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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Mohammad Rizwan - Pakistan's white-ball captaincy watch thread

Rana said:
Here is my honest take on this match, not that this is his overall captaincy.

Rizwan basically did nothing amazing as a captain. He batted poorly at number 4, not setting a tone or showing that he wants to score at a decent rate. Inviting pressure on the other batters who kept falling in an attempt to push the scoreboard. His batters had no game plan. Everyone just went out there to do what’s best for themselves. No one looked like they are batting according to a team plan.

His captaincy when bowling was pretty average too. He was nowhere to be seen when Australia were just smashing Pakistan bowlers easily for 6+ an over. He was suddenly given a chance to win this game out of some excellent fielding by Irfan, and a good double wicket over by Harris to follow up. This was his good fortune in the game that Australia lost 3 wickets for 0 runs.

Now that he was given a chance to show his captaincy mettle with 60 odd runs still to get with 4 wickets remaining, he clearly panicked and started doing too many things every ball. The plan to bowl at batters 7-11 was poor. Once again just hoping for luck more than actual cricketing sense.


Of course that little moment of fortune (3 wickets for 0 will gloss over his mediocrity as a leader, as it always has done in the past with him as a player. And his fans will continue to live in a fool’s paradise. However, those who understand and know this game will have seen enough to tell you that this guy is nothing amazing.

Also, the guy called Skulls pointed out that Rizwan’s record is something like 30 wins in 70 games (not sure what he was referring to), but he clearly said that ‘he doesn’t come from a winning background’. I could see why, Rizwan’s plan is to hope for the best whilst constantly reciting Durood behind the stumps. There is no actual cricketing plan.
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Please remember ,it was his first match as odi captain,so doing postmortem of his captaincy the way you did here was a bit excessive.

Pakistan lost by a mere 2 wickets margin defending a low total. Any neutral like me will say ,Rizwan did well in Australia against Australia.
 
Just want to say that if Pakistan lost the game by 8 wickets, everyone would have put 100% of the blame on Rizwan. However, since the game was actually close and we only lost by 2 wickets, some people on here will make excuses and say he didn't do anything and that his captaincy had nothing to do with the game. The guy literally can't win or do anything right in the eyes of people who hate him. Even before the match people were blaming him for the squad selection when he has no say. If it was anyone else captaining their first match for Pakistan and getting so close to beating Australia in Australia, the same people who hate Rizwan would be ecstatic right now.
 
Rizwan jumped above his weight no doubt about it, the guy is an honest trier and was lot better than glum faced Babar and clueless SSA.

All in all seems finally PCB cracked a code regarding a fighting captain
 
Credit where it’s due

Rizwan seemed to recognize that he and his friends wouldn’t play out the full 50 overs, so he made the tactical decision to go with just four bowlers. By doing so, he allocated more resources to strengthen the batting, possibly aiming to make the most of a shorter innings.

Hats off to rizwan the captain 👏
 
Mainul said:
Please remember ,it was his first match as odi captain,so doing postmortem of his captaincy the way you did here was a bit excessive.

Pakistan lost by a mere 2 wickets margin defending a low total. Any neutral like me will say ,Rizwan did well in Australia against Australia.
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What do you want me to say? Lie about how I saw it? Im saying it how it is. This is exactly what happened.

Pakistan should have been out for 150

Australia should never have lost 8 wickets. They should have lost 3-4 max.

Australia had a poor game to make Pakistan/Rizwan look better. This is the truth.
 
First impressions pf Rizwan as a captain were positive. His field placings were good and he attacked most of the time. Good Stuff from him.
 
Rana said:
What do you want me to say? Lie about how I saw it? Im saying it how it is. This is exactly what happened.

Pakistan should have been out for 150

Australia should never have lost 8 wickets. They should have lost 3-4 max.

Australia had a poor game to make Pakistan/Rizwan look better. This is the truth.
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Biased opinion,you don't like Rizwan
 
The only difference we may see going forward with Rizwan (and this may just be the optimist in me), he should have some motivation to try and win. I don’t think he has as much political backing as Babar. Babar didn’t need to think about winning to keep his captaincy. Someone would have ensured it behind the scenes.

It’s not so straightforward now. Will we see a change in approach. I do doubt it, but there may be an improvement.
 
Rana said:
What’s that supposed to mean? I can’t comment on Rizwan’s captaincy now? I can’t call a spade a spade?
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It means you can't talk about rizwan because he transcends the human boundaries of criticism.

