[Report] ICC informs the PCB that India has refused to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 [Updated Post #418]

[Punjab Kings]

This is not a Gully mohallah tournament.

So my answer" Absolutely Not"

Three solutions -

Either hybrid model (99% likely )

Entire CT in pakistan without india

Entire CT outside pakistan with or without pakistan

How biased you are....
You want to play a tournament without its host nation....... Its highest level of stupidity

 

[zaidihusain]

PCB must maintain it's stance even if entire event gets cancelled. PCB has survived without international cricket at home for more than 10 years and it will continue to survive. They just need to improve quality of cricket. ICC is on deathbed and so are many other small boards. ICC is a failed organisation which should be shutdown permanently

 

[gazza619]

ICC will say "Hey guys, before you get out of the tournament, play a match against each other, we would be happy and will let you live in peace"

Why can’t we just play a 5 ODi series between India and Pakistan and let other teams rest in peace

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Pakistan should stand firm.

Losing income from ICC can be blessing in disguise. PCB will be forced to hire qualified people and PCB will explorer other sources of income.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is a total mess. ICC knew from the outset that India won't tour there. THis should have been communicated to sponsors.

 

[Devadwal]

PCB must maintain it's stance even if entire event gets cancelled. PCB has survived without international cricket at home for more than 10 years and it will continue to survive. They just need to improve quality of cricket. ICC is on deathbed and so are many other small boards. ICC is a failed organisation which should be shutdown permanently

I hear this absurd logic again and again " Pakistan has survived without international cricket" this is just bogus claim.
PCB is surviving because they are getting 34mn from ICC revenues every year. The revenue is generated by BCCI (ABOVE 80%) .

So indirectly PCB is surviving because of BCCI through ICC.(same was said by your ex PCB chairman Ramiz Raja)

Do you even know how much money is PCB earning from PSL?? Check that, I'm waiting from your reply .

 

[emranabbas]

I hear this absurd logic again and again " Pakistan has survived without international cricket" this is just bogus claim.
PCB is surviving because they are getting 34mn from ICC revenues every year. The revenue is generated by BCCI (ABOVE 80%) .

So indirectly PCB is surviving because of BCCI through ICC.(same was said by your ex PCB chairman Ramiz Raja)

Do you even know how much money is PCB earning from PSL?? Check that, I'm waiting from your reply .

It's non of your bussiness what pakistanis think

As far your concerned india are not visiting Pakistan so happy days for you.

so sit back down and relax Why are you hell bent on changing our minds and wanting a hybrid model

 

[Devadwal]

It's non of your bussiness what pakistanis think

As far your concerned india are not visiting Pakistan so happy days for you.

so sit back down and relax Why are you hell bent on changing our minds and wanting a hybrid model

Truth is bitter. Give your counter argument instead crying. I just talking about real facts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is a total mess. ICC knew from the outset that India won't tour there. THis should have been communicated to sponsors.

How would ICC know that? India has been participating in ICC competitions and every other country is now touring Pakistan. So other member countries would have no way of knowing BCCI is going to pull security card out of the hat. They won't be privy to inside knowledge that Indian govt is looking for any angles to damage Pakistan for political purposes.

 

[Savak]

PCB will be well advised to accept the Hybrid model but to negotiate an increase in hosting fee in return. BCCI has sufficient clout to convince all the other boards to side with it. ICC will be powerless and will have to side with them. It is like living in a house where the highest earning sibling gets all the love, respect and is listened to the most but the siblings or siblings who don't earn anywhere near enough are easily brushed aside and not taken seriously.

The PCB with its stubborn stance risks having the entire tournament taken out of Pakistan. This is Pakistan hosting its first ICC event in almost 3 decades. It is better to take baby steps because Pakistan has other future ICC events to host as well.

In any case the Indian government has forbidden BCCI from engaging in any bilateral cricket relations with Pakistan and therefore have no choice but to abide by the decisions made by the government. It would be the same case for the PCB. However the only stumbling block for the PCB would be if the government of Pakistan has officially told the PCB that they are under no circumstances allowed to accept a hybrid model, the PCB cannot go against the decision of their government.

ICC is in a pick because the broadcasters in India have clearly told them that hybrid model or not, the Champions Trophy is not viable without both India and Pakistan.

 

[Devadwal]

PCB will be well advised to accept the Hybrid model but to negotiate an increase in hosting fee in return. BCCI has sufficient clout to convince all the other boards to side with it. ICC will be powerless and will have to side with them. It is like living in a house where the highest earning sibling gets all the love, respect and is listened to the most but the siblings or siblings who don't earn anywhere near enough are easily brushed aside and not taken seriously.

The PCB with its stubborn stance risks having the entire tournament taken out of Pakistan. This is Pakistan hosting its first ICC event in almost 3 decades. It is better to take baby steps because Pakistan has other future ICC events to host as well.

