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[Report] ICC approves the hybrid model for the Champions Trophy 2025 following an agreement between the PCB and BCCI [Post Updated #4739]

rpant_gabba said:
Sure, Lets brush security commitments under the carpet

Man up and organize the tournament w/o India. Instead of negotiating for crumbs, make it clear that CT in Pak or take a hike
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Security commitments were supposedly made with SLC and surely they have taken it up with PCB in following years. Not your place to worry or to be precise Indians

Tournament Organization is job of ICC , you can go tell them to do their Job. not PCB’s job to decide who plays and who does nt
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Predicted Response. That attack was 15 years ago. thats a lot of time passed.

SL Team was not given highest level of security during 2009 tour. It was simple protocol with couple of police vans in Entourage with Team bus that was not even bullet proof. There was no promise because there was no prior incident.

Again Indians are dwelling on decades old incident and they were nt even victims. They just have this incident to malign Pakistan. By logic of Indians , Germans should never be able to host any sports activity after Munich Attacks in 1972.
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Wasim Ghulam said:
Not sure couple of police vans escorting team bus that was not bullet proof can be classified as top tier security .

Whether they were promised or Not , It was clear lapse and lack of foresight on Part of security officials who were in charge

Incident happened decades ago. Pakistan has paid the price for it and moved on. Pretty Sure PCB , GOP are not taking anymore chances
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Sri Lanka was assured presidential style security and then 7 players were injured in a terrorist attack.

Our players cannot be put to risk.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan doesn't get to decide this. Your government made promises and failed.

Indians are not going to be put at risk.
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again dwelling on age old incident.

you are making fools of none with this narrative.

There is no risk. BCCI is free to take it up with ICC. and its not PCB’s call if India gets to play or not.

PCB is not asking BCCI to visit anyway so you put them at risk or not , we do not care what you think
 
Mohsin Naqvi thinks entire Pakistani public is fool. 2026 World T20 co-host by india and Srilanka. So what is this nonsense that we will not play in India till 2027 and after that we will go and play.
 
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Former India cricketer Madan Lal believes Pakistan should accept and play in the hybrid model for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025, he said:

"BCCI has cleared its stance. Now, Pakistan has to decide whether it should be played in a hybrid model or not. I feel that they should play because cricket should continue. Pakistan will benefit from it because there are a lot of things involved. Pakistan has to take the decision,"
 
PAKFAN12 said:
Mohsin Naqvi thinks entire Pakistani public is fool. 2026 World T20 co-host by india and Srilanka. So what is this nonsense that we will not play in India till 2027 and after that we will go and play.
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What if we reach the SF and / or Final next year?
 
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Indians lack the courage to openly admit that they don’t want to play against Pakistan in Pakistan, as their underlying agenda has been to isolate Pakistan on all fronts.

But, Why can’t they say it outright?

Because doing so would raise uncomfortable questions from their own people, such as: Why do you play against Pakistan in India or neutral venues? Do the lives of soldiers matter less when playing them outside Pakistan?

To avoid exposing their true intentions, they rely on the excuse of security concerns to shield themselves from criticism at home.

If this claim isn’t true, any patriotic Indian on this forum should be able to provide the names of officials from India who visited Pakistan to assess the security situation and arrangements. I’m not even asking for the report—just the names...
 
A lot of Pakistani posters rightly see most of us Bhartiyas anti-Pakistan and I have no problems with that. Its all true.

However when it comes to this Champion's Trophy, you are getting it all wrong. More than the petty "we dont want Pakistan hosting the event", its about player safety.

Hybrid model demand isn't about taking the tourmament out of Pakistan, its about the perception we have about Pakistan not being safe for our Cricekters.

Most of us are as okay with India sitting out and being replaced by another team, so kindly dont redirect your anger and mean words towards us. I hope PCB and ICC work out a way to make it happen without Indian participation.
 
msb314 said:
What if we reach the SF and / or Final next year?
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PCB had to stick to one thing that we will not play in India until India plays in Pakistan. What is this nonsense about we will not Play in India 2027 only.This is where I don't trust PCB . I feel like they are fooling all of us . This is the last chance to settle this matter for forever as after this we are not hosting any ICC tournament in the near future
 
sweep_shot said:
Exactly.

One attack doesn't mean everything stops. USA has hundreds of mass shootings. Do sports stop there?

Stupid logic from some of these Indians. They should behave like grown up men instead of doing meow meow like cats.
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Yea, one minor attack with 4 gunmen attacking the team bus with AK-47's and rocket launchers , with the opposition team escaping with the skin of their teeth doesn't mean anything. Thilan Samaraweera even had to surgically remove a bullet from his leg/thigh. All this despite promising Presenditial level security.