Don't you understand that 44 of 71 is a testament to how rizwan can hang in such difficult and dangerous conditons. Infact this 44 of 71 is equivalent of Labu's 58 of 101 that won Australia a world cup.

Similarly being blank for 90% of the game only to spring to life and make changes like a madman is a tactic, Australia clearly didn't see that coming. It's a tactic that no captain has ever considered to adopt in the history of the game. Rizwan is the 1st. Respect.
 
mominsaigol said:
It means you can't talk about rizwan because he transcends the human boundaries of criticism.

Don't you understand that 44 of 71 is a testament to how rizwan can hang in such difficult and dangerous conditons. Infact this 44 of 71 is equivalent of Labu's 58 of 101 that won Australia a world cup.

Similarly being blank for 90% of the game only to spring to life and make changes like a madman is a tactic, Australia clearly didn't see that coming. It's a tactic that no captain has ever considered to adopt in the history of the game. Rizwan is the 1st. Respect.
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I see, my bias against Rizwan didn’t allow me to see his genius. Only people who truly love Rizwan can see it, and they can point it out.

I should abstain and repent.
 
Mainul said:
Please remember ,it was his first match as odi captain,so doing postmortem of his captaincy the way you did here was a bit excessive.

Pakistan lost by a mere 2 wickets margin defending a low total. Any neutral like me will say ,Rizwan did well in Australia against Australia.
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Rizwan did well in Australia against Australia.

What does that mean though? He didnt perform with the bat and the entire batting team has no idea how to approach an innings.

Everyone was doing their own thing? That's not how batting works. Why hasn't the captain formulated a plan of action.

And in field settings he was blank throughout the whole game? After rauf's special he switched on?
 
Rana said:
I see, my bias against Rizwan didn’t allow me to see his genius. Only people who truly love Rizwan can see it, and they can point it out.

I should abstain and repent.
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I will never understand why people like rizwan. Genuinely I don't.

I understand why people like babar aka the PR king. And I can even understand why people like Misbah, those uae home test exploits being tied to the spot fixing scandal via PR boosted his status and caused people to excessively lie about it.

Rizzu I don't get. He has zero achievements in captaincy and unlike the other 2 who had the luck of convientant timing, rizzu does not. And as a batter he's even more frustrating to watch then Misbah if I'm being honest.

Infact I think he's even more selfish then Misbah as a batsmen, which is shocking since I didn't think that would be possible.
 
mominsaigol said:
I will never understand why people like rizwan. Genuinely I don't.

I understand why people like babar aka the PR king. And I can even understand why people like Misbah, those uae home test exploits being tied to the spot fixing scandal via PR boosted his status and caused people to excessively lie about it.

Rizzu I don't get. He has zero achievements in captaincy and unlike the other 2 who had the luck of convientant timing, rizzu does not. And as a batter he's even more frustrating to watch then Misbah if I'm being honest.

Infact I think he's even more selfish then Misbah as a batsmen, which is shocking since I didn't think that would be possible.
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They will love him as long as it can bring down Sarfaraz

That’s the truth.
 
Rana said:
They will love him as long as it can bring down Sarfaraz

That’s the truth.
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Sarfaraz didn't even pretend to be a batsmen 🤣🤣.

He always wanted to bat at no 7 and let others develop while he focuses on keeping.

It's other who made him open and then media pressure calling him a coward forced him to eventually bat at no 5 and sometimes at 4 when he clearly said he didn't want to and it's not suitable for the team.

It's why I respect Sarfi. He overachieved considering the fact that he's not a full time batter. He always wanted to ve a Carey like keeper.

It's stupid to compare rizwan to sarfi when rizzu obsessively wants to bat at certain positions and does all this nonsense.

Even so if you compare, sarfi beats rizzu in all metrics excluding stats, but stats in this day and age are as irrelevant as Imam ul Haq.

Test curation + 2 new balls in odi has made stats irrelevant in this day and age.
 
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Rana said:
What’s that supposed to mean? I can’t comment on Rizwan’s captaincy now? I can’t call a spade a spade?
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Off course,after 20 matches as captaincy. Did you do postmortem of captancy after 1 match of Sarfraz,Babar?
 
Mohammad Rizwan has been exceptional as a batsman and really impressed me by his captaincy.

From Michael Clarke ex-Aussie WC winning captain, though not sue if its authentic
 
Mainul said:
Off course,after 20 matches as captaincy. Did you do postmortem of captancy after 1 match of Sarfraz,Babar?
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So if I didn’t do it for them, I can’t do it for Rizwan?
 
