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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?

Mainul said:
You should rather get out of the mindset of "one should not praise any opposition player". Wont you praise Liton, Mehedy, Mushfiqur who smashed Pakistanis just recently?
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Yeah I wouldn’t tell you who your pillars are. You probably won’t know them anyways judging by your comments
 
Rana said:
Yeah I wouldn’t tell you who your pillars are. You probably won’t know them anyways judging by your comments
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Come on . Its an open discussion forum. Anyone can discuss about any team ,any context. Nothing wrong in it. And nobody is going to or need to do research,Phd, fellowship before commenting here . Just take it with open mind . Some praise,some criticism ,some sweet ,some sour -I just love Pakpassion ,i am just passionate about Pakpassion.
 
Saim Ayub bowling an impressive spell today against Markhors as he claimed 3 wickets for his side Panthers in the Qualifier of Champions One-Day Cup 2024. His figures so far 3/24.
 
Saim Ayub is an ultimate failure in international cricket, as he failed, scoring 4(10) against an inexperienced England bowling attack in the 1st Test.
 
I’m glad that he is failing as an opener, otherwise folks who don’t understand cricket would tell us that he is being played out of position.

Saim Ayub has zero excuses for not performing. He has been given a very long rope for zero results. If he doesn’t get a hundred in this series he needs to be dropped for at least a year and he won’t have anyone to blame but himself.

How hard is it to score on a pitch where your 28 averaging captain scored 150+ at a high SR.
 
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Mamoon said:
I’m glad that he is failing as an opener, otherwise the likes of @Rana and other folks who don’t understand cricket would tell us that he is being played out of position.

Saim Ayub has zero excuses for not performing. He has been given a very long rope for zero results. If he doesn’t get a hundred in this series he needs to be dropped for at least a year and he won’t have anyone to blame but himself.

How hard is it to score on a pitch where your 28 averaging captain scored 150+ at a high SR.
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I'm surprised as to why Fakhar has given up Test cricket. It's the same situation as Shadab who doesn't want to play Test cricket? Questions need to be asked there.

If the reason for selecting Saim in Test cricket was the fact that he can play at a high pace rather than Imam, then it would've been better to select Huraira who has a much better FC average than Saim and has a SR to match as well. Saim is a T20 product first and foremost and T20 players from Pakistan have a higher probability of failing in Test cricket.
 
Do they seriously consider him as a all-format potential? He is going to confused about switching between formats and fail in all formats. It is very hard to do well across formats equally well. Very few have done in the history. Kohli at Peak. ABDV, Warner a bit. Lot of guys did not do well atleast in one format.
 
Mamoon said:
I’m glad that he is failing as an opener, otherwise the likes of @Rana and other folks who don’t understand cricket would tell us that he is being played out of position.

Saim Ayub has zero excuses for not performing. He has been given a very long rope for zero results. If he doesn’t get a hundred in this series he needs to be dropped for at least a year and he won’t have anyone to blame but himself.

How hard is it to score on a pitch where your 28 averaging captain scored 150+ at a high SR.
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Do you like Abdullah Shafique?
 
Mamoon said:
I’m glad that he is failing as an opener, otherwise the likes of @Rana and other folks who don’t understand cricket would tell us that he is being played out of position.

Saim Ayub has zero excuses for not performing. He has been given a very long rope for zero results. If he doesn’t get a hundred in this series he needs to be dropped for at least a year and he won’t have anyone to blame but himself.

How hard is it to score on a pitch where your 28 averaging captain scored 150+ at a high SR.
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@Rana Needs to learn cricket from fans of Imam Ul Haq
 
Saim is not even a one format player yet. Here Pakistan is trying to turn him into an all format player. Also runs anyone scored in Pakistan domestic should be taken with a grain of salt. He got into the side because of CPL numbers. Not really a high quality league.
 
This kid has had more than enough chances. He was clearly picked more on potential than actual first class 4 day and A team performances. He needed to have 2-3 years of consistent performances before he got the right to play for Pakistan but media pressure and hype forced selectors to select him and back him.

Imagine what someone like Kamran Ghulam who has toiled in domestic cricket season after season and has been among the top performers for years, what he would have done in the national team if he was backed in the same fashion.
 
Just isn’t cut out for international cricket period. Toiling in the weak domestic cricket will make him regress even further.

