricket experience and decent statistics. Players such as Zaman Khan, Shafique, Wasim Jr. should not have been considered for the ODI team. Where is Usman Shinwari? Where is Shahnawaz Dahani?
 
People interested on trolling on this thread can now move on

Many people here want to watch the game and discuss it.
 
Syed1 said:
Oh God Mir picked up two gifted wickets, now he is definitely going to start
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Who are your alternatives we are not loaded with murali and ajmal on our bench atleast some wickets will built his confidence
 
TheSultan said:
I agree - this World Cup I want to see some good individual performances by some of the less exp of players.

There’s no way we’re going anywhere in the cup
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The problem is, ik PCB and I'm fully aware that pcb won't actually develop players.

As I've said before accumulators aren't a bad thing as long as their roles are defined.

Abdullah has shown that he can stay longer at the crease and bat an entire innings in test unlike imam who is guaranteed to go after scoring meaningless runs by over 40, he's also shown a 4th and 5th gear in t20, Theirs a reason imam isn't in t20.

So of Abdullah survives till over 45, he's defo would have made a meaningful match winning contribution, but he's still an accumulator and pcb is obsessed with accumulators.

Abdullah and imam is disaster at opening, just like babar and rizwan is disaster at opening in t20.

I advocated for Abdullah and saim to open, so that one can accumulate and eventually kick into 4th and 5th gear the other can attack from the get go. But I fear pcb will plan imam and Abdullah for 2027 💀💀💀💀, due to their obsession with accumulators.

It's why I advocated for saud, tayyab at 4 and 5 and haris at 7.

People think saud is an accumulator due to his test style of play, but I've been watching the lad for some time, I told people this time and rime again, he literally plays faster then babar, imam and rizwan lol, but no one believed until today where he strikes at 140+.

Same with tayyab, Tayyab is the type of guy who can get you a 70 ball 100.

But PCB has always been massively obsessed with accumulators for some reason, even in 2017 pcb selected haris sohail, Hafeez, malik, Imad waseem and sarfraz in the middle and azhar at the top because they use to ve accumulators and stat padded. It's just by 2017 hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail, Azhar Ali, all transitioned into strikers.

The same way saud went from a wall to a striker. The reason for this is technique which is what I highlighted and Abdullah will soon join this mould.


Problem is, Imam, Rizwan and Babar are never ever joining this mould sadly. Imam is limited in not having a single lofted technique, Rizwan is limited in that all his striking zones are pre mediated shots which won't work against quality batting. Babar isn't limited but babar cares about milestones and deliberately slows down to achieve it, hence he has a mindset problem.
 
People need to relax. This is a practice game no one is taking it seriously except maybe Rizwan lol. Just be happy Babar, Rizwan and Saud are looking in good touch. Hopfully with saud getting to play over Agha or Ifthikar are middle order will be much better.
 
mominsaigol said:
The problem is, ik PCB and I'm fully aware that pcb won't actually develop players.

As I've said before accumulators aren't a bad thing as long as their roles are defined.

Abdullah has shown that he can stay longer at the crease and bat an entire innings in test unlike imam who is guaranteed to go after scoring meaningless runs by over 40, he's also shown a 4th and 5th gear in t20, Theirs a reason imam isn't in t20.

So of Abdullah survives till over 45, he's defo would have made a meaningful match winning contribution, but he's still an accumulator and pcb is obsessed with accumulators.

Abdullah and imam is disaster at opening, just like babar and rizwan is disaster at opening in t20.

I advocated for Abdullah and saim to open, so that one can accumulate and eventually kick into 4th and 5th gear the other can attack from the get go. But I fear pcb will plan imam and Abdullah for 2027 💀💀💀💀, due to their obsession with accumulators.

It's why I advocated for saud, tayyab at 4 and 5 and haris at 7.

People think saud is an accumulator due to his test style of play, but I've been watching the lad for some time, I told people this time and rime again, he literally plays faster then babar, imam and rizwan lol, but no one believed until today where he strikes at 140+.

Same with tayyab, Tayyab is the type of guy who can get you a 70 ball 100.

But PCB has always been massively obsessed with accumulators for some reason, even in 2017 pcb selected haris sohail, Hafeez, malik, Imad waseem and sarfraz in the middle and azhar at the top because they use to ve accumulators and stat padded. It's just by 2017 hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail, Azhar Ali, all transitioned into strikers.

The same way saud went from a wall to a striker. The reason for this is technique which is what I highlighted and Abdullah will soon join this mould.


Problem is, Imam, Rizwan and Babar are never ever joining this mould sadly. Imam is limited in not having a single lofted technique, Rizwan is limited in that all his striking zones are pre mediated shots which won't work against quality batting. Babar isn't limited but babar cares about milestones and deliberately slows down to achieve it, hence he has a mindset problem.
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Please take this discussion elsewhere not on match thread
 
What seems clear is that Hyderabad is going to be an ultra flat track and getting wickets with the new balls will be key.

Shaheen better be at his absolute best. However, Hasan got surprising levels of movement with the ball too which should help.
 
Rana said:
He doesn’t need to do anything spectacular to discredit him,

Plenty of players will do it in the World Cup.
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Let them as long he is consistently performing well for Pakistan and lasting more than 3 overs which his alternatives would last if they had his role in the team, then I am fine with it.
 
Bilal7 said:
All the uncles and aunties that are crying here need to realize that this is a warm-up. You guys are just sad.

When Pakistan scored the 350 = 'It's only a warmup, it doesn't count. They can't do this against the better bowling attacks'.

When/if New Zealand score 350 = 'Haye haye, this team sucks. Babar is awful and Shadab is hiding'.
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It's about reading the game. It's clear our bowling is awful and Imam is a liability as opener warm up or not.
 
Imad should have been the designated backup for Nawaz, just in case he doesn't perform. Dropping Nawaz now isn't an option since there is no equivalent replacement for him in the squad. Letting him go would be a mistake, as it would elongate our tail, which is a risk we can't afford
 
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