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so Disney Hotstar paid 3 Billion $ for Indian Market for rights cycle of 2024-2027. lets say icc did not revived CT as a tournament , how much disney would have bid on rights? 2.4 Billion USD , surely not. A tournament that lasts around a month and the one that will only last 2 weeks surely are not equal for a broadcaster . they will make more money from longer tournament compared to shorter one
Whose who?? Both look the same..
India player gettng attacked in Karachi in the late 80's or early 90's I think.Whose who?? Both look the same..
So far, neither has happened. If the ICC had the will, both of these would have happened a long time ago.No need to do legal just invite SL
Throw these clowns out
Ideally yes.Why not allow 9th ranked team and dump india. Its not a big deal if india does not participate in CT.
Pcb please let this decision to ICC and no changing of host.
Nzland paid for damages in that series and toured immediately the next year. We went for hybrid in Asia Cup because Zaka was spineless.Seriously, PCB will buckle again, the political appointees at the top don't have much options or self respect. Naqvi has already started giving mix signals about hybrid model if receive a written reply from BCCI.
It takes courage, believing in self respect for your country before you can take a firm stand. Remember when APS attack happened in December 2014, Pakistan continued the series against NZ on some flimsy excuse about broadcasting rights/fee blah blah. Likewise when NZ team bailed out last moment in 2021, that clown Ramiz went all bonkers issuing threatening statements how he's going to drag NZ board to accountability and how he's going to make them pay for damages, what happened after that? Likewise in the last installments of national humiliation, we adapted the hybrid model in Asia Cup just cuz PCB once again didn't have the guts to take a courageous and principled stand.
Because ICC will not allow it. Common sense. Broadcaster will ask for compensation. They paid the kind of money that they did with the idea that India will participate in all the major ICC tournaments. Sponsors, majority of which are Indian companies, will also pull out.Why not allow 9th ranked team and dump india. Its not a big deal if india does not participate in CT.
icc does not need to sell rights separately because no such situation has arisen before where we talk about playing without india, it does nt natter if they are sold as package. CT 2025 is not worth 600 Million $ if we isolate it from package or if icc sells it seperatelyICC doesn't sell tournament rights separately. The entire time period is sold and then the amount paid in annual installments.
Problem is money at the end of the day. Pakistan is a push over nation. If it was a capable nation, you wouldn't be seeing a bunch of Pakistani students run away to overseas countries and start a new life.BCCI should just pull out of the event. We have no right to take the tournament away from Pakistan after they were awarded hosting rights. Hybrid model isn't fair either since they have been awarded hosting rights. Since we are not willing to travel to Pakistan, the problem lies with us, not with anyone else. We should just pull out of the tournament.
Why should india pullout from champions trophy. India has already signed the agreement to play champion trophy but they did not sign that they will Play in pakistan. Both agreement are different so people are need to understand this before any discussion .BCCI should just pull out of the event. We have no right to take the tournament away from Pakistan after they were awarded hosting rights. Hybrid model isn't fair either since they have been awarded hosting rights. Since we are not willing to travel to Pakistan, the problem lies with us, not with anyone else. We should just pull out of the tournament.
Have you even think the implementation of boycotting the ICC Event by PCB?Pakistan boycotting will give a strong message . Yes it will be unfortunate but Pakistan is left with no choice . India’s attitude has been horrible they never want to make a step forward .
Its seem like PCB legal team is Full of incompetent peoples .they were already lost a case against india under Najam Sethi .I read some posts here that PCB will sue BCCI?
What will PCB sue BCCI for? What obligation does BCCI have towards PCB? Has BCCI signed any agreement with PCB?
Its seem like PCB legal team is Full of incompetent peoples .they were already lost a case against india under Najam Sethi .
I'm 100% dam sure they will lose against BCCI this time also if they file any case against BCCI . BCCI does not signed any agreement with PCB .how follish they are ?
I read some posts here that PCB will sue BCCI?
What will PCB sue BCCI for? What obligation does BCCI have towards PCB? Has BCCI signed any agreement with PCB?
