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Pakistan v West Indies | 1st Test (D/N) | Dubai (DSC) | Oct 13-17, 2016 | Day 4

Need to bat a good pace here. We need to give enough time to the bowlers to take the ten wickets to win the game.
 
We should move someone up the order in an effort to up the strike rate. Sarfraz or Amir.
 
Markhor said:
Not sure if we need to put up that many runs - even another 100-120 on the board would suffice.

Don't see WI chasing anything above 250 on a pitch where there is rough for the spinners to exploit. Spinners are extracting some turn now.
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I understand, but knowing Misbah for so many year, I can bat you he wouldn't declare until we cross 150/160.

Indeed, pitch is doing some tricks now and both Yasir and even Nawaz were turning the ball much more today.
 
73 Overs remaining Pakistan should bat 40 overs and try to score 180 give 120 overs and 400 target to bowlers to get WI out again
 
Watsupdoc said:
Need to bat a good pace here. We need to give enough time to the bowlers to take the ten wickets to win the game.
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If Pak do not get 3/4 top order wickets by the tea break WI will draw the match tomorrow. Big risk from Misbah. Now Yasir and Wahab will have to save him the embarrassment.
 
Slog said:
Haha amazing

This was real test of whether Nawaz can be a good option

I think he did well

Took the big wicket of bravo and instantly delivered when conditions became a bit helpful

And when conditions were terrible he was economical and kept it tight
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Don't know why he's been called toothless. Was very useful.
 
Would be a grievous mistake to bat more than 35 overs here. Need to go at 5 an over too to set a target of around 400.
 
I'm sure Misbah is looking at around playing 40 overs here and then declaring to leave Windies around 125 overs to survive in the 4th innings. 125 overs is a massive number. If you still can't get a team out in 125 overs in the 4th innings, then either the pitch is an absolute road or you have to give credit to the opponents. Therefore I see nothing wrong in Misbah batting here. Also the Pakistani bowlers have bowled 123 overs already. You can't ask them to bowl another 120 overs. They're humans not machines. Misbah also has to keep an eye on the rest of the test matches. The next test match is only 4 days away. You can't overwork your bowlers.
 
MMHS said:
I have seen little in last days, but 2nd day end was simply pathetic. Watched some high lights of Dharmashala match - MS put Kiwis in & started with 3 slips a Gully in an ODI with Pandeya the bowler - Misbah had 579 at hand against tiered side on field for 11 hours & he had 22 overs left for the day - he allowed an edge through 3rd slip in 2nd over ..... and PAK needs to win 3-0 to keep their points ...
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yess bro i was thinking the same.....
 
We are on course guys, just keep doing this, and we can easily get 200 in 40 overs and then put in WI for last full session and even if we can get only two wickets tonight, it will be a prefect day for pak, but if WI keep all ten wickets tonight then they will have 50, 50 chance of draw.
 
I know it a bit early, but I can see the intend by the openers.

13 runs on the board in just 2 over, with RR of 6.00. Somehow need not to let it go down than 4.5 at least.
 
Not at all worried about our run-rate. Even if we go slow, we have Misbah the equalizer. He will run amok against Bishoo and Chase.
 
MMHS said:
Are you scared that WI will score 400?

What you are saying exactly would have been the case had WI been the coach.
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I'm talking about what I think Misbah will do, not what I'd do in this situation. Misbah is defensive first and foremost, see the 3rd Pak Eng Test last day or the end of the 2nd day in this Test.
 
70 overs left

We should bat got 45/50 overs and have 20 overs to bowl at Windies today

Even if we go at 4 per over (should really be aiming much higher) that's about 175- 200 more runs and hence an unassailable lead of about 400
 
Azhar can never play fast from get go, regardless of the format - brings too much pressure on himself and gets out.
 
Azhar's dismissal may be a blessing in disguise. He did brilliantly in the first innings but we need to go at an ODI pace of 4+ RPO here.
 
DRsohail said:
yess bro i was thinking the same.....
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Test cricket is the true reflection of attitude - in a fixed over game being attacking is not an option, it's forced (otherwise no body will mind if you increase your average with 36* in 60 overs). But in Test, you have two options - play safe & risk/manage a draw or take risk to win/lose. Here Misbah has no chance of losing, still his field placings & PAK's scoring rate indicates the attitude.

This is why, he'll never be in same line with Imran, Kardar or Mushtaq.
 
Not watching but let me guess. Azhar shuffles across to get in line to play 'positively' and loses his balance.
 
Well, if this doesn't tell that Aazzu is not for fast scoring, nothing can. Sarfy should have come as opener today, but may be as he didn't bat in 1st innings, Arthur wasn't convinced.
 
