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[Report] ICC approves the hybrid model for the Champions Trophy 2025 following an agreement between the PCB and BCCI [Post Updated #4739]

Rajdeep said:
Good discussion - Champions trophy only exists bcoz of Ind v Pak game
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Jarrod Kimber and David Bumble Lloyd has always been very anti India. So their stance on this issue without understanding the financial aspects and geo politics is not surprising. BCCI is influenced by BJP but Naqvi is very patriotic as per the video. Kimber is the same guy produced the Netflix movie 'Death of a Gentleman' after Big 3 was formed. We Bharatiyas must not take the opinion of these colonial people seriously.
 
Rajdeep said:
Jarrod Kimber and David Bumble Lloyd has always been very anti India. So their stance on this issue without understanding the financial aspects and geo politics is not surprising. BCCI is influenced by BJP but Naqvi is very patriotic as per the video. Kimber is the same guy produced the Netflix movie 'Death of a Gentleman' after Big 3 was formed. We Bharatiyas must not take the opinion of these colonial people seriously.
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They are Anti India so that makes them wrong ?
 
Rajdeep said:
Jarrod Kimber and David Bumble Lloyd has always been very anti India. So their stance on this issue without understanding the financial aspects and geo politics is not surprising. BCCI is influenced by BJP but Naqvi is very patriotic as per the video. Kimber is the same guy produced the Netflix movie 'Death of a Gentleman' after Big 3 was formed. We Bharatiyas must not take the opinion of these colonial people seriously.
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Why would either of them be anti-India? This is just paranoia of a delusional level.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Why would either of them be anti-India? This is just paranoia of a delusional level.
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@Rajdeep thinks PCB demand about written assurance is childish since Sri Lanka is already co host. but he conveniently forgets that Pak wants written assurance of Final too along with assured group game in Colombo. He is having hard time understanding that there is no way Pak will be travelling to India for Final or group match. For them its a important match that cant take place out of India. They are ok with Pak travelling to Ind in fact they are insisting that Pak travels to India but at same time they wont. and @Rajdeep here ironically finds PCB childish
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
@Rajdeep thinks PCB demand about written assurance is childish since Sri Lanka is already co host. but he conveniently forgets that Pak wants written assurance of Final too along with assured group game in Colombo. He is having hard time understanding that there is no way Pak will be travelling to India for Final or group match. For them its a important match that cant take place out of India. They are ok with Pak travelling to Ind in fact they are insisting that Pak travels to India but at same time they wont. and @Rajdeep here ironically finds PCB childish
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I can understand Rajdeep having issues with PCB.. But I was more surprised he thinks Bumble or Kimber are anti-India. Why would they be? Why would they care about India or Pakistan politics?
 
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Wasim Ghulam said:
they use the word “ In Principle “ 😂😂
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I think they are trying to protect themselves in case Pakistan decides to take the case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. This, of course, is based on the scenario where they double-cross Pakistan by rejecting the hybrid model in a future ICC tournament in India.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I can understand Rajdeep having issues with PCB, for people like him they are representatives of the enemy nation, not a cricket board. But I was more surprised he thinks Bumble or Kimber are anti-India. Why would they be? Why would they care about India or Pakistan politics?
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Maybe anti India is a wrong term but they are clearly unaware of ground realities or simply act naive. Bumble said in that interview "The CT is in Pakistan, one team don't want to travel. That's fine, the tournament goes ahead without them..init?"

If it was that easy will ICC or PCB sit on it for so long? Broadcasters and Sponsors have clearly said there won't be a CT without India. Even ECB had said the same. So for Bumble to act so casual as if its a piece of cake is amusing. Maybe he can pay the broadcaster for his pocket and hold the tournament in Pakistan without India

#INIT
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I can understand Rajdeep having issues with PCB.. But I was more surprised he thinks Bumble or Kimber are anti-India. Why would they be? Why would they care about India or Pakistan politics?
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LOL it is your board that called bharat a Dushman Mulk before WC 2023.
 
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Wasim Ghulam said:
@Rajdeep thinks PCB demand about written assurance is childish since Sri Lanka is already co host. but he conveniently forgets that Pak wants written assurance of Final too along with assured group game in Colombo. He is having hard time understanding that there is no way Pak will be travelling to India for Final or group match. For them its a important match that cant take place out of India. They are ok with Pak travelling to Ind in fact they are insisting that Pak travels to India but at same time they wont. and @Rajdeep here ironically finds PCB childish
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No one can or will give in writing for a tournament that is scheduled to happen two years later. That is why it is Childish. The day PCB accepted hybrid model on 29th Nov in lieu of these silly demands is the day they lost the battle. Have you ever heard BCCI is saying we will travel to Pakistan if you give us X, Y or Z? No they are sticking to their original stance of not sending the team to Pakistan come what may. BCCI could also have done childish demands like handover Dawood, Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar if they want Indian team to travel. But they are doing none of that and acting maturely unlike PCB who is throwing toys out of the pram by asking for tri series, increase revenue, given in writing etc etc.
 