Other than doing the right thing by cricket, the host nation and trying to not cause disruption for other boards trying to plan for the tournament…
This selective boycott makes no sense. You either play each other or be consistent with your moral approach and don’t play in any event/match at all
This is basically a game of chicken now. Who will blink first?
I have been very critical of the Naqvi regime but what I like about the PCB this time around is that they seem to be sticking to their guns. Unlike on previous occasions, where they cowered to the BCCI's stance, this time they are demanding a formal response from the BCCI for not coming. Obviously, if India does not want to come, they won't come. They are the biggest board in town and there is nothing you can do. But what the PCB needs to do is continue standing their ground on this because otherwise you would be setting an irreversible precedent for years to come.
A scenario in which Pakistan is stripped of the hosting rights and does not participate is much better than this hybrid nonsense. Sometimes cutting your nose off to spite your face is the only thing left to do.
Legal action against the BCCI will an absolutely frivolous, waste of time. You will never win that battle and only lose money. So I seriously hope they are not considering that route.
Dont play us in world cups either then. Be consistent.Pakistani cricketers are literally 50% maulanas. Have you forgotten the bigoted communal comments from Rashid Latif, Sohail Tanvir, Waqar Younis to say the very least. Even some no name female anchor of yours said some pathetic things about hinduism and was rightfully banned for it.
Pakistanis have earned every bit of hate through their actions not. Your people have no respect for other religions and feel they can openly mock our Gods and our culture. We are not interested in working with your lot.
Whenever any country team tour to another nation its always subject to government permission.Other than doing the right thing by cricket, the host nation and trying to not cause disruption for other boards trying to plan for the tournament…
This selective boycott makes no sense. You either play each other or be consistent with your moral approach and don’t play in any event/match at all
Stop it with this defeatist lack of self esteem based thinking. Its time to take a stand. If it means the end of Pak cricket then so be it. But principles and honour should come first.Pakistan will have to swallow its pride and accept the Hybrid model. They are heavily dependent on ICC handouts, they already have a very poor international and domestic broadcast deal which wont give them more than $10 million for the next 2-3 years, their PSL broadcast deal is also paltry at $12 million per year for the next 2 years and they have to surrender 95% of that to the Franchises.
If IPL can thrive without Pakistani players, why can't International cricket survive without Pakistan?
This is what BCCI wants for Pakistan to unwisely throws their toys out of the pram without thinking about the long term repercussions.
The PCB will get something via the Hybrid model. It is a better option than not getting anything at all.
Pakistan needs to come to terms with where the country of India and the Indian economy is at vis a vis Pakistan. The political realities b/w the two countries cannot be ignored. Play your cards right for now and hopefully things will change for the better in the next 10-20 years.
Yes take a bold stand . hopefully PCB and Pakistan will not take any U turn like always. Its now or never. Pakistan prestige is at stake.Stop it with this defeatist lack of self esteem based thinking. Its time to take a stand. If it means the end of Pak cricket then so be it. But principles and honour should come first.
To create global awareness about how India uses their power in cricket to blackball Pakistan. Once you get average people like ex-cricketers, global news and media outlets talking, awareness about the issue grows and more people (who aren't necessarily even associated with cricket) start taking notice. Of course, none of this is likely to make any difference to India's stance. But it is atleast a way to challenge the status-quo. There's a chance that it will put pressure on India and cause damage their international image, which has known to be a sticking point for this current government. On top of that, you hurt the ICC a bit as well by cutting off their revenue for India-Pakistan matches. Again, I'm just spit balling here and talking in hypotheticals. It's very likely that none of this will make any difference. But it is certainly better than doing nothing and accepting the current status-quo.BCCI has already written to ICC. They will not engage with PCB.
If ICC goes for a hybrid model and PCB boycotts the event and subsequent events in India, how will it affect the BCCI or ICC? What is PCBs end game here?
