The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[BunnyRabbit]

Shawn/Angle the greatest match I’ve ever seen, the dream match we never knew we wanted. It boggles my mind we got to witness that masterpiece, we would never get Bret/Angle, but this was wrestling personified on the show of shows, it had grown men crying in gorilla. But old boy Dave gave it a 4.75.

When he started to go off the scale, you just knew he had started using around the same time, now Dave was always a user, but I think during gado’s NJPW peak he turned into an abuser to.

If you go back to his ratings from around the mid 90’s, you can see how easily he was swayed by either his friendships or major insiders. Jericho has been feeding him since day dot and while Bret did to, it was mostly out of spite and bitterness which was more understandable. Pre 96, Dave was a big mark for Shawn Michaels. It’s a shame because Dave was a reputable journalist during the territory days, the biggest decline ever for a so called major wrestling reporter

The fact that he's never given a Dwayne match more than 4.5 stars is laughable. His matches always had amongst the most crowd engagement.

Edge vs Randy at Backlash was one of the best matches of that year, don't think it broke his star system either.
Edge vs Seth and Randy vs Drew, New Day vs Usos (2017 feud) were easily 5 star matches.

Even his reporting is far from reliable. He makes up way too much stuff.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Seems like a pretty likely match. Although I'd prefer if they did a rematch for the tag team titles with a 2/3 falls stipulation. The story is there and both teams gel well together. Has all the potential to be a banger of a match. Also, did I mention how much I despise Riddle and everything about him from his stupid gimmick and one note promos to the fact that he wrestles barefoot and 3D birds come out of his a** when he enters the ring

For the main-event, I think they will probably go with Lesnar v Cody. That seems like a much more interesting and big-money match to me, that more people will be interested to see.

I like Riddle. Believe it or not, he is quite adaptable in terms of working style. Would like to see him do a submission match.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It will shock me if they hit the 50-60k number even in a 90-95k capacity stadium, right now I can’t fathom it, but I think TK might have a couple of aces up his sleeve.

Is Pac a draw in UK?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Edge needs to come back as a dastardly heel. This vanilla babyface run has been a massive flop for me.

He tried to do JD but didn't really suit him. JD right now is actually better than it was under Edge.

What made Edge so awesome back in late 2000s was his greed for the WWE championship. We haven't seen a single heel going for the title vs Roman (cause Roman's a heel)

 

[BunnyRabbit]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] so good old Jeff is back.

I may be heavily biased here but there isn't a better and more natural babyface than Jeff Hardy in pro wrestling. I just hope he remains healthy and well now.

 

[shaz619]

Is Pac a draw in UK?

None of them are for that situation. I think as it stands, Sheamus is the biggest draw in British wrestling scene, and he didn’t earn it overnight, biggest draw since Big Daddy.

CM Punk is 100% back, he sells 50k tickets on his own. I don’t see even a coked up TK booking a stadium show here otherwise. Punk is mega over here, but where is he not…

 

[shaz619]

The fact that he's never given a Dwayne match more than 4.5 stars is laughable. His matches always had amongst the most crowd engagement.

Edge vs Randy at Backlash was one of the best matches of that year, don't think it broke his star system either.
Edge vs Seth and Randy vs Drew, New Day vs Usos (2017 feud) were easily 5 star matches.

Even his reporting is far from reliable. He makes up way too much stuff.

Hogan/Rock was a 5*

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] so good old Jeff is back.

I may be heavily biased here but there isn't a better and more natural babyface than Jeff Hardy in pro wrestling. I just hope he remains healthy and well now.

When you just come out of rehab, is AEW the best place to be? am not sure. I hope Matt keeps an eye on him.

Jeff looks good but you wonder, how long until his demons awaken again. I think he’s good for the month of Ramadan though..

 

[BunnyRabbit]

When you just come out of rehab, is AEW the best place to be? am not sure. I hope Matt keeps an eye on him.

Jeff looks good but you wonder, how long until his demons awaken again. I think he’s good for the month of Ramadan though..

Definitely not. Actually he should only be working part time now and that too under strict supervision. His wrestling style has taken a toll on his body and he looked pretty rusty (obviously) yesterday.
The thing about Matt is even though he is Jeff's elder brother, he knows that without Jeff, he is totally irrelevant. So he might also be looking for one big hurrah before retiring.

I can also see TK wanting Jeff back for the All In. Hardy Boyz are still a big draw everywhere.

 

[The_KING]

Hogan/Rock was a 5*

He gave it 3 stars from what I remember, which was baffling.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I like Riddle. Believe it or not, he is quite adaptable in terms of working style. Would like to see him do a submission match.

His work is good. I liked him alot more in NXT. But since coming to the main roster I feel his gimmick and the goofiness that comes with it has been dialed up to an eleven. And personally I can't tolerate this guy anymore.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It will shock me if they hit the 50-60k number even in a 90-95k capacity stadium, right now I can’t fathom it, but I think TK might have a couple of aces up his sleeve.

I wouldn't be as shocked. Just because England has a massive fanbase that has largely been starved of big PPV level events. This is one year where they are getting MITB and an AEW stadium show in the space of a couple of months. But when was the last time WWE did a major event here? I would have to think it was probably Rebellion back in '01 or something, right?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] so good old Jeff is back.

I may be heavily biased here but there isn't a better and more natural babyface than Jeff Hardy in pro wrestling. I just hope he remains healthy and well now.

When you just come out of rehab, is AEW the best place to be? am not sure. I hope Matt keeps an eye on him.

Jeff looks good but you wonder, how long until his demons awaken again. I think he’s good for the month of Ramadan though..

Haven't watched Dynamite yet but this makes me more fearful for him than anything else. Because I saw the kind of matches he was having in AEW right before he got busted for that DUI. Those were seriously physical matches that a guy of his age who also has a pretty maxed out bump card should not be having. I mean just the match he had with Darby Allin...it was an fantastic match. But after that match finished I was like, there's no way Jeff is in one piece right now.

And the drug and alcohol problems that he has had throughout his life are very much interconnected. Because its a vicious cycle. When you have these kind of physical matches, where you take these dangerous bumps, you have to find a way to numb the pain. Especially when you're 45. And that inadvertedly leads to one of two things: drugs or booze. Here's hoping for the best for him. I just hope AEW are smarter and keep his health in mind too.

Because he's clearly not someone who will prioritize his health over wrestling.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] so good old Jeff is back.

