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[Report] ICC informs the PCB that India has refused to travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 [Updated Post #418]

Devadwal said:
There is thing called sacrifice for the country .this is why soldiers should treated respectfully no matter which country's they are belong to .
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I think they are not doing any favor to us. Thats their duty/work/bread and butter. They are not forced into army.
 
khyberlion said:
Just play without India. Kick them out and get another team in.
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Once again, a whole bunch of poster have this. But the ICC/PCB seem to think differently. Paying no heed to fans.

Even now that BCCI have said they will not travel to Pakistan, the ICC/PCB duo will not kick them out and bring SL in.

In fact they will go on an appeasement mission to accommodate the Indian team in every which way possible.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Unless PCB is thinking of hosting CT without India and compensating the ICC rest nothing makes a difference.
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It isn't Pakistan's responsibility to compensate the ICC for India's decisions. Hosting rights were awarded, India was fine with Pakistan hosting.

It's India's responsibility to pay. You had three years to raise concerns or try to work out a deal. The fees have been paid, television contracts have been signed, stadiums have been upgraded in preparation for this tournament. Pay up.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If you want to act like a typical chest-thumping Indian nationalist then by all means feel free to do so. If you want to debate this topic like a grown adult then stick to the points of the topic instead of going off-topic.

The presidential level security that Pakistan provides teams is more of a deterrent than anything else. Because such an unfortunate and high-profile incident happened in Pakistan in 2009, Pakistan feel the need to provide teams with fool-proof security. More than anything it is a way to assuage their fears and put them at rest that nothing will happen. On the whole there is no need for providing that level of security situation because the situation in Pakistan is fairly normal/
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What was chest thumping ? All Of my points are valid .

Mumbai attacks were happened in india but after few week's England comeback to play the test series without presidential level security

The point is there is always more risks to any team in pakistan than others so security issue is definitely .

You're just looking for pakistan perspective and World does not see Pakistan at same line due to history Of attacks and presence of non State actors.
 
zn426 said:
It isn't Pakistan's responsibility to compensate the ICC for India's decisions. Hosting rights were awarded, India was fine with Pakistan hosting.

It's India's responsibility to pay. You had three years to raise concerns or try to work out a deal. The fees have been paid, television contracts have been signed, stadiums have been upgraded in preparation for this tournament. Pay up.
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If india was fine with Pakistan hosting then BCCI would have already signed the agreement to Play champion trophy in pakistan. But they did not signed that agreement . They are waiting things to change ( India - Pakistan politics) but unfortunately both countries relation hasn't improved at all.

Its not India responsibilty as they are ready to Play champion trophy but not in pakistan.

Now its upto PCB / ICC how they will works now ,they have few options to explore .

1) Play champion trophy with hybrid model
2) Play champion trophy without India , in this case all the broadcasters/ sponsors ( Most of Indian) can say we will not pay anything to ICC as they are not in profit ,so its upto PCB / ICC how they will negotiate to all others boards as England boards already said that no champion trophy without india .
 
Devadwal said:
If india was fine with Pakistan hosting then BCCI would have already signed the agreement to Play champion trophy in pakistan. But they did not signed that agreement . They are waiting things to change ( India - Pakistan politics) but unfortunately both countries relation hasn't improved at all.

Its not India responsibilty as they are ready to Play champion trophy but not in pakistan.

Now its upto PCB / ICC how they will works now ,they have few options to explore .

1) Play champion trophy with hybrid model
2) Play champion trophy without India , in this case all the broadcasters/ sponsors ( Most of Indian) can say we will not pay anything to ICC as they are not in profit ,so its upto PCB / ICC how they will negotiate to all others boards as England boards already said that no champion trophy without india .
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Prove it. Get the minutes released that showed India warned against hosting the champions trophy in Pakistan. Show us the ICC meeting where India voted against awarding hosting rights to Pakistan.

If India voted in favor of awarding hosting rights, they already agreed and there's no further discussion to be had on India's position in this matter - you can't make some nonsense up as "they signed no agreement". It's been a well established fact for three years that Pakistan was going to host the 2025 champions trophy. Voting in favor of hosting rights was the agreement.
 
zn426 said:
Prove it. Get the minutes released that showed India warned against hosting the champions trophy in Pakistan. Show us the ICC meeting where India voted against awarding hosting rights to Pakistan.