Rana said:
So if I didn’t do it for them, I can’t do it for Rizwan?
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How can you judge captaincy potential after one international, and if you base on his domestic captaincy then it has been good over all, which led to many experts proposing his name. This Aussie tour is a challange for any Pakistani captain, especially with hardly any match winner in the team.
 
PakPremi said:
How can you judge captaincy potential after one international, and if you base on his domestic captaincy then it has been good over all, which led to many experts proposing his name. This Aussie tour is a challange for any Pakistani captain, especially with hardly any match winner in the team.
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How can I judge?

I’ve seen him captain enough. I know Pakistan cricketers like my own children.
 
Mainul said:
Off course,after 20 matches as captaincy. Did you do postmortem of captancy after 1 match of Sarfraz,Babar?
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Sarfaraz achieved a whitewash in his first ever series as captain and ensured pakistan get into CT 2017 whereas previously they were ranked no 9 and weren't even scheduled to play CT.

Rizwan on the other hand is on the verge of a whitewash.

Again yes ik it's unfair since sarfi didn't have to deal with Australia he had to deal with WI, but it's no excuse. Since sarfi ended up winning ct straight after.

As an international captain, one must help their country achieve series victory regardless of opposition.

No one looked at who or what sarfi was facing when they decided to badger him for his 2018 performance in odi and test.

Rizzu needs the same treatment.

Besides Shan Masood is receiving a similar treatment as well. Congrats to him on winning against England however he needs to do a lot of hard work to make up for his previous whitewash test tours.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sarfaraz achieved a whitewash in his first ever series as captain and ensured pakistan get into CT 2017 whereas previously they were ranked no 9 and weren't even scheduled to play CT.

Rizwan on the other hand is on the verge of a whitewash.

Again yes ik it's unfair since sarfi didn't have to deal with Australia he had to deal with WI, but it's no excuse. Since sarfi ended up winning ct straight after.

As an international captain, one must help their country achieve series victory regardless of opposition.

No one looked at who or what sarfi was facing when they decided to badger him for his 2018 performance in odi and test.

Rizzu needs the same treatment.

Besides Shan Masood is receiving a similar treatment as well. Congrats to him on winning against England however he needs to do a lot of hard work to make up for his previous whitewash test tours.
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Not fare enough explanation. Facing Australia with this weak team in Australia,Even Dhoni ,Imran will loose the series.

I shall evaluate him after 20 matches. If i evaluate him after first odi ,he did well.
 
Mainul said:
Not fare enough explanation. Facing Australia with this weak team in Australia,Even Dhoni ,Imran will loose the series.

I shall evaluate him after 20 matches. If i evaluate him after first odi ,he did well.
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It is a fair explanation, it's just you don't like it and it doesn't appeal to you lol.

Facing Australia with this weak team

And whos responsible for this weak team? You dont even have any excuses anymore since rizwan hinself admitted that this is the team that he selected and he was fully consulted and he approved the decisons.

It's his decison to drop fakhar and this is not the first time rizwan or Babar have sidelined fakhar.

Rizwan took fakhar's opening spot in t20 and misbah outright told falhsr he ain't good enough and must bat at no 4 and no 5.

Then fakhsr was dropped for Abdullah and Imam as wc openers and the excuse was falhar had poor form, which is hilarious because Imam was in a far worse state then he was and the NZ game was a massive slap on Everyone's face.

I also find it funny that fakhar and Imam will likely be recalled for the sa series.

What's even worse is that rizwan opted for 4 pacers. Had Australia not chased it down so quickly, Rizzu would have had to bowl Agha or saim for 5 to 10 overs against australia. You have any idea how catastrophic that would be?

Take 20 games to judge him for all I care. These are the facts presented to you.
 
Rana said:
So if I didn’t do it for them, I can’t do it for Rizwan?
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Ya .. you can't
If you do thats personal disliking and it will have no appeal to others..
 
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Mainul said:
Ya .. you can't
If you do thats personal disliking and it will have no appeal to others..
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I will do what I want.

I will praise who I want, whenever I want.

I will disgrace who I want, whenever I want.
 
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gazza619 said:
is that your criteria?
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Im simply telling you, there is no point trying to use Ponting as your way of accrediting Rizwan as some world class player. He rated Asif Ali too.

If you want to accept Ponting’s view on Rizwan, then you must accept him for considering AA as a good player too. That will go against your agenda. So don’t even bother in the first place.
 
