Pakistan v New Zealand | 1st Test - Day 3 | Dunedin | 26/11/09

[Momo]

Bond is making Aamer angry. Very angry.

 

[khanlala]

i wonder what Malik is thinking look the way Bond is bowling?

no wonder he was made fool

 

[adarsh_bang]

2 per inning

so we better reserve it for two of our best batsmen right??? like dravid, or yk or ponting etc???

 

[tauseefm]

Thirteenth commandment:

You shalt not waste a review on anybody except these four gentlemen (in the present team):
:aamir :akmal :umarakmal

Susar sahab just saw ur post and requested to add iDaamad into ur list, is it possible?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

there is still the chance of NZ forcing a win

 

[Seen Sheen]

Gud stuff :aamir ,you should have most of the strike..

 

[Poison]

That wasnt out!!!

Its a strange system. They basically dont give it out if it was close, they only overturn the umpires decision if it was blatant.

 

[saeed-sohail]

That was so quick commentators got excited and then husssshhhh. Out?

 

[saadjhussain]

there is still the chance of NZ forcing a win

not if aamir comes and takes 7 for 17 in 8 overs

 

[Momo]

Susar sahab just saw ur post and requested to add iDaamad into ur list, is it possible?

I have two choice words for susar saab.

 

[Poison]

when it comes to review, it doesn't have to clearly hit the stumps...just clipping well get you out...

GUL WAS OUT

However, if its not out, and they appeal, and its clipping the top of the stumps, it isnt out. Straaaaaaaaange system.

 

[Seen Sheen]

Thats it..

 

[Big Mac]

when it comes to review, it doesn't have to clearly hit the stumps...just clipping well get you out...

GUL WAS OUT

Not exactly, if the umpire had given Gul not out and NZ had referred it then it would have remained not out because it was such a close decision.

 

[Afridi_Fan]

Trail by 122.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Its a strange system. They basically dont give it out if it was close, they only overturn the umpires decision if it was blatant.

ccullum ?

 

[khanlala]

not if aamir comes and takes 7 for 17 in 8 overs

well that might be still too much for us to chase...


not too long ago we needed 95 with 8 wickets in hand and moyo and butt playing..we ended up losing to sl

 

[adarsh_bang]

Taufel raises the finger, replays don't reveal any inside edge and Virtual Eye says the ball would have just missed the stumps, it appeared at first that the ball was hitting the stumps so fair call from the umpires



what non sense???

 

[haroonrasheed320]

there is still the chance of NZ forcing a win

chance?? NZ is in the driving seat

 

[Lahoria]

According to the new review system the ball has to be completely missing the stumps if a batsman has been given out by the onfield umpire. If Gul had been given not out then the atleast half of the ball has to be hitting the stumps to change the call. I hope this helps.

 

[Poison]

Decent day in the end for Pakistan.

Well done :akmal :umarakmal

 

[Big Mac]

However, if its not out, and they appeal, and its clipping the top of the stumps, it isnt out. Straaaaaaaaange system.

Nothing strange about it, I'll quote what I said on the bottom of the previous page for anyone who missed it:

"The on field decision only gets reversed if it's blatantly wrong, you need clear and incontrovertible evidence to overturn it.

The referral system isn't there to correct every wrong decision, only the terrible ones."

 

[SpiritOf1903]

stumps. tomorrow a century stand again between A-A, the iDunedin miracle

 

[Dare2Dream]

sahi mein yaar... malik na bowling kar saktha hae... batting tho aor bhi badtar... i cant believe he's representing a nation!!!

It's a shame we have had to carry that dead weight around for so long, time to ditch him, out of form YK or even Misbah are so much better for the team!

 

[saadjhussain]

well that might be still too much for us to chase...


not too long ago we needed 95 with 8 wickets in hand and moyo and butt playing..we ended up losing to sl

true

 

[adarsh_bang]

does asif bat better then ajmal??

 

[haroonrasheed320]

Malik should open the innings at least he is better then Farhat & Manzoor

 

[Big Mac]

ccullum ?

I assume you're talking about the decision at the end of day one? Replays showed it hit him outside the line iirc

 

[Poison]

Nothing strange about it, I'll quote what I said on the bottom of the previous page for anyone who missed it:

"The on field decision only gets reversed if it's blatantly wrong, you need clear and incontrovertible evidence to overturn it.

The referral system isn't there to correct every wrong decision, only the terrible ones."