There is no global awareness because security issues is real in pakistan.To create global awareness about how India uses their power in cricket to blackball Pakistan. Once you get average people like ex-cricketers, global news and media outlets talking, awareness about the issue grows and more people (who aren't necessarily even associated with cricket) start taking notice. Of course, none of this is likely to make any difference to India's stance. But it is atleast a way to challenge the status-quo. There's a chance that it will put pressure on India and cause damage their international image, which has known to be a sticking point for this current government. On top of that, you hurt the ICC a bit as well by cutting off their revenue for India-Pakistan matches. Again, I'm just spit balling here and talking in hypotheticals. It's very likely that none of this will make any difference. But it is certainly better than doing nothing and accepting the current status-quo.
Personally, I don't see any issue in Pakistan missing an ICC tournament or two on Indian soil. It's not like our fans or journalists will be given visas anyway. We could all certainly do without our cricketers getting abused by xenophobic Indian fans. The only tournaments in which this could be an issue will be the upcoming Champions Trophy (if Pakistan chooses to boycott) and the 2029 Champions Trophy which will be held entirely in India. In 2026, the T20 World Cup hosting rights are shared between India and Sri Lanka. And in 2031, the World Cup hosting rights are shared between India and Bangladesh. If Pakistan get to the final (which will for sure be in India), then we'll cross that bridge when come to it.
Security issues exist in every country including India which is home to numerous active insurgencies. A week before the start of the 2017 Champions Trophy there was a terror attack in London. It made no impact on the Champions Trophy. Every country except India has come to Pakistan in recent years and has been perfectly satisfied with the security arrangements. India's excuse that the security situation in Pakistan is bad holds no weight in present day, especially after first-world, Western countries like Australia, New Zealand and England have made multiple multi-format tours to Pakistan since international cricket returned to the country.There is no global awareness because security issues is real in pakistan.
This is only highlight pakistan issues no other way around
A day Prior to announce made by BCCI there was a blast in pakistan and 25 people were killed in that blast .
That is rubbish. As if the threat is more for citizens of western countries. The hatred for Indians is the highest in Pakistan.Security issues exist in every country including India which is home to numerous active insurgencies. A week before the start of the 2017 Champions Trophy there was a terror attack in London. It made no impact on the Champions Trophy. Every country except India has come to Pakistan in recent years and has been perfectly satisfied with the security arrangements. India's excuse that the security situation in Pakistan is bad holds no weight in present day, especially after first-world, Western countries like Australia, New Zealand and England have made multiple multi-format tours to Pakistan since international cricket returned to the country.
Oh bhai why you forget that in pakistan a team was directly attacked by terroristsSecurity issues exist in every country including India which is home to numerous active insurgencies. A week before the start of the 2017 Champions Trophy there was a terror attack in London. It made no impact on the Champions Trophy. Every country except India has come to Pakistan in recent years and has been perfectly satisfied with the security arrangements. India's excuse that the security situation in Pakistan is bad holds no weight in present day, especially after first-world, Western countries like Australia, New Zealand and England have made multiple multi-format tours to Pakistan since international cricket returned to the country.
To be very honest, most people here don't give a damn about India. We have far bigger problems to worry about. It is only in India that elections are won by demonising Pakistan.That is rubbish. As if the threat is more for citizens of western countries. The hatred for Indians is the highest in Pakistan.
That was 15 years ago. Over the years, Pakistan has done alot to improve the security situation and root out terrorism that had boiled into this country as a result of the US invasion of Afghanistan. Now the security situation here is very good, as evident by the various tours of every international team except India.Oh bhai why you forget that in pakistan a team was directly attacked by terrorists
Has any other nation provided presidential level security to a cricket team ? No , because where is no direct threat to any team player's.
Pakistan reputation is well known facts for international community when comes to security .
I have seen this statement in various forms from several posters on this forum. But nothing even remote to this has been put in action by the PCB and people running it. And they are the people that matter in such circumstances.Stop it with this defeatist lack of self esteem based thinking. Its time to take a stand. If it means the end of Pak cricket then so be it. But principles and honour should come first.
the team that was attacked has come back several times after that. so this argument holds no weightOh bhai why you forget that in pakistan a team was directly attacked by terrorists
Has any other nation provided presidential level security to a cricket team ? No , because where is no direct threat to any team player's.