Shame on the BCCI for refusing to let their team visit Pakistan because other teams have successfully visited Pakistan lately.
 
Hitman said:
Not the families of the 4 security personals who lost their lives in that attack.
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they told you this?

Why do Indians behave like SL attack is only attack in world that needs to be talked again.

None of Indians died there. so there is clue for you
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
they told you this?

Why do Indians behave like SL attack is only attack in world that needs to be talked again.

None of Indians died there. so there is clue for you
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Because the attack happened after the Sri Lankan team was promised Presenditial level security. It speaks volumes about the worth of the word of Pakistan.

None of the Indians died in the attack? Well, none of the Pakistanis have had to suffer the supposed persecution of Muslims in India. Why do you guys talk about it?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
they told you this?

Why do Indians behave like SL attack is only attack in world that needs to be talked again.

None of Indians died there. so there is clue for you
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This is what happened after Presenditial level security was promised.
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Police left us like sitting ducks, says referee​


Chris Broad, the ex-England batsman turned match referee who escaped injury in Tuesday's attack on the Sri Lankan cricketers, castigated Pakistan yesterday for not providing the promised "presidential-style security" and accused the security services of fleeing the scene and leaving the visitors as "sitting ducks".

As Pakistani police began investigating whether the gunmen were planning to take the whole squad hostage, Broad arrived at Manchester airport with scathing remarks about the way Pakistani police had handled the attack.

"After the incident there was not a sign of a policeman anywhere," said Broad. "They had clearly gone, left the scene and left us to be sitting ducks. I am extremely angry that we were promised high-level security and in our hour of need that security vanished and we were left open to anything that the terrorists wanted.

"Questions need to be asked of Pakistan security. At every junction there are police with handguns controlling traffic, so how did the terrorists come to the roundabout and these guys do nothing about it?"

Sri Lanka's team captain, Mahela Jayawardene, appeared to side with Broad, saying that the gunmen fought a one-sided battle. "They were not under pressure ... nobody was firing at them," he said.

But Pakistani officials were aghast at the suggestion. Ijaz Butt, the Pakistan cricket board chief, said: "How can Chris Broad say this when six policemen were killed?"

The assailants were carrying enough arms, ammunition, food and medical supplies to hold out for a prolonged period, perhaps several days. Pakistani police believe they could have been planning to board the bus and then put on the suicide vests that some were carrying, which would have enabled them to hold the entire team captive.

It may just have been the quick wits of the driver, who managed to speed the bus away, that averted a dramatic hostage situation. "From the inventory we have recovered, it seems they did not just mean to ambush the cavalcade," said Mushtaq Sukhera, the head of the investigations department of the Lahore police force, in an interview with the Guardian. "It all suggests that they had planned something else, otherwise why were they carrying all these things?"

Sukhera would not speculate on the hostage plan, but other police officers, speaking on condition of anonymity, said taking the bus seemed the most likely.

A huge quantity of firearms, grenades and other equipment was recovered from rucksacks dumped by the attackers, and from an abandoned car. There were also rocket-propelled grenade launchers, meaning that the terrorists were at least as heavily armed as the men who attacked Mumbai for three days in November.

The assailants carried significant quantities of food, bandages and antiseptic liquid. Each of the gunmen wore a bulky rucksack. Sukhera said each rucksack contained half a kilo of almonds, half a kilo of dried fruit, biscuits and water bottles, enough to keep them going for days.

Police yesterday made sweeping arrests, detaining some 50 people, though reports suggested none were the gunmen involved and they had only vague connections to the incident.

Sketches of four of the attackers were issued by the police. CCTV footage emerged showing how calmly the gunmen left the scene. The images showed the terrorists strolling through a nearby market after the attack, machine guns still in hand. The authorities for the first time admitted security lapses yesterday. The top official in the Lahore administration, Khusro Pervaiz, said the "security gaps are very vivid, very clear". He said the outer cordon of the Sri Lankan team's police escort was missing or did not respond. He also said the vehicles being used by the escort were inappropriate.​
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Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/05/lahore-terror-attacks-chris-broad
 
Hikaru said:
A lot of Pakistani posters rightly see most of us Bhartiyas anti-Pakistan and I have no problems with that. Its all true.

However when it comes to this Champion's Trophy, you are getting it all wrong. More than the petty "we dont want Pakistan hosting the event", its about player safety.

Hybrid model demand isn't about taking the tourmament out of Pakistan, its about the perception we have about Pakistan not being safe for our Cricekters.

