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[PICTURES] Is Virat Kohli the greatest ODI run chaser in history?

Scrolln said:
Kohli is definitely ODI legend material.

SRT,Viv,Ponting etc. all went through terrible patches in their ODI careers.

I just think his peak lasted from 2012-2014 and he will never be the same batsman anymore.

He will occasionally play great innings but not as frequently as he did in the last few years.
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Kohli is 26 and most batsman reach their peak at around 28-29. So maybe he still hasn't even reached his peak yet.
 
Ab Fan said:
Or is it because he was a bit underrated at that time...Amla had better stats...Clarke was at peak and was a lone fighter..Dhoni was going brilliant till that time too...He had competitors..They went down from their while ABD kept peaking...And all of a sudden he gets too much hype...He had a huge craze and fan following all over world and critics start finding his weakness..and after lots of research they get this...
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Could be. Does this mean he is looking better than he is because everyone else is out of form?
 
Scrolln said:
Kohli is definitely ODI legend material.

SRT,Viv,Ponting etc. all went through terrible patches in their ODI careers.

I just think his peak lasted from 2012-2014 and he will never be the same batsman anymore.

He will occasionally play great innings but not as frequently as he did in the last few years.
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are you saying Kohli is nearing retirement now :))) :)))

no, I disagree. Kohli is no where close to legends like Ponting, Lara, Inzi, Viv, Moyo, Dravid. He just got roads to bat on where he performed, nothing more.
 
Sachin136 said:
Kohli is 26 and most batsman reach their peak at around 28-29. So maybe he still hasn't even reached his peak yet.
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SRT reached his ODI peak in 1998 when he was 25. Although he was scoring runs right up till he was 38-39, he was a different beast in 1998.

I just think, that particular golden run as far as Kohli is concerned is over.
 
Where was the great chaser today? I guess it's because the opponent was not Sri Lanka ;-)

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Scrolln said:
I think his ton in NZ (2014) was against a pretty good attack.

Then again, how many ODI ATG bowlers are around these days?
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Nobody's talking about ATG bowlers, fact is he struggles chasing against quality attacks. And most of his chasing knocks have come in India against mediocre bowling.
 
Mamoon said:
Could be. Does this mean he is looking better than he is because everyone else is out of form?
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But currently in odis, he is head and shoulder ahead of others...Also the competitors have changed...Clarke is gone..Dhoni is no more in peak...Kohli is the one but he lost his form this year...Amla is still there but we have seen that whenever he plays with AB he seems to be a second fiddle to him...To be fair, currently he is undisputed no.1 in odis...and he hasnt shown any dip in form from a long time which has been the case with every1 else..
 
Ab Fan said:
But currently in odis, he is head and shoulder ahead of others...Also the competitors have changed...Clarke is gone..Dhoni is no more in peak...Kohli is the one but he lost his form this year...Amla is still there but we have seen that whenever he plays with AB he seems to be a second fiddle to him...To be fair, currently he is undisputed no.1 in odis...and he hasnt shown any dip in form from a long time which has been the case with every1 else..
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No doubt about that.
 
Jo_Don said:
Where was the great chaser today? I guess it's because the opponent was not Sri Lanka ;-)

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Don't cheapen his Hobart knock, it was one for the ages. Kohli basically destroyed Malinga's career single-handedly, he's never been the same since that epic phainta - especially against India.
 
Pantani said:
Don't cheapen his Hobart knock, it was one for the ages. Kohli basically destroyed Malinga's career single-handedly, he's never been the same since that epic phainta - especially against India.
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Was the opponent Sri Lanka or not?
 
ChachaCricket said:
Lol don't give me overall stats. Bring me his last great chasing knock against a quality knock.
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They are listed in the first link.

123 against NZ in 2014
115, 100, 61 against Australia at the end of 2013
77 against England
183 against Pakistan
and so on...

Also what is more apparent is that when he has chased against good bowling attacks, he hasn't failed often. Unfortunately he hasn't gotten to chase against quality bowling sides very often (around 46 matches).
 
I will concede that Kohli has yet to prove himself abroad and in World Cups.

His away record in Australia especially, averages a mere 15. He has a golden opportunity to make amends in Jan 2016.

Looks like he will remain century-less against SA for another year or two till we play them next. Has not scored an ODI ton against SA yet.
 
Sachin136 said:
They are listed in the first link.

123 against NZ in 2014
115, 100, 61 against Australia at the end of 2013
77 against England
183 against Pakistan

and so on... Also what is more apparent is that when he has chased against good bowling attacks, he hasn't failed often. Unfortunately he hasn't gotten to chase against quality bowling sides very often (around 46 matches).
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India lost that NZ match.

Name the Australian bowlers please.

Name the English bowlers please.

Ajmal the only quality bowler in that squad.