Rajdeep said:
Jarrod Kimber and David Bumble Lloyd has always been very anti India. So their stance on this issue without understanding the financial aspects and geo politics is not surprising. BCCI is influenced by BJP but Naqvi is very patriotic as per the video. Kimber is the same guy produced the Netflix movie 'Death of a Gentleman' after Big 3 was formed. We Bharatiyas must not take the opinion of these colonial people seriously.
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Jarod Kimber is a good analyst. Usually comes prepared to debates with facts and let’s be real BCCI doesn’t represent Bharat, it’s a money making enterprise. For all the dramebaazi they’re still agreeing to play Pakistan which is a disgrace. No patriotic Bharatiya would want to engage Pakistan in anything at the moment other than politival
Discussion or a full fledged war for everything that we have been through.

As for Bumble, he ended his career long ago once his drinking and drugs problems went out of hand. Today nobody listens to him or cares about his opinion. He comes drunk to debates still and has no logic to most of his loose comments.
 
So according to all of India, Pakistan is unsafe for their cricket team to travel.

Yet when Pakistanis say India is unsafe for pakistan team, they start throwing their dummys out.

Arrogance and hypocrisy at its finest.

Reality is whole world doesn't revolve around India, so stop acting like spoilt brats
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I think they are trying to protect themselves in case Pakistan decides to take the case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. This, of course, is based on the scenario where they double-cross Pakistan by rejecting the hybrid model in a future ICC tournament in India.
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so they plan to double cross? is that what it is about?
 
Rajdeep said:
No one can or will give in writing for a tournament that is scheduled to happen two years later. That is why it is Childish. The day PCB accepted hybrid model on 29th Nov in lieu of these silly demands is the day they lost the battle. Have you ever heard BCCI is saying we will travel to Pakistan if you give us X, Y or Z? No they are sticking to their original stance of not sending the team to Pakistan come what may. BCCI could also have done childish demands like handover Dawood, Hafiz Saeed or Masood Azhar if they want Indian team to travel. But they are doing none of that and acting maturely unlike PCB who is throwing toys out of the pram by asking for tri series, increase revenue, given in writing etc etc.
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PCB accepted hybrid model on 29th Conditionally. and India media reported that BCCI has agreed “ In principle “ to reciprocate Hybrid in 2027 and deadlock is resolved

Tell me what does “ In principle “ even mean? you either say No or sign the agreement.

why ICC has nt been able to announce schedule if PCB has accepted hybrid on 29th? is nt this obvious as daylight it depends on conditions. you may think them as childish but what choice does PCB have got other than to negotiate some in its favour? Does BCCI want to eat the whole cake and then have a go at pie too? i dnt think throwing toys out of pram is something you can associate with PCB in this whole mess
 
Bhaijaan said:
For all the dramebaazi they’re still agreeing to play Pakistan which is a disgrace. No patriotic Bharatiya would want to engage Pakistan in anything at the moment other than politival
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Today Indian Media is threatening PCB that if Pak Boycotts to Play in India , It will Face legal action 😂 Jingoistic Bharti awam and media thinks if we play in Dubai and force Pak to come to India is some sort of win for them on battleground 😂 But rest of the world sees it as funny obsession
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Today Indian Media is threatening PCB that if Pak Boycotts to Play in India , It will Face legal action 😂 Jingoistic Bharti awam and media thinks if we play in Dubai and force Pak to come to India is some sort of win for them on battleground 😂 But rest of the world sees it as funny obsession
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It’s a disgrace. Businessmen have taken over.

I am a peace loving Bharatiya but i know there cannot be peace between our nations until we stop all this cricket, Bollywood nonsense and resolve our border disputes whether on the negotiation table or in the battlefield. I don’t believe in all these fake relationships when we have soldiers on the borders. Why are they made to toil and die for the nation while cricketers and boards make it a fun thing to earn billions of dollars.
 
Rajdeep said:
Jarrod Kimber and David Bumble Lloyd has always been very anti India. So their stance on this issue without understanding the financial aspects and geo politics is not surprising. BCCI is influenced by BJP but Naqvi is very patriotic as per the video. Kimber is the same guy produced the Netflix movie 'Death of a Gentleman' after Big 3 was formed. We Bharatiyas must not take the opinion of these colonial people seriously.
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another myth gone down the drain

"its BCCI and rest of the countries VS Pakistan"

now the Indians are saying not to take any opinions from colonial people :D

:kp
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
why should Pak do anything ? They already have hosting rights given by Board of ICC.