Retirement should be on the cards for him he’s finished before his career started just like Shaheens afridi
 
He's the Pak Jaiswal. Failures in Tests don't count as Tests are not taken seriously in Pak anymore.

The swag with which he plays the no look shot is worth 50+ average in Tests.
:inti
 
Talented but very bad temperament. Should grind in 4 day cricket if he really wants to succeed in test. The situation didn't demand to play that short at all
 
Yet again a tame dismissal.

You have to put a greater price on your wicket at this level and teams will know that sooner or later he will play a wild shot.

Needs to get his act together.
 
Saj said:
Yet again a tame dismissal.

You have to put a greater price on your wicket at this level and teams will know that sooner or later he will play a wild shot.

Needs to get his act together.
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Talent without skills will get him only this far.
 
Josh said:
Talent without skills will get him only this far.
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What even is this talent narrative? I'm genuinely curious?

They all have 2 eyes, 2 hands, and 2 feet's and playing with a bat?

Fundamentally you become a great batter by improving footwork, improving wristwork, Improving hand eye coordination and having game awareness like rr maintainance or finding the gaps in the field?

I never understood this talent mantra. It's fundamentally hard work and smart work that's it.

Hard work to keep your fitness up and practise your strokes and reactions, Smart work to understand areas of improvement.

Saim ayub doesn't have smart work and tbh, I don't think he's working hard either
 
mominsaigol said:
What even is this talent narrative? I'm genuinely curious?

They all have 2 eyes, 2 hands, and 2 feet's and playing with a bat?

Fundamentally you become a great batter by improving footwork, improving wristwork, Improving hand eye coordination and having game awareness like rr maintainance or finding the gaps in the field?

I never understood this talent mantra. It's fundamentally hard work and smart work that's it.

Hard work to keep your fitness up and practise your strokes and reactions, Smart work to understand areas of improvement.

Saim ayub doesn't have smart work and tbh, I don't think he's working hard either
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Shan Masood is apparently hard working and has worked on his game.
 
For now I think Saim has no place in the test team. I think he needs to work on basics in domestic before coming back.
 
He could have been out so many times hoicking to the leg side and it’s so obvious England have worked him out bowling short and planting fielders on the leg side boundary. The only people that haven’t understood his game are the management that keep selecting him for tests.
 
mominsaigol said:
What even is this talent narrative? I'm genuinely curious?

They all have 2 eyes, 2 hands, and 2 feet's and playing with a bat?

Fundamentally you become a great batter by improving footwork, improving wristwork, Improving hand eye coordination and having game awareness like rr maintainance or finding the gaps in the field?

I never understood this talent mantra. It's fundamentally hard work and smart work that's it.

Hard work to keep your fitness up and practise your strokes and reactions, Smart work to understand areas of improvement.

Saim ayub doesn't have smart work and tbh, I don't think he's working hard either
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Talent here refers to reflexes, they can be improved but only to a certain limit.

If you were born with great reflexes you will definitely find it easier to, all the prodigy batsman had great reflexes.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Talent here refers to reflexes, they can be improved but only to a certain limit.

If you were born with great reflexes you will definitely find it easier to, all the prodigy batsman had great reflexes.
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Reflexes is something that can be worked on.

It's not all genetic, but yes genetics and environment plays the biggest part.
 
I believe people need to keep some patience with Saim. He was directly introduced in a test match in Australia where many great players have struggled. Yes, he under performed in Bangladesh home series but he should get consistent chance to make his place
 
I think with the sack of Babar its giving others a wakeup call non performance will not be tolerated
 
Mr. No-Look played a fantastic knock today and then finished his day with a very good no-look interview with Urooj Mumtaz.
 
The only thing Saim Ayub has going for him at the moment is his youth, which gives him plenty of time to learn and improve. However, the concerning issue is his struggle to score runs at home on batting-friendly pitches, especially at the top of the order, where it's typically easier to accumulate runs. He came into the team with a reputation for scoring freely, but even the few runs he has managed so far have come at a low strike rate and through streaky, inconsistent innings.

He also seems to have a limited technique, as he struggled to get over the ball efficiently today, ultimately offering a simple catch while attempting a defensive stroke.
 