In any case the Indian government has forbidden BCCI from engaging in any bilateral cricket relations with Pakistan and therefore have no choice but to abide by the decisions made by the government. It would be the same case for the PCB. However the only stumbling block for the PCB would be if the government of Pakistan has officially told the PCB that they are under no circumstances allowed to accept a hybrid model, the PCB cannot go against the decision of their government.

ICC is in a pick because the broadcasters in India have clearly told them that hybrid model or not, the Champions Trophy is not viable without both India and Pakistan.

Most sensible takes and PCB will accept hybrid model eventually .

If they negotiate well than they can earn extra fees which everyone will accept

If PCB will do any more drama's here which can irked ICC / BCCI or Broadcasters etc than forget about hosting any ICC events in future . ICC will not allocated any ICC events for pakistan .

 

[rpant_gabba]

ICC is in a pick because the broadcasters in India have clearly told them that hybrid model or not, the Champions Trophy is not viable without both India and Pakistan.

broadcasters are in Mumbai. What is source for what broadcasters have said?

 

[jnaveen1980]

How would ICC know that? India has been participating in ICC competitions and every other country is now touring Pakistan. So other member countries would have no way of knowing BCCI is going to pull security card out of the hat. They won't be privy to inside knowledge that Indian govt is looking for any angles to damage Pakistan for political purposes.

It has been an open secret. THey should have had some clause that states "We are not responsible for last minute pull outs".

 

[Cricket Warrior]

With ICC in a fix, Champions Trophy schedule 'likely to be delayed'

The ambiguity surrounding the International Cricket Council's (ICC) Champions Trophy 2025 is expected to linger on due to the likelihood of a delay in the announcement of the schedule for the mega-event, sources told Geo News on Wednesday.

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), the sources added, was not backing from its stance against a hybrid model for the tournament and therefore it is unlikely that the event's schedule will be announced in the next 24 hours.

The development comes as the highly-anticipated tournament — set to be hosted by Pakistan in February-March next year — has seen the PCB coming at odds with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) over the latter's apparent refusal to visit Pakistan.

With ICC in a fix, Champions Trophy schedule 'likely to be delayed'

PCB stands firm on its decision against accepting hybrid model.Broadcasters refuse to accept schedule without Pak-India match.ICC trying to solve issue before Jay Shah takes charge as chairman.LAHORE: The ambiguity surrounding the...

www.geo.tv

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

It's a tricky question to answer because the PCB doesn't reveal specific numbers unlike other cricket boards. We can make some deductions though. Here's the PCB's revenue statement from FY'23 (not the current year).
View attachment 147887

Essentially revenue was roughly derived from 4 sources - $20m from the ICC, $14m from domestic TV rights & $13m from PSL and the rest from stuff like interest.

ICC revenue this year should increase hugely to $35m, PSL income should mostly stay stable but from all reports, the PCB has been struggling hugely to sell domestic TV rights. I expect ICC revenue share will end up being half of PCB's income this year up from a third last year.

Thats because of weak Performance of Pakistan in Test cricket , PCB struggled to sell TV rights for test matches. I believe that will change quickly after Pak won 2-1. Broadcast for LOI and Tests are different. PCB will not struggle when it comes to selling T20 cricket or ODI cricket.

PSL 10 year contract with franchises is ending in 2025. There will be Franchise Revaluations and new Franchises will Be added. And New Deals will happen as far Broadcasts go. so even if you cut down ICC revenue by 50% , Not sure how will that Kill PCB .. They can always reduce their expenses and what they pay to players can be reduced too

 

[zaidihusain]

I hear this absurd logic again and again " Pakistan has survived without international cricket" this is just bogus claim.
PCB is surviving because they are getting 34mn from ICC revenues every year. The revenue is generated by BCCI (ABOVE 80%) .

So indirectly PCB is surviving because of BCCI through ICC.(same was said by your ex PCB chairman Ramiz Raja)

Do you even know how much money is PCB earning from PSL?? Check that, I'm waiting from your reply .

Why are you desperately pushing your agenda on every post? India is not coming you can celebrate that. ICC is not a charity organisation that it will distribute freebies to PCB without getting any return. BCCI will try to block every single penny that goes to PCB from it's revenue. Whatever revenue is earned by ICC is because of matches played by international teams against each other in an ICC event not by matches played between India A vs India B or India C. Amusingly you are giving example of Ramiz Raja, that clown was criticising BCCI when he was chairman but he was the first Pakistani commentator who visited India during WC without any shame.

You don't need to worry about PCB's earning from PSL, as I said earlier they have survived so far and they will survive. No board can survive without international cricket at home for 10 years except PCB. Please don't wait for my response as it will never satisfy you

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I hear this absurd logic again and again " Pakistan has survived without international cricket" this is just bogus claim.
PCB is surviving because they are getting 34mn from ICC revenues every year. The revenue is generated by BCCI (ABOVE 80%) .