Why should Pak cover Financial losses because India wont travel? Its ICC that needs to address this. As a tournament Organiser , they should clear the situation. They can take away hosting rights if they want. whats stopping them?
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They can take away the rights but that will be unfair on Pakistan.

Pakistani PM is involved. He should support the PCB and compensate ICC so that CT can be held in Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They can take away the rights but that will be unfair on Pakistan.

Pakistani PM is involved. He should support the PCB and compensate ICC so that CT can be held in Pakistan.
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i expect you write logical comments but this is not one of them 😂

out of All people here , You are talking about whats “unfair” 😂 All your arguments base on financials and revenues and 90% Mantra . Unfair on PCB is first time i heard from you 😂

Again its not PCB’s concern to worry about Financials of Tournaments. ICC sold the broadcasting rights and Sponsorship deals. PCB is here to host the tournament as all Members get hosting rights on rotation basis. Why should PCB go out of the way to solve problems of ICC ?
 
The simplest thing here is to demand full hosting fee for the tournament and they can take the whole CT elsewhere for all I care. And then send our blind team to the tournament. Will see what kind of reception that India-Pakistan match gets from the broadcasters and advertisers. Surely ICC and BCCI cannot dictate PCB’s selection policy?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i expect you write logical comments but this is not one of them 😂

out of All people here , You are talking about whats “unfair” 😂 All your arguments base on financials and revenues and 90% Mantra . Unfair on PCB is first time i heard from you 😂

Again its not PCB’s concern to worry about Financials of Tournaments. ICC sold the broadcasting rights and Sponsorship deals. PCB is here to host the tournament as all Members get hosting rights on rotation basis. Why should PCB go out of the way to solve problems of ICC ?
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In what universe are hosting rights in cricket been on rotational basis. :salute.
 
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And we should keep the same selection policy for all icc tournaments from here on out, until some sense prevails in this good for nothing council.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PCB wants to host the CT in Pakistan. India won't visit Pakistan. So there will be financial losses. Why can't PCB simply make good on these losses and CT can be held without India.
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India is refusing to come, India is causing the damage, India must compensate. It is not Pakistan's responsibility to compensate for India's decision.

We've been over this several times. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension and assigning responsibilities.
 
I blame the Pakistani government as well. They are refusing to state their full fledged official policy. They are hiding behind the PCB, we will stand behind any decision the PCB makes. Why not announce point blank i.e. if India refuses to come to Pakistan then Pakistan will also not go to India under any circumstances hence providing PCB legal cover in the ICC?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
i expect you write logical comments but this is not one of them 😂

out of All people here , You are talking about whats “unfair” 😂 All your arguments base on financials and revenues and 90% Mantra . Unfair on PCB is first time i heard from you 😂

Again its not PCB’s concern to worry about Financials of Tournaments. ICC sold the broadcasting rights and Sponsorship deals. PCB is here to host the tournament as all Members get hosting rights on rotation basis. Why should PCB go out of the way to solve problems of ICC ?
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The financial implications are there, that's why PCB should compensate ICC and host the CT in Pakistan.

BCCI brings 90 per cent of the revenues, so this PCB logic of all are equal doesn't hold anything.

PCB has to bring something extra to the table to be treated on par with BCCI.

Moving CT out of Pakistan without giving PCB a chance to financially compensate ICC is unfair.

And if Pakistan doesn't travel to India, BCCI has to compensate as well.
 
zn426 said:
India is refusing to come, India is causing the damage, India must compensate. It is not Pakistan's responsibility to compensate for India's decision.

We've been over this several times. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension and assigning responsibilities.
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India hasn't signed the MPA. They are not under obligation here. India will just lose their ICC revenue share for this year.
 
Savak said:
I blame the Pakistani government as well. They are refusing to state their full fledged official policy. They are hiding behind the PCB, we will stand behind any decision the PCB makes. Why not announce point blank i.e. if India refuses to come to Pakistan then Pakistan will also not go to India under any circumstances hence providing PCB legal cover in the ICC?
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This isn't about legal cover.

PCB will lose millions of ICC revenue share. No support from Pakistan government will get that, unless the government funds PCB.
 
No one are telling pakistan has to comes for india to Play the world T20 2026.

When tournaments will happen than Pakistan can simply tell to ICC/ BCCI, looks first we need government permission before travelling to india . If pakistan government denied the permission than convey same message to BCCI/ ICC. Ask them for hybrid model or play the World T20 without Pakistan just like india asked ICC / PCB for hybrid model or play champion trophy without india in pakistan.

No one can give you written guarantee what Will be happen in next 2 years.

If pakistan is that important for ICC/ BCCI than why are they worrying about World T20 2026 ?

Fact is PCB and Their delusion fans know very well that if PCB will do any Drama just before world T20 ,BCCI simply can go ahead World T20 2026 without Pakistan.

