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[PICTURES] Is Virat Kohli the greatest ODI run chaser in history?

fatichar said:
Tendu lacked the mental toughness required for chasing mountains. He was far too conscious about personal score and milestones(even if we assume that he wasn't selfish about those). I think his soberness and lack of arrogance had part to play in his mental weakness. Give him the arrogance of Kohli, and he averages 50+ in ODIs.

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yeah if he had kohli's arrogance,he would have won a lot more games for India than he eventually did.
 
Strike Rate said:
So to be successful in odi you need to score in chases and 2nd innings? 1st innings are not important than because you are setting a total to defend? Good logic!!! :P

Just because Kohli 1st innings average is in 30s now we are creating another formula :))
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Have you even read the post u were quoting?
 
steelo green said:
Sample size? What's Kohli's in the West Indies?

The fact is Misbah>Test than Kohli ATM, with Kohli most likely surpassing him in a few years. I'm a Kohli fan, but one can be objective as well.
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Sample size?LOL

Virat has more runs in two tests in SA than Misbah has in 3 tests.

Virat also avgs more than Misbah in Australia.


All Misbah can do is score againist poor opponents or at home in test matches.

Infact in terms of scoring againist quality teams or away matches ODIs are a better comparision.Only if Misbah could score quickly
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sample size?LOL

Virat has more runs in two tests in SA than Misbah has in 3 tests.

Virat also avgs more than Misbah in Australia.


All Misbah can do is score againist poor opponents or at home in test matches.

Infact in terms of scoring againist quality teams or away matches ODIs are a better comparision.Only if Misbah could score quickly
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So insecure. The pitches for both series were vastly different and this was proven when we saw how the Indian bats couldn't buy a run on the seaming and swinging tracks dished out in the ODIs.

In ODI's Kohli is superior to Misbah but the latter is also a very good batsman.
 
soso_killer said:
How is chasing outside the airports going?
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Scored a ton in an alive match, while chasing.

Something ABDV finds very hard to do nowadays, even when playing Zimbabwe.

In fact Kohli is yet to score an ODI hundred in a dead rubber.
 
I remember AB ending on 90 not out to win a series.
Speaking of tons and "alive" matches what was the result of this majestic chase?
 
soso_killer said:
I remember AB ending on 90 not out to win a series.
Speaking of tons and "alive" matches what was the result of this majestic chase?
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India lost. Can't blame Kohli for the ineptness of the other Indian batsmen. Averages 100+ in the series so far and all the other batsmen in the team have failed.

And doesn't inflate his stats by scoring big in meaningless zero pressure dead rubbers.

I dont remember ABDV ever scoring a 90* to win a series. Unless you're talking about the Australia series where he scored 82* and received ample support from Amla at the other end who scored 80*. Kohli could do with another Indian batsman hitting some form on this tour.
 
Scrolln said:
India lost. Can't blame Kohli for the ineptness of the other Indian batsmen. Averages 100+ in the series so far and all the other batsmen in the team have failed.

And doesn't inflate his stats by scoring big in meaningless zero pressure dead rubbers.

I dont remember ABDV ever scoring a 90* to win a series. Unless you're talking about the Australia series where he scored 82* and received ample support from Amla at the other end who scored 80*. Kohli could do with another Indian batsman hitting some form on this tour.
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then you have some research to do.
 
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Even treated McGrath like a club bowler at a tender age in a world cup. Was run out from the boundary from a direct hit by Watson which never happens. That was the only way he could have been out that day.
And nearly chased 400 twice in test matches. So this dead rubber thing is nonsense. The kid is a clutch player
 
soso_killer said:
Even treated McGrath like a club bowler at a tender age in a world cup. Was run out from the boundary from a direct hit by Watson which never happens. That was the only way he could have been out that day.
And nearly chased 400 twice in test matches. So this dead rubber thing is nonsense. The kid is a clutch player
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Nope!!
 
soso_killer said:
Even treated McGrath like a club bowler at a tender age in a world cup. Was run out from the boundary from a direct hit by Watson which never happens. That was the only way he could have been out that day.
And nearly chased 400 twice in test matches. So this dead rubber thing is nonsense. The kid is a clutch player
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Not in ODIs. He has got 6 tons in dead rubbers in ODIs and does not have a match winning innings vs a major side in an ICC tournament yet. Have a look at his ODI record and show me one good innings from a 10/2 kind of situation against a good team. Massively inflated ODI record by beating up crap opposition and filling his boots in dead rubbers. Him and Amla are certified chokers in ODIs.
 
