[Report] ICC informs the PCB that India has refused to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 [Updated Post #418]

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic and talk about India's refusal to come to play cricket in Pakistan.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Not sure what you mean. I have no real expectation of cordial relations with Pakistan any time soon. I had a little hope this tournament could be used as an icebreaker but obviously it's not happening.

as I said before, the Gandhi nehru virus is very strong.

It has created this disgusting thought process among even the well qualified indians that if you give a little more, there will be peace.

On the other hand, unlike you, I have no desire to see world cricket burn down to assert India's superiority. It's obvious we call the shots and don't want to travel to Pakistan and are uncertain we want to allow Pakistan to travel to India.

So far, the WKK's have created this ambiguity. Time to make PCB go to the mat.

The only solution then is separate groups in all ICC tournaments hosted in either country so we avoid playing each other.

not the solution. is to make ICC make a choice between PCB and BCCI. Make PCB and associate member

It's a pity since I enjoy the edge to India-Pakistan games and the fact that we usually end up beating them but if the hostility is so high, there's no other option.

I can live without it, if it means nvere have to put with PCB ever again.

 

[Red-Indian]

not the solution. is to make ICC make a choice between PCB and BCCI. Make PCB and associate member

If I understand it right, you're essentially saying you want to never have to play Pakistan again. Maybe even force ICC to exclude them from all tournaments. I suppose the BCCI has the clout to do that if it really throws it's toys out of the pram but to what end? You're not going to kill cricket in country of 200+ million people so what are you gaining?

 

[rpant_gabba]

If I understand it right, you're essentially saying you want to never have to play Pakistan again. Maybe even force ICC to exclude them from all tournaments. I suppose the BCCI has the clout to do that if it really throws it's toys out of the pram but to what end? You're not going to kill cricket in country of 200+ million people so what are you gaining?

I merely want to be done with their drama.

I'm pushing for a scenario where PCB's natak will have no influence on BCCI. BCCI will engage with PCB at a time and manner in which it chooses.

Let PCB find out what life is like without BCCI's current idiotic largesse thro ICC. Shut down any revenue from India going to PCB

 

[TheSultan]

When there's betrayal on such a level, there's no chance of any trust building.

If you call it snowflake, then be may it. But Indians know their pain.

Yaar look I get it. I understand people get scared. When my kids get scared of the dark I read them a story. It’s all good, you gotta fight it

 

[U$ofA]

Let me approach from a data perspective.

BCCI and IPL contracts indicate that cricket is lucrative w/o Pakistan

Latest PCB contract indicates Pakistan cricket cannot sustain itself

The claim is ICC tournament are not viable w/o Pakistan. Let it put to test. CT w/o India and next ICC tournament w/o pak. Let the data speak for itself

This would definitely put the whole debate to rest.

 

[U$ofA]

End of discussion.

The real end to the discussion would be what @rpant_gabba suggested in post #1582. That would be a test in the real world.

Even BCCI realise they will miss a massive pay day, why else does BCCI play with Pakistan in ICC tournaments, but no bilateral series? The massive WC/CT payday vs Pakistan.

Not just BCCI, but all other boards and the ICC have a big payday. Only difference is, not getting this payday, will significantly affect a lot of the boards, but will have a miniscule effect on BCCI's bottom line.

 

[Red-Indian]

I merely want to be done with their drama.

I'm pushing for a scenario where PCB's natak will have no influence on BCCI. BCCI will engage with PCB at a time and manner in which it chooses.

Let PCB find out what life is like without BCCI's current idiotic largesse thro ICC. Shut down any revenue from India going to PCB

Your wait is done then. PCB's 'natak' already has zero influence on the BCCI or Indian cricket. The Indian economy is 10 times the size of Pakistan's and the Indian cricket economy is 30 times the size of Pakistan's. Naqvi's press conferences are fleabites at best and the BCCI engages (or not) at will.

I also susspect that unlike a few posters on this forum, the PCB is well aware of what life would be like without India's 'largesse'. They're not getting a lot to be honest - maybe 5% of what the Indian market pays for ICC events but it's essential for their functioning.

 

[rpant_gabba]

There's no doubt about what you're saying and I'm right there with you. Anyone that isn't is being silly.

BCCI's revenue generation + value add is far ahead of the PCB. Miles and miles ahead that you can't even see Pakistan in the rear view mirror.

However, the ECB chairman's point is likely about the CT in a vacuum. They likely have revenue projections for this (let's be honest) second-tier ICC tournament. Those revenue projections likely show the value of an India-Pakistan game is going to be high because the Indian audience is not going to turn up to watch the same way as it would for a WC game. This is simply a reality. The prestige of the CT is not the same as a WC or even a T20I WC.

Those rating numbers India was putting up vs Australia, NZ, or South Africa were due to them being on an undefeated streak + beating Pakistan + the WC prestige. The momentum was ripe for those ratings skyrocketing.

You remove those things and the ICC will know that India-Pakistan game is a must to have a somewhat stable and successful CT. Imagine India doesn't do well in the CT getting eliminated early and there's no India-Pakistan game, this tournament will fall apart and the broadcasters will also use it as leverage to show there's risk in hosting without those games and they will want to negotiate a 20-30% lesser deal in the future.

This is where the issue lies and likely what the ECB chairman meant.

I say, it is perfect opportunity for BCCI to make PCB go to the mat.

AS you yourself said, CT revenue is not supposed to as big as WC.

Back ICC into a corner and make them choose between PCB and BCCI.

Turn PCB i effectvely into an associate member. Better for world cricket in the long run.

might be better for Pak cricket also. They can focus of cricket rather than trying ton play equal to BCCI

 

[rpant_gabba]

Your wait is done then. PCB's 'natak' already has zero influence on the BCCI or Indian cricket. The Indian economy is 10 times the size of Pakistan's and the Indian cricket economy is 30 times the size of Pakistan's. Naqvi's press conferences are fleabites at best and the BCCI engages (or not) at will.