Most of us are as okay with India sitting out and being replaced by another team, so kindly dont redirect your anger and mean words towards us. I hope PCB and ICC work out a way to make it happen without Indian participation.
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Indian senior mens team has travelled Pakistan in 2004 and 2006.

Women cricket team travelled to Pakistan for Asia cup in 2005

Hockey Mens team travelled to play bilateral series in 2004

Again Hocket mens team travelled to play champions trophy in 2012

India has participated in most of the Kabadi tournaments across the border.

During all these visits, there were no threats given to Indian teams, no indian player was targeted, heckled or injured.

If you bring me the incidents which has happened before 2004, then ideally you should have been avoiding all those tours happened post 2004.

if you take the reference of the unfortunate incident which happened in 2009, and think it is risky, but all other teams have already been travelling for last 10 years including big teams like Aus, Eng and SA and have found no security issues.

Just accept BCCI doesn't want CT to happen in Pakistan. Their main aim is to dent Pakistan financially.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Indian senior mens team has travelled Pakistan in 2004 and 2006.

Women cricket team travelled to Pakistan for Asia cup in 2005

Hockey Mens team travelled to play bilateral series in 2004

Again Hocket mens team travelled to play champions trophy in 2012

India has participated in most of the Kabadi tournaments across the border.

During all these visits, there were no threats given to Indian teams, no indian player was targeted, heckled or injured.

If you bring me the incidents which has happened before 2004, then ideally you should have been avoiding all those tours happened post 2004.

if you take the reference of the unfortunate incident which happened in 2009, and think it is risky, but all other teams have already been travelling for last 10 years including big teams like Aus, Eng and SA and have found no security issues.

Just accept BCCI doesn't want CT to happen in Pakistan. Their main aim is to dent Pakistan financially.
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Perfectly summed up

This is the real reason

Security issues are just drama
 
Hitman said:
Because the attack happened after the Sri Lankan team was promised Presenditial level security. It speaks volumes about the worth of the word of Pakistan.

None of the Indians died in the attack? Well, none of the Pakistanis have had to suffer the supposed persecution of Muslims in India. Why do you guys talk about it?
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word of Pakistan?

whats the worth of words coming out Indian mouths? Cunning BCCI signed MOU to play bilateral series against Pakistan in exchange for support of Big 3. Your words have no worth and meaning either

We talk about Muslim Prosecution In India , Yes.. but we still visited India for CWC 2023. Our team was harassed by Huge crowd in Ahmedabad chanting anti Pakistan slogans. yet we continued to play the tournament

Why Indians keep going back to 15 years old incident to prove something that does not exist now which is security concerns for Cricket teams
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
word of Pakistan?

whats the worth of words coming out Indian mouths? Cunning BCCI signed MOU to play bilateral series against Pakistan in exchange for support of Big 3. Your words have no worth and meaning either
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If BCCI gave it's word and signed a legal agreement, PCB would have won the case instead of losing it and having to pay compensation to the BCCI instead., LOL.
Wasim Ghulam said:
We talk about Muslim Prosecution In India , Yes.. but we still visited India for CWC 2023. Our team was harassed by Huge crowd in Ahmedabad chanting anti Pakistan slogans. yet we continued to play the tournament
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Nowhere they were attacked by gunmen with AK-47 and rocket launchers after being promised Presenditial level security.
Wasim Ghulam said:
Why Indians keep going back to 15 years old incident to prove something that does not exist now which is security concerns for Cricket teams
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Because thew risk of life matters more than sports.
 
Hitman said:
If BCCI gave it's word and signed a legal agreement, PCB would have won the case instead of losing it, LOL
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MOU was signed . there is no IF.. chickened out through excuse of Government refusal. MOUs are not legally Binding. Point is Indians are no saint either with their words or promise.
Hitman said:
Nowhere they were attacked by gunmen with AK-47 and rocket launchers after being promised Presenditial level security.
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Keep going back to incident which you and your Team was not part of or victim of. it will prove nothing

Hitman said:
Because thew risk of life matters more than sports.
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life is uncertain. anything can happen anywhere. useless argument. Security is important and All Teams are being provided reasonable Security to ensure safety
 
Star Sports is behaving like cheap Indian sports journalists. They can't go lower than this or they may
 
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zaidihusain said:
Star Sports is behaving like cheap Indian sports journalists. They can't go lower than this or they may
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They have paid hundreds of millions for these rights why would they show their team losing?

Most TV channels would do the same. They are just catering for their domestic audience to try and get them hyped to watch the tournament.
 
shah9425 said:
Meanwhile broadcaster showing neither clips from last CT 2017 humiliation instead added last t20 promos and also no host county
What a low move by them
https://twitter.com/x/status/1865946974895382685
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LOL you cannot blame the broadcaster's. These poor guys has paid so much money, so they have to advertise the event. Ind v Pak game is their biggest pay check and hence all those Mauka Mauka ads etc.