:kp
Amjid Javed said:
So according to all of India, Pakistan is unsafe for their cricket team to travel.

Yet when Pakistanis say India is unsafe for pakistan team, they start throwing their dummys out.

Arrogance and hypocrisy at its finest.

Reality is whole world doesn't revolve around India, so stop acting like spoilt brats
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Ahmad i said:
The simplest thing here is to demand full hosting fee for the tournament and they can take the whole CT elsewhere for all I care. And then send our blind team to the tournament. Will see what kind of reception that India-Pakistan match gets from the broadcasters and advertisers. Surely ICC and BCCI cannot dictate PCB’s selection policy?
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No a bad Idea actually . Pakistan blind cricket team is better than current Pakistan team (i heard they won the World cup recently) so surely they will not lose against part timer cricketers Aka USA cricket team. :kp
 
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cricketjoshila said:
This isn't about legal cover.

PCB will lose millions of ICC revenue share. No support from Pakistan government will get that, unless the government funds PCB.
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So the ICC will tell the PCB to defy their government?
 
cricketjoshila said:
The financial implications are there, that's why PCB should compensate ICC and host the CT in Pakistan.

BCCI brings 90 per cent of the revenues, so this PCB logic of all are equal doesn't hold anything.

PCB has to bring something extra to the table to be treated on par with BCCI.

Moving CT out of Pakistan without giving PCB a chance to financially compensate ICC is unfair.

And if Pakistan doesn't travel to India, BCCI has to compensate as well.
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Its not question of what should happen lol PCB is not Liable for any losses that can incur due to India not travelling to Pakistan. Its not in control of PCB.

You seem to completely ignore responsibility of ICC as tournament organiser. If they Think Tournament is not viable without Ind vs Pak , they can cancel it , Move it or convince BCCI to travel.

PCB will make its own calls on how ICC moves forward with it
 
The irony in all of this is that, as Kimber said, both this and the Asia Cup only exists so Pakistan and India can play each other. Meanwhile both boards are ensuring they do everything in their power to deny the fans from the other country of this match. I guess Pakistan had no choice but to go for quid pro quo, but the fact remains the same.
 
Devadwal said:
No one are telling pakistan has to comes for india to Play the world T20 2026.

When tournaments will happen than Pakistan can simply tell to ICC/ BCCI, looks first we need government permission before travelling to india . If pakistan government denied the permission than convey same message to BCCI/ ICC. Ask them for hybrid model or play the World T20 without Pakistan just like india asked ICC / PCB for hybrid model or play champion trophy without india in pakistan.

No one can give you written guarantee what Will be happen in next 2 years.

If pakistan is that important for ICC/ BCCI than why are they worrying about World T20 2026 ?

Fact is PCB and Their delusion fans know very well that if PCB will do any Drama just before world T20 ,BCCI simply can go ahead World T20 2026 without Pakistan.

:kp
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if Pakistan is not that important then whats the wait? 24 hours have passed since 29th Nov 😂

PCB also has choice to not play India in CT 2025 😂 Ask your Broadcasters to stop insisting on the match and i can assure you ICC can organize Ind vs Nz and Ind Vs BD in dubai, PCB cant do anything about it. If Pakistan and India reaches final, They can still refuse to travel to dubai for match. We have the right to do this according to BCCI logic which is they cannot assure final of t20 2026 outside India. PCB also have same issues.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The irony in all of this is that, as Kimber said, both this and the Asia Cup only exists so Pakistan and India can play each other. Meanwhile both boards are ensuring they do everything in their power to deny the fans from the other country of this match. I guess Pakistan had no choice but to go for quid pro quo, but the fact remains the same.
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our Indian friends here are still in denial mode about Ind Pak Game’s implication
 
rpant_gabba said:
They don’t have to come, simply live with the fact there will be no participation fee and distribution for the year.

It’s play to get paid. Don’t play, don’t get paid
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we also do not have to play India in Dubai

ask your broadcasters to take a hike then and get on with CT 2025 without this match
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
if Pakistan is not that important then whats the wait? 24 hours have passed since 29th Nov 😂

PCB also has choice to not play India in CT 2025 😂 Ask your Broadcasters to stop insisting on the match and i can assure you ICC can organize Ind vs Nz and Ind Vs BD in dubai , PCB cant do anything about it. If Pakistan and India reaches final , They can still refuse to travel to dubai for match. we have the right to do this according to BCCI logic which is they cannot assure final of t20 2026 outside India. PCB also have same issues In
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PCB doesn't have any choice left now.they are already played their all cards still BCCI not agreed . Ask Naqvi ,he did not even sleep peacefully becouse of champions trophy scheduled is not announced .