Fleas are an apt comparison to PCB. Why put up with fleas when a solution is available?

I also susspect that unlike a few posters on this forum, the PCB is well aware of what life would be like without India's 'largesse'. They're not getting a lot to be honest - maybe 5% of what the Indian market pays for ICC events but it's essential for their functioning.

why should BCCI care if PCB is functioning?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Mods, let that great historic pic stay up

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic and talk about India's refusal to come to play cricket in Pakistan.

AGAIN

Please stay on topic and talk about India's refusal to come to play cricket in Pakistan.

 

[Red-Indian]

Fleas are an apt comparison to PCB. Why put up with fleas when a solution is available?

Ah perhaps that's where we differ. Not to stretch the analogy too far but your solution to fleabites is to run around with a huge hammer hoping to squash it and not particularly caring if the whole structure (of world cricket) comes down along with it. I don't share your severe aversion to these minor annoyances.

why should BCCI care if PCB is functioning?

I don't think it does but unlike you, I don't think it's particularly invested in making sure it doesn't. Would take too much effort, risk .

I suspect they're happy with status quo of symbolic political gestures in severely restricting Pakistan and Pakistan cricket's finances by refusing to play in Pakistan and refusing access for Pakistani players to the most lucrative cricket league in the world.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Ah perhaps that's where we differ. Not to stretch the analogy too far but your solution to fleabites is to run around with a huge hammer hoping to squash it and not particularly caring if the whole structure (of world cricket) comes down along with it. I don't share your severe aversion to these minor annoyances.

Disagree. It will be nothng more than minor incovenience to deal with fleas. besides, flea bites have very serious health cosnequnces when left untreated. you would know, if you have a Dog or a cat.

I don't think it does but unlike you, I don't think it's particularly invested in making sure it doesn't. Would take too much effort, risk and would **** off most of world cricket along the way.

I suspect they're happy with status quo of symbolic political gestures in severely restricting Pakistan and Pakistan cricket's finances by refusing to play in Pakistan and refusing access for Pakistani players to the most lucrative cricket league in the world.

This is where you are drinking the PCB pak fan kool-aid.

two possiblities right.

1) Pak cricket impact of ICC revenue is say 10%. This is the more likely scenario (see IPL and BCCI broadcast deals). doubt world cricket is going to die having 10% less.

If necessary cut he funding for first world assocaites like irlkeand, netherlands UAE etc.

2) Pak cricket impact is say 30-40%. Cricket might better of with less money as most Pak poster claim.

 

[TheSultan]

So it seems the typical Indian fan response is “we are being unreasonable because we want to kill Pakistan cricket”.

You can dress it up in fancy words and ghey analogies, but essentially that’s it.

It’s one thing to have a discussion, banter and disagreement esp around matches, players, their achievements (the tendi threads are fun). But this is blatant hatred.

 

[kingusama92]

I say, it is perfect opportunity for BCCI to make PCB go to the mat.

AS you yourself said, CT revenue is not supposed to as big as WC.

Back ICC into a corner and make them choose between PCB and BCCI.

Turn PCB i effectvely into an associate member. Better for world cricket in the long run.

might be better for Pak cricket also. They can focus of cricket rather than trying ton play equal to BCCI

100% agree.

I feel your vision is nice but lacks inspiration my friend.

Once the PCB is easily eliminated, we want Jay Shah to walk over and Rock Bottom Naqvi through the conference table. We will then log into PakPassion, let these (very) low-earning Pakistani mods know their time is over, and rename this occupied digital land IndiaPassion.

It's the only way forward now with these fleas.

 

[Shafi]

Best solution is announce the winner and India takes the Cup. No need to play or waste people's time. Indian fans will accept that.

 

[Shafi]

So it seems the typical Indian fan response is “we are being unreasonable because we want to kill Pakistan cricket”.

You can dress it up in fancy words and ghey analogies, but essentially that’s it.

It’s one thing to have a discussion, banter and disagreement esp around matches, players, their achievements (the tendi threads are fun). But this is blatant hatred.

Exactly!!! They talk about terrorism but they themselves spreading terrorism in sub-continent. Even Nepal don't even like them.

 

[TheSultan]

100% agree.

I feel your vision is nice but lacks inspiration my friend.

Once the PCB is easily eliminated, we want Jay Shah to walk over and Rock Bottom Naqvi through the conference table. We will then log into PakPassion, let these (very) low-earning Pakistani mods know their time is over, and rename this occupied digital land IndiaPassion.

It's the only way forward now with these fleas.

Strange how Indians use this flea analogy. Why are there so many fleas in India

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic please

 

[Red-Indian]

two possiblities right.

1) Pak cricket impact of ICC revenue is say 10%. This is the more likely scenario (see IPL and BCCI broadcast deals). doubt world cricket is going to die having 10% less.

If necessary cut he funding for first world assocaites like irlkeand, netherlands UAE etc.

2) Pak cricket impact is say 30-40%. Cricket might better of with less money as most Pak poster claim.

I think the second scenario i.e. an impact of 30-40% is more likely at this point for a bunch of reasons

1. India- Pakistan is probably the most attractive game in the World Cup for a broadcaster or advertiser outside an India final
a. It's the only unique one not available anywhere else.
b. India usually wins and so it's likely a safer game to promote

2. The current ICC rights holders believe they've overpaid and would be looking for any excuse to renege on the deal. The removal of one of the most attractive games could be just the excuse they need to renegotiate. There's not much competition after the merger and a renegotiation could mean a major reduction in value

If that 30% or so is true -
India would end up losing say $60-70m annually - a pain but not a major one considering BCCI is running an annual surplus of ~$500m and holds reserves of about $2B.
Pakistan would end up losing $10-12m - about 15% of it's revenues - a huge blow for a board that's already struggling financially.
All other boards would lose between 5-15% of their revenues (Australia the least)

It wouldn't bring world cricket crashing down by any means but would certainly cause a lot of pain along the margins. As you say, Associate nations would be the first to feel the pain, smaller boards like SL could well default on player salaries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If I understand it right, you're essentially saying you want to never have to play Pakistan again. Maybe even force ICC to exclude them from all tournaments. I suppose the BCCI has the clout to do that if it really throws it's toys out of the pram but to what end? You're not going to kill cricket in country of 200+ million people so what are you gaining?