Look anyone that says Ind v Pak game is not important is lying. There is a reason in last Asia cup, the only game that had reserve day was for this game (not even for finals). There is a reason we didn't had opening ceremony prior to first game in WC 2024 but had it in Ahmedabad before the start of Ind Pak match. So this game is a massive money making scheme for ICC/Broadcasters/Sponsors. Not so much for BCCI mind you as they have IPL but for other parties involved a lot is at stake from this game.

That is why PCB should have stuck to their no to hybrid model policy and tested the waters this time.
 
mango_bite77 said:
They can even prove CT'17 never happened.

Well that's not the irony, but bakhts will blindly agree to it is.
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Haha...good one brother. Always knew you had a touch of comedy in you.

But in reality that game did happen. However it was fluke win though for reasons discussed in depths here.
 
Rajdeep said:
LOL you cannot blame the broadcaster's. These poor guys has paid so much money, so they have to advertise the event. Ind v Pak game is their biggest pay check and hence all those Mauka Mauka ads etc.

Look anyone that says Ind v Pak game is not important is lying. There is a reason in last Asia cup, the only game that had reserve day was for this game (not even for finals). There is a reason we didn't had opening ceremony prior to first game in WC 2024 but had it in Ahmedabad before the start of Ind Pak match. So this game is a massive money making scheme for ICC/Broadcasters/Sponsors. Not so much for BCCI mind you as they have IPL but for other parties involved a lot is at stake from this game.

That is why PCB should have stuck to their no to hybrid model policy and tested the waters this time.
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You are quite right.

But it is also a big paycheck for the PCB via ICC revenues. That's why they can't walk away completely from this fixture

PCB is in a delicate situation. They can only do far. They can't make it completely us or them situation as Star sports have already shown that 90% of tournament funds is from Indian market.

If the world of cricket is given a binary choice between India and Pakistan they will chose India. We can take things far, but not so far as to alienate ourselves from world cricket completely.

That's why so far I have been glad and impressed with PCB strategy. They have negotiated based on logic and fairness rather than emotion.
 
PAKFAN12 said:
PCB had to stick to one thing that we will not play in India until India plays in Pakistan. What is this nonsense about we will not Play in India 2027 only.This is where I don't trust PCB . I feel like they are fooling all of us . This is the last chance to settle this matter for forever as after this we are not hosting any ICC tournament in the near future
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Disney Star, the Indian broadcaster, holds media rights until 2027. They are the ones pushing for an India vs Pakistan match, or they will back out.
Hence the agreement is till 2027

PCB stance will remain the same after 2027 if India are not visiting Pakistan now, pakistan won't visit India after 2027 but all depends on how it will pan depending who the broadcaster will be after 2027
 
Hitman said:
Yea, one minor attack with 4 gunmen attacking the team bus with AK-47's and rocket launchers , with the opposition team escaping with the skin of their teeth doesn't mean anything. Thilan Samaraweera even had to surgically remove a bullet from his leg/thigh. All this despite promising Presenditial level security.

Shame on the BCCI for refusing to let their team visit Pakistan because other teams have successfully visited Pakistan lately.
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Funny how the Sri Lankans who were attacked by the afghan terrorists sponsored by India have no problem visiting Pakistan but the country who sponsored the attacks are shaking it.

I hope there is extra security and i hope India don't sponsor another attack to dent Pakistan cricket further
 
emranabbas said:
Disney Star, the Indian broadcaster, holds media rights until 2027. They are the ones pushing for an India vs Pakistan match, or they will back out.
Hence the agreement is till 2027

PCB stance will remain the same after 2027 if India are not visiting Pakistan now, pakistan won't visit India after 2027 but all depends on how it will pan depending who the broadcaster will be after 2027
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Broadcaster is only pushing for an India v Pakistan match. It probably suits them that it could be shifted to UAE. They can party and chill there for a bit.

it is the BCCi and BJP government who are keen for Pakistan to visit India.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Broadcaster is only pushing for an India v Pakistan match. It probably suits them that it could be shifted to UAE. They can party and chill there for a bit.

it is the BCCi and BJP government who are keen for Pakistan to visit India.
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Exactly

This "we dont want to play champions trophy" is all drama And fake bravado. BCCI knew they would get their foot in via the indian broadcasters.

It was a big attempt to move champions trophy outside pakistan but it failed big time.