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Pretty boring to watch him bat, but he does what has to be done. Sensible, nothing retarded thats what every upcoming players should try to do instead of trying to be a fake Jayasuriya
 
Bevan, Hussey, MSD and Kohli are all top class finishers. It's pointless to argue who the best is out of these and it's kind of insulting to say things like Kohli >>>> Bevan (or the other way around for that matter). These are all cricketing giants and one can't really dwarf another.

As far as Kohli as a batsman proper is concerned, IMHO he is already an ATG without a peer in today's world. Extraordinary talent.
 
Sometimes we get carried away but in reality ABD, Sanga , Rosco are all as good as Kohli in all formats ...

Just that we get more attention hence these many accolades, happened even with Sachin during Ponting/ Lara era
 
I would agree that ABD is a better Test cricketer than Kohli and every bit as good in ODIs.
 
Only adv of Kohli is his age, he is the youngest of the compared lot hence has a very good chance to finish no 1 of this generation

Moreover i don't think it's any purple patch/ fluke season for him as he is playing the same for the past 3.5 years ... in fact has improved a lot in all formats every series ... toured SA and NZ for the first time in his career and scored test centuries ....

This summer's ENG series in ENG will give us a fair idea on where he is heading as a test cricketer (good/ mediocre/ great) ... in ODI's he is already a legend for IND
 
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Simply the best chaser ever!
Guy is a ruthless machine when it comes to chasing!
 
Agree....He is in a different zone when chasing...loves the challenge of chasing a big total...even more so in pressure matches...his 133 vs SL comes to mind...:kohli
 
He's finished. His career is going the Ajantha Mendis way.
 
mithun_minhas said:
He looked finished today. Had no confidence.

Hopefully he pulls himself out of this mess.
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Nah, selecting him over and over again will be like flogging a dead horse. He strikes me as a Kambli sort of character, has peaked too early and should be put away and someone else invested in.

And everyone should stop comparing everyone to Sachin. Cook and Kohli don't come close.
 
The young man has 19 ODI centuries for crying out loud. Which other young guy comes close to him? even if he under performs in next several months, it won't affect his status as an ATG. He's a legend and one of the best Indian ODI batsman EVER!!!
 
Energetic said:
The young man has 19 ODI centuries for crying out loud. Which other young guy comes close to him? even if he under performs in next several months, it won't affect his status as an ATG. He's a legend and one of the best Indian ODI batsman EVER!!!
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He's as much of a legend as Jonathan Trott.
 
If history means 2011- 2013 then yes...else he is finished as a player. Cant' play offiside and is a FTB :))
 
He has big weaknesses.

He should ask Umar Akmal for some advice.
 
Varun, you must be kidding.

Its easy to kick when a man is down.

Kohli will be back with vengeance. Mark my words :kohli
 
He still is and will be just in horrendous form happens to the best of them.
 
Finshed, Finished I tell ya, finished. Time to look for younger talent #sanjusampson
 
Kohli is world class. The boy is going through a rough patch. Give him SL as free meat. Lord Kohli will rise once again!
 
Kiri said:
Kohli is world class. The boy is going through a rough patch. Give him SL as free meat. Lord Kohli will rise once again!
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Nah...clear weakness around off stump. Getting out in same fashion again and again is not poor form, its poor technique. What a time for Kohli to fall..just before world cup. Come 15th Feb, Mohammed Irfan will pepper him in that line of off stump from that height. Can imagine that scene. :irfan
 
Big Boss said:
Nah...clear weakness around off stump. Getting out in same fashion again and again is not poor form, its poor technique. What a time for Kohli to fall..just before world cup. Come 15th Feb, Mohammed Irfan will pepper him in that line of off stump from that height. Can imagine that scene. :irfan
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He was so good though before the England series. I would see him literally flick length balls on the that 'uncertainty' channel for 4 through midwicket. That was the kind of quality he was playing with. Now, he has a real problem. Maybe it's confidence?

No doubt bowlers will target that off stump line you're talking about. He needs to go through intense net sessions till the World Cup or he screw's up India's plans to post competitive totals.
 
What a knock under pressure again!

India hasnt won yet but they wouldn't have got near without Kohli's effort.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
What a knock under pressure again!

India hasnt won yet but they wouldn't have got near without Kohli's effort.
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Indiahas practically won. Brilliant effort by Kohli and he will soon get his team over the line. Almost a run a ball. The only team that could lose from here is South Africa.
 