Pakistan reputation is well known facts for international community when comes to security .
BCCI has said it won't travel to Pakistan. If a board doesn't participate in the tournament their share of ICC revenues will be forfeited. So BCCI will lose its proportionate share of CT 2025.
That's the monetary punishment.
There is nothing else there. BCCI has no agreement with PCB. So PCB has no grounds to sue.
It’s not PCB fault here ICC allocated them as hosts and they did everything to put in place . PCB has to take the bold step . You can’t just always put up with this drama of hybrid model . It’s all vote bank politics in India . Bjp doesn’t want to show that they allowed team to play in Pakistan . Unless Pakistan takes some strong step this crap will keep on going .Have you even think the implementation of boycotting the ICC Event by PCB?
Security situation may have improve from earlier but still blast is happening frequently and blast on a railway station is not a Joke .That was 15 years ago. Over the years, Pakistan has done alot to improve the security situation and root out terrorism that had boiled into this country as a result of the US invasion of Afghanistan. Now the security situation here is very good, as evident by the various tours of every international team except India.
Another wrong take .To be very honest, most people here don't give a damn about India. We have far bigger problems to worry about. It is only in India that elections are won by demonising Pakistan.
To create global awareness about how India uses their power in cricket to blackball Pakistan. Once you get average people like ex-cricketers, global news and media outlets talking, awareness about the issue grows and more people (who aren't necessarily even associated with cricket) start taking notice. Of course, none of this is likely to make any difference to India's stance. But it is atleast a way to challenge the status-quo. There's a chance that it will put pressure on India and cause damage their international image, which has known to be a sticking point for this current government. On top of that, you hurt the ICC a bit as well by cutting off their revenue for India-Pakistan matches. Again, I'm just spit balling here and talking in hypotheticals. It's very likely that none of this will make any difference. But it is certainly better than doing nothing and accepting the current status-quo.
Personally, I don't see any issue in Pakistan missing an ICC tournament or two on Indian soil. It's not like our fans or journalists will be given visas anyway. We could all certainly do without our cricketers getting abused by xenophobic Indian fans. The only tournaments in which this could be an issue will be the upcoming Champions Trophy (if Pakistan chooses to boycott) and the 2029 Champions Trophy which will be held entirely in India. In 2026, the T20 World Cup hosting rights are shared between India and Sri Lanka. And in 2031, the World Cup hosting rights are shared between India and Bangladesh. If Pakistan get to the final (which will for sure be in India), then we'll cross that bridge when come to it.
It’s not PCB fault here ICC allocated them as hosts and they did everything to put in place . PCB has to take the bold step . You can’t just always put up with this drama of hybrid model . It’s all vote bank politics in India . Bjp doesn’t want to show that they allowed team to play in Pakistan . Unless Pakistan takes some strong step this crap will keep on going .
In 1996, West Indies and Australia refused to tour Sri Lanka for the World Cup. In 2003, New Zealand didn’t play in Kenya, and England refused to play in Zimbabwe. The ICC didn’t consider a hybrid model nor change the venue for teams reluctant to tour a country. So, why should there be a hybrid model this time? The ICC shouldn't let its tournament be hijacked by politics.
Its not PCB fault that BCCI is not sending the team but Pakistan boycott of champion trophy is own faults because they have signed the agreement with ICC.It’s not PCB fault here ICC allocated them as hosts and they did everything to put in place . PCB has to take the bold step . You can’t just always put up with this drama of hybrid model . It’s all vote bank politics in India . Bjp doesn’t want to show that they allowed team to play in Pakistan . Unless Pakistan takes some strong step this crap will keep on going .
Dont play us in world cups either then. Be consistent.
Its not PCB fault that BCCI is not sending the team but Pakistan boycott of champion trophy is own faults because they have signed the agreement with ICC.