I think if its hitting teh stumps, whether or not its the middle of the ball or the very bottom of the ball, it should be out. Ponting got one like this today, and it was shown to be clipping the stumps but given not out. What is this?

 

[haroonrasheed320]

does asif bat better then ajmal??

Only & can answer

 

[Cheguvera]

The on field decision only gets reversed if it's blatantly wrong, you need clear and incontrovertible evidence to overturn it.

The referral system isn't there to correct every wrong decision, only the terrible ones.

Then why the frick was McCullum's overturned?????

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I assume you're talking about the decision at the end of day one? Replays showed it hit him outside the line iirc

The replay wasnt used properly - it was frozen before the ball made contact with the pad

 

[PapaBear]

Aamer cleverly deflects one over the slips. Very deliberate. Extremely deliberate. Although he fooled Waqar.

 

[adarsh_bang]

Nothing strange about it, I'll quote what I said on the bottom of the previous page for anyone who missed it:

"The on field decision only gets reversed if it's blatantly wrong, you need clear and incontrovertible evidence to overturn it.

The referral system isn't there to correct every wrong decision, only the terrible ones."

i see??
but what if some mistake is not a ''terrible'' but not overturning it can cost the batting side the match.. what then?? we know its not out.. we know this decision will cost the batting side the game.. but he's got to walk just because it wasn't terrible???

 

[amar1212]

hmm a fun day. will be back tomorrow for sure.

 

[Gollum]

there is still the chance of NZ forcing a win

Indeed they just need two sessions to get us out from looking at today's show by the top order.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

 

[saadjhussain]

Only & can answer

i bet these idiots didn't even know if asif's left handed )

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Lets be frank - the system is a joke. They should simplify it - if a player asks for a review then the 3rd umpire decides if its out, regardless of whether it was a 'terrible' decision or not

 

[Lahoria]

The system is a bit complex but it works I'm sure you don't want to be given out if the ball is clipping outside of leg stumps or just kissing the bails according to hawkeye.

 

[adarsh_bang]

Match State: Stumps - Day 3
That ends an intriguing day's play. A fantastic contest between bat and ball, that's what Test cricket should be all about. Bond's hostile spell put New Zealand on top initially but they weren't prepared for the Akmals. We've seen Kamran play good innings under pressure. Umar showed that it indeed runs in the family.
Pakistan trail by 122. It's hard to say at this point if we will have a result, if the weather permits like it did today. If NZ get a lead of 100, they will have to score quickly and set a target. We'll find out tomorrow. We start half an hour early again. Join us at 11.30 am (22.30 GMT). Cheers guys

 

[adarsh_bang]

Indeed they just need two sessions to get us out from looking at today's show by the top order.

probably one would do.. pak has a stronger lower midlle order and lower order then top order

 

[saadjhussain]

Match State: Stumps - Day 3
That ends an intriguing day's play. A fantastic contest between bat and ball, that's what Test cricket should be all about. Bond's hostile spell put New Zealand on top initially but they weren't prepared for the Akmals. We've seen Kamran play good innings under pressure. Umar showed that it indeed runs in the family.
Pakistan trail by 122. It's hard to say at this point if we will have a result, if the weather permits like it did today. If NZ get a lead of 100, they will have to score quickly and set a target. We'll find out tomorrow. We start half an hour early again. Join us at 11.30 am (22.30 GMT). Cheers guys

what's so confusing?

 

[Big Mac]

I think if its hitting teh stumps, whether or not its the middle of the ball or the very bottom of the ball, it should be out.

So if the umpire gives it not out and hawkeye shows the ball just touched the corner of the bail by half a millimetre the decision should be overturned? Not sure you'll find many people who agree with you there.

Ponting got one like this today, and it was shown to be clipping the stumps but given not out. What is this?

Didn't see the decision because I was watching the Pakistan game, what was the original decision before it got referred?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The system is a bit complex but it works I'm sure you don't want to be given out if the ball is clipping outside of leg stumps or just kissing the bails according to hawkeye.

Yeah if you are New Zealand it works

 

[Gollum]

Match State: Stumps - Day 3
That ends an intriguing day's play. A fantastic contest between bat and ball, that's what Test cricket should be all about. Bond's hostile spell put New Zealand on top initially but they weren't prepared for the Akmals. We've seen Kamran play good innings under pressure. Umar showed that it indeed runs in the family.
Pakistan trail by 122. It's hard to say at this point if we will have a result, if the weather permits like it did today. If NZ get a lead of 100, they will have to score quickly and set a target. We'll find out tomorrow. We start half an hour early again. Join us at 11.30 am (22.30 GMT). Cheers guys

Indeed Kamran has played quite a few terrific innings under pressure. Who can forget his century at Mohali to save the match.

