Pakistan vs South Africa...Day 3 from Centurion.

[shan]

This situation is just like the one against England 05, in Multan (1st Test), when Pakistan set England around 200 runs to get, which they failed. The batting in the first innings is also quite close to the game we see now in SA. Here's the scorecard: http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/ENG_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/ENG_PAK_T1_12-16NOV2005.html

we are in better position here but we don't have Shoaib.

 

[siddharth]

we are in better position here but we don't have Shoaib.

In multan you didn't have Asif.

 

[James]

4th innings at Centurion in the new year can be a nightmare - if the game hasn't been rained off by then! Another 200 runs and things could get very interesting.

 

[Hash]

In multan you didn't have Asif.

plus the pitch in Multan was still excellent for batting. This pitch has started to do some tricks and is likely to do more on day 5.

 

[shan]

In multan you didn't have Asif.

but Shoaib is way better bowler then Asif. Akhtar is needed to clean tail quickly if u want to defend 200.

 

[James]

If I was a Pak supporter, then there is no bowler I would rather see in the 4th innings here than Shoaib - Pak are more reliant on accurate seam bowling and an inconsistent legspinner to take the wickets here and I'm not sure in such a tight situation, that is what is required.

 

[arsal_pakfan]

we did it against Westindies recently at Karachi without Shoaib & we have done it in India & Westindies bowling out opposition in 4th innings without Shoaib

I dont see why we can't do it here aswell on a much supportive wicket for the bowlers on day 5

 

[Pak_Attack]

even this pitch for pakistan seamers should be very useful compare it to the pitches in domestic cricket and this is like a terror track

 

[siddharth]

but Shoaib is way better bowler then Asif. Akhtar is needed to clean tail quickly if u want to defend 200.

i didn't know that

 

[Daoud]

We first need to get a score that is defendable then worry about whether our bowlers can/will/wont be able to bowl them out

 

[Hash]

We first need to get a score that is defendable then worry about whether our bowlers can/will/wont be able to bowl them out

Exactly.

Take it session by session...........if we bat for two sessions we should have a lead of approaching 200. Ideally we need to bat and then declare with 3 or 4 overs left for the saffies to negotiate.

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

I agree with some that anything 200+ may be a good target. It just highlights how much Rana lost it for us. Conceding 92 runs in 17 overs is a disgrace. If he'd only conceded 40 runs, would have been in the lead already. Every run counts.

 

[Hash]

Rana can be excused in the end though......he got a couple of wickets including the crucial one of Gibbs.

Nazir cost us more in this match.

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Yes, Nazir as well. But Rana more to blame in my opinion.

Although, Nazir conceded 96 runs in 20 overs, I felt Rana had already gifted too many runs by the time he got his two wickets. And Rana is supposedly the more experienced out of the two.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Rana can be excused in the end though......he got a couple of wickets including the crucial one of Gibbs.

Nazir cost us more in this match.

to be fair Nazir could have easily had both Prince and Gibbs(close LBW shouts and the caught and bowled denied)

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Yes, Nazir as well. But Rana more to blame in my opinion.

Although, Nazir conceded 96 runs in 20 overs, I felt Rana had already gifted too many runs by the time he got his two wickets. And Rana is supposedly the more experienced out of the two.

Not really...Rana has only played what 8 test matches.

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Yaar puppoo thung naa kar!

Out of the two, who would you regard as the senior bowler?

 

[James]

Hoggard is way better than both of them

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Hoggard is way better than both of them

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bollox

 

[James]

26 wickets at 19 in this country for Hoggard wasn't it? Rana looks to be off to a good start in his bid to prove the fanboys right that he is a much more proven and much better test bowler.

 

[evertonfan]

Don't be daft Whippy. Hoggard could only manage a crappy 12 wicket haul in Jo'Burg which meant nothing to our victory there. How you can say he is better than Rana and Nazir is beyond me.

 

[James]

Do Rana and Nazir even have 12 test wickets between them yet?

 

[Uzzy]

Do Rana and Nazir even have 12 test wickets between them yet?

Nazir has 34 wickets at 31.88 which is good. I accept Rana is a rubbish test bowler but since the tour of England in the summer and onwards, Nazir along with Gul have done admirably.

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Listen...what the hell has Hoggard got to do with anything here? Just remember that your Hoggard done nothing to prevent FIVE - ZERO.

Let's stick to the subject of this Thread, or start another one about your Hoggard...what a pile of rubbish he really is.