For some posters the politics really does matter more than the sport. There will undoubtedly be Indian cricket fans who see Pakistan as an enemy who should be engaged as such in all spheres except on a war footing, and sporting endeavours should be set aside. Only issue with this is consistency. If you really believe that, then there should be refusal to play any events whether ICC or not.

 

[Local.Dada]

For some posters the politics really does matter more than the sport.

Some posters spend time on cricket forum mostly on political sections where they give the same half-baked illeterate takes on politics and diplomacy and what’s worse is have shown no improvement or depth in arguments with same rhetoric over many years . Based on enough sample size I can conclude unfortunately cricket takes a backseat to politics. It is what it is.

 

[Red-Indian]

For some posters the politics really does matter more than the sport. There will undoubtedly be Indian cricket fans who see Pakistan as an enemy who should be engaged as such in all spheres except on a war footing, and sporting endeavours should be set aside. Only issue with this is consistency. If you really believe that, then there should be refusal to play any events whether ICC or not.

To be fair, cricket and politics in the subcontinent are very interlinked. There's ego, national pride and point scoring. It's like football and politics in South America.

You can ask for consistency and logic in such matters but you're not going to get any.

 

[Local.Dada]

To be fair, cricket and politics in the subcontinent are very interlinked. There's ego, national pride and point scoring. It's like football and politics in South America.

You can ask for consistency and logic in such matters but you're not going to get any.

Pakistan boycotted Moscow Olympics when they had nothing to do with Russia directly.

It happens all the time.

also saying sports and politics are not related is one of the most dumbest arguments ever. Olympics the worlds first sporting even had political connotations not just now but even in Ancient Greece.

India owns the large piece of pie in cricket and they want to control the narratve. I understand Pakistanis having issues with it but America and China pretty much control the world, most are powerless to do anything about it. Think of this the same way.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

To be fair, cricket and politics in the subcontinent are very interlinked. There's ego, national pride and point scoring. It's like football and politics in South America.

You can ask for consistency and logic in such matters but you're not going to get any.

I don't know much about politics in South America but while there might be riots, assassinations and scandals, they do still seem to get the Copa America tournament played every year. I guess they don't want to give up their football badly enough.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan boycotted Moscow Olympics when they had nothing to do with Russia directly.

It happens all the time.

also saying sports and politics are not related is one of the most dumbest arguments ever. Olympics the worlds first sporting even had political connotations not just now but even in Ancient Greece.

India owns the large piece of pie in cricket and they want to control the narratve. I understand Pakistanis having issues with it but America and China pretty much control the world, most are powerless to do anything about it. Think of this the same way.

No one is saying Pakistan can stop India controlling the narrative due to having the larger piece of the pie. But they can still object to it, and try to get the ruling body to intervene to protect tournaments played in Pakistan.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Mohsin Naqvi in a presser today answered following questions:

Mohsin Naqvi initially briefed on construction work of different stadiums:

The whole PCB team is monitoring the construction work on stadiums besides I also pay a visit here every second or third day. Additionally, all our officials are present here, in Karachi and also in Pindi to monitor world there. Secondly, I want to update the whole world about stadium construction pace through you guys. We have made great progress in the construction work of the stadiums compared with the situation two or three months ago. FWO is working at a great pace and thus we are already ahead of time in finishing these projects. And God willing, we shall achieve our target of organizing the Champions Trophy in Pakistan.

Q: Did you write any letter to ICC regarding the champions trophy affair and what was the response of ICC to it?

Yes, we wrote a letter to ICC and we are still waiting for their response. Currently, we are only interacting with ICC and are eagerly waiting for their response.

Q: Are you looking forward to exert extra pressure on India (BCCI) through ICC?

I always believe that sports and politics are two separate affairs and no country needs to bring politics into the game of sports. And I still hope for the good outcomes.

Q: Jay Shah assuming charge as ICC chairman on 1st December so will this result in exertion of extra pressure on PCB?

I don't think anybody could give us a tough time because every member nation has some basic rights. And things like that can't occur and I am reiterating this that I am still hopeful that Champions Trophy will happen in Pakistan.

Q: BCCI organized World Cup 2023 trophy tour exhibitions in disputed territory of Ladakh but ICC didn't take any action but to the contrary it made objections to PCB's organization of same tours for Champions Trophy in Muzzarabad, Gilgit etc, how would you respond?

I think ICC needs to think about its credibility itself as it is a global body for the game of cricket. Also our CT trophy tour has been rescheduled so far but no cancellation of it has been made yet.

Q: Any updates on white ball coach?

Yes, we have made temporary arrangement, Aqib Javed has been requested to fill in this spot for a period of 3 months until the conclusion of Champions Trophy 2025. We didn't appoint a full time coach as there are only three months left in the CT 2025 and like before we don't want to appoint someone in haste. So we have requested Aqib Javed to work as an interim white ball head coach for the team being although we have other plans for him too in the future.

Again it is a temporary arrangement and in next 10-15 days we will initiate the process to appoint a permanent white ball coach after thorough probing.

Q: Opinion of other boards on organization of CT in Pakistan and issue with India?

All the teams that have qualified for the champions trophy are willing to travel to Pakistan so if India has an issue regarding it then BCCI should talk directly with PCB in case of any reservations regarding the Champions Trophy in Pakistan.