Thanks to naqvi who stood his ground, someone like sethi or ramiz raja incharge we would be playing the whole tournament in UAE
 
FearlessRoar said:
Promo out from Indian media

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Can this promo be an indication that CT 2025 might get played in T20 format?

Remember broadcasters were very keen to have this in T20s before Rohit & Kohli retirement from the format.
 
Rajdeep said:
One semi final was always meant to be in SL.

Final will be in India irrespective of Pakistan qualifies or not
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hence the deadlock continues

PCB will not visit India anytime soon now.

Its not Just the Final , for Group Game India will have to let go of super sunday in Ahmedabad and play Pakistan in Colombo.

Many Indian posters think Groups will be changed which i highly doubt given the nature of clash and amount of Money it Generates. Broadcasters will not agree to group change, if it was easy , Group would have been changed already in CT 2025
 
Hikaru said:
However when it comes to this Champion's Trophy, you are getting it all wrong. More than the petty "we dont want Pakistan hosting the event", its about player safety.
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Its not about Player Safety. Rather its about revenge or giving it back as admitted by Many Indians on this forum. If it was actually about Player security , and real threats to Indian Team in Pakistan , Im pretty sure BCCI would nt be negotiating with ICC or PCB about Hybrid till 2027
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
hence the deadlock continues

PCB will not visit India anytime soon now.

Its not Just the Final , for Group Game India will have to let go of super sunday in Ahmedabad and play Pakistan in Colombo.

Many Indian posters think Groups will be changed which i highly doubt given the nature of clash and amount of Money it Generates. Broadcasters will not agree to group change, if it was easy , Group would have been changed already in CT 2025
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As I said yesterday, India will not play any of its matches in SL and neither the final will be played in Colombo by ditching a 100k capacity stadium of Ahmedabad in front of whose who of cricket & bureaucrat's. ICC led by Jay Shah will simply not do it for the sake of a mid card team like Pakistan. It is good to be delusional but sometime its good to realize one's worth and ground realities.

Pakistan will play all its matches in co-host SL and for India game they have to travel India. If they are still reluctant, ICC will put these 2 teams in different groups like 2011 WC. That is all.
 
Rajdeep said:
As I said yesterday, India will not play any of its matches in SL and neither the final will be played in Colombo by ditching a 100k capacity stadium of Ahmedabad in front of whose who of cricket & bureaucrat's. ICC led by Jay Shah will simply not do it for the sake of a mid card team like Pakistan. It is good to be delusional but sometime its good to realize one's worth and ground realities.

Pakistan will play all its matches in co-host SL and for India game they have to travel India. If they are still reluctant, ICC will put these 2 teams in different groups like 2011 WC. That is all.
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but why not change groups in CT 2025 if its possible to do that in 2026?

One semi final is scheduled is colombo , Lets say Group changes , Semi final lines up Ind Vs Pak , what will happen then?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
but why not change groups in CT 2025 if its possible to do that in 2026?

One semi final is scheduled is colombo , Lets say Group changes , Semi final lines up Ind Vs Pak , what will happen then?
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I think it will be arranged in a way that if Pak qualifies in semi, they will play in SL.

Imagine Ind (A1), Aus (A2) and SA (B1), Pak (B2). So technically it will be Ind vs Pak semi. However, Pak will still face Aust in SL where as Ind will play SA.

Only in finals where they can't avoid each other, Pak need to travel in India.

As far as CT 2025 is concerned, I agree ICC should put us in different groups.
 
Rajdeep said:
I think it will be arranged in a way that if Pak qualifies in semi, they will play in SL.

Imagine Ind (A1), Aus (A2) and SA (B1), Pak (B2). So technically it will be Ind vs Pak semi. However, Pak will still face Aust in SL where as Ind will play SA.

Only in finals where they can't avoid each other, Pak need to travel in India.

As far as CT 2025 is concerned, I agree ICC should put us in different groups.
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so whats stopping the schedule announcement? if BCCI will not let go of final in case Pak qualifies , Pak will not travel , and no one can force anyone to travel even if written agreement is not in place , PCB can simply point to verbal agreement as reported by media on both sides. ICC cant take punitive action. what options will ICC have then?
 
Rajdeep said:
As I said yesterday, India will not play any of its matches in SL and neither the final will be played in Colombo by ditching a 100k capacity stadium of Ahmedabad in front of whose who of cricket & bureaucrat's. ICC led by Jay Shah will simply not do it for the sake of a mid card team like Pakistan. It is good to be delusional but sometime its good to realize one's worth and ground realities.

Pakistan will play all its matches in co-host SL and for India game they have to travel India. If they are still reluctant, ICC will put these 2 teams in different groups like 2011 WC. That is all.
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Pakistan won't play any of its game in India, the Pakistani government won't allow it. So the likely scenario is that Pakistan will have to sit out of the world cup.