So indirectly PCB is surviving because of BCCI through ICC.(same was said by your ex PCB chairman Ramiz Raja)

Do you even know how much money is PCB earning from PSL?? Check that, I'm waiting from your reply .

All the delusional Indians think that 34 Million is some kind of Handout ( free Money ) from ICC to PCB.. how is that? can you explain ? Because i know PCB gets its due share.. They participate in ICC tournament and play the most lucrative game outside Indian Semi final or Final.

BCCI does not give us any money. PCB earns it

 

[HalBass9]

Indian ineterests before world cricket. Lets find out who world cricket can live w/o India or Pakistan?

This is simply about cricket.

India derives no meaningful benefit from refusing to travel to Pakistan, except for the potential of boosting domestic political popularity.

 

[Devadwal]

You don't need to worry about PCB's earning from PSL, as I said earlier they have survived so far and they will survive. No board can survive without international cricket at home for 10 years except PCB. Please don't wait for my response as it will never satisfy you

Blah blah but You don't have any answer of my question.

PSL is Pakistan product so how much money they ( PCb) are earning from one PSL season ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It has been an open secret. THey should have had some clause that states "We are not responsible for last minute pull outs".

But they don't. Professional bodies don't operate on "shoulda, coulda, woulda".

 

[Giroux28]

The PCB with its stubborn stance risks having the entire tournament taken out of Pakistan. This is Pakistan hosting its first ICC event in almost 3 decades. It is better to take baby steps because Pakistan has other future ICC events to host as well.

And which are these future ICC events? The current cycle already allotted till 2031. And given how the current CT drama has played out by India I doubt Pakistan will be hosting any ICC events in the foreseeable future.

Pakistan needs to stick to its stance. If hybrid model is the only option so be it but they have to make sure this method will also be applied to all future ICC events hosted in India where Pakistan will play all it's matches on neutral venues, including knockouts and finals *If they qualify.

 

[jnaveen1980]

But they don't. Professional bodies don't operate on "shoulda, coulda, woulda".

Then ICC has to face the music. Teams have withdrawn from ICC events before. No team was penalized except loss of points.

 

[BChaudhry02]

As the saying goes, give somebody an inch, they will take a mile.

Pakistan should have never agreed to the Asia Cup Hybrid Model, and because it did, we find ourselves in this situation today. It's high-time to stand up to India, who confusingly think they are more important than they actually are. Everyone here talking about what-ifs -- let's see what happens. Let Aus-Eng-India play series with each other on repeat for even a year, and we'll see how long the appetite lasts (even factoring in Cricinfo's over-hyping everything as a pseudo-arm of the BCCI).

I mean, did we actually expect India to tour? Even with the hybrid model in the Asia Cup, they refused to have "Pakistan" printed on their jerseys as the tournament hosts -- objectively speaking, India's pettiness knows no bounds. Hope the PCB steps up to check the unfiltered rot before cricket is ruined permanently.

Stand up to them, and let the cards fall as they may.

 

[zaidihusain]

Blah blah but You don't have any answer of my question.

PSL is Pakistan product so how much money they ( PCb) are earning from one PSL season ?

To make you happy I can say PCB is earning zero money from PSL, as far as they are not stealing money from your pocket it shouldn't bother you at all.

By the way you should ask same question to CA, ECB & BCB, how are they earning money without presence of single Indian player in their domestic leagues such as Big Bash, Hundred & BPL.

I think you can start working as an Auditor or Chartered Accountant. Then you can verify financial statements of all cricket boards and you can easily prove that all their earnings are coming from BCCI

 

[Giroux28]

I mean, did we actually expect India to tour? Even with the hybrid model in the Asia Cup, they refused to have "Pakistan" printed on their jerseys as the tournament hosts -- objectively speaking, India's pettiness knows no bounds. Hope the PCB steps up to check the unfiltered rot before cricket is ruined permanently.

Would love to see Naqvi pull a similar stunt for the upcoming for the Asia Cup but I think he's got class unlike the illiterate tool Shah.

 

[Local.Dada]

Haha feeling for you and Pakistani fans who are thinking india is playing in Pakistan .

It will he hybrid model nothing else

maybe he was looking forward to travel to Pak for CT, I’ll give him the benefit of doubt

 

[Devadwal]

According to reports if PCB does not agree to accept hybrid model than ICC will call Board members For voting to decide where will be champion trophy held . Party about to start and some fans will get reality check if PCB does not agree to hybrid model .

 

[shariqnoor]

I don't know why there is such an issue. BCCI should just ask Modi to reach out to Trump and let Trump say to Pakistan behind doors that if you do not agree to the hybrid model, then we will release Imran Khan. Within 5 seconds, PCB will accept the hybrid model. Matter resolved within seconds.