I like his innings today , he seems to have some intelligence unlike other talented batters with brain fart we had in past , He didn’t throw his wicket away today and just got out due to bad luck and brilliant captaincy from Stokes.
 
Remember Sankagkara at the start of his career was also rash and used to get out after scoring 30s and 40s but he actually developed in to great batter , Saim can too.
 
PCB should make arrangements so that he can play couple of county cricket seasons , will do a ton for him.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Remember Sankagkara at the start of his career was also rash and used to get out after scoring 30s and 40s but he actually developed in to great batter , Saim can too.
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Yes, he has the potential to develop into a good batsman, but so do many others—potential and performance don’t always align. In Sangakkara’s case, they did, thanks to his immense hard work.
His dismissal today wasn’t due to bad luck, but rather a clear technical flaw. He failed to get his head over the ball while attempting a simple defensive stroke, which exposed a gap in his technique.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
PCB should make arrangements so that he can play couple of county cricket seasons , will do a ton for him.
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PCB cant arrange a county stint.. County contracts are offered to players via their agents who present their utility to all the counties.
 
Pakhs said:
PCB cant arrange a county stint.. County contracts are offered to players via their agents who present their utility to all the counties.
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His technical game will be much better if he plays in England under the guidelines of proper coaches.

He is as talented as any batter of his age in todays times including Jaiswal as well , (talking about hand eye coordination and reflex and ability to quickly get in to position to play any shot)
 
He knew that Hurraira will take his spot if he failed today, so gave it all and played a very responsible knock today.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
His technical game will be much better if he plays in England under the guidelines of proper coaches.

He is as talented as any batter of his age in todays times including Jaiswal as well , (talking about hand eye coordination and reflex and ability to quickly get in to position to play any shot)
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Your post is self-contradictory. First, you compare him to Jaiswal, then suggest he will benefit from county cricket. Jaiswal is now a permanent member of the world’s number one Test team and has had an incredibly successful start to his career. He doesn’t necessarily need county cricket for development.

Comparing Jaiswal to Saim Ayub is unfair to Jaiswal. Ayub’s place in a team that has lost seven games in a row at home isn’t even guaranteed, so the comparison doesn’t hold up.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
His technical game will be much better if he plays in England under the guidelines of proper coaches.

He is as talented as any batter of his age in todays times including Jaiswal as well , (talking about hand eye coordination and reflex and ability to quickly get in to position to play any shot)
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More importantly he develops a hunger for runs. He throws his wicket 90% of the time and that isn't a coaching issue, that is an issue of what you value.
 
I like that t that most of his significant scores in tests are not pretty flashy knocks but well compiled grinded knocks Ithink someone like Gary Kirsten around him will do him a world of good
 
Seems to be a guy who will grind out a 50 or 60 and then throw it away, as he did today. Really needs to develop into someone who puts a price on his wicket and gets big 100s. At moment, you just see a guy who gets to a certain part of an inns and you know he will throw his wicket away.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Seems to be a guy who will grind out a 50 or 60 and then throw it away, as he did today. Really needs to develop into someone who puts a price on his wicket and gets big 100s. At moment, you just see a guy who gets to a certain part of an inns and you know he will throw his wicket away.
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Throwing his wicket away with that shot on the strike of tea is unforgivable
 
Cricket Warrior said:
He is not reliable. He performs well in one game but then fails for the rest of the series. We need someone with better consistency specially in Test cricket.
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Kind of agree with this.

I think we should back him now, as I don’t think there’s anyone banging down the door to get in via domestic. Before I wanted Saim dropped to bring Kamran into the team (and promote Masood to open). I don’t know if I’d have dropped Babar tbh.

Babar will surely make it back into the test team at some point. But that might be in the form of replacing Saim, Abdullah or Masood.
 
Abid Z said:
Got out 2 overs before tea
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And once again. On the last ball before lunch. These are rookie mistakes. He has horrible temperament. Needs to play more first class so that he learns to grind out an innings. It’s not that he plays good shots before he gets out either. Has no decent shots like a sweep or anything similar to keep rotating strike. Just is a sitting duck waiting for a decent ball to get him out and until then he will bludgeon the leg side until gets out on the boundary.
 