If India voted in favor of awarding hosting rights, they already agreed and there's no further discussion to be had on India's position in this matter - you can't make some nonsense up as "they signed no agreement". It's been a well established fact for three years that Pakistan was going to host the 2025 champions trophy. Voting in favor of hosting rights was the agreement.
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There was no voting for awarding the champions trophy hosting rights to Pakistan.

Show me a statement from ICC / PCB or any other sources that BCCI signed the agreement to Play champion trophy in pakistan.

There is reason why pakistan is talking about not going to india to play next ICC events as they are not signed any agreement to ICC or India.

You're not making any sence .
 
FearlessRoar said:
Former India opener Aakash Chopra said on his YouTube channel:

"Yes, this is an ICC event. Broadcasters have committed money for the event. But there is always a rider that if ICC cannot ensure India's participation, then the broadcasters will not invest or there will be a financial re-evaluation. If India does not participate, the money falls drastically."

"The last PCB board chief during the 2023 ODI World Cup said 'dushman mulk ja rahe hum' (we are going into the enemy's territory). In the future, if Pakistan decides not to play against India, there will be repercussions. India will also face repercussions if they do not visit Pakistan, but the sanctions will be financial, and how can the ICC stop India's money going to India? Pakistan do not have that kind of leverage. This is the hard reality. I feel it is absolutely certain that there will be no Champions Trophy without India. Every team, including Pakistan, understands this."
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What’s the possibility of ICC selling their broadcasting rights to a non Indian broadcaster going forward?
 
Devadwal said:
There was no voting for awarding the champions trophy hosting rights to Pakistan.

Show me a statement from ICC / PCB or any other sources that BCCI signed the agreement to Play champion trophy in pakistan.

There is reason why pakistan is talking about not going to india to play next ICC events as they are not signed any agreement to ICC or India.

You're not making any sence .
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Burden of proof isn't on me, it's on you. You are the one claiming India never agreed. Thus, as you have taken the position that Pakistan must compensate ICC for damages caused by India, you are required to prove that India warned and told ICC in 2021 that they would not be able to travel and that the Indian government wouldn't approve travel.

The sooner you understand that Pakistan isn't responsible for India's choices, the better off you will be. Perhaps the solution will be to withhold revenue from India until Pakistan is made whole from India's refusal to comply by decisions made by the ICC of which India is voluntarily a member.
 
zn426 said:
It isn't Pakistan's responsibility to compensate the ICC for India's decisions. Hosting rights were awarded, India was fine with Pakistan hosting.

It's India's responsibility to pay. You had three years to raise concerns or try to work out a deal. The fees have been paid, television contracts have been signed, stadiums have been upgraded in preparation for this tournament. Pay up.
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BCCI won't pay a dime. All that will happen is that BCCI won't receive the ICC revenue share for that year.

ICC now has to see whether hosting the event in Pakistan without India is feasible.
 
zn426 said:
Burden of proof isn't on me, it's on you. You are the one claiming India never agreed. Thus, as you have taken the position that Pakistan must compensate ICC for damages caused by India, you are required to prove that India warned and told ICC in 2021 that they would not be able to travel and that the Indian government wouldn't approve travel.

The sooner you understand that Pakistan isn't responsible for India's choices, the better off you will be. Perhaps the solution will be to withhold revenue from India until Pakistan is made whole from India's refusal to comply by decisions made by the ICC of which India is voluntarily a member.
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Particpation in international sports events are subject to permission from the respective govts. And National Govts. are sovereign and not obligated or responsible to ICC or any other international sporting Body. Simple common sense has been told time and time again but somehow PPers are not able to wrap their head around this fact.

Waiting for another compensation being handed to BCCI by PCB in all the bravado!! :snack:
 
zn426 said:
Prove it. Get the minutes released that showed India warned against hosting the champions trophy in Pakistan. Show us the ICC meeting where India voted against awarding hosting rights to Pakistan.