 

[jnaveen1980]

According to reports if PCB does not agree to accept hybrid model than ICC will call Board members For voting to decide where will be champion trophy held . Party about to start and some fans will get reality check if PCB does not agree to hybrid model .

Yea.. as much as their fans want their Board to take a "stand" there are some practical difficulties. If it comes down to "Hybrid" or "Change of venue" PCB will go with hybrid model. May be somewhere closer to Pakistan like Mohali.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't want India to play in this CT. IT is a garbage tournament. Hope PCB show some spine and convince ICC to play CT without India.

 

[Devadwal]

Yea.. as much as their fans want their Board to take a "stand" there are some practical difficulties. If it comes down to "Hybrid" or "Change of venue" PCB will go with hybrid model. May be somewhere closer to Pakistan like Mohali.

PCB (most so their fans ) face bigger humiliation if they will agree for hybrid model at the Last moment after so much fake bravado.

Same situation just year is different

 

[Local.Dada]

I don't want India to play in this CT. IT is a garbage tournament. Hope PCB show some spine and convince ICC to play CT without India.

Absolute garbage. I felt the same way when India won in 2013 by smacking all teams and even when India lost a monumental upset vs Pak in 2017 finals. Even SA won the first one in 90s iirc, tells you all you need to know how important this is.

 

[ChennaiFan]

And which are these future ICC events? The current cycle already allotted till 2031. And given how the current CT drama has played out by India I doubt Pakistan will be hosting any ICC events in the foreseeable future.

Pakistan needs to stick to its stance. If hybrid model is the only option so be it but they have to make sure this method will also be applied to all future ICC events hosted in India where Pakistan will play all it's matches on neutral venues, including knockouts and finals *If they qualify.

This sounds good in theory. But, pakistan is too weak to demand, let alone convince other boards to accept to their demands.
After all the fake bravado for domestic consumption, the PCB will play wherever the ICC asks them to play.

 

[jnaveen1980]

PCB (most so their fans ) face bigger humiliation if they will agree for hybrid model at the Last moment after so much fake bravado.

Same situation just year is differentView attachment 147889

Yea.. patriotic pakistan fan may be angry about India's stance. At the end of day PCB will make the call which will be "financially" practical

 

[ChennaiFan]

Yea.. as much as their fans want their Board to take a "stand" there are some practical difficulties. If it comes down to "Hybrid" or "Change of venue" PCB will go with hybrid model. May be somewhere closer to Pakistan like Mohali.

I believe the PCB understands that it cannot stand.

 

[SM1989]

I believe the PCB understands that it cannot stand.

PCB should die on its own sword but not budge from its stance. If it means the PCB goes out of business then so be it. Enough is enough. Take inspiration from Tipu Sultan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

PCB should die on its own sword but not budge from its stance. If it means the PCB goes out of business then so be it. Enough is enough. Take inspiration from Tipu Sultan.

You think PCB will take a stance. I know what you want PCB to do. Based on their history what do you think PCB will do.

 

[Technics 1210]

@Devadwal @Vikram1989 @Technics 1210 @aboveandbeyond

what's the tone on this sound like, I'm struggling to hear

Champions Trophy will be held in Pakistan, no hybrid model: PCB chairman Mohsin Naqvi | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Mohsin Naqvi asserted that the Champions Trophy will be held in Pakistan as scheduled, dismissing any possibilit

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

The tone reeks of fear. Indians are now bricking it.

This is great, the more Indians, Indian media, and the rest of the BCCI cult react, the better it is for Pakistan.

Let the cricketing world now witness the real KING MAKER in cricket, Pakistan.

 

[emranabbas]

Absolute garbage. I felt the same way when India won in 2013 by smacking all teams and even when India lost a monumental upset vs Pak in 2017 finals. Even SA won the first one in 90s iirc, tells you all you need to know how important this is.

Yet it is very important for indians to make a 22 page thread discussing the topic

India don't want to visit pakistan, thats fine don't visit pakistan. Why the Indians taking tension should be the pakistanis.

guess what nobody really cares on this forum
It's only the Indians show desperation.

Why the desperation to move it into a hybrid model? That it self says how important the champions trophy is for the Indians

 

[nuttyprof]

Thats because of weak Performance of Pakistan in Test cricket , PCB struggled to sell TV rights for test matches. I believe that will change quickly after Pak won 2-1. Broadcast for LOI and Tests are different. PCB will not struggle when it comes to selling T20 cricket or ODI cricket.

PSL 10 year contract with franchises is ending in 2025. There will be Franchise Revaluations and new Franchises will Be added. And New Deals will happen as far Broadcasts go. so even if you cut down ICC revenue by 50% , Not sure how will that Kill PCB .. They can always reduce their expenses and what they pay to players can be reduced too

It does not need to kill PCB. Pakistan hockey and squash associations are not dead, but are on life support. IOW jelly state.