I may be heavily biased here but there isn't a better and more natural babyface than Jeff Hardy in pro wrestling. I just hope he remains healthy and well now.

Couldn't agree more. His post-2006 run in WWE was incredible. And he had all the tools in the world to become a Cena level top babyface. Especially by 2008/09 when he was the most over guy in the company. I remember every kid in the crowd back then would be wearing those arm sleeves. Unfortunately his personal issues always seemed to get in the way of his career in getting to that next level. And that seems to be a recurring theme to this day.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Couldn't agree more. His post-2006 run in WWE was incredible. And he had all the tools in the world to become a Cena level top babyface. Especially by 2008/09 when he was the most over guy in the company. I remember every kid in the crowd back then would be wearing those arm sleeves. Unfortunately his personal issues always seemed to get in the way of his career in getting to that next level. And that seems to be a recurring theme to this day.

Yes that's been a big problem. Jeff needs to control his urges and not punish his body every week.
He looked too rusty on Dynamite which is understandable. I hope they are not rushing his return.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I wouldn't be as shocked. Just because England has a massive fanbase that has largely been starved of big PPV level events. This is one year where they are getting MITB and an AEW stadium show in the space of a couple of months. But when was the last time WWE did a major event here? I would have to think it was probably Rebellion back in '01 or something, right?

They should do PPVs every year in UK considering how big and loud a crowd they get there.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He gave it 3 stars from what I remember, which was baffling.

Think shaz is saying it was a 5 star match for everyone other than Meltzer.

 

[The_KING]

Think shaz is saying it was a 5 star match for everyone other than Meltzer.

It didn’t have any flips and kicks, hence why Melzer didn’t think it was 5 stars.

 

[The_KING]

Jeff Hardy needs to retire. His style of wrestling is very demanding on the body, and I fear that one day he is going to overdose and die prematurely.

 

[shaz619]

I wouldn't be as shocked. Just because England has a massive fanbase that has largely been starved of big PPV level events. This is one year where they are getting MITB and an AEW stadium show in the space of a couple of months. But when was the last time WWE did a major event here? I would have to think it was probably Rebellion back in '01 or something, right?

You could say to some extent, but WWE doesn’t have the names it use to under its roster and the product in general is a bit different to what it use to be. The fans have been starved but they don’t have as big an appetite and the economy is a shambles, Boxing and MMA will retain popularity for obvious reasons as will the footy. Wrestling is not a straightforward sell. But if they load up the line up with the big nostalgic names and with someone like Punk coming back to, they should appeal to the casual and lapsed fan to, should do some good numbers with that approach. I am curious to see how they will book a spectacle. Yeah maybe Rebellion or Insurrection.

Punk reportedly is willing to return and work with all parties, he has been reading some interesting wrestling books being a student of the game. I can’t say that sentiment will work both ways given how disrespectful the elite are towards the wrestling business.

But if all was well, these would be my top matches:

CM Punk vs Omega

MJF vs Mox vs Samoa Joe

Sting vs Daniel Bryan (If Sting loses, he retires)

Goldberg vs Jericho (Squash match)

Hardy Boys vs FTR

If Punk and Omega can’t work then I’d have Punk face MJF and Omega can work with someone else

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Feeling my faith in pro-wrestling slowly being restored...

Some of the rumors going around along with this of a "soft brand split" are absolutely hilarious though.

https://www.f4wonline.com/news/aew/...argeted-for-june-wants-to-work-with-the-elite

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You could say to some extent, but WWE doesn’t have the names it use to under its roster and the product in general is a bit different to what it use to be. The fans have been starved but they don’t have as big an appetite and the economy is a shambles, Boxing and MMA will retain popularity for obvious reasons as will the footy. Wrestling is not a straightforward sell. But if they load up the line up with the big nostalgic names and with someone like Punk coming back to, they should appeal to the casual and lapsed fan to, should do some good numbers with that approach. I am curious to see how they will book a spectacle. Yeah maybe Rebellion or Insurrection.

Punk reportedly is willing to return and work with all parties, he has been reading some interesting wrestling books being a student of the game. I can’t say that sentiment will work both ways given how disrespectful the elite are towards the wrestling business.

But if all was well, these would be my top matches:

CM Punk vs Omega

MJF vs Mox vs Samoa Joe

Sting vs Daniel Bryan (If Sting loses, he retires)

Goldberg vs Jericho (Squash match)

Hardy Boys vs FTR

If Punk and Omega can’t work then I’d have Punk face MJF and Omega can work with someone else

That's interesting. So if TK can pack 50k, it would be pretty incredible. Hopefully he doesn't inflate the numbers like WWE do every year at Mania.

I like this card with the exception of MJF v Mox v Joe. For one thing, I doubt Moxley will do another job to MJF. Secondly, this match would be tough to book because of the difference of styles. MJF needs to be in a big match, but it should be a singles.

Re: Punk. He seems to want to put this all behind him and turn controversy into cash. But people close to the Bucks keep bringing up 'what if the Elite don't want to work with Punk?'. They haven't said anything so I won't bury them but the fact that this is even up for debate sums up the sorry state of the wrestling business today. In the past, people have put their real-life hatred and animosity towards another person aside to make money. Even Jericho, despite everything Punk has said about him, and he has said about Punk is willing to meet him to hash thing out. But apparently its still a question for the Bucks.

 

[shaz619]

That's interesting. So if TK can pack 50k, it would be pretty incredible. Hopefully he doesn't inflate the numbers like WWE do every year at Mania.

I like this card with the exception of MJF v Mox v Joe. For one thing, I doubt Moxley will do another job to MJF. Secondly, this match would be tough to book because of the difference of styles. MJF needs to be in a big match, but it should be a singles.

Re: Punk. He seems to want to put this all behind him and turn controversy into cash. But people close to the Bucks keep bringing up 'what if the Elite don't want to work with Punk?'. They haven't said anything so I won't bury them but the fact that this is even up for debate sums up the sorry state of the wrestling business today. In the past, people have put their real-life hatred and animosity towards another person aside to make money. Even Jericho, despite everything Punk has said about him, and he has said about Punk is willing to meet him to hash thing out. But apparently its still a question for the Bucks.