If India voted in favor of awarding hosting rights, they already agreed and there's no further discussion to be had on India's position in this matter - you can't make some nonsense up as "they signed no agreement". It's been a well established fact for three years that Pakistan was going to host the 2025 champions trophy. Voting in favor of hosting rights was the agreement.
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Since 2022 India is refusing to sign the MPA on the 2025 CT issue.
 
Only logical chance for PCB is to accept hybrid model and play all its matches in Pakistan. If they reach finals and India also qualifies then play India in Dubai.
 
Hitman said:
BCCI should just pull out of the event. We have no right to take the tournament away from Pakistan after they were awarded hosting rights. Hybrid model isn't fair either since they have been awarded hosting rights. Since we are not willing to travel to Pakistan, the problem lies with us, not with anyone else. We should just pull out of the tournament.​
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A sensible post from an Indian in the sea of noise. I appreciate voices like yours who's job is not to bash and hate everything related to Pakistan. We fans want to see Cricket in our home. We would love to have Indian team in our grounds but we also want to see an ICC tournament happen in Pakistan successfully.
 
RidiculousMan said:
A sensible post from an Indian in the sea of noise. I appreciate voices like yours who's job is not to bash and hate everything related to Pakistan. We fans want to see Cricket in our home. We would love to have Indian team in our grounds but we also want to see an ICC tournament happen in Pakistan successfully.
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You can just as easily have it with a hybrid model too. All matches except India's happen in Pakistan.
 
Why don’t Ind play all there games in mohali & give PCB the earnings they make as if game was played in Pak.
 
If PCB is willing to issue an unconditional apology for wasting our time, we should allow them to present a case to convince us to allow them a hybrid model in good spirit. Else move this thing to Sri Lanka and we can get on with life with a Pakistan less tournament.
 
How much of the ICC (Bharatiya) money has PCB wasted on stadium renovations knowing well they weren’t gonna host any tournament for ICC?
@cricketjoshila

How is Jay Shah going to defend this wastage of money to the board.
 
AAli98 said:
Why don’t Ind play all there games in mohali & give PCB the earnings they make as if game was played in Pak.
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That is hybrid model we are talking about. PCB will get all the money as they are host .

Its just Pakistan don't want a hybrid model with india so ICC likely to chose UAE .
 
cricketjoshila said:
BCCI won't pay a dime. All that will happen is that BCCI won't receive the ICC revenue share for that year.

ICC now has to see whether hosting the event in Pakistan without India is feasible.
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It should be feasible it’s just an event like any other, there are 100 events without India in cricket.

This will hopefully make every Pakistani tune into watch the game, I’m sure many Indians will tune in as well.

I don’t think its fair on Pakistani cricket fans anymore.(I don’t care about PCB)
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
You can just as easily have it with a hybrid model too. All matches except India's happen in Pakistan.
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Which is not good. Because Pakistanis will be missing teams games. And if India qualifies for Semi or Final then what? Should Pakistani fans be robbed off an opportunity to fitness a knockout game at home in a tournament where they are hosts?
 
Devadwal said:
Virat Kohli's Pakistani Fan Jailed For 10 Years For Flying Indian Flag after indian victory . :kp
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I think he probably was anti-government that guy, Rohit would be treated much better, he knows it himself which is why he is eager to come.
 
According to a journalist PCB chief asked Pakistan journalist to comes to Lahore and ordered them to spread the news about Pakistan will not participate in next ICC tournaments in india or boycott the champion trophy etc .

It was done just to pressurized india but nothing else. And this hoex is not change the indian stances .

Champion trophy will held in hybrid model .end of discussion.

Pakistan emotional fans are hoping for PCB to take a taught stand but they don't know PCB gave empty threats.
 
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Devadwal said:
According to Vikrant Gupta PCB chief asked Pakistan journalist to comes to Lahore and ordered them to spread the news about Pakistan will not participate in next ICC tournaments in india or boycott the champion trophy etc .

It was done just to pressurized india but nothing else. And this hoex is not change the indian stances .

Champion trophy will held in hybrid model .end of discussion.