 

[nuttyprof]

Yet it is very important for indians to make a 22 page thread discussing the topic

India don't want to visit pakistan, thats fine don't visit pakistan. Why the Indians taking tension should be the pakistanis.

guess what nobody really cares on this forum
It's only the Indians show desperation.

Why the desperation to move it into a hybrid model? That it self says how important the champions trophy is for the Indians

No… Indians enjoy the schadenfreude and like rubbing it on disappointed faces. The cherry on the cake is PCB renovated the stadiums when there was no need to after all.

 

[BouncerGuy]

As per Reports:

The announcement of the ICC 2025 Champions Trophy schedule, set for February-March 2025 in Pakistan, faces delays due to ongoing issues with the hybrid model proposed for hosting some matches in neutral venues. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is opposed to playing against India on neutral grounds, causing a major negotiation hurdle.

Broadcasters and commercial partners insist on including a Pakistan-India match, threatening legal action otherwise. The ICC aims to resolve these issues quickly, especially with Jay Shah, the BCCI Secretary, set to become ICC Chairman on December 1. An official schedule announcement is expected within a few days if compromises are made.

 

[zaidihusain]

As per Reports:

The announcement of the ICC 2025 Champions Trophy schedule, set for February-March 2025 in Pakistan, faces delays due to ongoing issues with the hybrid model proposed for hosting some matches in neutral venues. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is opposed to playing against India on neutral grounds, causing a major negotiation hurdle.

Broadcasters and commercial partners insist on including a Pakistan-India match, threatening legal action otherwise. The ICC aims to resolve these issues quickly, especially with Jay Shah, the BCCI Secretary, set to become ICC Chairman on December 1. An official schedule announcement is expected within a few days if compromises are made.

Why broadcasters and commercial partners are pushing for Pak vs Ind game in CT? They can ask BCCI to send 3 teams from India (India A, B & C) and they can play against each other to earn revenue for ICC and other boards.

 

[emranabbas]

No… Indians enjoy the schadenfreude and like rubbing it on disappointed pp’er faces. The cherry on the cake is PCB renovated the stadiums when there was no need to after all.

Not quite as nothing is confirned yet by ICC. But the Indians constant obsession and commentary show how much Pakistan truly matters. If it was just about "rubbing it in," you’d have moved on by now.

As for the stadium renovations, they reflect PCB’s commitment to the sport, regardless of the circumstances.

 

[zaidihusain]

Not quite as nothing is confirned yet by ICC. But the Indians constant obsession and commentary show how much Pakistan truly matters. If it was just about "rubbing it in," you’d have moved on by now.

As for the stadium renovations, they reflect PCB’s commitment to the sport, regardless of the circumstances.

Neither ICC nor BCCI has given public statement on this topic as they don't have any face. As usual they are playing their dirty game from behind the curtain. In comparison Mohsin Naqvi has bravely faced the media on this topic and took a stance which is enough. When you take stand on such issues you should stick to it even if it comes at the cost of temporary loss.

It's actually great that stadiums got renovated, they will be used in upcoming series and PSL.

 

[SM1989]

You think PCB will take a stance. I know what you want PCB to do. Based on their history what do you think PCB will do.

Probably not. But Mohsin Naqvi should think about how to improve his reputation. And sticking it to BCCI and ICC will do just that.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

As per Reports:

The announcement of the ICC 2025 Champions Trophy schedule, set for February-March 2025 in Pakistan, faces delays due to ongoing issues with the hybrid model proposed for hosting some matches in neutral venues. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is opposed to playing against India on neutral grounds, causing a major negotiation hurdle.

Broadcasters and commercial partners insist on including a Pakistan-India match, threatening legal action otherwise. The ICC aims to resolve these issues quickly, especially with Jay Shah, the BCCI Secretary, set to become ICC Chairman on December 1. An official schedule announcement is expected within a few days if compromises are made.

Interesting.

As per resident Indian posters, India Pak match as irrelevant for the tournament.

Watch them switch their tune and say its because of legal action only and the match is still irrelevant.

Coming in 3,2 and 1....

 

[rpant_gabba]

It is a total mess. ICC knew from the outset that India won't tour there. THis should have been communicated to sponsors.

I think this is a typicasl WKK mess created by the likes of Ganguly who were not able read the GOi policy direction.

BCCI should have made it clear that India touring pakistan for CT is 25% at best at the time of host assignment

 

[nuttyprof]

Not quite as nothing is confirned yet by ICC. But the Indians constant obsession and commentary show how much Pakistan truly matters. If it was just about "rubbing it in," you’d have moved on by now.

As for the stadium renovations, they reflect PCB’s commitment to the sport, regardless of the circumstances.

It was for CT 2025. If it was regardless, they would have upgraded them a while ago. Wasim Akram complained about it and Waqar talked about them.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Interesting.

As per resident Indian posters, India Pak match as irrelevant for the tournament.

