The Wrestling Discussion Thread

Think Vince probably doesn't see him as a draw. I doubt Vince knew it was Punk's wedding. Vince lives in his own world.

Hunter would have the time on his hands to find out that detail. And I highly doubt Vince legitimately believes that given the run he had and how successful he was, and if there was a doubt he has been a big financial success for AEW and a major draw for them, he has more value now then he ever did in his first run, WWE are petty for not seeing it that way due to grudges.

Apparently though, Punk wanted to bury the hatchet with Hunter in Chicago
 
Hunter would have the time on his hands to find out that detail. And I highly doubt Vince legitimately believes that given the run he had and how successful he was, and if there was a doubt he has been a big financial success for AEW and a major draw for them, he has more value now then he ever did in his first run, WWE are petty for not seeing it that way due to grudges.

Apparently though, Punk wanted to bury the hatchet with Hunter in Chicago

Vince probably hates him cause he was one guy he was asked about in front of cameras on Stone Cold's podcast. Otherwise he has done far worse to other guys and hasn't ever been asked about it in front of the world. Only Bret was one who humiliated Vince in front of the world (Vince had it coming though) and Vince somehow got over it and rebuilt the bridge. But then Bret was someone Vince genuinely liked.
 
Vince probably hates him cause he was one guy he was asked about in front of cameras on Stone Cold's podcast. Otherwise he has done far worse to other guys and hasn't ever been asked about it in front of the world. Only Bret was one who humiliated Vince in front of the world (Vince had it coming though) and Vince somehow got over it and rebuilt the bridge. But then Bret was someone Vince genuinely liked.

Didn't Vince also bury the hatchet with Warrior and Savage before they died?
 
Didn't Vince also bury the hatchet with Warrior and Savage before they died?

With Warrior yes but not Randy, there’s every chance they would have, had he not passed, but that’s life, you wonder if beefing so long is worth it.

Savage was very close with Vince and his family, so close, rumours started about him having an affair with Stephanie. But more then that, Randy, a guy who Vince loved, jumped ship to WCW and took his huge multi million dollar Slim Jim’s sponsorship deal with him. WCW paid some big bucks but Randy’s deal paid itself, because of the sponsorship deal he had. Additionally Roddy Piper once said that Randy slapped Vince in public, but we don’t know why or if that’s true.
 
Vince probably hates him cause he was one guy he was asked about in front of cameras on Stone Cold's podcast. Otherwise he has done far worse to other guys and hasn't ever been asked about it in front of the world. Only Bret was one who humiliated Vince in front of the world (Vince had it coming though) and Vince somehow got over it and rebuilt the bridge. But then Bret was someone Vince genuinely liked.

Vince publicly said he’d work with him to though and had enough respect for him to put him over the way he did. Punk is unlikeable but he made Vince big bucks and never did anything compared to other talent he had to deal with, I don’t know what that one thing Punk did which meant he was in the bad books for good. This is why I think it’s Triple H’s call, who is more influential then ever, he even used Vince as an excuse to turn Punk away when he was making amends
 
Enjoy Edge while you can boys, for his age his performances are staggering and he wont be around long, this run has been taken for granted big time
 
Who should win the world title?

I think it should be a big name first. Either of the following similar to Shawn:

Edge
Orton
AJ Styles
Lesnar

Two of these may be injured, would be good to build a story around Edge winning it perhaps.

Seth is not a bad option either, he could be the favourite perhaps.

But am glad this is in Saudi because will get to see the event live here in the UK at non zero dark thirty hours
 
Who should be Edge’s final opponent ?

For me I think it has to be Christian but it’s not possible in the WWE

If not Christian, I think Orton would make a lot of sense or maybe even Lesnar
 
Who should win the world title?

I think it should be a big name first. Either of the following similar to Shawn:

Edge
Orton
AJ Styles
Lesnar

Two of these may be injured, would be good to build a story around Edge winning it perhaps.

Seth is not a bad option either, he could be the favourite perhaps.