Oh wait the Indian broadcasters won't allow it they want a India vs Pakistan in ICC tournaments.

So it will be another deadlock?
 
emranabbas said:
Pakistan won't play any of its game in India, the Pakistani government won't allow it. So the likely scenario is that Pakistan will have to sit out of the world cup.

Oh wait the Indian broadcasters won't allow it they want a India vs Pakistan in ICC tournaments.

So it will be another deadlock?
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I don't think Pakistan will sit out on any ICC tournament. Had it been the case they would have taken a stand this time which was golden opportunity. They should have stuck to their stance of no hybrid model or else we are pulling out. The fact that they didn't and agreed for hybrid stuff albeit some childish conditions tells me that they will never pull out in any future events.

However, if Pakistan toughens its stance during that time (which is unlikely) and says no means no as far as travelling to India even for finals, then ICC will have no other option but to organize the tournament without them. One thing PCB has to realize is they simply not in a position to arm twist BCCI in any form or shape. India will never let go the final from India for sake of Pakistan cricket team. However, these 2 teams can be in separate groups and Pakistan can play all its matches in co-host SL, excluding the final if they qualify. That is the only extent ICC can go to favour Pakistan.
 
Rajdeep said:
I don't think Pakistan will sit out on any ICC tournament. Had it been the case they would have taken a stand this time which was golden opportunity. They should have stuck to their stance of no hybrid model or else we are pulling out. The fact that they didn't and agreed for hybrid stuff albeit some childish conditions tells me that they will never pull out in any future events.

However, if Pakistan toughens its stance during that time (which is unlikely) and says no means no as far as travelling to India even for finals, then ICC will have no other option but to organize the tournament without them. One thing PCB has to realize is they simply not in a position to arm twist BCCI in any form or shape. India will never let go the final from India for sake of Pakistan cricket team. However, these 2 teams can be in separate groups and Pakistan can play all its matches in co-host SL, excluding the final if they qualify. That is the only extent ICC can go to favour Pakistan.
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why does PCB need to arm twist BCCI into anything? as far i know , Its Job of ICC to make decision when a team refuses to travel.
It’s ICC thats asking PCB to come to table and present solutions which they did. Now its time for ICC to do its job
PCB has done nothing to antagonize BCCI or even demanded anything
 
Rajdeep said:
I don't think Pakistan will sit out on any ICC tournament. Had it been the case they would have taken a stand this time which was golden opportunity
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Why would Pakistan sit out of a tournament they are hosting? That would be like kicking yourself out of your own house, it just doesn't make sense.


Rajdeep said:
. They should have stuck to their stance of no hybrid model or else we are pulling out. The fact that they didn't and agreed for hybrid stuff albeit some childish conditions tells me that they will never pull out in any future events.
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There’s nothing childish about the conditions, the PCB played it smart. They demanded the same status as the BCCI, and when that wasn’t granted, they leveled the playing field by bringing the BCCI down to their status. Regardless of who generates more revenue, the PCB ensured equal treatment.


Rajdeep said:
However, if Pakistan toughens its stance (which is unlikely) and says no means no as far as travelling to India even for finals, then ICC will have no other option but to organize the tournament without them.
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The latest update is that the government is backing the PCB's stance. If India doesn't visit Pakistan, the government won't allow Pakistan to travel to India, even for the finals. We can now play the "government clearance" card as well.

Rajdeep said:
One thing PCB has to realize is they simply not in a position to arm twist BCCI in any form or shape. India will never let go the final from India for sake of Pakistan cricket team.
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The BCCI has already been arm twisted by the PCB, which is why they accepted the hybrid model.

The hardest part is done, only the final details remain. What we says is the elephant has gone through the hole, just the tail left

I don't see Pakistan playing in India anytime soon.



Rajdeep said:
However, these 2 teams can be in separate groups and Pakistan can play all its matches in co-host SL, excluding the final if they qualify. That is the only extent ICC can go to favour Pakistan.
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Your Indian broadcasters won't allow both teams to be placed in separate groups, it's just not feasible. If it were, it would have been implemented in the Champions Trophy.
 
Rajdeep said:
One semi final was always meant to be in SL.

Final will be in India irrespective of Pakistan qualifies or not
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That’s the condition of the hybrid model until 2027…

If Pakistan reach Final of the 2026 WorldT20 - it must be played in Colombo or Dubai..
 
msb314 said:
That’s the condition of the hybrid model until 2027…

If Pakistan reach Final of the 2026 WorldT20 - it must be played in Colombo or Dubai..
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You really believe that will happen? This direct question must be asked from naqvi
 
Hikaru said:
A lot of Pakistani posters rightly see most of us Bhartiyas anti-Pakistan and I have no problems with that. Its all true.