They are calm.

Both know they can do it with ease staying out there till the end. If they get out here, India loses. If they still 50th over, India wins.
 
This is heroic stuff from Kohli.


Superb batting in a bunsen burner situation.
 
This is not some phatta T20 type Odi pitch where Kohli can get a 50 ball 100 against Clint Mc Kay , Xavier Doherty and Faulkner . This is a proper Odi pitch with help for the bowlers and quality bowlers like Rabada , Morkel and Steyn
 
It is clear now Kohli's failure costing India during the on going ODI series.

In first two matches he couldn't start and in this match he couldn't finish.

Besides that I feel for Rohit Sharma...he seems in great form this series but all useless.

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Kohli screwed up the run chase along with Dhoni today.

But a fifty after a dozen innings should do his confidence good.
 
He can become one but going through a rough patch these days.

The fluency and wrist work is missing since that Anderson episode.
 
soso_killer said:
Even treated McGrath like a club bowler at a tender age in a world cup. Was run out from the boundary from a direct hit by Watson which never happens. That was the only way he could have been out that day.
And nearly chased 400 twice in test matches. So this dead rubber thing is nonsense. The kid is a clutch player
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Wonder how your opinion changed in an year for de Villiers...
 
Tec15 said:
Can you imagine Mamoon's reaction if Amla and De Villiers played the knocks Kohli and Dhoni did? We would never hear the end of it.
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Adijazz1706 said:
LOL [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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Botting steep run chases is standard procedure for Amla, and de Villiers himself hasn't done much in this regard. Kohli on the other hand is one of the greatest ever in this regard, so of course he deserves leeway for messing up once in a while.

He's definitely in very poor form at the moment and although I wasn't able to watch the match, I am sure he was scratchy again and his SR shows that.

Both Dhoni and Kohli are lightyears ahead of Amla and de Villiers when it comes to chasing totals and finishing off games, so I don't see the point here.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Selfish would have been if he had stayed on & got a 100 for himself. He clearly tried a lot but couldn't get any boundaries.
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from 30-39 Dhoni and Kohli played 35 dots i guess, RR = 3, they didn't even try to hit boundary. He is player who always score at 100+SR.
 
Kohli's innings was not selfish. He was trying the big hits but good bowling/bad form meant that he was unable to get them away.
 
Ab Fan said:
Wonder how your opinion changed in an year for de Villiers...
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My guess: stupid run out vs. India in the World Cup, as well as failure to finish off the match vs. Pakistan after having the game in the palm of his hand.

Although not the same, but his captaincy in the semifinal vs. awful as well. Nerves got the better of him.
 
Poor innings from Kohli. Don't remember when something like this happened last team. He was at the wicket for most of the innings but never liked like winning it for India. Was a very monotonous innings.
 
Well well well...greatest chaser bottling against quality attacks. That too in India. What a surprise.
 
not surprised tbh. this is how all india players role. People (especially indians) label them as legends in their first 2-3 years then they all come tumbling down to Gotham Gambhir
 
Mamoon said:
My guess: stupid run out vs. India in the World Cup, as well as failure to finish off the match vs. Pakistan after having the game in the palm of his hand.

Although not the same, but his captaincy in the semifinal vs. awful as well. Nerves got the better of him.
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Or is it because he was a bit underrated at that time...Amla had better stats...Clarke was at peak and was a lone fighter..Dhoni was going brilliant till that time too...He had competitors..They went down from their while ABD kept peaking...And all of a sudden he gets too much hype...He had a huge craze and fan following all over world and critics start finding his weakness..and after lots of research they get this...
 
ChachaCricket said:
Well well well...greatest chaser bottling against quality attacks. That too in India. What a surprise.
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Are you completely oblivious of his form this entire year? He failed against weak teams as well. The quality of the attack or the pitch has little to do with any of this.
 
dashing_man said:
not surprised tbh. this is how all india players role. People (especially indians) label them as legends in their first 2-3 years then they all come tumbling down to Gotham Gambhir
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Kohli is definitely ODI legend material.

SRT,Viv,Ponting etc. all went through terrible patches in their ODI careers.

I just think his peak lasted from 2012-2014 and he will never be the same batsman anymore.

He will occasionally play great innings but not as frequently as he did in the last few years.
 
Sachin136 said:
Are you completely oblivious of his form this entire year? He failed against weak teams as well. The quality of the attack or the pitch has little to do with any of this.
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When was the last time he chased against a quality attack?
 
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