If I was TK I would inflate the numbers as much as possible if I get a good crowd in without sounding too ridiculous, it will be great PR for AEW

I agree with you on that, I put that cold match together TK style because I didn’t know who else to challenge MJF with the other matches, I guess MJF v Joe could be pretty decent

Am surprised that Jericho is willing to meet in the middle, there’s always an ulterior motive behind his moves lol the bucks are a disgrace and maybe this rumoured brand split will be a god send for AEW and allowing stars like Punk, who actually matter, thrive, and make things better

I always thought Reigns v Okada is the biggest match in wrestling, but when Punk came back and had the run he did, Reigns v Punk became the biggest match, the two very best in the business, am not sure but PWI rated both no.1 and no.2, it’s staggering for Punk especially given the lay off, being able to reinvent himself again and producing some of the best baby face work you will see this century

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Feeling my faith in pro-wrestling slowly being restored...

Some of the rumors going around along with this of a "soft brand split" are absolutely hilarious though.

https://www.f4wonline.com/news/aew/...argeted-for-june-wants-to-work-with-the-elite

BAH GAWDD!!!!!! I think Punk may have hinted he could go anywhere else? he still has the wrestling itch. It would have been epic if they kept this under wraps until June but they probably wanted to leak this due to the stadium show in the UK

I am all for a brand split! one of the shows could be more wrestling focussed and coherent stories while the others can be the usual botch fest!

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] Part of me feels the WWE are only doing a major show here due to AEW’s plans and presence in the UK

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It didn’t have any flips and kicks, hence why Melzer didn’t think it was 5 stars.

Dave hates Hogan and Dwayne. And has been anti WWE since late 90s.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

You could say to some extent, but WWE doesn’t have the names it use to under its roster and the product in general is a bit different to what it use to be. The fans have been starved but they don’t have as big an appetite and the economy is a shambles, Boxing and MMA will retain popularity for obvious reasons as will the footy. Wrestling is not a straightforward sell. But if they load up the line up with the big nostalgic names and with someone like Punk coming back to, they should appeal to the casual and lapsed fan to, should do some good numbers with that approach. I am curious to see how they will book a spectacle. Yeah maybe Rebellion or Insurrection.

Punk reportedly is willing to return and work with all parties, he has been reading some interesting wrestling books being a student of the game. I can’t say that sentiment will work both ways given how disrespectful the elite are towards the wrestling business.

But if all was well, these would be my top matches:

CM Punk vs Omega

MJF vs Mox vs Samoa Joe

Sting vs Daniel Bryan (If Sting loses, he retires)

Goldberg vs Jericho (Squash match)

Hardy Boys vs FTR

If Punk and Omega can’t work then I’d have Punk face MJF and Omega can work with someone else

Aren't they building towards a Four Pillars Fatal 4 way match? MJF vs Guevara vs Darby vs Jungle Boy?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If I was TK I would inflate the numbers as much as possible if I get a good crowd in without sounding too ridiculous, it will be great PR for AEW

I agree with you on that, I put that cold match together TK style because I didn’t know who else to challenge MJF with the other matches, I guess MJF v Joe could be pretty decent

Am surprised that Jericho is willing to meet in the middle, there’s always an ulterior motive behind his moves lol the bucks are a disgrace and maybe this rumoured brand split will be a god send for AEW and allowing stars like Punk, who actually matter, thrive, and make things better

I always thought Reigns v Okada is the biggest match in wrestling, but when Punk came back and had the run he did, Reigns v Punk became the biggest match, the two very best in the business, am not sure but PWI rated both no.1 and no.2, it’s staggering for Punk especially given the lay off, being able to reinvent himself again and producing some of the best baby face work you will see this century

Someone pointed at twitter that Jericho said he's open to working with anyone if it's good for business and Jericho wittily replied there anyone EXCEPT. lol

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If I was TK I would inflate the numbers as much as possible if I get a good crowd in without sounding too ridiculous, it will be great PR for AEW

I agree with you on that, I put that cold match together TK style because I didn’t know who else to challenge MJF with the other matches, I guess MJF v Joe could be pretty decent

Am surprised that Jericho is willing to meet in the middle, there’s always an ulterior motive behind his moves lol the bucks are a disgrace and maybe this rumoured brand split will be a god send for AEW and allowing stars like Punk, who actually matter, thrive, and make things better

I always thought Reigns v Okada is the biggest match in wrestling, but when Punk came back and had the run he did, Reigns v Punk became the biggest match, the two very best in the business, am not sure but PWI rated both no.1 and no.2, it’s staggering for Punk especially given the lay off, being able to reinvent himself again and producing some of the best baby face work you will see this century

I know how adaptable okada is with respect to his style but I think Reigns is extremely good with making just very little changes to his style while facing a specific wrestler or character, I think it Okada vs Reigns would be a kicker (but won't happen while Vince is there). How Roman emphasized more on his trashtalk during the match against Sami with microphone detecting his voice added a lot to the match.

 

[shaz619]

I know how adaptable okada is with respect to his style but I think Reigns is extremely good with making just very little changes to his style while facing a specific wrestler or character, I think it Okada vs Reigns would be a kicker (but won't happen while Vince is there). How Roman emphasized more on his trashtalk during the match against Sami with microphone detecting his voice added a lot to the match.

Never say never, there are a lot of myths surrounding Vince which have been debunked. If something makes business sense to him, he will most likely put any other issue aside. He has enjoyed cordial relations with Japan having worked with various promotions there in the 70's and 80's, he also promoted the widely acclaimed wrestling summit in the Tokyo Dome, Bret famously wrestled Tiger Mask on the PPV, before a crowd of 50k+. Anyway, I don't think he will be as influential with creative, he has played his card and absolutely bodied Stephanie, Hunter and Nick, the folk who were rumoured to have outed him.

Both Okada and Reigns P4P are probably the two best in-ring performers in the world today in their prime. Okada's ring work is very similar to Shawn, who he idolised, so effortless and variable. Reigns has taken his character work to ATG territory and you never see him in a bad match, there were comparisons with the reign of terror but Hunter rarely had great matches outside the big names and only made a few people, if you look at the guys Reigns defended his title against, he had great outings with pretty much everyone and those who were regarded as upper mid-carders like Cesaro, you could argue they were gifted ring workers, but Reigns bought out the psychology in their matches and didn't exactly have the luxury of working with the likes of Shawn or Benoit every other day, nor did he hinder the momentum of his opponents.

 

[shaz619]

I very much look forward to Lesnar vs Cody, should be one hell of a match boys

 

[KingKhanWC]

I very much look forward to Lesnar vs Cody, should be one hell of a match boys

I watched Lesner v Omas because of his UFC past, to see how he's doing. I cant believe Brock managed to lift him over his head. Still strong at his age!