Rana said:
Im simply telling you, there is no point trying to use Ponting as your way of accrediting Rizwan as some world class player. He rated Asif Ali too.

If you want to accept Ponting’s view on Rizwan, then you must accept him for considering AA as a good player too. That will go against your agenda. So don’t even bother in the first place.
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What did Ponting say about Asif Ali.
 
gazza619 said:
Ponting is a nobody

I rather trust views of @Rana and @mominsaigol
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I've already told you ex cricketers opinions do not matter.

Anil kumble after watching rrizzu's 132 against sri lanka in wc 2023 claimed that rizzu was top 3 batsmen in the world.

Well straight after that innings, Everyone from Travis head, Labu, Glenn Maxwell, Warner, Rohit, Kohli, QDK, Rachin ravindra, Fakhar zaman and many others outperformed him by miles.

You can make ex cricketers your abu's all you want it won't change the fact that

A) rizzu avg 29 with Sr of 80 in champions cup.

B) Rizzu Avg 19 in eng rest series

C) Rizzu is going at a strike rate of 61 against australia in recent times.

You can latch onto his 131 however. If that makes you happy lol.
 
What a terrible first game as captain. Batted like a snail and put all the pressure on the lower order (as he always does)

Terrible field placements and bowling changes. Australia should have won by 8 wickets minimum but I guess flukes happen.

However when you have a team 6 down with more than 50 runs needed and you still lose than that is unacceptable. Don't think anything like that happened once under Safi
 
CerebralPatriot said:
What a terrible first game as captain. Batted like a snail and put all the pressure on the lower order (as he always does)

Terrible field placements and bowling changes. Australia should have won by 8 wickets minimum but I guess flukes happen.

However when you have a team 6 down with more than 50 runs needed and you still lose than that is unacceptable. Don't think anything like that happened once under Safi
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I was gonna bump this thread as I always do prior to a game. But you bumped it for me lol.
 
Do you like his captaincy now????

He is appealing every catch but so far, he has been good with those bowlers.
 
Antique piece he is.

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Michael Vaughan on commentary

"I’ve noticed this with Rizwan. When it’s not out, he appeals with full confidence like it’s certain, but when it’s actually out, he doesn’t. He just ends up confusing the umpire and his teammates!"
 
BouncerGuy said:
Antique piece he is.

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Michael Vaughan on commentary

"I’ve noticed this with Rizwan. When it’s not out, he appeals with full confidence like it’s certain, but when it’s actually out, he doesn’t. He just ends up confusing the umpire and his teammates!"
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It wasn’t Vaughan, it was Waugh
 
Brilliant captaincy from Rizwan. brought back haris for an over and he responded with a wicket.
 
Jason Gillespie speaking during the commentary:

“Mohammad Rizwan is a very strong leader and likes to lead from the front. Coming into this role just for this white-ball series in Australia, I’m just here for the 2 weeks to allow him to get a feel for the team and drive the standards that he wants to drive. I’m here to support him as much as I can.”
 
First series as captain is against Australia, against whom we havent won a series for a very long time.

He almost won the first game with some great bowling plans and today didnt allow Australia to score much runs
 
Major said:
First series as captain is against Australia, against whom we havent won a series for a very long time.

He almost won the first game with some great bowling plans and today didnt allow Australia to score much runs
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Too bad aus isn't playing Marsh and head
 
Rizwan led the team brilliantly, getting Australia out for 163 in just 35 overs. If Babar were captain, he might have played it safer and given Australia a chance to score more runs.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Rizwan led the team brilliantly, getting Australia out for 163 in just 35 overs. If Babar were captain, he might have played it safer and given Australia a chance to score more runs.
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Baba would have saved the pacers till 45th over & put on part time spinners aus would have made 250.
 
I’m gonna be honest here. We’ve got to give credit where it’s due.

1. Great captaincy from rizwan to place the wicketkeeper behind the stumps!

2. fantastic batsmen placement for the lbws. They stood at just the right spot for the umpire to raise the finger

3. Stumps - they were there! Rooted to the ground before the match, and they were placed just where the stumps should be. I’m sure I saw rizwan speaking to the ground staff to ensure that happens 👏🏼 👏🏼

🤡
 
Todays game is how Rizwan’s will break India’s unbeaten odi World Cup record..
 
So far, he has done alright, but it is too early to judge.

But let's be honest, even if Rizwan was to win the champions trophy and world cup as captain, certain posters with obvious agenda will still find a way to criticise Rizwan and undermine him.
 
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