12 billion rupees were spent on the stadium renovation just for Champions trophy. Champion trophy ni hogi to kaha se ayega ye Paisa ,tum doge ya Pakistan delusion fan's ? socha h ye kabhi?? 🤣🤣🤣

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
PCB doesn't have any choice left now.they are already played their all cards still BCCI not agreed . Ask Naqvi ,he did not even sleep peacefully becouse of champions trophy scheduled is not announced .

12 billion rupees were spent on the stadium renovation just for Champions trophy. Champion trophy ni hogi to kaha se ayega ye Paisa ,tum doge ya Pakistan delusion fan's ? socha h ye kabhi?? 🤣🤣🤣

:kp
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PCB has reserves. You think construction Companies are waiting for ICC to send money 😂

12 Billion was initial proposal that has been considerably downgraded . It also included Renovation of Pindi Stadium which is on Hold now since we are not gonna need it if matches move to Dubai. CT or Not CT , Stadium renovation was due and it would have happened anyway because PCB wanted to do it for PSL matches too.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
our Indian friends here are still in denial mode about Ind Pak Game’s implication
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Yeah been hearing that for over a month now. Even someone with a couple of working brain-cells can deduce that it is the biggest single match in cricket bar none, that draws eye-balls from all over the world. Certain Indian fans can act cool all they want. At the end of the day, we all know that nothing excites their general populace more than the prospect of beating Pakistan.
 
According to the senior sports journalist Abdul Waheed Khan, Mohsin Naqvi and the PCB are duping the Pakistani public and cricket fans and giving a false impression that the PCB is taking a tough stand against the BCCI. The reality is that the PCB has no cards to play with at all, the ICC is India full stop, what India says and demands, India gets. All the other ICC member states have point blank told the PCB that money talks at the end of the day and push come to shove they will side and vote in favor of BCCI.

In case PCB and the Pakistani government pulls the Pakistani team out of the CT, the ICC, Broadcasters, Member states will hold the PCB liable for any losses and PCB will be held liable because they signed the Member Participation Agreement and the ICC can also refuse to give the PCB the ICC share which they are heavily dependent on for 50-60% of their annual revenues.

The PCB has not got a single demand accepted by the BCCI, the hybrid model stated was originally proposed by the BCCI and the BCCI has no issues in granting a hybrid model for the events hosted in India in the future to the PCB but the knock out games, finals in case Pakistan qualifies will be held in India and the PCB will have no choice but to come to India. Citing refusal of Govt permission for refusing to not come to India will be met with a swift response from the ICC (controlled by India) that the Pakistani government is excessively interfering in the PCB affairs in Pakistan leading to Pakistan's potential suspension from International Cricket.

Ultimately, its going to be the most obvious solution i.e. making the most of a bad situation and choosing the best possible outcome for Pakistan Cricket with the CT hosted in hybrid format with India's games in UAE, in case India qualifies for the Knock out games and Final, they too will have to be held in UAE. This is Pakistan's first ICC tournament being hosted in Pakistan since 1996, it is better for them to use it as a stepping stone to press the case for hosting or co-hosting future ICC and other events in Pakistan and using the funds generated to improve the cricketing infrastructure in the country.
 
Savak said:
So the ICC will tell the PCB to defy their government?
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No. They will play the tournament without Pakistan. Someone will take Pakistan's place. PCB will not get the revenue share for that particular tournament.
 
Savak said:
According to the senior sports journalist Abdul Waheed Khan, Mohsin Naqvi and the PCB are duping the Pakistani public and cricket fans and giving a false impression that the PCB is taking a tough stand against the BCCI. The reality is that the PCB has no cards to play with at all, the ICC is India full stop, what India says and demands, India gets. All the other ICC member states have point blank told the PCB that money talks at the end of the day and push come to shove they will side and vote in favor of BCCI.

In case PCB and the Pakistani government pulls the Pakistani team out of the CT, the ICC, Broadcasters, Member states will hold the PCB liable for any losses and PCB will be held liable because they signed the Member Participation Agreement and the ICC can also refuse to give the PCB the ICC share which they are heavily dependent on for 50-60% of their annual revenues.

The PCB has not got a single demand accepted by the BCCI, the hybrid model stated was originally proposed by the BCCI and the BCCI has no issues in granting a hybrid model for the events hosted in India in the future to the PCB but the knock out games, finals in case Pakistan qualifies will be held in India and the PCB will have no choice but to come to India. Citing refusal of Govt permission for refusing to not come to India will be met with a swift response from the ICC (controlled by India) that the Pakistani government is excessively interfering in the PCB affairs in Pakistan leading to Pakistan's potential suspension from International Cricket.