Watch them switch their tune and say its because of legal action only and the match is still irrelevant.

Coming in 3,2 and 1....

as per reports? from who? street corner in lahore?

same goes for reports form vikrant gupta

 

[nuttyprof]

I think this is a typicasl WKK mess created by the likes of Ganguly who were not able read the GOi policy direction.

BCCI should have made it clear that India touring pakistan for CT is 25% at best at the time of host assignment

What is WKK ?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

as per reports? from who? street corner in lahore?

same goes for reports form vikrant gupta

Well reports dont come out of thin air.

Unless the only report you believe is the one that comes from Ahmedabad.

 

[nuttyprof]

Neither ICC nor BCCI has given public statement on this topic as they don't have any face. As usual they are playing their dirty game from behind the curtain. In comparison Mohsin Naqvi has bravely faced the media on this topic and took a stance which is enough. When you take stand on such issues you should stick to it even if it comes at the cost of temporary loss.

It's actually great that stadiums got renovated, they will be used in upcoming series and PSL.

Sure because BCCI talks to ICC. They don’t need to face the media. As for Naqvi, taking stance is one thing, I hope he sticks to it.

 

[Usman Chadda]

As far as I understand, this clown show has reached it’s peak now with the broadcaster threatening to sue the ICC for no India-Pakistan match.

Pakistan is well within their rights to withdraw from that game (now and in the future) citing diplomatic relations, since the precedent for that has already been set by the BCCI.

Basically our only bargaining chip is the India-Pakistan game and PCB is using that to it’s maximum.

BCCI should really step in and assure ICC (and in turn the broadcaster) it will draw similar eye-balls against Australia, England or South Africa.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Basit Ali speaking on his YouTube channel:

"What did I tell you about the Champions Trophy, I hope you remember? Try and do the hybrid model, Pakistan and India will not be in the same pool. What happened? Now, I talk to the people who say Ashes is a big series, Border-Gavsakar is a very big series, they should open their eyes. Broadcaster isn't agreeing to (hybrid model or India and Pakistan in different pools) and it won't."

"Pakistan hasn't won against India in any 50-over World Cup. Even then why an India vs Pakistan match is so much important? Even then why is the broadcaster creating so much noise that the hybrid model is not acceptable. Even for ICC, it is not acceptable. If there is no India-Pakistan match in a tournament, then it would be like a tasteless dish.”

"PCB has played its cards very well, well done! If you want to go ahead with the hybrid model, do it. But India and Pakistan won't be in the same pool, and Pakistan will play all their matches at home, If you have the courage, do it. ICC under stress."

"BCCI sends a message to the ICC, and it is relayed to the PCB. Then the PCB sends a message to the ICC, and it is forwarded to the BCCI. Then the broadcaster jumped in and asked 'what's happening, this is not agreeable to us'. That's why ICC is not comfortable."

 

[Usman Chadda]

Another note is that unlike Najam Sethi, Naqvi is rightly refusing to let the Pakistan team run around the globe for the convenience of one team.

BCCI’s stance will not change, and if that stance is acceptable to the ICC then withdrawing from playing against India due to uneasy diplomatic relations aswell as the players’ well-being are two more than acceptable issues too.

 

[offstump]

Interesting.

As per resident Indian posters, India Pak match as irrelevant for the tournament.

Watch them switch their tune and say its because of legal action only and the match is still irrelevant.

Coming in 3,2 and 1....

Hilarious really. I kept reading how Pakistan doesn’t matter, people just want to watch India play doesn’t matter if the competition is Botswana. Now broadcasters are threatening to sue or pull out. So is Pakistan relevant or irrelevant? If anything, Pakistan should keep their foot on the gas and not let up. Let’s see what happens.

 

[emranabbas]

as per reports? from who? street corner in lahore?

same goes for reports form vikrant gupta

And same goes for reports from these indians on this forum

 

[ChennaiFan]

Sure because BCCI talks to ICC. They don’t need to face the media. As for Naqvi, taking stance is one thing, I hope he sticks to it.

I don't believe the PCB is taking any real stance. The fake "stance" they took is to fool their fan base and hence they won't stick to it.

 

[emranabbas]

As far as I understand, this clown show has reached it’s peak now with the broadcaster threatening to sue the ICC for no India-Pakistan match.

Pakistan is well within their rights to withdraw from that game (now and in the future) citing diplomatic relations, since the precedent for that has already been set by the BCCI.

Basically our only bargaining chip is the India-Pakistan game and PCB is using that to it’s maximum.

BCCI should really step in and assure ICC (and in turn the broadcaster) it will draw similar eye-balls against Australia, England or South Africa.