 

[Cheguvera]

The system is a bit complex but it works I'm sure you don't want to be given out if the ball is clipping outside of leg stumps or just kissing the bails according to hawkeye.

In the first hawkeye graphics it was missing leg, not even clipping then after all was done and dusted...Rudi pulled another doctored hawkeye graphics out of his a$$ to show the ball was clipping the bails...

 

[saadjhussain]

Indeed Kamran has played quite a few terrific innings under pressure. Who can forget his century at Mohali to save the match.

not forgetting the one at karachi, that was amazing

 

[Big Mac]

The replay wasnt used properly - it was frozen before the ball made contact with the pad

Yeah, on the one camera. The hot spot replay they put up immediately after showed it definitely hit him outside the line.

 

[Poison]

So if the umpire gives it not out and hawkeye shows the ball just touched the corner of the bail by half a millimetre the decision should be overturned? Not sure you'll find many people who agree with you there.



Didn't see the decision because I was watching the Pakistan game, what was the original decision before it got referred?

1) Yes. If its hitting the stumps, it doesnt matter if its by an millimetre or an inch, its still LBW.

2) Ponting was given not out, and decision upheld on replay, even though ball was clipping top of stumps.

 

[Lahoria]

I'm sure all of you who are complaining would be screaming about how good the system is if it had worked in our favor.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

timeless;

 

[RumiNYC]

Only & can answer

C'mon now..Asif is a night watch man

 

[Gollum]

not forgetting the one at karachi, that was amazing

That was a great match.

 

[Cheguvera]

Yeah, on the one camera. The hot spot replay they put up immediately after showed it definitely hit him outside the line.

Did you just make that up or were you hallucination then...there was no hotspot used during the first day's play...it was only used today...

 

[Big Mac]

That was a great match.

I vowed never to criticise Popeye ever again after that match :*)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I'm sure all of you who are complaining would be screaming about how good the system is if it had worked in our favor.

The system has come in for criticism since the WI-Eng series when nobody had a clue what was going on

Its got nowt to do with the decisions going against Pak

 

[Cheguvera]

Yeah, on the one camera. The hot spot replay they put up immediately after showed it definitely hit him outside the line.

Here is a dose of reality to clear up any and all selective amnesia....

 

[Big Mac]

Did you just make that up or were you hallucination then...there was no hotspot used during the first day's play...it was only used today...

I'm pretty sure Geordie is talking about Martin Crowe yesterday suggesting that they may have frozen the replay one frame too early because in the next frame it suggested the ball might have hit McCullum in line. Right after that they showed a replay of the same ball but using hot spot and that showed it hit him outside the line of offstump.

Before trying to be insulting maybe you should watch the whole game and you'd remember those moments.

 

[Poison]

Here is a dose of reality to clear up any and all selective amnesia....

Half the ball must be inside. Thats the ruling.

 

[Lahoria]

The system has come in for criticism since the WI-Eng series when nobody had a clue what was going on

Its got nowt to do with the decisions going against Pak

I would still have this imperfect system rather than not having anything to change the clearly wrong decisions.

 

[Indiafan]

Here is a dose of reality to clear up any and all selective amnesia....

I dunno if its your eyes or something but in this picture you keep on putting, the stumps start at the second red loine and not where you have drawn it

 

[Cheguvera]

I'm pretty sure Geordie is talking about Martin Crowe yesterday suggesting that they may have frozen the replay one frame too early because in the next frame it suggested the ball might have hit McCullum in line. Right after that they showed a replay of the same ball but using hot spot and that showed it hit him outside the line of offstump.

Before trying to be insulting maybe you should watch the whole game and you'd remember those moments.

I don't care what Martin Crowe said...I watched the whole game and there was no hot spot shown...

 

[Big Mac]

The system has come in for criticism since the WI-Eng series when nobody had a clue what was going on

Its got nowt to do with the decisions going against Pak

The problem in that series was it seemed like the umpires watching the replays hadn't been told that they should only overturn decisions if there was incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. You had decisions that were almost 50/50 being overturned on the basis of some pretty weak evidence.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I would still have this imperfect system rather than not having anything to change the clearly wrong decisions.