Pakistan emotional fans are hoping for PCB to take a taught stand but they don't know PCB gave empty threats.
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When Imran Khan became PM he vowed never to take any loan from IMF but after few months he realized that there was no way out but go to IMF for bailout

Same thing will happen here. Pakistan will rant , scream , shriek for few weeks but after that they will fall in line & co-host the CT 2025 & also come to India for future events

Money talks. As Imran himself said - beggars cannot be choosers
 
Devadwal said:
According to Vikrant Gupta PCB chief asked Pakistan journalist to comes to Lahore and ordered them to spread the news about Pakistan will not participate in next ICC tournaments in india or boycott the champion trophy etc .

It was done just to pressurized india but nothing else. And this hoex is not change the indian stances .

Champion trophy will held in hybrid model .end of discussion.

Pakistan emotional fans are hoping for PCB to take a taught stand but they don't know PCB gave empty threats.
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Love the suggestion of open battle against BCCI.
Things will take a drastic turn when BCCI starts issuing IPL bans to any cricketer with links to PSL or PCB.
You won't find even Sikandar Raza playing PSL then.
 
Most Indians are hypocrite, they sent blind cricketers in Pakistan as if their lives have no value. Indians are only worship money regardless whom has the money.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Love the suggestion of open battle against BCCI.
Things will take a drastic turn when BCCI starts issuing IPL bans to any cricketer with links to PSL or PCB.
You won't find even Sikandar Raza playing PSL then.
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India is not a GOD that we can't survive. If Iran/N Korea can survive with US sanction we can survive with India (so called Switzerland with no proper toilets) we can survive.
 
JaDed said:
It should be feasible it’s just an event like any other, there are 100 events without India in cricket.

This will hopefully make every Pakistani tune into watch the game, I’m sure many Indians will tune in as well.

I don’t think its fair on Pakistani cricket fans anymore.(I don’t care about PCB)
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Hundreds of event don't have the Indian broadcaster paying 90 per cent of the total broadcast revenue.
 
NishanKonar said:
When Imran Khan became PM he vowed never to take any loan from IMF but after few months he realized that there was no way out but go to IMF for bailout

Same thing will happen here. Pakistan will rant , scream , shriek for few weeks but after that they will fall in line & co-host the CT 2025 & also come to India for future events

Money talks. As Imran himself said - beggars cannot be choosers
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It wasn't Imran who said that, it was Shehbaz Sharif lol
 
PCB has said nothing and no journalists have said that Pakistan will not participate in ICC tournaments. They have merely put forward theories about how PCB may act. There is nothing concrete about how PCB will act.

Pakistan is happy to put petty nationalism aside and work collectively for the betterment of international cricket and has expressed this to the ICC. Anyway now that GOI has placed restrictions on its players from playing then its not an issue between Pakistan/BCCI. It is an issue for the ICC.
 
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JaDed said:
India’s stance however wrong is consistent, Pakistan needs to take a stance.
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In this case its completely inconsistent.

Consistent stance would be we do not want to play in Pakistan because it pains our public, therefore we can't play in this tournament.

It seems the stance is, we do not want to play in Pakistan, nor do we want anyone else to play in Pakistan, and we will celebrate this as a great achievement.

If you think about this rationally they are not just flexing their muscle at Pakistan here they are holding the hole of international cricket hostage so their right wingers can give each other back slap on social media.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Vikrant was a bit drunk before making these types of statements.

PCB has said nothing and no journalists have said that Pakistan will not participate in ICC tournaments. They have merely put forward theories about how PCB may act. There is nothing concrete about how PCB will act.

Pakistan is happy to put petty nationalism aside and work collectively for the betterment of international cricket and has expressed this to the ICC. Anyway now that GOI has placed restrictions on its players from playing then its not an issue between Pakistan/BCCI. It is an issue for the ICC.
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Before BCCI confirmation naqvi sahab was doing daily press conference so why not do it now and say openly what is their stances .

So far they are using media to spread the fake news .
 
DeadlyVenom said:
In this case its completely inconsistent.

Consistent stance would be we do not want to play in Pakistan because it pains our public, therefore we can't play in this tournament.