The new "rivalry" inda vs Australia should be making the same amount

 

[offstump]

And same goes for reports from these indians on this forum

Whoa, whoa. Hold your horses. Are you claiming that the Indians on this forum aren’t official government of India or BCCI spokespersons? I am in shock. There’s one guy who does nothing but pour through the PCB’s financial statements and another guy who openly says he hates Pakistan but comes running back on this forum multiple times a day. I’m just in complete shock that I’ve been taken for a ride all this time because I thought I was interacting with Indian officials all this time.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I don't believe the PCB is taking any real stance. The fake "stance" they took is to fool their fan base and hence they won't stick to it.

PCB is not taking a stance, it’s just reiterating BCCI’s commitment to the cricketing world by not having any relations due to uneasy diplomatic relations.

Also the absolute fair issue of taking care of it’s players by not having them run around back and forth during the Hybrid model.

I think these two are extremely fair points raised by the PCB and since BCCI is so strong, they should have no hesitation in informing the ICC how India-Australia or India-England will make the broadcasters equally as happy.

PCB is happy being the small cricket board no one cares about.

 

[ChennaiFan]

PCB is not taking a stance, it’s just reiterating BCCI’s commitment to the cricketing world by not having any relations due to uneasy diplomatic relations.

Also the absolute fair issue of taking care of it’s players by not having them run around back and forth during the Hybrid model.

I think these two are extremely fair points raised by the PCB and since BCCI is so strong, they should have no hesitation in informing the ICC how India-Australia or India-England will make the broadcasters equally as happy.

PCB is happy being the small cricket board no one cares about.

It is only fair for the PCB to host the entire tournament. At the same time, the BCCI has the right to stay away from it. If the broadcasters are forcing the ICC to include India, then it is the ICC's problem to solve it. They should just compensate any loss the broadcasters incur and be done with it.

 

[zaidihusain]

I don't believe the PCB is taking any real stance. The fake "stance" they took is to fool their fan base and hence they won't stick to it.

It's BCCI which is bluffing ICC, all other member countries and fans on this issue. Do you mean PCB should not take stance and just give up timidly? CT was awarded to Pakistan in November 2021, why BCCI didn't told ICC at that time it will not travel to Pakistan? Only 2-3 months months before tournament BCCI is playing dirty game from behind the curtain and exploiting the whole matter. If BCCI wants hybrid model it can state that publicly there is no shame in accepting that. If hybrid model is implemented now, it should be implemented in all future ICC events, Pakistan & India must be in different group and all Pakistan's matches, SF & final must be played in third country.

 

[adi_62941]

Have heard from some sources that PCB will soon accept hybrid model and in return, PCB will also not play in India in any future fixtures.

 

[adi_62941]

Basit Ali speaking on his YouTube channel:

"What did I tell you about the Champions Trophy, I hope you remember? Try and do the hybrid model, Pakistan and India will not be in the same pool. What happened? Now, I talk to the people who say Ashes is a big series, Border-Gavsakar is a very big series, they should open their eyes. Broadcaster isn't agreeing to (hybrid model or India and Pakistan in different pools) and it won't."

"Pakistan hasn't won against India in any 50-over World Cup. Even then why an India vs Pakistan match is so much important? Even then why is the broadcaster creating so much noise that the hybrid model is not acceptable. Even for ICC, it is not acceptable. If there is no India-Pakistan match in a tournament, then it would be like a tasteless dish.”

"PCB has played its cards very well, well done! If you want to go ahead with the hybrid model, do it. But India and Pakistan won't be in the same pool, and Pakistan will play all their matches at home, If you have the courage, do it. ICC under stress."

"BCCI sends a message to the ICC, and it is relayed to the PCB. Then the PCB sends a message to the ICC, and it is forwarded to the BCCI. Then the broadcaster jumped in and asked 'what's happening, this is not agreeable to us'. That's why ICC is not comfortable."

I feel sorry for this guy and his continuous talks. I wonder who listens him.

 

[Devadwal]

I feel sorry for this guy and his continuous talks. I wonder who listens him.

Most of pakistan cricketers and fans are talking like this instead thinking logically which can benifits PCB .

 

[rpant_gabba]

What is WKK ?

Wagah Kandle Kisser

 

[Usman Chadda]

It is only fair for the PCB to host the entire tournament. At the same time, the BCCI has the right to stay away from it. If the broadcasters are forcing the ICC to include India, then it is the ICC's problem to solve it. They should just compensate any loss the broadcasters incur and be done with it.

Exactly, and if the ICC really wants India to be a part of the tournament because of the obvious problem, then a Hybrid model is conpletely fine.

Just don’t expect Pakistan to run around the globe during it’s own tournament. We cannot host it entirely and now the ICC expects our players to play in different countries just for the convenience of one team?

Absolutely not.

 

[rpant_gabba]

It the emotional need to be be good and fair to everyone, even those who have nothing but ill will towards and have made it their long term goal to harm you in every which way possible. all in the name of "principled" stand, even when it harm you in the short run and the long run. the compulsive need to be "better than them"

This left the India without the ability defend itself for almost 2+ decades since independence. even after that, left it with a poor economy, a soft policy towards adversaries.