Do you really think I would've brought this up without knowing the stats.

Keep digging, maybe you'll find one.
 
Scrolln said:
Kohli is definitely ODI legend material.

SRT,Viv,Ponting etc. all went through terrible patches in their ODI careers.

I just think his peak lasted from 2012-2014 and he will never be the same batsman anymore.

He will occasionally play great innings but not as frequently as he did in the last few years.
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If he comes out of this bad patch or whatever successfully then he will be an ODI great for sure.
 
Virat kohli is brilliant in chases...No doubt about that...U can't win every time while chasing...The problem with him currently is his dip in form..And he needs to sort it out soon...his technical flaws are there which needs to be worked and if he does he is there with the top bats...
 
Jo_Don said:
Was the opponent Sri Lanka or not?
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So what? No other player I have ever seen could have made a chase of 320 look like 120. When he came to the crease at 2/86, India need 235 in 31 overs. Having been awful all tour and with their two best batsmen back in the shed, SL were firm favourites at that stage. All they had to do was take the game past the 40th over.

Lets see any of his contemporary ODI greats make any effort at chasing that down, and I don't care if the bowling attack is made up of five Farveez Maharoof's, nobody is going to manage it.
 
Pantani said:
So what? No other player I have ever seen could have made a chase of 320 look like 120. When he came to the crease at 2/86, India need 235 in 31 overs. Having been awful all tour and with their two best batsmen back in the shed, SL were firm favourites at that stage. All they had to do was take the game past the 40th over.

Lets see any of his contemporary ODI greats make any effort at chasing that down, and I don't care if the bowling attack is made up of five Farveez Maharoof's, nobody is going to manage it.
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That's a nice story, you should read it to your kid at bedtime :P

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ChachaCricket said:
India lost that NZ match.

Name the Australian bowlers please.

Name the English bowlers please.

Ajmal the only quality bowler in that squad.

Do you really think I would've brought this up without knowing the stats.

Keep digging, maybe you'll find one.
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You asked for his last innings against a quality bowling attack, it doesn't matter if he won or not. Stop changing goal posts.

Australian bowlers were Johnson, McKay, Doherty and Faulkner. If you don't qualify that as a decent attack, then there has been 0 chasing innings against quality bowlers by any batsman in this decade.

England attack was Finn, Tredwell, Bresnan and Dernbach (a decent ODI attack).

Can you list me some chasing innings against quality bowling attacks then, so I know what you call a quality bowling attack? Bowlers have been pretty bad this decade and Kohli has done better against them in chases than any of his contemporaries.
 
Jo_Don said:
Certainly can't be considered the greatest ODI chaser in history :)))
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Who is calling him the greatest ODI chaser based on that one innings? However an innings can be called quality even if it is against a bad bowling attack.
 
Kohli's average has gone up after today and Dhoni's has stayed the same.
So the indian and their fans to compare them with leagues above cricketer than them will bring in their averages.
 
Sachin136 said:
You asked for his last innings against a quality bowling attack, it doesn't matter if he won or not. Stop changing goal posts.

Australian bowlers were Johnson, McKay, Doherty and Faulkner. If you don't qualify that as a decent attack, then there has been 0 chasing innings against quality bowlers by any batsman in this decade.

England attack was Finn, Tredwell, Bresnan and Dernbach (a decent ODI attack).

Can you list me some chasing innings against quality bowling attacks then, so I know what you call a quality bowling attack? Bowlers have been pretty bad this decade and Kohli has done better against them in chases than any of his contemporaries.
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Keep digging.

Surely 'the greatest ODI chaser' has one.
 
Na ishq mein, na pyar mein, jo maza hai India ki haar mein..

Na khanay mein, na sonay mein, jo maza hai Kohli ke ronay mein.. :))
 
Mobashir said:
I am not too much into your discussions guys. But for me a superb chasing knock is an innings like this (I hope you have watched the match, because the scorecard doesn't tell you the whole story)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/567372.html
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That was a great knock on a difficult surface against a good bowling attack. Although it did help that Younis Khan dropped a regulation slip catch off ABDV when he was on 1. But most great knocks require luck like this.

Amla looked clueless against Afridi and Ajmal in that game scoring 20 off 60 balls.
 
He is certainly one of the best up there.

You can't write him off after a bit of lean patch which every almost cricketer faces through his career.
 
He's still on track to be a great ODI batsman but unlike Amla, de Villiers and Dhoni, he won't feature in my all-time ODI XI. Has quite a few weaknesses and a poor attitude to boot.

I just read a few of freelance's posts and I have to say, this amazing, double-choke which left egg on his face will take a long time to clean up. :)))
 
Syed1 said:
Na ishq mein, na pyar mein, jo maza hai India ki haar mein..