You are not talking about legal points but emotionally .this is the reason why PCB were lost legal case against BCCI
So money >>>> Indian soldiers for you guys. It was funny how you guys had a mini opening ceremony last year at the Ind V Pak game and now when its Pak turn to host, we are the terrorist nation again.We do what is beneficial to us.
So money >>>> Indian soldiers for you guys. It was funny how you guys had a mini opening ceremony last year at the Ind V Pak game and now when its Pak turn to host, we are the terrorist nation again.
I have been saying this for months. But PCB did not lift a finger. All this nonsense could have been avoided had they done that. But nope. They chose to be reactive than proactive.Yep dumb move by PCB instead invite Sri Lanka in place of India
I have been saying this for months. But PCB did not lift a finger. All this nonsense could have been avoided had they done that. But nope. They chose to be reactive than proactive.
The lives of Indian soldiers should be more important than the two points or is that not the case? That is usually how it works - you are taking a stand on an issue.Not giving pakistanis any advantage is the goal.
How's giving pakistanis 2 free points helpful?
This is not how things works in professional set-up . The snake gets killed without the stick breaking - This is India approachThe lives of Indian soldiers should be more important than the two points or is that not the case? That is usually how it works - you are taking a stand on an issue.
Sorry but the deaths of soldiers are the most useless deaths in this world. You die because of war and then the final solution is to have a agreement and end the war for god sake. See history, all wars are ended with an agreement. So what is the use of losing a life then?The lives of Indian soldiers should be more important than the two points or is that not the case? That is usually how it works - you are taking a stand on an issue.
There is thing called sacrifice for the country .this is why soldiers should treated respectfully no matter which country's they are belong to .Sorry but the deaths of soldiers are the most useless deaths in this world. You die because of war and then the final solution is to have a agreement and end the war for god sake. See history, all wars are ended with an agreement. So what is the use of losing a life then?
If you want to act like a typical chest-thumping Indian nationalist then by all means feel free to do so. If you want to debate this topic like a grown adult then stick to the points of the topic instead of going off-topic.Security situation may have improve from earlier but still blast is happening frequently and blast on a railway station is not a Joke .
There is reason pakistan provide presidential level security to every team because there is always chance of attacks compared to other countries.
Pakistan fans may think that presidental level security is good things but actually its not.
Another wrong take .
Have you noticed how many countries delegation were visited in pakistan for SCO submit .
But guess what , only Indian foreign minister was centre of attraction for media etc. They even update on his morning walks etc lol
Every youtubers ( No matters which fields they are belong to ) from Pakistan are talking about india more than Pakistan
The lives of Indian soldiers should be more important than the two points or is that not the case? That is usually how it works - you are taking a stand on an issue.
Most pakistanis don't give a damn about sri lankans even, yet they got attacked.To be very honest, most people here don't give a damn about India. We have far bigger problems to worry about. It is only in India that elections are won by demonising Pakistan.
Attacked by foreign terrorists funded by enemies.Most pakistanis don't give a damn about sri lankans even, yet they got attacked.
On Pakistani soil.Attacked by foreign terrorists funded by enemies.
No, you are showing the world that nothing is greater than the lives of your soldiers especially a Cricket game. By playing ICC events, or allowing other teams to play in Pak like the MMA group that recently came, it shows you guys are not really taking a stand so the message isn't really there..So we should give Pakistan 2 points and help them. Is that how we take a stand? By helping?
No, you are showing the world that nothing is greater than the lives of your soldiers especially a Cricket game. By playing ICC events, or allowing other teams to play in Pak like the MMA group that recently came, it shows you guys are not really taking a stand so the message isn't really there..
Its sheer hypocrisy from the Indian side and its so absurd the stupid Indians should take a good hard look at themselves. If they are so morally staunch, then they should forfeit all matches against Pakistan in WCs, ICC tournaments etc.
Its laughable they only stoop to not going to Pakistan where they would be received warmly.
Just play without India. Kick them out and get another team in.