But am glad this is in Saudi because will get to see the event live here in the UK at non zero dark thirty hours

As long as it isn’t Orton, I am okay

I would like it to be Edge, given his history with word heavyweight title.
 
As long as it isn’t Orton, I am okay

I would like it to be Edge, given his history with word heavyweight title.

Edge winning back the title he never lost is an emotionally compelling narrative and story to tell, I hope the Saudi Prince is a fan of his :))
 
Who should be Edge’s final opponent ?

For me I think it has to be Christian but it’s not possible in the WWE

If not Christian, I think Orton would make a lot of sense or maybe even Lesnar

Matt Hardy with Lita as the guest referee 😂
 
Who should win the world title?

I think it should be a big name first. Either of the following similar to Shawn:

Edge
Orton
AJ Styles
Lesnar

Two of these may be injured, would be good to build a story around Edge winning it perhaps.

Seth is not a bad option either, he could be the favourite perhaps.

But am glad this is in Saudi because will get to see the event live here in the UK at non zero dark thirty hours

Seth and Edge are the favorites I think. Drew is a possibility as well. Solo would have been a contender (the only one in the bloodline without a belt, him winning would give Roman more reason to berate the Usos) if he weren't too green. They'd probably be looking towards a guy who can draw the crowds for the live events and weekly tv.

Considering it's in Saudia, Mansoor would get a roaring reaction if he ends up winning only to lose it the next night on Raw or SD.

And we can't rule out Goldberg, can we?
 
Edge winning back the title he never lost is an emotionally compelling narrative and story to tell, I hope the Saudi Prince is a fan of his :))

The only problem I have is WWE puts barely any effort into producing quality ppvs in Saudia. Apart from Crown Jewel 2021 (Edge vs Seth HIAC one), all have been some of the least well produced shows. The matches have lacked direction etc.
 
Who should be Edge’s final opponent ?

For me I think it has to be Christian but it’s not possible in the WWE

If not Christian, I think Orton would make a lot of sense or maybe even Lesnar

The better question is, who should Edge wrestle in this year? considering it's his last

Would like to see him wrestle guys he hasn't worked with yet. I'd also like it to be more like a series of matches against guys rather than feuds with 3 matches.

Cody-Edge feud would be a given.
Edge-Drew maybe

Considering Christian isn't coming to WWE and Edge wouldn't go to AEW, I'd love to get an Edge vs Cena.
 
Would you guys prefer a KOR style tournament for the World heavyweight Championship or a multi men match like Fatal four way or even a 5-6 men Ladder match?

I am pretty bored of the tournament format. Plus it being a new title, gives very little storyline to build a feud around it between two guys for a singles match. I'd like a 5 men match. Ladder match would be great but the impending MITB would make one another an overkill.

I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor.

If it's a ladder match, I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor vs Ricochet vs Lashley/Braun

But think they'd definitely put Solo in there or even Omos.

But knowing Trips, he'll get an NXT call up in there.
 
The only problem I have is WWE puts barely any effort into producing quality ppvs in Saudia. Apart from Crown Jewel 2021 (Edge vs Seth HIAC one), all have been some of the least well produced shows. The matches have lacked direction etc.

I disagree, for a long time I was annoyed at how big their budget has been for the saudi shows and they do seem to put more effort in given the saudi moolah. Look at the events in the ilk of a big spectacle and they’re entertaining / fun. Being able to watch them in the evening here in the UK is a blessing, I think overall it has been a big success and now we’re going to see a new WHC crowned.
 
Would you guys prefer a KOR style tournament for the World heavyweight Championship or a multi men match like Fatal four way or even a 5-6 men Ladder match?

I am pretty bored of the tournament format. Plus it being a new title, gives very little storyline to build a feud around it between two guys for a singles match. I'd like a 5 men match. Ladder match would be great but the impending MITB would make one another an overkill.

I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor.

If it's a ladder match, I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor vs Ricochet vs Lashley/Braun

But think they'd definitely put Solo in there or even Omos.

But knowing Trips, he'll get an NXT call up in there.