Q: Any B plan if India doesn't participate like calling some other team in their place?

You guys need to be optimistic as God willing all teams will participate in the CT event in Pakistan.

"Pakistan's respect is first and foremost. Rest, you will see what happens. Our stance is very clear; we have made it clear in the past.": Mohsin Naqvi

 

[shah9425]

Icc the lame duck still no response from them
Worst governing body that is hijacked by one board

 

[Local.Dada]

No one is saying Pakistan can stop India controlling the narrative due to having the larger piece of the pie. But they can still object to it, and try to get the ruling body to intervene to protect tournaments played in Pakistan.

Yea of course, they can try. It’s their choice to protest with the “ruling body”. No disagreement there and don’t think anyone has an issue there.

 

[Local.Dada]

Icc the lame duck still no response from them
Worst governing body that is hijacked by one board

I don’t think most will be happy with the eventual response anyway.

Pak have backed themselves in a corner by biting more than they can chew so to diffuse the situation there is a delay , eventually it will move back to hybrid after the hype dies down.

seen it plenty of times but you guys do you “umeed pe duniya Kayam hai” .

 

[shah9425]

I don’t think most will be happy with the eventual response anyway.

Pak have backed themselves in a corner by biting more than they can chew so to diffuse the situation there is a delay , eventually it will move back to hybrid after the hype dies down.

seen it plenty of times but you guys do you “umeed pe duniya Kayam hai” .

If hybrid precedent is set then in future it will be similar case for India when they will host the tournament

 

[Local.Dada]

If hybrid precedent is set then in future it will be similar case for India when they will host the tournament

You think they won’t think though that? Also I think next 2-3 tournaments in India are joint with Bangladesh and Srilanka so it really won’t require Pak to travel to India.

I think women’s World Cup is fully hosted in India. Sorry to say the bitter truth but no one will miss or care if the Pak women’s team refuses to travel. However I feel it will be under the radar so PCb will send the team.

Yes maybe final or knockouts hosting rights might be negotiated to travel to each other countries.

Thats the practical outcome.

 

[Rajdeep]

as I said before, the Gandhi nehru virus is very strong.

You have mentioned this term many times. What does that even mean?

I am a Modi bhakt and absolutely despise Gandhi & Nehru but still feel our cricket ties with Pakistan is not consistent. We simply pick & choose when to play them based on our benefits and then give it a patriotic colour by dragging death of soldiers.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't think anyone is denying that the CT or future ICC tournaments can be profitable without India v Pakistan. But without an India Pakistan, rights fees and broadcasting deals will probably need to be reevaluated significantly. Because the ICC's numbers are massively inflated because of this one match. If India really wants to paint cricket as a three team sport dominated by them, then let's go ahead and do that. Why should the ICC continue to profit from this match while Pakistan suffers to even host a full ICC tournament on home soil?

 

[emranabbas]

PCB Could Reach Out To CAS To Find Resolution For India's Non-Participation In CT 2025: Report

According to a report by the Indo-Asian News Service (IANS), the PCB is seeking an explanation from the BCCI regarding their stance on not travelling to Pakistan. India’s perspective has been consistent that they would only make the trip should the Indian government approve their participation.

The PCB who are seeking an explanation of India’s stance could consider escalating the issue to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) should they not come to a resolution as the PCB maintains its stance on hosting the entire tournament in Pakistan and also rejecting alternate solutions like a Hybrid Model, which was used in the 2023 Asia Cup.

PCB Could Reach Out To CAS To Find Resolution For India's Non-Participation In CT 2025: Report - News18

The Pakistan Cricket Board seeks an explanation from India regarding their unwillingness to travel to Pakistan and could escalate the matter to the CAS.

www.news18.com

Indians and their fantasy new again

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Pakistan could have pulled this same crap at the World Cup but they didn't. Because they hoped that, that gesture of goodwill would lead to India returning the favor. But clearly that was just a ruse. The BCCI never had the power to change the Indian government's stance. They were just trying to save their hide and organize the tournament with limited bumps in the road. I just hope that this is the end of Pakistan v India in future ICC tournaments and Asia Cups unless its in a knockout where they such a situation can't be helped. I certainly hope its the end of the Pakistan team travelling to India. For future tournaments in India, Pakistan's matches can be held in the UAE.

 

[Red-Indian]

Pakistan boycotted Moscow Olympics when they had nothing to do with Russia directly.

It happens all the time.

also saying sports and politics are not related is one of the most dumbest arguments ever. Olympics the worlds first sporting even had political connotations not just now but even in Ancient Greece.

India owns the large piece of pie in cricket and they want to control the narratve. I understand Pakistanis having issues with it but America and China pretty much control the world, most are powerless to do anything about it. Think of this the same way.

Agreed. I don't personally like it but I see what the Indian government is trying to do and don't think it's particularly egregious. Boycotts in sport (and selective boycotts at that) are par for the course. India does have the clear upper hand here and is using it...if in a slightly petty way.

What I do disagree with are views of guys like @rpant_gabba to take this to the extreme. Weapons like boycotts work when used strategically.

As an example, US had the power to have Cuba or Iran thrown out of the Olympics. Using it could've had unintended consequences - maybe formation of rival blocs, leaking outside sports etc.

 

[Local.Dada]

I don't think anyone is denying that the CT or future ICC tournaments can be profitable without India v Pakistan. But without an India Pakistan, rights fees and broadcasting deals will probably need to be reevaluated significantly. Because the ICC's numbers are massively inflated because of this one match. If India really wants to paint cricket as a three team sport dominated by them, then let's go ahead and do that. Why should the ICC continue to profit from this match while Pakistan suffers to even host a full ICC tournament on home soil?

Firstly nothing personal. You have a right to be upset as a Pak fan so no issues there.

However here are some facts:

PCB refused to send Pak players for IPL 2009. The claim was lack of Pak players will leave a huge dent in IPL viewership.