However when it comes to this Champion's Trophy, you are getting it all wrong. More than the petty "we dont want Pakistan hosting the event", its about player safety.

Hybrid model demand isn't about taking the tourmament out of Pakistan, its about the perception we have about Pakistan not being safe for our Cricekters.

Most of us are as okay with India sitting out and being replaced by another team, so kindly dont redirect your anger and mean words towards us. I hope PCB and ICC work out a way to make it happen without Indian participation.
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Perception? Real life doesn’t work that way. Did India send a security team to Pakistan to reach this conclusion? If so, can you share the link to that news or report? You can’t simply declare Pakistan unsafe for our players without proper research, especially when other countries have no issues touring there. This isn’t about security concerns, it’s pure jealousy and revenge on India’s part. :rabada2

And who are these people suggesting India sit out? The same ones who can’t handle a single bad umpiring decision but expect India to skip the Champions Trophy? Let’s be serious. :inti
 
rpant_gabba said:
Sure, Lets brush security commitments under the carpet

Man up and organize the tournament w/o India. Instead of negotiating for crumbs, make it clear that CT in Pak or take a hike
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Did the BCCI man up and request (or order) the ICC to keep India and Pakistan in separate groups? This is where a board should take a stand on its own. When it comes to tournaments, it’s the ICC that needs to grow a backbone, deciding how to handle the tantrums of the BCCI while ensuring justice for the PCB, the very board they entrusted with hosting the tournament. :kp

And honestly, it’s amusing to see posters like you, who claim to want no engagement with Pakistanis, still showing up daily on a Pakistani forum. Hypocrisy much? :misbah :inti
 
In this whole episode, it is clear that the PCB is incapable of organizing a viable/profitable ICC tournament. Let us hope the ICC and the member countries learn from this disaster, and allocate tournaments wisely in the future.
 
ChennaiFan said:
In this whole episode, it is clear that the PCB is incapable of organizing a viable/profitable ICC tournament. Let us hope the ICC and the member countries learn from this disaster, and allocate tournaments wisely in the future.
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ICC is organizer of the tournament, PCB is only host as every members gets the rights on rotation basis

PCB neither sells media rights nor Sponsorship deals. Its job of ICC to worry about Tournament financials and viability. Did nt they host last t20 wc in USA as co host. you think that was not disaster?
 
ChennaiFan said:
In this whole episode, it is clear that the PCB is incapable of organizing a viable/profitable ICC tournament. Let us hope the ICC and the member countries learn from this disaster, and allocate tournaments wisely in the future.
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quite funny that Indian posters are recognizing this whole thing regarding CT 2025 as disaster but refusing to acknowledge that disaster is created by BCCI after refusing to travel anf ICC unable to perform its role as organizer. but Indian posters living in LA LA land are pinning the responsibility on PCB..
 
emranabbas said:
Your Indian broadcasters won't allow both teams to be placed in separate groups, it's just not feasible. If it were, it would have been implemented in the Champions Trophy.
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They will purposefully ignore this reality . you will see none of Indians addressing it on this thread . If it was that simple , CT 2025 would already be going ahead With Pak in separate group.
 
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Hitman said:
If BCCI gave it's word and signed a legal agreement, PCB would have won the case instead of losing it and having to pay compensation to the BCCI instead., LOL.

Nowhere they were attacked by gunmen with AK-47 and rocket launchers after being promised Presenditial level security.

Because thew risk of life matters more than sports.
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BCCI wants to assure safety? Sign on the line for hybrid model for all future tournaments hosted by India. Pakistan understands. India is concerned about security threats but seeing as they refuse to give any info, it is hard to say that there is a clear security threat to the Indian team unless the Indian government were to sponsor an attack on their own team. I think you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds.
Pakistan would have the most to lose if the Indian team were attacked in Pakistan. They'd never host another international match again. They would likely be blackballed from International cricket and PSL would effectively turn into a domestic tournament. And that's the best-case scenario.