It seems the stance is, we do not want to play in Pakistan, nor do we want anyone else to play in Pakistan, and we will celebrate this as a great achievement.

If you think about this rationally they are not just flexing their muscle at Pakistan here they are holding the hole of international cricket hostage so their right wingers can give each other back slap on social media.
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Why? Only India said they won’t play there, it’s upto Pak to take the decisions to ICC and make India withdraw points like 2003,1996 wc

India’s reason could be changing but stance is the same.
 
Devadwal said:
Before BCCI confirmation naqvi sahab was doing daily press conference so why not do it now and say openly what is their stances .

So far they are using media to spread the fake news .
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They have declared their stance on the champions trophy.

They cant declare any stance on future ICC tournaments because a. those tournaments are not finalised and b. we do not yet know the outcome of this issue.
 
JaDed said:
Why? Only India said they won’t play there, it’s upto Pak to take the decisions to ICC and make India withdraw points like 2003,1996 wc

India’s reason could be changing but stance is the same.
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Pakistan can't make the ICC withdraw points etc that is up to the ICC.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They have declared their stance on the champions trophy.

They cant declare any stance on future ICC tournaments because a. those tournaments are not finalised and b. we do not yet know the outcome of this issue.
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All the things have been known to any one with common sense since July when these threads started.
1. India will not go to Pakistan.
2. Pakistan and PCB will do a lot of chest thumping and threats
3. Eventually it will be a hybrid model
4. PCB will threaten to boycott Asia Cup in India but nothing will happen, world will move on.

We are at step 2, Step 3 is incoming within next two months.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They have declared their stance on the champions trophy.
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No they haven't declared any stances . All are just rumours and most likely fake .

No officially statements so far from PCB.

Anyways we will get scheduled update from ICC within this week with the venues .
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
All the things have been known to any one with common sense since July when these threads started.
1. India will not go to Pakistan.
2. Pakistan and PCB will do a lot of chest thumping and threats
3. Eventually it will be a hybrid model
4. PCB will threaten to boycott Asia Cup in India but nothing will happen, world will move on.

We are at step 2, Step 3 is incoming within next two months.
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Only step 1 has happened and only Indians have done chest thumping and threats.

The rest is hypothetical. It may happen/may not
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Only step 1 has happened and only Indians have done chest thumping and threats.

The rest is hypothetical. It may happen/may not
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Tell me which Indian created these threads?

Refuse matches against India in ICC Tournaments at neutral venues and boycott ICC events in India - Does Pakistan have the courage to draw this line?

If pakistan withdrawal from Champions trophy then there will be senction on PCB and all the revenue they get from ICC will be stopped . We were told if Pakistan refuses to travel to India for WC 2023, there will be sanctions on them. Now we are hearing if India refuses to travel to Pakistan...
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Bhai, hypocrisy ki hadd hoti hai.
 
Well, one thing i don't understand is why Indians are jumping like kids. I just came back from India last week and I can tell you they are nowhere close to EU/US in any terms, still majority of the kids wiping their nose off shirts and looking for railway tracks to do daily zarorat.

A common Indian will gain or lose absolutely nothing from this, most of them want peace and look forward for borders to open so they can visit their ancestors homes on the other side of the border. India should be clear in their approach, either boycott all ties with Pak also no cricket match in ICC events or on neutral venue. Or play wherever possible, Pak on the other hand should also make firm and clear policy, decline to visit India too for any tournament. PSL survived Pak team will also survive without Indian money/influence.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Only step 1 has happened and only Indians have done chest thumping and threats.

The rest is hypothetical. It may happen/may not
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No threats. BCCI has said it will not Travel to Pakistan.

What ICC will do now remains to be seen.

What PCB will do remains to be seen
 
If they refuse to travel then they should be removed from the tournament and replaced with another team

However, what should happen and what will happen are two different things

ICC/PCB will cave because ultimately money talks
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
If they refuse to travel then they should be removed from the tournament and replaced with another team

However, what should happen and what will happen are two different things

ICC/PCB will cave because ultimately money talks
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Is it entirely impossible for PCB to arrange extra money to compensate the ICC?
 