PSL started after IPL. Based on the craze, population etc, PSL should be the 2nd biggest franchise league. It is barely struggling to survive as per reports now.

Now yes, Ind-Pak match makes a lot of numbers and profits for everyone, however the impact of that is overstated. Dinesh Karthik’s innings against Bangladesh is one of the most watched cricket videos on YouTube. Does it mean Ind-Bangladesh is a must for ICC? It doesn’t work that way.

yes not just with cricket but in life getting along with everyone and getting to work should be the motto for everyone. however Pakistan govt is an equal offender in this matter and India has been pushed around to flex its cricketing muscle here.

PCB if they really wanted India to travel would have started the reaching out during WT20 itself or even before. Even during WC Rajiv Shukla and Roger Binny visited Pakistan. Apart from rhetoric and racist taunts against India on media I don’t see any outreach from Pak to invite India either.

I know it’s fun to bash India but if you think PCB is some martyr in this regards you are mistaken or willfully blind.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India has made their stance clearly right or wrong. What is Pakistan's stance here? I don't see a clear answer here. Each team has the right to take their own stance.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

As per reports, India is not sending their team to Pakistan for the upcoming Blinds Cricket World Cup to be held in Pakistan.

 

[Hitman]

Yaar look I get it. I understand people get scared. When my kids get scared of the dark I read them a story. It’s all good, you gotta fight it

Errrr, who read you stories during and after Pakistan and India played in the 96' and 03' WC's?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Firstly nothing personal. You have a right to be upset as a Pak fan so no issues there.

However here are some facts:

PCB refused to send Pak players for IPL 2009. The claim was lack of Pak players will leave a huge dent in IPL viewership.

PSL started after IPL. Based on the craze, population etc, PSL should be the 2nd biggest franchise league. It is barely struggling to survive as per reports now.

Now yes, Ind-Pak match makes a lot of numbers and profits for everyone, however the impact of that is overstated. Dinesh Karthik’s innings against Bangladesh is one of the most watched cricket videos on YouTube. Does it mean Ind-Bangladesh is a must for ICC? It doesn’t work that way.

yes not just with cricket but in life getting along with everyone and getting to work should be the motto for everyone. however Pakistan govt is an equal offender in this matter and India has been pushed around to flex its cricketing muscle here.

PCB if they really wanted India to travel would have started the reaching out during WT20 itself or even before. Even during WC Rajiv Shukla and Roger Binny visited Pakistan. Apart from rhetoric and racist taunts against India on media I don’t see any outreach from Pak to invite India either.

I know it’s fun to bash India but if you think PCB is some martyr in this regards you are mistaken or willfully blind.

At the end of the day, the power rests with India. If they wanted to, they could do away with all this B.S but they choose not to because they willingly want to hurt Pakistan. As Indian leaders have said numerous times in the past, they want to isolate Pakistan. India had numerous opportunities to express their dissatisfaction with travelling to Pakistan. It has been 3 years since Pakistan were given hosting rights. But they waited till the very end, which is not just deliberate but also shows their small-mindedness and pettiness.

I'm not talking about the IPL. I am talking purely about the India-Pakistan match, which has a massive effect on ICC's television and streaming viewership numbers. There is a reason that ICC 'tournament fixes' every tournament by having these two teams in the same group.

There is no comparison between views for a YouTube video and active viewership for a cricket match. Especially in regards to context and audience behavior. A YouTube video can be consumed by anyone, anywhere and doesn't have to be watched live. Video metrics for a YouTube video are more focused on cumulative, on-demand consumption patterns. A live cricket match takes into account a number of key real-time matrices like average minute audience, peak concurrent viewers, total unique viewers, ad impressions & delivery, all of which represent live, real-time engagement. These metrics directly influence ad revenues, sponsorship opportunities, and the valuation of broadcasting rights.

 

[emranabbas]

As per reports, India is not sending their team to Pakistan for the upcoming Blinds Cricket World Cup to be held in Pakistan.

Good news

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Looking at some of the Indian posters here, I changed my mind.

This is not the place to have fetishes and delusions about how cricket world would be without Pakistan in the mix.

Infact, I can point blank say right now, PCB is infact a termite for ICC which ICC needs to appease. It is not a flea and never was. If you try to ignore the termite, the entire structure collapses.

I know Indian posters are thumping around thinking Pakistan will be thrown out of ICC, but I assure you this will NEVER happen even for next 50 years.

Keep your dreams to yourself.

 

[Kroll]

Indian is not the custodian of this great game and they should not be allowed to hold an entire tournament hostage. The CT should go ahead with or without the Indian, and the other ICC members should support Pakistan in this respect.

So be it if there is a financial loss, but it should be played in principle alone. If they allow Indian to dictate the structure of ICC tournaments then they are setting a dangerous precedent which not might not just stop at Pakistani territory.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looking at some of the Indian posters here, I changed my mind.

This is not the place to have fetishes and delusions about how cricket world would be without Pakistan in the mix.

Infact, I can point blank say right now, PCB is infact a termite for ICC which ICC needs to appease. It is not a flea and never was. If you try to ignore the termite, the entire structure collapses.

I know Indian posters are thumping around thinking Pakistan will be thrown out of ICC, but I assure you this will NEVER happen even for next 50 years.

Keep your dreams to yourself.

These guys must think all their birthdays have come at once. It's one thing to gloat about destroying Pakistan cricket on their own media but to be able to come and do it on a site specifically made for Pakistan cricket followers is quite rich indeed. However, if the opportunity is there, can't blame them for taking it.

 

[RexRex]

It's one thing to gloat about destroying Pakistan cricket on their own media but to be able to come and do it on a site specifically made for Pakistan cricket followers is quite rich indeed.

Would you rather some of the indians on here lie to you about what they really feel ?