Omas is huge! Is Andre the Giant still the biggest WWE fighter in history or is there another one now?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I watched Lesner v Omas because of his UFC past, to see how he's doing. I cant believe Brock managed to lift him over his head. Still strong at his age!

Omas is huge! Is Andre the Giant still the biggest WWE fighter in history or is there another one now?

giant gonzalez was the tallest as far as i know with a billed height of 8ft.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I very much look forward to Lesnar vs Cody, should be one hell of a match boys

Yes should be. I'd like Lesnar to change his look now. His current look is way too cool for a heel. There's a chance it might be a mini heel turn for Lesnar and may turn face after a Cody feud.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Never say never, there are a lot of myths surrounding Vince which have been debunked. If something makes business sense to him, he will most likely put any other issue aside. He has enjoyed cordial relations with Japan having worked with various promotions there in the 70's and 80's, he also promoted the widely acclaimed wrestling summit in the Tokyo Dome, Bret famously wrestled Tiger Mask on the PPV, before a crowd of 50k+. Anyway, I don't think he will be as influential with creative, he has played his card and absolutely bodied Stephanie, Hunter and Nick, the folk who were rumoured to have outed him.

Both Okada and Reigns P4P are probably the two best in-ring performers in the world today in their prime. Okada's ring work is very similar to Shawn, who he idolised, so effortless and variable. Reigns has taken his character work to ATG territory and you never see him in a bad match, there were comparisons with the reign of terror but Hunter rarely had great matches outside the big names and only made a few people, if you look at the guys Reigns defended his title against, he had great outings with pretty much everyone and those who were regarded as upper mid-carders like Cesaro, you could argue they were gifted ring workers, but Reigns bought out the psychology in their matches and didn't exactly have the luxury of working with the likes of Shawn or Benoit every other day, nor did he hinder the momentum of his opponents.

Vince now actually only cares about what makes the most money and how much his company benefits from it.

Yes defo, Roman's character work has been great. Although I am still salty about that weird finish against Demor Balor when the top rope got cut off and Roman just won.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Think Judgement Day has properly gotten over now. They get huge heat from crowd. Rhea is super over. Dom is annoyingly funny. Expecting Priest to get a push soon.

 

[shaz619]

I watched Lesner v Omas because of his UFC past, to see how he's doing. I cant believe Brock managed to lift him over his head. Still strong at his age!

Omas is huge! Is Andre the Giant still the biggest WWE fighter in history or is there another one now?

That match was a spectacle! I knew it would appeal to both old and new fans, that was the biggest question everyone had, I was blown away, Lesnar is a freak of nature, the last larger than life character in wrestling, he has been able to do this so long due to his ring smarts and character work, he knows how to take bumps and focus more on story then insane stunts. Andre might be one of the heaviest, for height a guy called Giant Gonzales is the tallest, then Andre and in 3rd Omos who I forget is pretty agile all things considered.

Lesnar brings so much legitimacy to wrestling, it’s crazy he and Kurt Angle were both in their primes at the same time. Lesnar achieved so much in a short amount of time in the UFC despite his freestyle wrestling inactivity for many years and age, I wonder how’d he do had he started out in MMA or even someone like a Kurt Angle given his mental toughness and insane resilience, there were rumours Dana wanted to sign him in the late 2000’s, Kurt played it up and ended up playing Koba in Warrior lol he said he’d have considered it in his early days but had too many neck surgeries and injuries by that point

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Think Judgement Day has properly gotten over now. They get huge heat from crowd. Rhea is super over. Dom is annoyingly funny. Expecting Priest to get a push soon.

I agree they are coming together nicely like a cohesive unit despite their distinct personalities and I love Rhea with them, she helps elevate them in her own right. I’d like to see Priest a lot more dominant, especially for a guy his size and he is super gifted

 

[KingKhanWC]

That match was a spectacle! I knew it would appeal to both old and new fans, that was the biggest question everyone had, I was blown away, Lesnar is a freak of nature, the last larger than life character in wrestling, he has been able to do this so long due to his ring smarts and character work, he knows how to take bumps and focus more on story then insane stunts. Andre might be one of the heaviest, for height a guy called Giant Gonzales is the tallest, then Andre and in 3rd Omos who I forget is pretty agile all things considered.

Lesnar brings so much legitimacy to wrestling, it’s crazy he and Kurt Angle were both in their primes at the same time. Lesnar achieved so much in a short amount of time in the UFC despite his freestyle wrestling inactivity for many years and age, I wonder how’d he do had he started out in MMA or even someone like a Kurt Angle given his mental toughness and insane resilience, there were rumours Dana wanted to sign him in the late 2000’s, Kurt played it up and ended up playing Koba in Warrior lol he said he’d have considered it in his early days but had too many neck surgeries and injuries by that point

Yep, to pick up a much taller chap like he did was awesome!

Ive had a look at GG but imo Andre the Giant was the real giant as he had the width too but GG is a freak of nature.

Now UFC and WWE have the same owners, do you feel more WWE guys will come over to the UFC. Ie surely Omas can hit very very had, difficult to be taken down due to his height would be effective with his kicks.

If you could pick top 3 WWE guys to make into the UFC, who would you pick?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yep, to pick up a much taller chap like he did was awesome!

Ive had a look at GG but imo Andre the Giant was the real giant as he had the width too but GG is a freak of nature.

Now UFC and WWE have the same owners, do you feel more WWE guys will come over to the UFC. Ie surely Omas can hit very very had, difficult to be taken down due to his height would be effective with his kicks.

If you could pick top 3 WWE guys to make into the UFC, who would you pick?

Omos' height was probably due to a growth hormone tumor that was resected in the past. The thing about growth hormone tumor is that even though it grows the stature and bones of the body, it also weakens them. So even if Omos is extremely tall with a good build, his bones aren't going to be that strong which is needed to sustain that body. There is another problem of lack of flexibility and the long bone being relatively brittle in giants.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I agree they are coming together nicely like a cohesive unit despite their distinct personalities and I love Rhea with them, she helps elevate them in her own right. I’d like to see Priest a lot more dominant, especially for a guy his size and he is super gifted

I think Priest is amongst the best talent to come from NXT. Many don't realize how agile he is for his size and can move quicker than many "average build" wrestlers. He has a good arsenal of moves too. Can definitely talk. In ring psychology is where he needs to work. Think Chuck Norris has mentored him in the past or something.