Pakistan may withdraw from next year’s ICC Champions Trophy in case the tournament’s hosting rights are stripped of the country in the wake of India’s refusal to travel across the border for it, official sources told Dawn on Sunday.

After the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) spokesperson’s confirmation on the same day, that the board had “received an email from the ICC, stating that the BCCI has informed them that their team will not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025”, the matter has been forwarded “to the Government of Pakistan for their advice and guidance”.

With PCB chief Mohsin Naqvi having ruled out the possibility of a “hybrid model” — under which India would play their matches at a neutral venue while the remaining tournament is played in Pakistan — the International Cricket Council (ICC) may propose shifting the tournament entirely to another country.

“In such a case, one of the options the government is mulling is that of asking the PCB to ensure Pakistan don’t participate in the Champions Trophy,” a source said, adding that the federal government was looking at the issue “seriously”.

While addressing reporters on Friday, Mohsin had said that the PCB should not be expected to “carry on with their good gestures”, pointing at Pakistan’s flexibility toward the Indian government’s stance of not sending their cricket team to the neighbouring country.

According to sources, a similar narrative prevails in the offices of the federal government, of which Mohsin is a part of as Pakistan’s interior minister.

Dawn understands that the government may go on to ask the PCB to refuse playing against India in any of the ICC or Asian Cricket Council tournaments until issues are resolved between India and Pakistan at the government level.

Amid political tensions between the two neighbours, the Board of Control of Cricket in India (BCCI) has stood firm by the Indian government’s policy of not engaging with Pakistan in terms of bilateral cricket over the years.

However, after having played the last bilateral series against each other in 2012, Pakistan and India have competed in ICC tournaments and the Asia Cup. Pakistan, in fact, visited India to feature in the ICC World Cup last year.

The visit, if anything, heightened expectations of India returning the favour by touring Pakistan for the Champions Trophy, which is set to be held in Lahore, Karachi and Rawalpindi from Feb 19 to March 9 next year.

India’s refusal to travel to Pakistan for the Asia Cup, which the latter hosted last year, saw the PCB compromise by implementing the “hybrid model”, which saw Rohit Sharma’s side play its matches in Sri Lanka, with only four matches of the tournament played in Pakistan, excluding the final.

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Pakistan ‘may withdraw’ from Champions Trophy after India refuse to cross the border

Govt may ask PCB to refuse to play against India in any ICC or ACC tournaments until issues resolved.
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Pakistani PP’rs, make peace with it. The Indian stance is Duplicitous, always was. Pakistan is no saint but we came to WC games.

It is just insane to expect any other outcome. r.e. eastern neighbour, keep your expectations extremely low.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Pakistan may withdraw from next year’s ICC Champions Trophy in case the tournament’s hosting rights are stripped of the country in the wake of India’s refusal to travel across the border for it, official sources told Dawn on Sunday.

After the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) spokesperson’s confirmation on the same day, that the board had “received an email from the ICC, stating that the BCCI has informed them that their team will not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025”, the matter has been forwarded “to the Government of Pakistan for their advice and guidance”.

With PCB chief Mohsin Naqvi having ruled out the possibility of a “hybrid model” — under which India would play their matches at a neutral venue while the remaining tournament is played in Pakistan — the International Cricket Council (ICC) may propose shifting the tournament entirely to another country.

“In such a case, one of the options the government is mulling is that of asking the PCB to ensure Pakistan don’t participate in the Champions Trophy,” a source said, adding that the federal government was looking at the issue “seriously”.

While addressing reporters on Friday, Mohsin had said that the PCB should not be expected to “carry on with their good gestures”, pointing at Pakistan’s flexibility toward the Indian government’s stance of not sending their cricket team to the neighbouring country.

According to sources, a similar narrative prevails in the offices of the federal government, of which Mohsin is a part of as Pakistan’s interior minister.

Dawn understands that the government may go on to ask the PCB to refuse playing against India in any of the ICC or Asian Cricket Council tournaments until issues are resolved between India and Pakistan at the government level.

Amid political tensions between the two neighbours, the Board of Control of Cricket in India (BCCI) has stood firm by the Indian government’s policy of not engaging with Pakistan in terms of bilateral cricket over the years.