Good decision by sami, but very average one by umpire to give it out in first place, on the flip side azhar shouldn't complain much to have some rest after that marathon inning and pak may also be better off without him in this situation, let's see if our lot can up the tempo in tests in these kind of situations or can't,
 
MMHS said:
Well, if this doesn't tell that Aazzu is not for fast scoring, nothing can. Sarfy should have come as opener today, but may be as he didn't bat in 1st innings, Arthur wasn't convinced.
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Azhar can't play fast from get go to safe him life. He takes too much time to settled down, however, playing fast is need of the hour. So not surprised that he's out. It's not his cup of tea - play briskly, and this is why I call him limited player.
 
MMHS said:
Test cricket is the true reflection of attitude - in a fixed over game being attacking is not an option, it's forced (otherwise no body will mind if you increase your average with 36* in 60 overs). But in Test, you have two options - play safe & risk/manage a draw or take risk to win/lose. Here Misbah has no chance of losing, still his field placings & PAK's scoring rate indicates the attitude.

This is why, he'll never be in same line with Imran, Kardar or Mushtaq.
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some of the posters here say that misbah was attacking in some of the wc2015 matches and claim that he was an attacking captain in LOI but i dont agree..that attack was more of a imposed one ......i mean he had no other option there otherwise he is so ensive even his batting,,captaincy,,,when he speaks etc......some posters here rate him above kardar but i dont think so.....he has got just one way of doing it pile up runs and dry out scoring possiblities ,,,,,the rest will be ok which is not a fascinating way.....neither it does work eveytimes......
 
MMHS said:
Test cricket is the true reflection of attitude - in a fixed over game being attacking is not an option, it's forced (otherwise no body will mind if you increase your average with 36* in 60 overs). But in Test, you have two options - play safe & risk/manage a draw or take risk to win/lose. Here Misbah has no chance of losing, still his field placings & PAK's scoring rate indicates the attitude.

This is why, he'll never be in same line with Imran, Kardar or Mushtaq.
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do u remember 2nd test match in UAE during NZ tour 2014.....will tell evething from maching....and 3rd test..approach from macculum summs it up......he may be a good man manger which i doubt too ..
 
DRsohail said:
some of the posters here say that misbah was attacking in some of the wc2015 matches and claim that he was an attacking captain in LOI but i dont agree..that attack was more of a imposed one ......i mean he had no other option there otherwise he is so ensive even his batting,,captaincy,,,when he speaks etc......some posters here rate him above kardar but i dont think so.....he has got just one way of doing it pile up runs and dry out scoring possiblities ,,,,,the rest will be ok which is not a fascinating way.....neither it does work eveytimes......
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Misbah is very good in "Result Wicket" - he'll do regular exercise, keep things tight, not much bowling changes, standard fielding positions .... but he is poor to react any change for that he is not a good option for LO cricket.
 
Both, Azhar and Shafiq proving that's they can't play fast still.

I guess it's very simple - they can't play fast in demanding circumstance.
 
MMHS said:
Misbah is very good in "Result Wicket" - he'll do regular exercise, keep things tight, not much bowling changes, standard fielding positions .... but he is poor to react any change for that he is not a good option for LO cricket.
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On batting track or good batting opposition, time factor is important to take 20 wickets. But when we say anything about low strike rate of batsmen, ppers say that we are T20 fans and don't know about test cricket
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Turn and Bounce, Yasir is licking his lips right now!
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Yeah the pitch is now more sporting than it has been at any time in this Test. Wish it was the case from Day 2.

Anyway as much as I like Azhar and Shafiq, they're not the right batsmen for this situation where we need quick runs so their wickets may be blessings in disguise.

Would like to see Sarfraz promoted or even Misbah coming out and bashing the spinners. Babar too can bat at a good SR.
 
We have this match in the bag even if we get all out under 150, but i am not worried about winning this match but more about how indians gonna make fun of our lot spin playing ability if we put up such a shameful batting display on this road in our fortress UAE vs a 3rd grade team, that will be epic.
 
I don't get the mentality of our fans. I don't know what match all of you were watching but Azhar didn't get out trying to attack, nor was he even attacking.

He has a tendancy to open up early against pacers recently and he does get struck on the pad. That ball moved in at pace but it was a poor decision, did look like going down leg.

It would be nice if we didn't use natural mistakes in humans to push our own agenda. He batted well in the first innings and it can be difficult to start again/concentrate at that same level again after fielding for 120 overs. Don't forget hes been on the field for the entire 4 days of the match in the heat. Using this dismissal to prove he can't play quickly when he batted at a strike of above 90 against the same bowlers in an odi is disgusting.
 
Pakprideuk said:
I don't get the mentality of our fans. I don't know what match all of you were watching but Azhar didn't get out trying to attack, nor was he even attacking.

He has a tendancy to open up early against pacers recently and he does get struck on the pad. That ball moved in at pace but it was a poor decision, did look like going down leg.

It would be nice if we didn't use natural mistakes in humans to push our own agenda. He batted well in the first innings and it can be difficult to start again/concentrate at that same level again after fielding for 120 overs. Don't forget hes been on the field for the entire 4 days of the match in the heat. Using this dismissal to prove he can't play quickly when he batted at a strike of above 90 against the same bowlers in an odi is disgusting.
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What else do you expect from PP hipsters?
 