 

[shaz619]

Yep, to pick up a much taller chap like he did was awesome!

Ive had a look at GG but imo Andre the Giant was the real giant as he had the width too but GG is a freak of nature.

Now UFC and WWE have the same owners, do you feel more WWE guys will come over to the UFC. Ie surely Omas can hit very very had, difficult to be taken down due to his height would be effective with his kicks.

If you could pick top 3 WWE guys to make into the UFC, who would you pick?

I agree there will never be another Andre, a truly fascinating man, his life was extraordinary, outside the spotlight he was struggling, because his body couldn’t handle his increasing growth and it was painful. Some interesting docs out there on the big fella

Am not sure if they will ever allow it but I can see maybe down the line if they did some sort of joint event, that would be interesting. Omos would do monster numbers if he were to fight the UFC Heavyweight Champion lol

That’s a good question, there are actually quiet a few candidates, my top 3:

1. Matt Riddle, the obvious one, he has unfinished business in MMA/UFC, he had potential but kept getting high and and then turned that into his gimmick in the WWE LOL his ground work is excellent, decent wrestler and a black belt in jiu jitsu, good kick boxing ability to

2. Bobby Lashley, he is a little old now and has fought quiet a bit in Bellator but would be interested to see him in the UFC, very successful on the US national free style wrestling scene in the early 2000’s and was expected to make the 2004 Olympics but got injured being caught in the cross fire of a bank robbery

3. Chad Gable, a former Olympian having competed in free style, very athletic and gifted on the matt

Other honourable mentions:

Baron Corbin, he won golden gloves and must have pretty good striking capability, there’s Shelton Benjamin and Dolph Ziggler with amateur wrestling experience, Shinsuke Nakamura has some MMA experience to.

Technically Ronda Rousey is now a WWE superstar and I’d love to see her back in the UFC, I think she could have had a better return had she sort a fight psychologist and built her confidence back up against some lower ranked fighters

If you were to ask who I’d pick who has no combat experience altogether, I’d probably go with Omos just for the shear spectacle and also Becky Lynch who has trained at SBG Ireland, the coach there said she could do well in MMA. A left field choice would be Seth Rollins due to his athleticism.

 

[shaz619]

I think Priest is amongst the best talent to come from NXT. Many don't realize how agile he is for his size and can move quicker than many "average build" wrestlers. He has a good arsenal of moves too. Can definitely talk. In ring psychology is where he needs to work. Think Chuck Norris has mentored him in the past or something.

He is not far removed from Taker’s size, they need to have him be a dominant big guy first and then he can use the spots, more psychology is needed and a renewed focus in that area

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle on RVD’s fighting ability:

https://youtu.be/sb11kWKF57Q

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree there will never be another Andre, a truly fascinating man, his life was extraordinary, outside the spotlight he was struggling, because his body couldn’t handle his increasing growth and it was painful. Some interesting docs out there on the big fella

Am not sure if they will ever allow it but I can see maybe down the line if they did some sort of joint event, that would be interesting. Omos would do monster numbers if he were to fight the UFC Heavyweight Champion lol

That’s a good question, there are actually quiet a few candidates, my top 3:

1. Matt Riddle, the obvious one, he has unfinished business in MMA/UFC, he had potential but kept getting high and and then turned that into his gimmick in the WWE LOL his ground work is excellent, decent wrestler and a black belt in jiu jitsu, good kick boxing ability to

2. Bobby Lashley, he is a little old now and has fought quiet a bit in Bellator but would be interested to see him in the UFC, very successful on the US national free style wrestling scene in the early 2000’s and was expected to make the 2004 Olympics but got injured being caught in the cross fire of a bank robbery

3. Chad Gable, a former Olympian having competed in free style, very athletic and gifted on the matt

Other honourable mentions:

Baron Corbin, he won golden gloves and must have pretty good striking capability, there’s Shelton Benjamin and Dolph Ziggler with amateur wrestling experience, Shinsuke Nakamura has some MMA experience to.

Technically Ronda Rousey is now a WWE superstar and I’d love to see her back in the UFC, I think she could have had a better return had she sort a fight psychologist and built her confidence back up against some lower ranked fighters

If you were to ask who I’d pick who has no combat experience altogether, I’d probably go with Omos just for the shear spectacle and also Becky Lynch who has trained at SBG Ireland, the coach there said she could do well in MMA. A left field choice would be Seth Rollins due to his athleticism.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle on RVD’s fighting ability:

https://youtu.be/sb11kWKF57Q

Thanks bro! Ill check these fellas out and give you my view soon

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I agree there will never be another Andre, a truly fascinating man, his life was extraordinary, outside the spotlight he was struggling, because his body couldn’t handle his increasing growth and it was painful. Some interesting docs out there on the big fella

Am not sure if they will ever allow it but I can see maybe down the line if they did some sort of joint event, that would be interesting. Omos would do monster numbers if he were to fight the UFC Heavyweight Champion lol

That’s a good question, there are actually quiet a few candidates, my top 3:

1. Matt Riddle, the obvious one, he has unfinished business in MMA/UFC, he had potential but kept getting high and and then turned that into his gimmick in the WWE LOL his ground work is excellent, decent wrestler and a black belt in jiu jitsu, good kick boxing ability to

2. Bobby Lashley, he is a little old now and has fought quiet a bit in Bellator but would be interested to see him in the UFC, very successful on the US national free style wrestling scene in the early 2000’s and was expected to make the 2004 Olympics but got injured being caught in the cross fire of a bank robbery

3. Chad Gable, a former Olympian having competed in free style, very athletic and gifted on the matt

Other honourable mentions:

Baron Corbin, he won golden gloves and must have pretty good striking capability, there’s Shelton Benjamin and Dolph Ziggler with amateur wrestling experience, Shinsuke Nakamura has some MMA experience to.

Technically Ronda Rousey is now a WWE superstar and I’d love to see her back in the UFC, I think she could have had a better return had she sort a fight psychologist and built her confidence back up against some lower ranked fighters

If you were to ask who I’d pick who has no combat experience altogether, I’d probably go with Omos just for the shear spectacle and also Becky Lynch who has trained at SBG Ireland, the coach there said she could do well in MMA. A left field choice would be Seth Rollins due to his athleticism.