Ultimately, its going to be the most obvious solution i.e. making the most of a bad situation and choosing the best possible outcome for Pakistan Cricket with the CT hosted in hybrid format with India's games in UAE, in case India qualifies for the Knock out games and Final, they too will have to be held in UAE. This is Pakistan's first ICC tournament being hosted in Pakistan since 1996, it is better for them to use it as a stepping stone to press the case for hosting or co-hosting future ICC and other events in Pakistan and using the funds generated to improve the cricketing infrastructure in the country.
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It's reasonable but one thing final and semi final will be in Pakistan regardless India qualify or not
And Pakistan should play all their games in home if India is not coming fine place them in another group they can play in UAE
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
we also do not have to play India in Dubai

ask your broadcasters to take a hike then and get on with CT 2025 without this match
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yup. Thats the way it should be.

India doesn't play. It doesn't get paid.

Pak doesn't play it doesn't get paid

Lets the chips fall
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Its not question of what should happen lol PCB is not Liable for any losses that can incur due to India not travelling to Pakistan. Its not in control of PCB.

You seem to completely ignore responsibility of ICC as tournament organiser. If they Think Tournament is not viable without Ind vs Pak , they can cancel it , Move it or convince BCCI to travel.

PCB will make its own calls on how ICC moves forward with it
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PCB hasn't said that they want the tournament out of Pakistan. They are ready for hybrid model. They want BCCI to give in writing that BCCI will follow hybrid model for 2026.

It looks like PCB is reason for the hold up.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PCB hasn't said that they want the tournament out of Pakistan. They are ready for hybrid model. They want BCCI to give in writing that BCCI will follow hybrid model for 2026.

It looks like PCB is reason for the hold up.
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Why would PCB say they want tournament out of Pak? does that even make sense?

PCB agreed to Hybrid conditionally and condition includes written assurance for future hybrid, If ICC cant provide written assurance then they can decide what to do.. why would PCB offer itself up for exclusion? Let ICC do their Job
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Why would PCB say they want tournament out of Pak? does that even make sense?

PCB agreed to Hybrid conditionally and condition includes written assurance for future hybrid, If ICC cant provide written assurance then they can decide what to do.. why would PCB offer itself up for exclusion? Let ICC do their Job
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PCB can put conditions but they can't put money on the table to offset the losses.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Why PCB is being asked to accept hybrid? Host agreement does nt say if we force hybrid on you one way then accept it or off set the losses now does it?
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Host agreement doesn't say ICC needs to hold a financially unviable tournament.
 
Savak said:
According to the senior sports journalist Abdul Waheed Khan, Mohsin Naqvi and the PCB are duping the Pakistani public and cricket fans and giving a false impression that the PCB is taking a tough stand against the BCCI. The reality is that the PCB has no cards to play with at all, the ICC is India full stop, what India says and demands, India gets. All the other ICC member states have point blank told the PCB that money talks at the end of the day and push come to shove they will side and vote in favor of BCCI.

In case PCB and the Pakistani government pulls the Pakistani team out of the CT, the ICC, Broadcasters, Member states will hold the PCB liable for any losses and PCB will be held liable because they signed the Member Participation Agreement and the ICC can also refuse to give the PCB the ICC share which they are heavily dependent on for 50-60% of their annual revenues.

The PCB has not got a single demand accepted by the BCCI, the hybrid model stated was originally proposed by the BCCI and the BCCI has no issues in granting a hybrid model for the events hosted in India in the future to the PCB but the knock out games, finals in case Pakistan qualifies will be held in India and the PCB will have no choice but to come to India. Citing refusal of Govt permission for refusing to not come to India will be met with a swift response from the ICC (controlled by India) that the Pakistani government is excessively interfering in the PCB affairs in Pakistan leading to Pakistan's potential suspension from International Cricket.

Ultimately, its going to be the most obvious solution i.e. making the most of a bad situation and choosing the best possible outcome for Pakistan Cricket with the CT hosted in hybrid format with India's games in UAE, in case India qualifies for the Knock out games and Final, they too will have to be held in UAE. This is Pakistan's first ICC tournament being hosted in Pakistan since 1996, it is better for them to use it as a stepping stone to press the case for hosting or co-hosting future ICC and other events in Pakistan and using the funds generated to improve the cricketing infrastructure in the country.
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we have been hearing this now for many days now that no demand is accepted. wonder whats the hold up in schedule announcement?

Pakistan will not pull out to invite legal troubles with ICC. i think PCB is refusing to send Pak to Dubai to play India. No agreement forces PCB to send team to Dubai as hosts
 
cricketjoshila said:
BCCI reserves $2.5bn.

BCCI TV rights deal $7bn plus for 5 years.

PCB reserves......

PCB tv rights deal somewhere in the vicinity of $20mn.
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Good on BCCI then. keep growing those reserves

Let PCB handle how will they manage in aftermath of ICC negative bill

Revenue share with Members should work both ways. If ICC shares profit , it can also bill them losses

now icc can take out Pakistan and ask Broadcasters to get on with it will they?