However, after having played the last bilateral series against each other in 2012, Pakistan and India have competed in ICC tournaments and the Asia Cup. Pakistan, in fact, visited India to feature in the ICC World Cup last year.

The visit, if anything, heightened expectations of India returning the favour by touring Pakistan for the Champions Trophy, which is set to be held in Lahore, Karachi and Rawalpindi from Feb 19 to March 9 next year.

India’s refusal to travel to Pakistan for the Asia Cup, which the latter hosted last year, saw the PCB compromise by implementing the “hybrid model”, which saw Rohit Sharma’s side play its matches in Sri Lanka, with only four matches of the tournament played in Pakistan, excluding the final.

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Pakistan ‘may withdraw’ from Champions Trophy after India refuse to cross the border

Govt may ask PCB to refuse to play against India in any ICC or ACC tournaments until issues resolved.
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From hosting the entire champion trophy in pakistan to stripped the hosting right of champions trophy .

How tone has change just in a days . :kp
 
RehanG said:
Well, one thing i don't understand is why Indians are jumping like kids. I just came back from India last week and I can tell you they are nowhere close to EU/US in any terms, still majority of the kids wiping their nose off shirts and looking for railway tracks to do daily zarorat.

A common Indian will gain or lose absolutely nothing from this, most of them want peace and look forward for borders to open so they can visit their ancestors homes on the other side of the border. India should be clear in their approach, either boycott all ties with Pak also no cricket match in ICC events or on neutral venue. Or play wherever possible, Pak on the other hand should also make firm and clear policy, decline to visit India too for any tournament. PSL survived Pak team will also survive without Indian money/influence.
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This is probably the only time, i feel, that majority, sane Pakistanis would like to make amends. Cant speak for the cabal and kingmakers as they dont represent the awaam. But awaam doesnt hate anybody, they are just struggling make daily bread for themselves and family.
 
I don’t understand why the BCCI is pushing for a hybrid model. If we don’t want to participate, that’s fine; let’s sit. No one is forcing us to travel and take the risk. We can’t take away Pakistan’s hosting rights, let them conduct the tournament with other countries. I don’t like this unnecessary fuss.
 
Devadwal said:
From hosting the entire champion trophy in pakistan to stripped the hosting right of champions trophy .

How tone has change just in a days . :kp
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If the ICC makes the decision to strip Pakistan of the hosting rights then the cricket world loses *anyway* because they'll refuse to participate so lose the Pak v India game anyway which everyone is crying about saying it's necessary for financial reasons.

Would be completely illogical to make that decision unless they had cast iron guarantees that both countries will play.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
I don’t understand why the BCCI is pushing for a hybrid model. If we don’t want to participate, that’s fine; let’s sit. No one is forcing us to travel and take the risk. We can’t take away Pakistan’s hosting rights, let them conduct the tournament with other countries. I don’t like this unnecessary fuss.
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They are pushing it because the BCCI wants to have its cake and eat it.
 
Bhaijaan said:
If PCB is willing to issue an unconditional apology for wasting our time, we should allow them to present a case to convince us to allow them a hybrid model in good spirit. Else move this thing to Sri Lanka and we can get on with life with a Pakistan less tournament.
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You're not going to get any apologies from Pakistan. You made this situation, suck it up and own it.

Let's move on and replace India with USA or SL in this tournament. I think frankly USA would be an excellent addition to the 2025 CT. Imagine all the sponsorship coming from Pakistani companies for the USA vs. Pakistan revenge match in Rawalpindi.

Heck, imagine the revenues from USA companies who want a crack at what they missed out on in the T20 world cup after the USA showed their strength. Saturday morning in America and Saturday night in Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
m.cricbuzz.com

Not all boards have signed MPA yet: ICC chairman on media rights tender

The ICC is expected to come up with its tender within one week of the IPL rights sale, expected to be completed by mid-June
m.cricbuzz.com m.cricbuzz.com

Since 2022 India is refusing to sign the MPA on the 2025 CT issue.
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This is a media rights issue then, not a touring issue. But fine.