Finn may be a bit old now but he's also a black belt in submission based wrestling.
The Creed brothers in NXT, Rick Boogs also have amateur background in wrestling.
We can't forget Gable Steveson as well who for some reason hasn't debuted yet.
Walter also seems like a tough cookie.
Pete Dunne maybe.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If I was TK I would inflate the numbers as much as possible if I get a good crowd in without sounding too ridiculous, it will be great PR for AEW

I agree with you on that, I put that cold match together TK style because I didn’t know who else to challenge MJF with the other matches, I guess MJF v Joe could be pretty decent

Am surprised that Jericho is willing to meet in the middle, there’s always an ulterior motive behind his moves lol the bucks are a disgrace and maybe this rumoured brand split will be a god send for AEW and allowing stars like Punk, who actually matter, thrive, and make things better

I always thought Reigns v Okada is the biggest match in wrestling, but when Punk came back and had the run he did, Reigns v Punk became the biggest match, the two very best in the business, am not sure but PWI rated both no.1 and no.2, it’s staggering for Punk especially given the lay off, being able to reinvent himself again and producing some of the best baby face work you will see this century

Thing about inflating numbers is that when you go too far people know you're lying and that just makes you look stupid and desperate. Whenever WWE do those announcements on their big stadium PPVs be it Mania or SummerSlam, its always accompanied by a number of people on the internet scoffing and pointing out that they inflated the numbers by 20k or so. 5-10k, you can still get away with. But anything more than that is a bit much. Let's see what AEW end up with should be interesting.

Well Jericho for all his faults is not a petulant child. If anything, he is a very smart guy. He understands that this is an opportunity to blur the lines between what is real and what's not. And as we all know, that is where pro-wrestling works best. More than anything, he knows that he will be involved in the hottest feud in wrestling that everyone will be interested in. Which will make him even more relevant. So this satisifies his ego as well. And honestly, if he is really smart, he will have as less involvement of his JAS stooges as possible in this feud. So that the stuff remains serious and more about Punk v Jericho than Punk v Jericho & his stooges.

Could be an incredible feud if they keep things serious, which I feel they will because Punk and Jericho worked really well together in that feud they had in WWE. The added real-life animosity this time could make it something special.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

BAH GAWDD!!!!!! I think Punk may have hinted he could go anywhere else? he still has the wrestling itch. It would have been epic if they kept this under wraps until June but they probably wanted to leak this due to the stadium show in the UK

I am all for a brand split! one of the shows could be more wrestling focussed and coherent stories while the others can be the usual botch fest!

In theory the brand-split sounds like an amazing idea. In practice, not so much. I honestly don't know how many viewers they will be able to draw on a Saturday Night. That's a very tough day and timeslot to draw major viewers on. The numbers on Rampage are a joke. And if anything, they need a name like Punk to bring Dynamite's numbers up which are struggling to hit 900,000 on most weeks. The idea that The Bucks and their friends will have the flagship show is laughable to me. Because they do not have the drawing power of Punk to have that show revolve around them. And we have seen numerous times that viewers drops by the thousands when of their segments comes on.

If AEW is really interested in making their business grow, they need a name like Punk on Dynamite. If they wanna stay in the same place, appealing to the same small hardcore fanbase and a small subset of casuals, then they should definitely do the brand split and put all these guys on a Saturday show that btw will be airing at 6 pm in the US.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Someone pointed at twitter that Jericho said he's open to working with anyone if it's good for business and Jericho wittily replied there anyone EXCEPT. lol

Jericho's working. I'm almost certain he will work a program with Punk. Otherwise he would have never agreed to a meeting.

During an interview recently, he was asked about Punk and he said he's not on Punk's Christmas card list but then he wasn't on Eric Bischoff or Scott Hall's list either. He further noted "you don't have to be friends to co-exist." Jericho is not from the current generation of wrestlers like The Bucks who grew up on the indies and never knew what its like to work in a major promotion or draw a major gate or PPV buys. He doesn't let a grudge get in the way of a pay window.

The Bucks who grew up playing with their friends on the indies never understood the value of this because to them wrestling is an "art" where they get to "perform" and be praised by their little group of mark fans while getting golden stars from Meltzer. They could care less about drawing money, because they never drew a dime in their lives.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Aren't they building towards a Four Pillars Fatal 4 way match? MJF vs Guevara vs Darby vs Jungle Boy?

I think its going to be one of these guys vs. MJF at the next PPV: Double Or Nothing. For me, it has to be Darby Allin. Its not even a question. And I think that might be the direction that they are going in. Although I haven't actually seen the latest episode of Dynamite.

Darby and MJF had one of the greatest straight-up pro-wrestling matches I have ever seen at Full Gear 2021. They MUST run that match back for the World title this time, in the main-event of their next PPV.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I very much look forward to Lesnar vs Cody, should be one hell of a match boys

I think they've done an awesome job of building this match. Cody's promo was fantastic. And Brock coming out in the black overcoat looking like the villainous gunslinger from an old Western, was a brilliant subtle touch. Now that's character development.

 

[shaz619]

I think they've done an awesome job of building this match. Cody's promo was fantastic. And Brock coming out in the black overcoat looking like the villainous gunslinger from an old Western, was a brilliant subtle touch. Now that's character development.

When he beat Taker at WM 30, ending the streak wasn’t enough, he had to take Taker’s gear to

It’s the match we never knew we wanted until it was made, for Cody’s baby face development this is brilliant and I think the two styles will mesh nicely, it’s going to be a great atmosphere in Puerto Rico, even without much of a build am game for the match, it sells itself

 

[shaz619]

Thing about inflating numbers is that when you go too far people know you're lying and that just makes you look stupid and desperate. Whenever WWE do those announcements on their big stadium PPVs be it Mania or SummerSlam, its always accompanied by a number of people on the internet scoffing and pointing out that they inflated the numbers by 20k or so. 5-10k, you can still get away with. But anything more than that is a bit much. Let's see what AEW end up with should be interesting.

Well Jericho for all his faults is not a petulant child. If anything, he is a very smart guy. He understands that this is an opportunity to blur the lines between what is real and what's not. And as we all know, that is where pro-wrestling works best. More than anything, he knows that he will be involved in the hottest feud in wrestling that everyone will be interested in. Which will make him even more relevant. So this satisifies his ego as well. And honestly, if he is really smart, he will have as less involvement of his JAS stooges as possible in this feud. So that the stuff remains serious and more about Punk v Jericho than Punk v Jericho & his stooges.

Could be an incredible feud if they keep things serious, which I feel they will because Punk and Jericho worked really well together in that feud they had in WWE. The added real-life animosity this time could make it something special.