If not they can cancel the trophy , Take loss of 750 Million $ and Bill the members.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Good on BCCI then. keep growing those reserves

Let PCB handle how will they manage in aftermath of ICC negative bill

Revenue share with Members should work both ways. If ICC shares profit , it can also bill them losses

now icc can take out Pakistan and ask Broadcasters to get on with it will they?

If not they can cancel the trophy , Take loss of 750 Million $ and Bill the members.
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or conduct he tournament without Pakistan and cut Pakistan out completely :inti
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Good on BCCI then. keep growing those reserves

Let PCB handle how will they manage in aftermath of ICC negative bill

Revenue share with Members should work both ways. If ICC shares profit , it can also bill them losses

now icc can take out Pakistan and ask Broadcasters to get on with it will they?

If not they can cancel the trophy , Take loss of 750 Million $ and Bill the members.
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ICC should have held that meeting with the Broadcaster long back rather than acting as a mediator.
 
Savak said:
According to the senior sports journalist Abdul Waheed Khan, Mohsin Naqvi and the PCB are duping the Pakistani public and cricket fans and giving a false impression that the PCB is taking a tough stand against the BCCI. The reality is that the PCB has no cards to play with at all, the ICC is India full stop, what India says and demands, India gets. All the other ICC member states have point blank told the PCB that money talks at the end of the day and push come to shove they will side and vote in favor of BCCI.

In case PCB and the Pakistani government pulls the Pakistani team out of the CT, the ICC, Broadcasters, Member states will hold the PCB liable for any losses and PCB will be held liable because they signed the Member Participation Agreement and the ICC can also refuse to give the PCB the ICC share which they are heavily dependent on for 50-60% of their annual revenues.

The PCB has not got a single demand accepted by the BCCI, the hybrid model stated was originally proposed by the BCCI and the BCCI has no issues in granting a hybrid model for the events hosted in India in the future to the PCB but the knock out games, finals in case Pakistan qualifies will be held in India and the PCB will have no choice but to come to India. Citing refusal of Govt permission for refusing to not come to India will be met with a swift response from the ICC (controlled by India) that the Pakistani government is excessively interfering in the PCB affairs in Pakistan leading to Pakistan's potential suspension from International Cricket.

Ultimately, its going to be the most obvious solution i.e. making the most of a bad situation and choosing the best possible outcome for Pakistan Cricket with the CT hosted in hybrid format with India's games in UAE, in case India qualifies for the Knock out games and Final, they too will have to be held in UAE. This is Pakistan's first ICC tournament being hosted in Pakistan since 1996, it is better for them to use it as a stepping stone to press the case for hosting or co-hosting future ICC and other events in Pakistan and using the funds generated to improve the cricketing infrastructure in the country.
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Why are ICC and BCCI taking weeks to announce it? Story is fishy
 
For any tournaments hosted by india, Broadcasters have bluntly objected/denied any indian matches to play outside of the country .They argued that they paid the amount for Indian territory not for other territories. If the CT tournament is postponed mostly it will be a t20 as icc is already thinking about t20 format for next set of additional tournaments.

The Champions Trophy saga continues to baffle the cricketing world, with no immediate resolution in sight for an imbroglio that has three parties in knots. The International Cricket Council (ICC), the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) have been unable to reach common ground acceptable to all parties, even as time is running out rapidly for a competition that is less than 75 days away.

There was an air of optimism and anticipation that the final schedule for the February 19-March 9 event would be released on Wednesday (December 11). However, it now seems unlikely that the world body has any such announcement planned for the day. Furthermore, there is no indication of a meeting between ICC Board members, who were initially scheduled to convene on December 7. The virtual meeting had to be postponed due to a lack of consensus on how the eight-team competition should be conducted. It has not been reconvened since.

There was a lingering uncertainty surrounding the tournament's format initially. But the problem, one understands, is with the future ICC events rather than the current one. Those in the know confirm that the 15-match event will be conducted in a hybrid model, with 10 games in Pakistan and potentially five in another country - either the UAE or Sri Lanka. The main roadblock for a final resolution on the impasse is BCCI's reluctance to agree to Pakistan's demand for the same format to be applied when India hosts global events, in the next three years.

The BCCI stance also appears to have the backing of broadcasters, whose investments based on are territory-specific India games. To elaborate the point, broadcasters can argue that their financial commitments were based on a specific number of India games, the biggest revenue generators in world cricket, which yield better returns when played in India.

The predicament for the PCB lies in its inability to reconcile with the reality of the situation. Besides, it has taken a 'no-hybrid' stance from which it cannot easily back down if there are no satisfying compensations. An attempt was made at a compromise through Pakistan's demand for a tri-series involving India and another country. But it was rejected by both the BCCI and the ICC.