Of course i dont disagree with you - i dont think anyone is saying the system should be removed BUT rather refined a little to avoid idiots like Rudi taking the mick

 

[Indiafan]

Did you just make that up or were you hallucination then...there was no hotspot used during the first day's play...it was only used today...

They used the hot-spot on the same delivery next day in the morning. It clearly showed that it struck out-side off. But this was not available to the umpires, the commentators tried this

 

[Big Mac]

Here is a dose of reality to clear up any and all selective amnesia....

Oh no, a single screengrab. I'm sure they've been proven time and again to be 100% infallible while the replays I saw with my own eyes aren't to be trusted.

 

[Indiafan]

I don't care what Martin Crowe said...I watched the whole game and there was no hot spot shown...

It was shown the next day just as the game started. Not the same day as the delivery

 

[Poison]

Of course i dont disagree with you - i dont think anyone is saying the system should be removed BUT rather refined a little to avoid idiots like Rudi taking the mick

Geordie, its not up to Rudi. He just puts the ball into the system, he really plays no part in decision making.

 

[Random Aussie]

Great fightback by the Akmals, Umar Akmal is a real serious talent. Now you just need 4 more batsmen and you are set.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, the rate at which the partnership scored may haunt them as there is still plenty of time in this match for NZ to win it. Would be praying for rain PP.

 

[Big Mac]

I dunno if its your eyes or something but in this picture you keep on putting, the stumps start at the second red loine and not where you have drawn it

The line is in the right place tbh

 

[Poison]

Great fightback by the Akmals, Umar Akmal is a real serious talent. Now you just need 4 more batsmen and you are set.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, the rate at which the partnership scored may haunt them as there is still plenty of time in this match for NZ to win it. Would be praying for rain PP.

I actually don't think so. If we can somehow scrape out another 50 or so runs and get their lead to under 100, and then bowl like demons and roll them for under 200, we've actually got a chance to win it ourselves. Key day for the Test tomorow, draw is still the favorite.

 

[Xoib]

Great fightback by the Akmals, Umar Akmal is a real serious talent. Now you just need 4 more batsmen and you are set.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, the rate at which the partnership scored may haunt them as there is still plenty of time in this match for NZ to win it. Would be praying for rain PP.

Yousuf and Younis are there so its just 3 not 4.

 

[Xoib]

I actually don't think so. If we can somehow scrape out another 50 or so runs and get their lead to under 100, and then bowl like demons and roll them for under 200, we've actually got a chance to win it ourselves. Key day for the Test tomorow, draw is still the favorite.

jokes

 

[Random Aussie]

I actually don't think so. If we can somehow scrape out another 50 or so runs and get their lead to under 100, and then bowl like demons and roll them for under 200, we've actually got a chance to win it ourselves. Key day for the Test tomorow, draw is still the favorite.

Yes that is possible and what you would be hoping for.

But I am neutral here and NZ are going to win this match, barring rain.

 

[Random Aussie]

Yousuf and Younis are there so its just 3 not 4.

Only when he feels like it

 

[Cheguvera]

I dunno if its your eyes or something but in this picture you keep on putting, the stumps start at the second red loine and not where you have drawn it

Ok genius now look at this picture without the lines and tell me where does the frickin stumps start...That yellow thing right above the pad with black blurred lettering is the god forsaken off stump...

 

[Cheguvera]

Oh no, a single screengrab. I'm sure they've been proven time and again to be 100% infallible while the replays I saw with my own eyes aren't to be trusted.

Well there is no cure for blindness and cognitive dissonance...

 

[Big Mac]

Ok genious now look at this picture without the lines and tell me where does the frickin stumps start...That yellow thing right above the pad with black blurred lettering is the god forsaken off stump...

Oh the ironing

 

[Cheguvera]

Oh the ironing

Oh the blindness...it's called a typo BTW...

Now are you still blind and can you make out the off stump or does it start somewhere else now...

 

[Sheikh]

Great rescue act from the Akmals, with Umar making a Miandad-esque debut. Excellent support from Kamran, who played very sensibly, except for the shot which led to his dismissal.

No surprise the others failed. Bar Fawad who fought it out and was dismissed by a Bond snorter, and Yousuf who's class will prevail, the others are just not good enough. Really missing Younis at #3.

Kiwis hold the advantage, and will be looking at setting us about 350 in 100 overs or so. I still think all results remain viable. We could still steal this.