 

[RexRex]

But without an India Pakistan, rights fees and broadcasting deals will probably need to be reevaluated significantly. Because the ICC's numbers are massively inflated because of this one match.

Is it really ? The viewer figures for the ODI WC 2023 don't back this up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would you rather some of the indians on here lie to you about what they really feel ?

They still aren't really speaking openly, most of them revert to the security issue when they get confronted on their motives.

 

[Local.Dada]

At the end of the day, the power rests with India. If they wanted to, they could do away with all this B.S but they choose not to because they willingly want to hurt Pakistan. As Indian leaders have said numerous times in the past, they want to isolate Pakistan. India had numerous opportunities to express their dissatisfaction with travelling to Pakistan. It has been 3 years since Pakistan were given hosting rights. But they waited till the very end, which is not just deliberate but also shows their small-mindedness and pettiness.

I'm not talking about the IPL. I am talking purely about the India-Pakistan match, which has a massive effect on ICC's television and streaming viewership numbers. There is a reason that ICC 'tournament fixes' every tournament by having these two teams in the same group.

There is no comparison between views for a YouTube video and active viewership for a cricket match. Especially in regards to context and audience behavior. A YouTube video can be consumed by anyone, anywhere and doesn't have to be watched live. Video metrics for a YouTube video are more focused on cumulative, on-demand consumption patterns. A live cricket match takes into account a number of key real-time matrices like average minute audience, peak concurrent viewers, total unique viewers, ad impressions & delivery, all of which represent live, real-time engagement. These metrics directly influence ad revenues, sponsorship opportunities, and the valuation of broadcasting rights.

The broadcasters who make money on India-Pak matches and the production crew is primarily Indian. Foregin broadcasters make money on local sports that are more popular than cricket.

Ind-Pak matches make a lot of money but if the broadcasters are willing to take a hit, nothing anyone can do about it.

India has no problem playing Pakistan in a neutral venue. They have a problem playing in Pakistan. 2 different things.

you talk about India and other boards collapsing when they don’t play Pakistan which is maybe a fair point from your perspective but a rich guy can afford to take some losses but what will happen to PCB then? While I don’t think ICC will let Pakistan remove themselves from ICC but you must be really naive if you think Pakistan comes off looking better from it.

Anyways I have seen this before many times. Almost dejavu from Asia cup.

It will be the same or only get worse those are the 2 options. I am not dissing, I am giving you exactly what’s going to happen.

Willing to take up a monetary bet if you want to legitimize my claim.

 

[sweep_shot]

Question to all the Indian chest-thumpers.

Was there no cricket before BCCI became influential? Why do you people act like cricket would stop without Indian money?

 

[Local.Dada]

They still aren't really speaking openly, most of them revert to the security issue when they get confronted on their motives.

BJP the current ruling government is not a fan or Pakistan and want to corner them every chance they get just like Pakistan army establishment feels about India. Every day you repeat it a 100 times yourself on the other forum. What is it that you want to hear from Indian posters specifically

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The broadcasters who make money on India-Pak matches and the production crew is primarily Indian. Foregin broadcasters make money on local sports that are more popular than cricket.

Ind-Pak matches make a lot of money but if the broadcasters are willing to take a hit, nothing anyone can do about it.

India has no problem playing Pakistan in a neutral venue. They have a problem playing in Pakistan. 2 different things.

you talk about India and other boards collapsing when they don’t play Pakistan which is maybe a fair point from your perspective but a rich guy can afford to take some losses but what will happen to PCB then? While I don’t think ICC will let Pakistan remove themselves from ICC but you must be really naive if you think Pakistan comes off looking better from it.

Anyways I have seen this before many times. Almost dejavu from Asia cup.

It will be the same or only get worse those are the 2 options. I am not dissing, I am giving you exactly what’s going to happen.

Willing to take up a monetary bet if you want to legitimize my claim.

I think you are confusing my opinions with somebody else's or just didn't bother to read very clearly. I never said any board would collapse if they didn't play Pakistan, least of which India. But taking out the India-Pakistan match does impact those Indian broadcasters and would undoubtedly hit their bottom line. At the end of the day, there is only so much money you can make in one market. If you were a greedy broadcaster trying to make money off a supposedly international sport, you would want your profits to grow, not take a hit. It's a zero-sum game that Pakistan would be playing here, but like I said in the other thread, sometimes you have to cut off you nose to spite your face. Sometimes sending a message is more important. And it's okay, Pakistan will survive without 1-2 India-Pakistan matches each year. Atleast it would be a way to avoid all this drama and nonsense that precedes an India-Pakistan match. And hey, maybe then India's contradictory and hypocritical stance towards playing Pakistan won't look so contradictory and hypocritical anymore either.

 

[Local.Dada]

I think you are confusing my opinions with somebody else's or just didn't bother to read very clearly. I never said any board would collapse if they didn't play Pakistan, least of which India. But taking out the India-Pakistan match does impact those Indian broadcasters and would undoubtedly hit their bottom line. At the end of the day, there is only so much money you can make in one market. If you were a greedy broadcaster trying to make money off a supposedly international sport, you would want your profits to grow, not take a hit. It's a zero-sum game that Pakistan would be playing here, but like I said in the other thread, sometimes you have to cut off you nose to spite your face. Sometimes sending a message is more important. And it's okay, Pakistan will survive without 1-2 India-Pakistan matches each year. Atleast it would be a way to avoid all this drama and nonsense that precedes an India-Pakistan match. And hey, maybe now India's contradictory and hypocritical stance towards playing Pakistan won't look so contradictory and hypocritical either.

India will play Pak in neutral venue or at home

India will not travel to Pak

Seems crystal clear and 0 hypocritical to me:

However you have a point about blind team, tennis team etc- I do agree it comes off as not having a clear stand but looks like that has been considered now too. So hypocrisy covered up for now I think.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India will play Pak in neutral venue or at home

India will not travel to Pak

Seems crystal clear and 0 hypocritical to me:

However you have a point about blind team, tennis team etc- I do agree it comes off as not having a clear stand but looks like that has been considered now too. So hypocrisy covered up for now I think.