The ICC is already falling behind its contractual obligations to stakeholders, particularly in meeting its commitment to specific timelines. With the 90-day deadline long past, broadcasters are under pressure to market the tournament effectively. If the stalemate persists, it is not improbable that certain stakeholders may revive calls to convert the Champions Trophy into a T20 format which is easier and faster to market than the ODIs which are fast losing their relevance.

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No sign of a thaw in Champions Trophy stalemate

The ICC, the PCB, and the BCCI have been unable to reach common ground, even as time is running out rapidly for a competition that is less than 75 days away
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Itachi said:
Current situation has occurred because India has not forgotten what Pakistan did.

Lahore yatra.... Then kargil. There was never a greater damage to the trust. Lahore yatra could have been a new dawn. But aftermath has put deep impression which will last generations.
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Honor the principles you have established by ceasing to play against Pakistan anywhere and refraining from inviting their team to Indian soil. Urge the BCCI to recognize that the world’s 5th largest economy can afford to compensate the broadcasters or better yet, Indians would gladly contribute more to cover any financial losses from not hosting an India Pakistan match.
 
HalBass9 said:
Honor the principles you have established by ceasing to play against Pakistan anywhere and refraining from inviting their team to Indian soil. Urge the BCCI to recognize that the world’s 5th largest economy can afford to compensate the broadcasters or better yet, Indians would gladly contribute more to cover any financial losses from not hosting an India Pakistan match.
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Bharat has honored its principles the way it wants. No bilarerals, no visiting Pakistan.

Now imagine Pakistan. Ban trade with India, celebrate a thousand solidarity days against India, accuse India of terrorism, yet beg for a Cricket series every two months. 😂
 
Hikaru said:
Bharat has honored its principles the way it wants. No bilarerals, no visiting Pakistan.

Now imagine Pakistan. Ban trade with India, celebrate a thousand solidarity days against India, accuse India of terrorism, yet beg for a Cricket series every two months. 😂
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Both nations are hypocrites.

There's no other way to see it from the outside looking in.

I 100% agree with your points about Pakistan, but I would look at India through the same lens.

Other Indian athletes come to Pakistan, India plays Pakistan in ICC tournaments (even willingly hosts them), Indian broadcasters fund Pakistani cricket via ICC, Indian businesses invest in multiple leagues with Pakistani cricketers, and Pakistani actors/singers are welcomed with open arms in the Punjabi entertainment industry.

There's no other way to spin it whether you're Indian or Pakistani.
 
kingusama92 said:
Both nations are hypocrites.

There's no other way to see it from the outside looking in.

I 100% agree with your points about Pakistan, but I would look at India through the same lens.

Other Indian athletes come to Pakistan, India plays Pakistan in ICC tournaments (even willingly hosts them), Indian broadcasters fund Pakistani cricket via ICC, Indian businesses invest in multiple leagues with Pakistani cricketers, and Pakistani actors/singers are welcomed with open arms in the Punjabi entertainment industry.

There's no other way to spin it whether you're Indian or Pakistani.
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Very true. I never understood (i) the BCCI's policy of selectively playing Pakistan cricket team, and (ii) sending other sports teams to Pakistan. Successive Indian governments are consistently inconsistent in their dealings with Pakistan.
 
PCB should just end this drama itself by withdrawing to host. This drama created by BCCI is not gonna end. ICC is too weak as we all know. Let's just not be the host and play on hybrid model for anything coming in India
 
HalBass9 said:
Honor the principles you have established by ceasing to play against Pakistan anywhere and refraining from inviting their team to Indian soil. Urge the BCCI to recognize that the world’s 5th largest economy can afford to compensate the broadcasters or better yet, Indians would gladly contribute more to cover any financial losses from not hosting an India Pakistan match.
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India doesn't invite Pakistan. Pakistan comes as part of the package.
 
BouncerGuy said:
PCB should just end this drama itself by withdrawing to host. This drama created by BCCI is not gonna end. ICC is too weak as we all know. Let's just not be the host and play on hybrid model for anything coming in India
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Withdrawing from the tournament might not be the best solution. It's better to let the ICC make a decision, as it will set a precedent for future tournaments involving India and Pakistan
 
BouncerGuy said:
PCB should just end this drama itself by withdrawing to host. This drama created by BCCI is not gonna end. ICC is too weak as we all know. Let's just not be the host and play on hybrid model for anything coming in India
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Pakistan has not only signed a host agreement with the ICC but like all other participating nations in the event, it has also signed a mandatory Members' Participation Agreement (MPA) with the ICC,"

It is only after a member nation signs the MPA for playing in an ICC event that it is eligible to get a share of revenues earned from ICC events.

Pakistan is trapped and can't do anything now :kp
 
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