The unwillingness to take american help in '62, the turning over of POW after simla agreement.

I'm not. I'm secular and for me Modi is a pragmatic choice compared to the alternatives

Gandhi nehru virus in action.

What is need to for consistency? PCB hasn't been consistent. they have done what is convenient for them and pakistan. BCCI and India should do the same.

I'm not a fan.

If that provides enough cover to limit Pak's ability to get anything significant from Indian economy, I'm all for it.

IMO, opinion, India a done well enough that it can pretty much ignore pakistan in all aspects at this point.

@Rajdeep did I answer you question?

 

[rpant_gabba]

This is simply about cricket.

It was, until PCB made it about domestic events in India. doesn't mater when, doesn't matter how long ago. PCB started it and BCCI has not reason not deal with PCB the same way.

India derives no meaningful benefit from refusing to travel to Pakistan, except for the potential of boosting domestic political popularity.

and minimizing pasktan the economic benefit from Indian economy.

 

[Barragan]

Pakistan should stand firm.

Losing income from ICC can be blessing in disguise. PCB will be forced to hire qualified people and PCB will explorer other sources of income.

This actually is a good point.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

It does not need to kill PCB. Pakistan hockey and squash associations are not dead, but are on life support. IOW jelly state.

Cricket is much more popular than other sports in Pakistan. It was thriving from 70s to 00s when there was practically no lucrative money. players had basic salaries. There will always be players available for Pakistan to play for Pakistan at quarter of Salaries of Current Players . Tv Rights and sponsorship deals can change with better economy. Right nown Pakistan’s economy is struggling and effect trickle downs to sports too. But it does not mean it will keep struggling in future. All Pcb needs to do is improve quality of cricket Pakistan team plays and there will always be money available for PcB to tap in outside ICC share

 

[Technics 1210]

Just remember folks, Indians do not care about playing Pakistan, were not rivals, remember? Indians rather play England and Australia

Deep down they know how important Pakistan is to their existence - all you have to do is read the 23 page responses from Indians.

India exists because of Pakistan. Fact.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Can we talk about India's refusal to come for the event instead of irrelevant british India etc etc

 

[Mesozoic]

Hope it's South Africa and not that pathetic soulless UAE.


Besides...South Africa deserves to host an ICC event after a long time and also it will be a nice prep for their 2027 WC hosting. Great wickets, atmosphere and stadiums that befits an ICC tournament.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Man 22 pages of discussion and both side not budging. I have got an idea:

India should play all its league games (except the Pak one) in Mohali.

For Pakistan game, travel to Lahore in the morning from Amritsar, play the game and return in the evening. They can take some private plane or helicopter.

Do the same for semi and final game if we qualify.

@Devadwal this works for you?

No thanks

 

[Red-Indian]

The irony is that the positions of the major parties are more or less right.

The BCCI is right that there's not much it can do if the India Government refuses to give permission for the India men's cricket team to travel to what it considers a hostile nation.
The PCB is right that it should not be compelled to make it's own cricket team travel overseas to play in a tournament it's hosting and that neither the ICC nor any other country has expressed any security reservations on.
The Broadcaster is right that it cannot be asked to pay the same fees for a tournament in which one of the prime attraction matches is missing.

The only real solution in the short term is to do without the India-Pakistan match, accept the loss in revenue and figure out how to distribute the loss subsequently. Pakistan will do doubt ask that the BCCI bear it. BCCI will no doubt ask that it should be divided in proportion to revenue distribution. The negotiations will take a while since all boards will need to be involved.

 

[Technics 1210]

....but but but Pakistan are not rivals ...... and and and BCCI are super rich ..... yet yet yet India are desperate to play Pakistan for the readies.

The mentality of Indians/BCCI is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The irony is that the positions of the major parties are more or less right.

The BCCI is right that there's not much it can do if the India Government refuses to give permission for the India men's cricket team to travel to what it considers a hostile nation.
The PCB is right that it should not be compelled to make it's own cricket team travel overseas to play in a tournament it's hosting and that neither the ICC nor any other country has expressed any security reservations on.
The Broadcaster is right that it cannot be asked to pay the same fees for a tournament in which one of the prime attraction matches is missing.

The only real solution in the short term is to do without the India-Pakistan match, accept the loss in revenue and figure out how to distribute the loss subsequently. Pakistan will do doubt ask that the BCCI bear it. BCCI will no doubt ask that it should be divided in proportion to revenue distribution. The negotiations will take a while since all boards will need to be involved.

I think if BCCI takes responsibility for refusing to travel to Pakistan, the sensible solution should be they foot the bill for lost revenue. That way they get to play politics as per their govt wishes, and it doesn't cost other teams through no fault of their own. India still gets what they wanted in terms of dealing Pakistan a PR blow and devaluing their brand.