 

[James]

Nazir has been unlucky with selections, he looks pretty good and am sure will continue to prove himself as a decent bowler, regardless of 1 or 2 bad days in this match. Rana is a pyjama bowler that fails when he has to play the real man's game apart from 1 or 2 decent opening spells against a poor England top order, and that at home!

Gimme Hoggard anyday.

 

[James]

Listen...what the hell has Hoggard got to do with anything here? Just remember that your Hoggard done nothing to prevent FIVE - ZERO.

Let's stick to the subject of this Thread, or start another one about your Hoggard...what a pile of rubbish he really is.

Rana v Hoggard is related to another thread and I've brought it in here to generate some discussion. Judging from the unoriginal and petulant content of your post it looks like you won't be adding much to any discussion.

 

[Uzzy]

Although Rana may be rubbish in tests i should add that he does take vital wickets and make breakthroughs. Other than that well...

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Rana v Hoggard is related to another thread and I've brought it in here to generate some discussion. Judging from the unoriginal and petulant content of your post it looks like you won't be adding much to any discussion.

You always resort to this gutter level.

Listen mate...Hoggard Vs Rana .... I don't give a sh1t. They are both over rated second class bowlers. I wouldn't even waste my time comparing junk. Lets compare the main bowlers....ooops, who have you got?, who have you had?

 

[evertonfan]

I'd say a bowler who ranks 6th in the Test rankings and has been as high as 4th last year is pretty 'main'.

 

[James]

You always resort to this gutter level.

Always do what - I've never directed a post at you before in my life. And what gutter level?

Listen mate...Hoggard Vs Rana .... I don't give a sh1t. They are both over rated second class bowlers. I wouldn't even waste my time comparing junk. Lets compare the main bowlers....ooops, who have you got?, who have you had?

You seemed to care 10 minutes ago when you went spare about Rana and Hoggard. But oh well.

I would love to compare the main bowlers. Hoggard, Harmison and Flintoff was a damn good attack, one of the better ones around, now it has gone down the drain and been overtaken by several other pace attacks.

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

I'd say a bowler who ranks 6th in the Test rankings and has been as high as 4th last year is pretty 'main'.

Evertonfan, I have nothing against you and I applaud your respect for one of your own. But this Thread has got nothing to do with Hoggard. Another one of your own, has waded in and started this Hoggard thing.

So please understand it's not personal, and whatever stats you bring up about Hoggard, I have always thought and will always think that he his just sh1t.

And I will always feel that if he's genuinely considered one of your 'main' bowlers, then it really doesn't say too much about your bowling attack. As I can imagine your very own Geoffery Boycott saying .."it's nothing to shout about..."

 

[AWAN IN A MILLION]

Always do what - I've never directed a post at you before in my life. And what gutter level?



You seemed to care 10 minutes ago when you went spare about Rana and Hoggard. But oh well.

I would love to compare the main bowlers. Hoggard, Harmison and Flintoff was a damn good attack, one of the better ones around, now it has gone down the drain and been overtaken by several other pace attacks.

My gripe is with Rana...and then you, like a sneak, comes in and stirs it with your Hoggard comments/comparisons. And then you sneak back of..you do that a lot whippy.

Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard, Panesar .... Akthar, Asif, Gul, Kaneria. I know who I would rather have. And you are entitled to you ropinion, so don't get smart or take it as a dig Whippy.

 

[Pak_Attack]

Nazir has been unlucky with selections, he looks pretty good and am sure will continue to prove himself as a decent bowler, regardless of 1 or 2 bad days in this match. Rana is a pyjama bowler that fails when he has to play the real man's game apart from 1 or 2 decent opening spells against a poor England top order, and that at home!

Gimme Hoggard anyday.

whether rana was at home or away it doesnt make a difference, in fact its a lot harder to bowl on pakistani pitches where a lot of other bowlers from other countries are exposed, though I do agree Rana has been very poor of late.

 

[Gunner786]

inzi speaks again

CENTURION: Skipper Inzamam-uk-Haq has said that his team will try set the target of 350 after forgetting umpires' third-day decisions here at in the second innings of first Test against home team South Africa.

Talking to Geo news, he said a target of even 230 would be difficult to chase, adding his team will play tomorrow to set a winning target against the home team.

He praised his team for fighting back on third day, while he refused to comment on decisions made by umpires during the day.

To a query, he commented that the match referee should take notice of Andre Nel's provocative actions, saying Pakistan team management would formally table the matter to the referee.