Pakprideuk said:
I don't get the mentality of our fans. I don't know what match all of you were watching but Azhar didn't get out trying to attack, nor was he even attacking.

He has a tendancy to open up early against pacers recently and he does get struck on the pad. That ball moved in at pace but it was a poor decision, did look like going down leg.

It would be nice if we didn't use natural mistakes in humans to push our own agenda. He batted well in the first innings and it can be difficult to start again/concentrate at that same level again after fielding for 120 overs. Don't forget hes been on the field for the entire 4 days of the match in the heat. Using this dismissal to prove he can't play quickly when he batted at a strike of above 90 against the same bowlers in an odi is disgusting.
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I'd much rather have Sarfraz out there instead of Azhar.
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
On batting track or good batting opposition, time factor is important to take 20 wickets. But when we say anything about low strike rate of batsmen, ppers say that we are T20 fans and don't know about test cricket
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I think, from Day 1, it was a contest between PAK Bowlers & Clock. Had PAK bowled first, time factor would have been less as only 3 innings were required; since PAK is batting first, additional 60 overs should be considered.

I think, this wicket is much better than it looks (from bowling perspective). It's not possible to make green wicket in UAE, in fact Green wicket would have bonded the surface & take out any spin what so ever is there. For D/N Test, rather than pink ball, biggest factor is dew in Asia & I explained that few months back. What happens that, what ever rough is created, 2/3 hours under dew actually bonds that over night therefore this wicket is holding longer. To keep the ball in shape, they have kept longer grass on out field which is another blonder, as it takes out reverse swing. Even with pink ball, had it been Day Test, by now WI would have been 15 down (combined innings), still needing 150 so make PAK bat again.

If they are to play D/N Test is Asia,it has to be between April to August - even in early October, Mash didn't bowl full quota of Sakib at Chittagong, it'll be even worse with Pink ball.
 
Pakprideuk said:
I don't get the mentality of our fans. I don't know what match all of you were watching but Azhar didn't get out trying to attack, nor was he even attacking.

He has a tendancy to open up early against pacers recently and he does get struck on the pad. That ball moved in at pace but it was a poor decision, did look like going down leg.

It would be nice if we didn't use natural mistakes in humans to push our own agenda. He batted well in the first innings and it can be difficult to start again/concentrate at that same level again after fielding for 120 overs. Don't forget hes been on the field for the entire 4 days of the match in the heat. Using this dismissal to prove he can't play quickly when he batted at a strike of above 90 against the same bowlers in an odi is disgusting.
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Nice post. Some people do have an agenda against him and it's quite unfortunate.
 
Pakprideuk said:
I don't get the mentality of our fans. I don't know what match all of you were watching but Azhar didn't get out trying to attack, nor was he even attacking.

He has a tendancy to open up early against pacers recently and he does get struck on the pad. That ball moved in at pace but it was a poor decision, did look like going down leg.

It would be nice if we didn't use natural mistakes in humans to push our own agenda. He batted well in the first innings and it can be difficult to start again/concentrate at that same level again after fielding for 120 overs. Don't forget hes been on the field for the entire 4 days of the match in the heat. Using this dismissal to prove he can't play quickly when he batted at a strike of above 90 against the same bowlers in an odi is disgusting.
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You are missing the point - I watched his dismissal. He didn't attack, but he was batting with a target in mind, which forced him to loose his defense. Same ball, on day 1 he would have played a copy book front-foot defense.

Bringing his ODI SR actually indicates that you haven't factored the context of ODI game. Both are openers & Azhar has SR of almost 80, someone Gordon Grineedge has a SR of 65 - ODI game has changed in 25 years more than any game in it's entire history. This year, best Pitcher in MLB has a regular season ERA of 3.0 (take it as economy for Cricket) - 130 years back, CY Young had ERA of 3.05 in 1876 ....

I have seen both - without any hesitation, I'll pick Rameez Raja as ODI opener over Azhar. Don't go by SR or Average - check how many times PAK has won with Rambo scoring a 60 & Azhar scoring a 80.
 
Guys, assuming Babar Azam scores a 60-70 here again in the 2nd innings, who would you drop for the 2nd Test match considering Younis Khan comes straight back into the team?

I would drop Babar Azam despite his runs and keep Nawaz. Simply because of the fact that he have a congested Test match fixtures list and it's imperative to keep our bowlers injury free and their workload to a minimum. I think we need to play with 5 bowlers in this WI test series.
 
putF%8id said:
Azhar can never play fast from get go, regardless of the format - brings too much pressure on himself and gets out.
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that is an area of concern for both azhar and shafiq... when they have to play quick and play the ball they are all at sea... both of them have to develop their game on accelerating, they go fishing at boundaries on good balls where they can steal a single out of it...
 
I do not know if people remember but Sami Aslam and Babar Azam were the openers for Pakistan in the U-19 world cup of 2014.

So they have batted together a lot. Should be a good partnership.
 
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