Na khanay mein, na sonay mein, jo maza hai Kohli ke ronay mein.. :))
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Thats the spirit ... and this is what makes rivalry ... Ofcourse when the customary Phainta (from Ind to Pak) comes ... tau uski maza hi alag hai. :)
 
Stage is set for the greatest ODI run chaser in history to show what he's made of when it counts, in a series decider.
 
Me watching ABDV....


1. Wow, he's advancing five steps down the pitch

Later....

2. Wow, he's taking two steps behind his stumps

Later...

3. Wow, he's hitting one legged sixes

Later...

4. Wow, he's hitting backward fours between his legs...

Later...

5. Holy crap, he's batting upside down

Later...

6. Wow, he's walking on water.
 
Jo_Don said:
Stage is set for the greatest ODI run chaser in history to show what he's made of when it counts, in a series decider.
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350 chase would have been ideal, I don't think 400+ chase is on. Even a Kohli hundred may not save India here. Rohit, Kohli and Dhoni all have to make big knocks now.
 
Lol some posters talking about quality of attack. As if the rest of the batsmen can chase like Kohli even against such attacks. We saw even warner fail the other day.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lol some posters talking about quality of attack. As if the rest of the batsmen can chase like Kohli even against such attacks. We saw even warner fail the other day.
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Warner's was an incredible knock where he almost singlehandedly did it.

I agree with your point but not with your example.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Warner's was an incredible knock where he almost singlehandedly did it.

I agree with your point but not with your example.
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I was actually referring to one particular poster who was trying to downplay Kohli's chasing in an ODI in New Zealand because he could not get India over the line. Going that metric plenty of batsmen are failures at chasing.
 
Undoubtedly yes. Bevan would be my choice in hopeless situations though, and for good reason.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I was actually referring to one particular poster who was trying to downplay Kohli's chasing in an ODI in New Zealand because he could not get India over the line. Going that metric plenty of batsmen are failures at chasing.
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Oh...you get plenty of those on PP. :))
 
He is the greatest ODI batsman, period! If you don't believe me now, you will in a few years. Absolutely unreal batsman in ODIs.

His numbers are staggering. He plays and takes the games to the end and wins them for India! Envy of the world in LOI cricket.
 
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Virat is already an all time top 10 batsman in ODIs. He dominates and wins India a WC and he will be clearly top 3, and most likely #1.
 
Bilal7 said:
He's still on track to be a great ODI batsman but unlike Amla, de Villiers and Dhoni, he won't feature in my all-time ODI XI. Has quite a few weaknesses and a poor attitude to boot.

I just read a few of freelance's posts and I have to say, this amazing, double-choke which left egg on his face will take a long time to clean up. :)))
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In your opinion, he still has a bad attitude?
 
Greatest, not yet? Will need to pull off a similar chase in a WC knock out game

Definitely in the top 3 though
 
Nevermind the best chaser...probably the greatest LOI batsman ever.
 
in_cutter said:
Nevermind the best chaser...probably the greatest LOI batsman ever.
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Considering ODIs and T20s, he is already by far the best batsman. There have been better ODI batsmen than him but they don't come close to him in T20s.
 
Only 6 batsmen have 10 or more tons in second inning. Only one batsman has more tons in 2nd inning than Kohli & Kohli has long career ahead of him. He will go down as the one of the best batsman in ODI format. For top 2-3, he needs to bring it on in WC games.
 
Buffet said:
Only 6 batsmen have 10 or more tons in second inning. Only one batsman has more tons in 2nd inning than Kohli & Kohli has long career ahead of him.
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Amla is still better than Kohli for one poster.

Apparently he's never going to catch up with him as well.
 
Sachin136 said:
Considering ODIs and T20s, he is already by far the best batsman. There have been better ODI batsmen than him but they don't come close to him in T20s.
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Which ODI batsman? They might have more runs but I have never seen anyone make such an impact.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Not without winning a WC and contributing heavily in the campaign
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Sin Nombre said:
He is top 10 in ODIs and #1 in T20s. Needs that ODI WC to cement his legacy.
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Technically, he already has a WC!! :vaughan:

Also, its not winning a WC. Winning a WC requires the whole team to be really good. The current team is not of that calibre. Also look at T20, India didnt win either of the 2 WT20s, but Kohli is considered one of the best there.

So he does not need to win a WC, but needs to contribute heavily and case like this in a knock out game.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Virat Kohli in ODI wins for India when batting 2nd:<br>Innings 59<br>Not outs 20<br>Runs 3514<br>Average 90.10<br>Strike Rate 97.25<br>14 100s<br>15 50s<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/790223292330377217">October 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Virat Kohli in ODIs in 2016:<br>91, 59, 117, 106, 8, 85*, 9, 154*<br>Total runs 629<br>Average 104.83<br>Strike Rate 102.77<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/790224784370040832">October 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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