Zero temperament and concentration levels, simply not good enough for this level
 
He’s not perfect but he has shown a willingness to grit and can improve it’s that fraud Shafid and snake oil salesman Shan that needs a boot first
 
Rana said:
This was probably the best Test he has played

Kid is growing and maturing as a cricketer.

Believe in him.
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He must grow and mature in first class and then come into tests. Probably play a little more 50 over cricket also. He plays tests as if he is playing t20. This is very dangerous mentality because he’s just swiping at the ball and hoping. He will regress like this. Pak have had many players like this over the years. They don’t learn more in tests by playing. They bring the whole team down.
 
Regardless of how he does in this initial phase of his career, I am certain that he will become a big name in batting in the future. Watching him bat you can see how naturally gifted he is. He may have alot of things to figure out about his batting still but his talent is undeniable.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Regardless of how he does in this initial phase of his career, I am certain that he will become a big name in batting in the future. Watching him bat you can see how naturally gifted he is. He may have alot of things to figure out about his batting still but his talent is undeniable.
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We can say almost the same thing about any Pakistani discard. Nasir jamshed, Ahmed shehzad , sharjeel khan etc.

The issue is you can’t pick test players on potential. You pick them on experience of how they craft an innings so first class experience is vital. Just look at Ghulam he looks great.

For now Saim just needs to have fun in LO cricket alongside first class. His presence destabilises the team.

You have Abdullah, Saud, Kamran and Jamal. All relatively new finding their feet until they play 20-30 tests in all conditions. That’s the time to tinker with one or two openers. Remember the bowling is completely new also. There is just too much instability in the team for Saim right now. Imam or even Shan is better opening.
 
Abid Z said:
We can say almost the same thing about any Pakistani discard. Nasir jamshed, Ahmed shehzad , sharjeel khan etc.

The issue is you can’t pick test players on potential. You pick them on experience of how they craft an innings so first class experience is vital. Just look at Ghulam he looks great.

For now Saim just needs to have fun in LO cricket alongside first class. His presence destabilises the team.

You have Abdullah, Saud, Kamran and Jamal. All relatively new finding their feet until they play 20-30 tests in all conditions. That’s the time to tinker with one or two openers. Remember the bowling is completely new also. There is just too much instability in the team for Saim right now. Imam or even Shan is better opening.
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I dunno I never thought this about any of those guys. And I followed their careers from the very start.

I think you can't unearth great players based on numbers alone. There has to be some level of belief and guess work at play. Even Babar came into the test team based off some fairly mediocre FC numbers. I'm sure there are examples of other players too. Saim just based on his technique, the shots he plays, the wristiness...he has something about him. If he continues to grow I think we will see what he is capable of.

When has there ever not been instability in the team? It would be one thing if we were winning but getting whitewashed by Bangladesh is pretty much rock-bottom. Which is why this is the perfect time to rebuild and look to the future. Shan has no future in this team. Imam is mentally weak and a walking wicket against quality pace and bounce. Better to focus on Saim, Hurraira and Abdullah in the opening slot.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I dunno I never thought this about any of those guys. And I followed their careers from the very start.

I think you can't unearth great players based on numbers alone. There has to be some level of belief and guess work at play. Even Babar came into the test team based off some fairly mediocre FC numbers. I'm sure there are examples of other players too. Saim just based on his technique, the shots he plays, the wristiness...he has something about him. If he continues to grow I think we will see what he is capable of.

When has there ever not been instability in the team? It would be one thing if we were winning but getting whitewashed by Bangladesh is pretty much rock-bottom. Which is why this is the perfect time to rebuild and look to the future. Shan has no future in this team. Imam is mentally weak and a walking wicket against quality pace and bounce. Better to focus on Saim, Hurraira and Abdullah in the opening slot.
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Look at Ghulam and Saud playing right now. The team needs another 50 runs and they have shown a bit of grit with good shot selection while others crumble around them. Test cricket is a game of patience and resilience but above all being judicious with an eye on an evolving match situation.

Saim will need a few years in first class to learn the basics. He doesn’t know anything for tests. All this wristiness means nothing because he’s playing on very slow wickets. If he was in Uk he wouldn’t last an over. This is why Abdullah is struggling. He hasn’t learnt his craft but still is gritting it out making an occasional 100. Those players Abdullah, Saud, Ghulam, Jamal are the future. Not yet Saim. In LO he’s ok.
 
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