If India is so keen on not participating they're welcome to stay home. ICC and PCB can replace them with USA and get creative on revenue.
 
psb07158 said:
If the ICC makes the decision to strip Pakistan of the hosting rights then the cricket world loses *anyway* because they'll refuse to participate so lose the Pak v India game anyway which everyone is crying about saying it's necessary for financial reasons.

Would be completely illogical to make that decision unless they had cast iron guarantees that both countries will play.
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I know nothing will happen and CT will happened but in hybrid model.

This all the talks from Pakistan/ PCB is for Domestic audience .

PCB will say later that look, we fought but our views were not listened
 
DeadlyVenom said:
In this case its completely inconsistent.

Consistent stance would be we do not want to play in Pakistan because it pains our public, therefore we can't play in this tournament.

It seems the stance is, we do not want to play in Pakistan, nor do we want anyone else to play in Pakistan, and we will celebrate this as a great achievement.

If you think about this rationally they are not just flexing their muscle at Pakistan here they are holding the hole of international cricket hostage so their right wingers can give each other back slap on social media.
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Cover Drive Six said:
I don’t understand why the BCCI is pushing for a hybrid model. If we don’t want to participate, that’s fine; let’s sit. No one is forcing us to travel and take the risk. We can’t take away Pakistan’s hosting rights, let them conduct the tournament with other countries. I don’t like this unnecessary fuss.
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I have not seen any report that says the BCCI is pushing for a hybrid model. All the crying and pompousness by the former Pakistani players or PCB officials do not make sense. It is the PCB's turn to host the tournament and let them host it or boycott it.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Its one of the major selling points but in terms of revenue generation it has already fallen behind other matches. I have already shared the viewership numbers of India-Pak matches of the recent world Cups. It is no longer the money maker event that it used to be.

India Pakistan match in 23 world Cup was basically ranked 5th out the 11 games India played in viewership. below group matches against New Zealand, Australia and South Africa.
Similar was the case for T20 World Cup.
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ICC has moved from a ranking seed system to making custom groups to make money off of a Pakistan-india match in group stages, but no, we need to believe some random guy on the internet saying that according to the numbers he want to believe, Pakistan-india doesnt make money..........

I get it that as an Indian, you need to pretend how unimportant Pakistan is, but plz try to be logical atleast.
 
A question for all Pakistani posters.

Pakistan all ex cricketer , journalist are telling PCB to boycott India and not go there to play even in ICC event's , thats fine

But can you ask them to Stop analysis every Indian matches on their YouTube channels?

90% ex players, journalist have own YouTube channels .

What do you think they will boycott to analysis indian matches ?


:kp
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
Quite, which is why India will get their way

Any normal sensible person that thinks rationally will see India are in the wrong but where money is involved that makes no difference
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Ultimately people have to pay bills.

Pakistan holds the CT in Pakistan, without India or with India, i will not complain.

But arranging $200mn should not be impossible.
 
Major said:
ICC has moved from a ranking seed system to making custom groups to make money off of a Pakistan-india match in group stages, but no, we need to believe some random guy on the internet saying that according to the numbers he want to believe, Pakistan-india doesnt make money..........

I get it that as an Indian, you need to pretend how unimportant Pakistan is, but plz try to be logical atleast.
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Bhai, if you are going to dispute figures straight from broadcasters. There is no scope of having rational discussion with a self appointed vanguard of truth. Those stats have been shared and discussed months ago. Aap shayad so rahe the.
India-Pakistan matches do make money but they are not the most watched India matches of the last 2 world Cups. THATS A FACT!

Jaakar check karlo, don't broadcast your lack of knowledge with such aplomb and bring shame to your fellow Pakistanis.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

‘Most watched’ ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 matches

Disney+ Hotstar set a new viewership record during the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup final between India and Australia. Here are the ‘most watched’ World Cup matches by peak concurrent viewership
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Be smart! Git gud!
 
zn426 said:
This is a media rights issue then, not a touring issue. But fine.

If India is so keen on not participating they're welcome to stay home. ICC and PCB can replace them with USA and get creative on revenue.
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Go ahead. Arrange the 200mn USD or so.
 
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