India will not play Pakistan in bilateral series in India or at neutral venues, because Pakistan is responsible for the death of Indian soldiers.

India will play Pakistan in ICC tournaments and Asia Cups where points are at stake because apparently the the lives of Indian soldiers only matter when points aren't at stake.

Meanwhile, India's table tennis and Davis Cup teams have no issue travelling to Pakistan.

Sounds pretty hypocritical and contradictory to me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BJP the current ruling government is not a fan or Pakistan and want to corner them every chance they get just like Pakistan army establishment feels about India. Every day you repeat it a 100 times yourself on the other forum. What is it that you want to hear from Indian posters specifically

Pakistan army does not feel that way about India. Logistically that does not even make sense. How could they corner India even if they wanted to? Pakistan cricket is an asset to Pakistan leadership, why would they want to jeapordise that?

 

[Hitman]

Question to all the Indian chest-thumpers.

Was there no cricket before BCCI became influential? Why do you people act like cricket would stop without Indian money?

Was there no human race before electricity, airplanes, telephones and internet were invented? It would be wrong to assume the world would come to a still with those 4 inventions disappearing from the world, isn't it?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Is it really ? The viewer figures for the ODI WC 2023 don't back this up.

You know there is some hard truth when you and I agree.

Why is everyone so hesistnant to find out what the actual $ value of Ind-pak match?

I bet the impact is 20% max.

World cricket can live with 20% less money.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I merely want to be done with their drama.

I'm pushing for a scenario where PCB's natak will have no influence on BCCI. BCCI will engage with PCB at a time and manner in which it chooses.

Let PCB find out what life is like without BCCI's current idiotic largesse thro ICC. Shut down any revenue from India going to PCB

Does the PCB's desire to host an ICC tournament seem like a drama to you?

Anyone with an unbiased perspective knows that it's the BCCI that acts like a drama queen whenever the topic of Pakistan hosting an ICC tournament comes up. And if you hate Pakistan and Pakistanis so much, why are you even here? You want to destroy Pakistan cricket yet still expect this place to thrive? Laughable. Another hypocrite spotted.

 

[TheSultan]

Errrr, who read you stories during and after Pakistan and India played in the 96' and 03' WC's?

thankfully no-one needed to read my a story. I watched a couple of cricket games.

In 96 I watched Sri Lanka give India a phainty of epic proportions that the ghatiya Indian crowd tried to get the match stopped.

In 03 we saw Aus give an even bigger phainty and a choke confirmation!

 

[Hitman]

thankfully no-one needed to read my a story. I watched a couple of cricket games.

In 96 I watched Sri Lanka give India a phainty of epic proportions that the ghatiya Indian crowd tried to get the match stopped.

Cough, cough .....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713530915127738532

In 03 we saw Aus give an even bigger phainty and a choke confirmation!

Errr, WC 1999 Final, 132/10 .... remember?

 

[Hitman]

thankfully no-one needed to read my a story. I watched a couple of cricket games.

In 96 I watched Sri Lanka give India a phainty of epic proportions that the ghatiya Indian crowd tried to get the match stopped.

In 03 we saw Aus give an even bigger phainty and a choke confirmation!

At Karachi, December 20, 1989. No result, the match being stopped because of crowd trouble. Toss: India. Put in on a damp pitch, Pakistan were in dire straits when Prabhakar picked up three wickets in his opening spell of five overs. However, the Indian team were forced to leave the field owing to repeated stone-throwing by the huge crowd, particularly from the galleries. The police were still struggling to control the student faction when the Indians, though reluctantly, took the field for the second time. As missiles more deadly than stones kept coming, they walked off again. With a full-scale battle between the police and the students resulting in the use of tear-gas and gun shots outside the National Stadium being heard, the abandonment of the match was a formality.

​

 

[TheSultan]

Seems like I touched a nerve! So predictable. Such little Victims!

 

[Hitman]

Seems like I touched a nerve! So predictable. Such little Victims!

Awww, when can't counter facts posted above, start trying to to patronise others and shift goalposts.

 

[ravisurya]

I don't think anyone is denying that the CT or future ICC tournaments can be profitable without India v Pakistan. But without an India Pakistan, rights fees and broadcasting deals will probably need to be reevaluated significantly. Because the ICC's numbers are massively inflated because of this one match. If India really wants to paint cricket as a three team sport dominated by them, then let's go ahead and do that. Why should the ICC continue to profit from this match while Pakistan suffers to even host a full ICC tournament on home soil?

If that is the case which some of the posters have been posting over and over, what is stopping PCB from being tough with negotiations?? Why isn't Pakistan demanding when you feel India vs Pakistan match is so vital?

 

[gazza619]

Hybrid model will have to do otherwise our security forces will not be able to earn hundreds of millions they are planning to make from providing security

This was clearly factored in when making the final call

 

[sweep_shot]

thankfully no-one needed to read my a story. I watched a couple of cricket games.

In 96 I watched Sri Lanka give India a phainty of epic proportions that the ghatiya Indian crowd tried to get the match stopped.

In 03 we saw Aus give an even bigger phainty and a choke confirmation!

What happened in 1996 semi-final at Kolkata was a disgrace. Kolkata should've been banned from hosting cricket for 10 years because of that.

Seems like I touched a nerve! So predictable. Such little Victims!

It seems like they want everyone to praise India 24/7; that too at a non-Indian platform.

Very entitled bunch.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What happened in 1996 semi-final at Kolkata was a disgrace. Kolkata should've been banned from hosting cricket for 10 years because of that.



It seems like they want everyone to praise India 24/7; that too at a non-Indian platform.