Let's make it clear- I don't like Pakistan's government. Mohsin Naqvi is scoring political points using the Champions Trophy to make himself a hero while protestors got murdered in Islamabad. What they are doing to Imran Khan and PTI is horrific and clearly political persecution.

yet while acknowledging that Pakistan's government is horrific, you cannot dispute that India has been backed into a corner by the simple act of Pakistan saying "no". You got used to years of Pakistani leadership rolling over and you cannot comprehend that there is more to this than the dollars made for Indian cricket rights-you think that India is in charge? You've got broadcasters saying we cannot pay for these rights without a Pakistan-India match. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You want the security of a hybrid arrangement? Accept that Pakistan is not going to come to India for matches but that Pakistan is clearly valuable enough to be needed by the ICC even if they contribute less to the contract. 10% of the revenue is still a material loss and your friends at Star Sports are not willing to pay the price for BCCI's malfeasance.
 
zn426 said:
BCCI wants to assure safety? Sign on the line for hybrid model for all future tournaments hosted by India. Pakistan understands. India is concerned about security threats but seeing as they refuse to give any info, it is hard to say that there is a clear security threat to the Indian team unless the Indian government were to sponsor an attack on their own team. I think you can appreciate how ridiculous that sounds.
Pakistan would have the most to lose if the Indian team were attacked in Pakistan. They'd never host another international match again. They would likely be blackballed from International cricket and PSL would effectively turn into a domestic tournament. And that's the best-case scenario.

Let's make it clear- I don't like Pakistan's government. Mohsin Naqvi is scoring political points using the Champions Trophy to make himself a hero while protestors got murdered in Islamabad. What they are doing to Imran Khan and PTI is horrific and clearly political persecution.

yet while acknowledging that Pakistan's government is horrific, you cannot dispute that India has been backed into a corner by the simple act of Pakistan saying "no". You got used to years of Pakistani leadership rolling over and you cannot comprehend that there is more to this than the dollars made for Indian cricket rights-you think that India is in charge? You've got broadcasters saying we cannot pay for these rights without a Pakistan-India match. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You want the security of a hybrid arrangement? Accept that Pakistan is not going to come to India for matches but that Pakistan is clearly valuable enough to be needed by the ICC even if they contribute less to the contract. 10% of the revenue is still a material loss and your friends at Star Sports are not willing to pay the price for BCCI's malfeasance.
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Good points and I agree with you mostly.
But the terrorists, who intend on attacking the cricketers, are not going to consider if their acts are beneficial to Pakistan or not.
 
We are witnessing the realisation (thus reaction of Indian fans) that without Pakistan, the BCCI is bankrupt. They know it deep down, they are just buying time before the penny finally drops and reality settles in on their insecure and fickle minds.

This is not just about 2027, any game featuring Pakistan vs India is mega bucks, and Pakistan is the kingmaker. A lesson learned by the BCCI in the most humiliating fashion.

And a side note, to avenge the humiliation of the CT17 final, India must beat Pakistan in a CT final, somewhere between Dubai and Columbo. 😎🤣🇵🇰🥳
 
ChennaiFan said:
Good points and I agree with you mostly.
But the terrorists, who intend on attacking the cricketers, are not going to consider if their acts are beneficial to Pakistan or not.
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Which terrorists are these?

You have made some very confident posts here about events that haven't happened with nothing to back the posts up apart from your own biased viewpoints.

First you have made some points about ICC tournaments being a mess in Pakistan and wanting the ICC to not give any future tournaments to Pakistan - before the tournament has happened.

Now you claim to know intentions of terrorists seeking to attack the Indian cricket team.

This is a ridiculous level of conjecture you are presenting as fact. Have some self respect.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Which terrorists are these?

You have made some very confident posts here about events that haven't happened with nothing to back the posts up apart from your own biased viewpoints.

First you have made some points about ICC tournaments being a mess in Pakistan and wanting the ICC to not give any future tournaments to Pakistan - before the tournament has happened.

Now you claim to know intentions of terrorists seeking to attack the Indian cricket team.

This is a ridiculous level of conjecture you are presenting as fact. Have some self respect.
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The gunmen who shot foreign cricketers were not terrorists; they were peacekeepers. The bomb explosions that happened near cricket venues were just celebrations! I get it. Let us carry on as if nothing happened.
 
ChennaiFan said:
The gunmen who shot foreign cricketers were not terrorists; they were peacekeepers. The bomb explosions that happened near cricket venues were just celebrations! I get it. Let us carry on as if nothing happened.
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You are making yourself look very silly here with these type of posts and exposing the intense Indian hatred towards Pakistan.

Has your government disbanded their Coast guard, navy, and closed down all hotels in Mumbai after those "celebrations"?

Also please explain how you know the alleged intentions of terrorists in Pakistan during the champions trophy with such clarity.....
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You are making yourself look very silly here with these type of posts and exposing the intense Indian hatred towards Pakistan.
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I am not here to show my love for Pakistan. I am here to express my views.
On the hatred topic, this very thread is example of how much love India gets from the Pakistanis. What you sow is what you get.
 
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