Jericho is a sly dawg but at least he isn’t stupid enough to not cash in on a golden chance to make a lot of money and get back in the main event picture. The feud will be great but I don’t know about the match, it would need to be a No DQ or something like that

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

When he beat Taker at WM 30, ending the streak wasn’t enough, he had to take Taker’s gear to

It’s the match we never knew we wanted until it was made, for Cody’s baby face development this is brilliant and I think the two styles will mesh nicely, it’s going to be a great atmosphere in Puerto Rico, even without much of a build am game for the match, it sells itself

No doubt. Puerto Rico used to one of the most blood-thirsty territories back in the day. Some of the stories I've heard of fans going after the heels are insane. It's still has a passionate fanbase. I'm desperately hoping that Brock goes into business for himself again and busts Cody open the hard way or something. This is the match and the place where that kinda feels necessary.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Jericho is a sly dawg but at least he isn’t stupid enough to not cash in on a golden chance to make a lot of money and get back in the main event picture. The feud will be great but I don’t know about the match, it would need to be a No DQ or something like that

Yeah I dunno about the match either. Jericho is at the stage of his career where he has to be carried in his matches. Which probably explains why he always wants to work with a young guy that has momentum. I think based on the story that's already there and the fact that neither guy is at their peak from an in-ring stand-point anymore, it would have to be No DQ. That said, I wouldn't write this match off either. Both Punk and Jericho are incredible workers. Especially Punk. They can think about wrestling logically and put together a match that makes sense. Can't wait for June.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] I dunno how much you have been keeping up with AEW, but I'm really digging this MJF/Four Pillars storyline. In particular Darby v MJF. And Cornette made a really great point on his podcast the other day after Darby's promo last week that I really agreed with.

He basically said that MJF v Darby is the updated version of Flair v Dusty. Where you have one guy that's the rich p*ick, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and would do anything to win. While the other is the average joe that everyone can relate to. Dusty ofc could have worked in any era because people can always relate to a guy like that feels authentic and real and is a babyface in the truest sense. But Darby fits into that Dusty role really well for this modern audience. I can see people who watch this show that were perhaps also bullied in school, or were social outcasts or had mental health issues and couldn't talk about them relating to Darby.

The reason I say all this is this promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yut96GgVSg

Which I think may be Darby's best promo in AEW so far. And which is also why I am hoping that TK is smart enough to book MJF v Darby for the main-event of Double Or Nothing. And not MJF v Jungle Boy or Sammy.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I get Triple H is a big NWA and Flair mark, but this new World title is an ugly monstrosity. Eventhough they tried to retain most of the design of the Big Gold belt, the WWE logo in the middle just ruins it. Also, what would be the point of this belt, if the guy with the other world championship is called the 'Undisputed Champion'?

The Big Gold belt is probably my favorite belt of all-time. Which is why this is so hard to stomach.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] I dunno how much you have been keeping up with AEW, but I'm really digging this MJF/Four Pillars storyline. In particular Darby v MJF. And Cornette made a really great point on his podcast the other day after Darby's promo last week that I really agreed with.

He basically said that MJF v Darby is the updated version of Flair v Dusty. Where you have one guy that's the rich p*ick, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and would do anything to win. While the other is the average joe that everyone can relate to. Dusty ofc could have worked in any era because people can always relate to a guy like that feels authentic and real and is a babyface in the truest sense. But Darby fits into that Dusty role really well for this modern audience. I can see people who watch this show that were perhaps also bullied in school, or were social outcasts or had mental health issues and couldn't talk about them relating to Darby.

The reason I say all this is this promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yut96GgVSg

Which I think may be Darby's best promo in AEW so far. And which is also why I am hoping that TK is smart enough to book MJF v Darby for the main-event of Double Or Nothing. And not MJF v Jungle Boy or Sammy.

I haven’t followed it as much if am honest but if you ignore Darby’s look, he is pretty talented and understands the concept of a wrestling match / fighting from underneath, it should be a great encounter, the two have good chemistry and Darby meshes well with the classic pro wrestling style

 

[shaz619]

I get Triple H is a big NWA and Flair mark, but this new World title is an ugly monstrosity. Eventhough they tried to retain most of the design of the Big Gold belt, the WWE logo in the middle just ruins it. Also, what would be the point of this belt, if the guy with the other world championship is called the 'Undisputed Champion'?

The Big Gold belt is probably my favorite belt of all-time. Which is why this is so hard to stomach.

It does seem silly to introduce a third title when the other two exist. This is their way of saying, Reigns is not going to lose the titles anytime soon, nor are we going to actually ‘unify’ the titles yet until all records are broken, so here is an interim world championship. Maybe once the WWE and Universal titles are officially unified, this championship will hold more weight. I hope it continues the lineage of the WHC though.

I agree I don’t like the logo in it at all, I don’t know why the fans have no input with stuff like this. Maybe it will grow on me I don’t know.

If Cody does go over, perhaps the plan will be a champion v champion match against Reigns with all three belts on the line

 

[shaz619]

Three belt Reigns incoming LOL

 

[shaz619]

The more I look at it, it’s not too bad, other than the WHC, the trim is similar to other NWA titles. Lets see how it will look the more we see it on TV. The logo is big but thankfully not covering the whole belt, ideally it should have been similar in size to the one on the IC title.

But anyway, I think it appears better than the dull titles which Reigns is currently holding. Lets see.

 

[shaz619]

CM Punk was backstage on RAW, I bet he did this so he can use it in a future angle lol

 

[The_KING]

I don’t mind the new world heavyweight belt. I think it looks fine but I do wish they brought back the original big gold belt.

I do wish they would stop unifying the belts. Every few years they unify the belts, only to then un-unify them a few months later. It serves no purpose and the angle of unification has run its course.

 

[The_KING]

CM Punk was backstage on RAW, I bet he did this so he can use it in a future angle lol

Apparently he met with Triple H and other talent but Vinnie Mac told him to leave.

 

[shaz619]

I don’t mind the new world heavyweight belt. I think it looks fine but I do wish they brought back the original big gold belt.

I do wish they would stop unifying the belts. Every few years they unify the belts, only to then un-unify them a few months later. It serves no purpose and the angle of unification has run its course.

We wont ever go back go that, they need that logo on it when they send it to the Mumbai Indians.

But a middle ground should have been possible, see the IC title which I like.

It might grow on me though.