Very entitled bunch.

How many years should Karachi be banned?

A lifetime ban on Lahore?

 

[Local.Dada]

You know there is some hard truth when you and I agree.

Why is everyone so hesistnant to find out what the actual $ value of Ind-pak match?

I bet the impact is 20% max.

World cricket can live with 20% less money.

The larger point is India will take a huge hit if Ind-Pak match doesn’t happen- I can buy that. However Indian board can still get by with IPL and other series even if it is 80% drop in revenue.

What most Pakistanis have not answered is how will PCB survive a. Losing out on the India Pakistan match and b. the revenues ICC shares mostly which probably are generated by Ind-Pak game?

What’s the backup plan?

Good chance you will not get the answer. Chest thumping and being patriotic and hyper nationalistic is ok but there is never a measured analysis of the situation which we see many times. Till some decision is taken I beleive we will be going in circles here.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You have mentioned this term many times. What does that even mean?

It the emotional need to be be good and fair to everyone, even those who have nothing but ill will towards and have made it their long term goal to harm you in every which way possible. all in the name of "principled" stand, even when it harm you in the short run and the long run. the compulsive need to be "better than them"

This left the India without the ability defend itself for almost 2+ decades since independence. even after that, left it with a poor economy, a soft policy towards adversaries.

The unwillingness to take american help in '62, the turning over of POW after simla agreement.

I am a Modi bhakt and absolutely despise Gandhi & Nehru

I'm not. I'm secular and for me Modi is a pragmatic choice compared to the alternatives

but still feel our cricket ties with Pakistan is not consistent.

Gandhi nehru virus in action.

What is need to for consistency? PCB hasn't been consistent. they have done what is convenient for them and pakistan. BCCI and India should do the same.

We simply pick & choose when to play them based on our benefits and then give it a patriotic colour by dragging death of soldiers.

I'm not a fan.

If that provides enough cover to limit Pak's ability to get anything significant from Indian economy, I'm all for it.

IMO, opinion, India a done well enough that it can pretty much ignore pakistan in all aspects at this point.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic You all.

Talk about Champions trophy only.

 

[adil_909]

Pathetic Indians know there is no sporting or cricketing reason to not tour. Just turning it into a racist political battle. Everyone can see through it. Grow up.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Pathetic Indians know there is no sporting or cricketing reason to not tour. Just turning it into a racist political battle. Everyone can see through it. Grow up.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[offstump]

It the emotional need to be be good and fair to everyone, even those who have nothing but ill will towards and have made it their long term goal to harm you in every which way possible. all in the name of "principled" stand, even when it harm you in the short run and the long run. the compulsive need to be "better than them"

This left the India without the ability defend itself for almost 2+ decades since independence. even after that, left it with a poor economy, a soft policy towards adversaries.

The unwillingness to take american help in '62, the turning over of POW after simla agreement.

I'm not. I'm secular and for me Modi is a pragmatic choice compared to the alternatives

Gandhi nehru virus in action.

What is need to for consistency? PCB hasn't been consistent. they have done what is convenient for them and pakistan. BCCI and India should do the same.

I'm not a fan.

If that provides enough cover to limit Pak's ability to get anything significant from Indian economy, I'm all for it.

IMO, opinion, India a done well enough that it can pretty much ignore pakistan in all aspects at this point.

“IMO, opinion, India a done well enough that it can pretty much ignore pakistan in all aspects at this point.”

A genuine question which many of us struggle with is why are you here if you want to ignore Pakistan in all aspects. You keep posting here interacting with Pakistanis. You ignored the same question from another poster above.

 

[adil_909]

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

What does that mean?

We are trying to host a cricket tournament that was awarded to us fair and square. Every other team is coming. You know you have no reason to not come other than playing politics.

The worst that can happen as far as racist Indians are concerned is that they tour, nothing bad happens, and the team and fans are treated with kindness and respect. Which is what would happen and you guys know that. And that exposes all your BS and hatred. So you are going to make up drama and refuse to come, allowing you to continue fanning the flames of hate and pretending to be victims. What a joke.

Everyone can see through it. You're not fooling anyone. Grow up and come and play. It's not war and you aren't soldiers. Quit trying to act like it.

 

[rpant_gabba]

What does that mean?

read some history. it has been stated many times here.

IF PCB depends on India's participation to sucessfully host a tournament, it deserves to fail.

If BCCI depends on revenue from Ind-Pak game to survive, it deserves to fail.

If cricket as a sport is depending on revenue from 1 developing country, it deserves to fail

 

[Kianig89]

GOI refused Indian blind team to travel for Pakistan. Indian cricket & ICC does not need PCB and Pakistan cricket, thats a clear message. PCB needs to think practically.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

GOI refused Indian blind team to travel for Pakistan. Indian cricket & ICC does not need PCB and Pakistan cricket, thats a clear message. PCB needs to think practically.

Indian govt. nipping the argument of selective boycott by India. PCB is ensuring a total boycott by India in all sports arrangements.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What does that mean?

We are trying to host a cricket tournament that was awarded to us fair and square. Every other team is coming. You know you have no reason to not come other than playing politics.

The worst that can happen as far as racist Indians are concerned is that they tour, nothing bad happens, and the team and fans are treated with kindness and respect. Which is what would happen and you guys know that. And that exposes all your BS and hatred. So you are going to make up drama and refuse to come, allowing you to continue fanning the flames of hate and pretending to be victims. What a joke.

Everyone can see through it. You're not fooling anyone. Grow up and come and play. It's not war and you aren't soldiers. Quit trying to act like it.

Bhai, India is not coming to Pakistan. So replace India by SL and be done with.
Drama toh PCB and Mohsin Naqvi ka chal raha hai.
India has dealt with Pakistan's boycotts and bans and Pakistan should also be dealing with India's boycott and bans. There is only one party that's portraying itself as the victim all over the world.