Agree, logic would tell me maybe this is the plan because Reigns will hold his belts for as long as possible and they need a touring champion. Far from ideal. But then again, it wouldn’t shock me if he won this belt to LOL just for the meltdown on twitter it would be worth it )

 

[shaz619]

Apparently he met with Triple H and other talent but Vinnie Mac told him to leave.

This material will be like gold for his return in AEW.

Whatever people want to say about Punk, WWE have been 10x more petty. With age and maturity, he has wanted to let bygones be bygones / even worked with them through Fox, but they are so petty man.

It seems like Punk and Hunter have communicated here and there over the years since that incident but don’t know what about

 

[The_KING]

This material will be like gold for his return in AEW.

Whatever people want to say about Punk, WWE have been 10x more petty. With age and maturity, he has wanted to let bygones be bygones / even worked with them through Fox, but they are so petty man.

It seems like Punk and Hunter have communicated here and there over the years since that incident but don’t know what about

I might start to watch wwe with more regularity if Punk returns. I love to see Punk vs Reigns for the title.

 

[shaz619]

I might start to watch wwe with more regularity if Punk returns. I love to see Punk vs Reigns for the title.

That would be the biggest match in wrestling and easily feud of the year. I don’t think he will be back anytime soon though

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I get Triple H is a big NWA and Flair mark, but this new World title is an ugly monstrosity. Eventhough they tried to retain most of the design of the Big Gold belt, the WWE logo in the middle just ruins it. Also, what would be the point of this belt, if the guy with the other world championship is called the 'Undisputed Champion'?

The Big Gold belt is probably my favorite belt of all-time. Which is why this is so hard to stomach.

My fav is the 1998-2001 belt followed by the big gold and then the eagle one.

Feel like they need a touring champion. It is set to be presented as the 2nd belt (a bit inferior to the Undisputed IMO)

This just makes Reigns losing the titles (whenever it happens) a little less important IMO.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I haven’t followed it as much if am honest but if you ignore Darby’s look, he is pretty talented and understands the concept of a wrestling match / fighting from underneath, it should be a great encounter, the two have good chemistry and Darby meshes well with the classic pro wrestling style

Darby is a nut. But a damn good worker. But seriously the denim shorts over tights make him look like a drag queen. Better to rid of those girly tights. Denim shorts alone would be fine.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don’t mind the new world heavyweight belt. I think it looks fine but I do wish they brought back the original big gold belt.

I do wish they would stop unifying the belts. Every few years they unify the belts, only to then un-unify them a few months later. It serves no purpose and the angle of unification has run its course.

Unification is stupid especially when you have it on a guy who has a part time contract

 

[BunnyRabbit]

This material will be like gold for his return in AEW.

Whatever people want to say about Punk, WWE have been 10x more petty. With age and maturity, he has wanted to let bygones be bygones / even worked with them through Fox, but they are so petty man.

It seems like Punk and Hunter have communicated here and there over the years since that incident but don’t know what about

Told you last year, it's Vince who has a problem with Punk not Trips. Vince consider him not reliable to do business with.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

That would be the biggest match in wrestling and easily feud of the year. I don’t think he will be back anytime soon though

The promo wars would be amazing.

 

[The_KING]

Told you last year, it's Vince who has a problem with Punk not Trips. Vince consider him not reliable to do business with.

Vince is the definition of the word petty. Pathetic individual

 

[The_KING]

Unification is stupid especially when you have it on a guy who has a part time contract

It was fun back in 2001, when they did it for the first time. Now it just doesn’t mean anything and serves zero purpose.

 

[shaz619]

Told you last year, it's Vince who has a problem with Punk not Trips. Vince consider him not reliable to do business with.

Vince is the definition of the word petty. Pathetic individual

Vince could be a front for Hunter, who sent Punk his notice on his wedding day.

You have to look at all the guys Vince has done business with despite deeper, personal issues. If there is money to be made, he may be willing to put things aside. Why would he not do so even when the network was interested in Punk?

When it came to Punk’s push, Vince was always game, he likes the fact that Punk had attitude and the balls to make demands / back himself to be the no.1 guy in the company, even though Hunter attempted to sabotage that on multiple occasions, even going as far as wanting 2K to put Sheamus on the cover of WWE 13.

You look at Triple H more recently on TV, he seemed like wanting to put himself over rather than the new world title, at heart he will always be a wrestler and at his core, a politicking one. Personal grudges and pettiness are more limited to a pro rasler opposed to a businessman / majority share holder at one point of a billion dollar company

 

[shaz619]

Told you last year, it's Vince who has a problem with Punk not Trips. Vince consider him not reliable to do business with.

It was fun back in 2001, when they did it for the first time. Now it just doesn’t mean anything and serves zero purpose.

It could have with the end game of Reigns loss meaning something.

But even with this new title, if Reigns is anything to go by, it’s the man who makes the title, not the title which makes the man; WOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!

It’s a great opportunity for whoever is given the strap

 

[The_KING]

It could have with the end game of Reigns loss meaning something.

But even with this new title, if Reigns is anything to go by, it’s the man who makes the title, not the title which makes the man; WOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo!

It’s a great opportunity for whoever is given the strap

I personally don’t have an issue with Reigns holding the title for as long as he has. I think he is the best thing about WWE right now.

Thank the Lord they turned him heel. It allowed him to truly shine and be himself. Everyone feared that he would be Cena 2.0 but thankfully, that didn’t turn out to be the case.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It was fun back in 2001, when they did it for the first time. Now it just doesn’t mean anything and serves zero purpose.

Now we are grown ups is one reason I guess. The other is wrestlers working work time was unheard of back then.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Vince could be a front for Hunter, who sent Punk his notice on his wedding day.

You have to look at all the guys Vince has done business with despite deeper, personal issues. If there is money to be made, he may be willing to put things aside. Why would he not do so even when the network was interested in Punk?

When it came to Punk’s push, Vince was always game, he likes the fact that Punk had attitude and the balls to make demands / back himself to be the no.1 guy in the company, even though Hunter attempted to sabotage that on multiple occasions, even going as far as wanting 2K to put Sheamus on the cover of WWE 13.

You look at Triple H more recently on TV, he seemed like wanting to put himself over rather than the new world title, at heart he will always be a wrestler and at his core, a politicking one. Personal grudges and pettiness are more limited to a pro rasler opposed to a businessman / majority share holder at one point of a billion dollar company

Think Vince probably doesn't see him as a draw. I doubt Vince knew it was Punk's wedding. Vince lives in his own world.