A spot fest for a WHC title doesn’t sit well for me, I’d not mind a tournament in this case where each match is given a decent amount of time and they really try to get the importance of the belt over.

Seth is probably a big favourite but I’d not mind a big name holding the title for a couple of months or so. Or maybe even AJ Styles, that would be one hell of a left field choice. Seth and Cody are the two most likely finalists / winners
 
I disagree, for a long time I was annoyed at how big their budget has been for the saudi shows and they do seem to put more effort in given the saudi moolah. Look at the events in the ilk of a big spectacle and they’re entertaining / fun. Being able to watch them in the evening here in the UK is a blessing, I think overall it has been a big success and now we’re going to see a new WHC crowned.

It's been a success yes, but they have mostly filled it with filler storylines or no storylines.

Like Brock vs Cain - 2 min match, randomly announced Cena vs Trips, Randy vs Trips. Bryan vs Miz - 1 min match,

The only time they put in visible effort into producing well laid matches have been in last 2 PPVs. When the budget is so big, they need to bring proper storylines there like they do with Summerslam, Survivor Series etc.
 
A spot fest for a WHC title doesn’t sit well for me, I’d not mind a tournament in this case where each match is given a decent amount of time and they really try to get the importance of the belt over.

Seth is probably a big favourite but I’d not mind a big name holding the title for a couple of months or so. Or maybe even AJ Styles, that would be one hell of a left field choice. Seth and Cody are the two most likely finalists / winners

The tournament matches will be given not more than 10 mins on Raw and SD, and won't really have any storyline feud in place. Which is why I would prefer a starting spotfest to crown the champion and then bring in storyline for the first challenger feud.
And a multi men match gives an unpredictable winner a good chance to win without having more eyes on him initially.
 
It's been a success yes, but they have mostly filled it with filler storylines or no storylines.

Like Brock vs Cain - 2 min match, randomly announced Cena vs Trips, Randy vs Trips. Bryan vs Miz - 1 min match,

The only time they put in visible effort into producing well laid matches have been in last 2 PPVs. When the budget is so big, they need to bring proper storylines there like they do with Summerslam, Survivor Series etc.

From 2021 onwards almost every single match had a build, the shows are not indifferent to general PPV’s in their calendar now, some are going to be great and others not. I think in the first half they were testing the waters a bit in a new territory and the shows felt like glorified big house shows. They realise now the fans are not stupid and as this is a network event, they need to do better and also progress storylines. The matches you mentioned were more for the casuals and attracting that audience, Cain is far too green.
 
The tournament matches will be given not more than 10 mins on Raw and SD, and won't really have any storyline feud in place. Which is why I would prefer a starting spotfest to crown the champion and then bring in storyline for the first challenger feud.
And a multi men match gives an unpredictable winner a good chance to win without having more eyes on him initially.

10-15 min is not bad, that would be a big step up from Wrestlemania 4. When introducing a new title with multiple interests, becoming the first to life the title and the prestige that comes with it is the story, it is certainly way better than just handing the title to their chosen guy. Besides, they can incorporate on-going rivalries into the tournament itself and rekindle old ones. I don’t mind 10-15 min raslin matches and then going a bit further in the knockouts on PPV.

I wouldn’t mind spot fest if it was an already established title, but I just feel it would devalue it if they went down that route. The spot mania would have little story and especially psychology
 
10-15 min is not bad, that would be a big step up from Wrestlemania 4. When introducing a new title with multiple interests, becoming the first to life the title and the prestige that comes with it is the story, it is certainly way better than just handing the title to their chosen guy. Besides, they can incorporate on-going rivalries into the tournament itself and rekindle old ones. I don’t mind 10-15 min raslin matches and then going a bit further in the knockouts on PPV.

I wouldn’t mind spot fest if it was an already established title, but I just feel it would devalue it if they went down that route. The spot mania would have little story and especially psychology

Spot matches are fine if not overdone IMO. Or they could have a 5 way elimination match.
Think we'll just disagree on that bit.
 
From 2021 onwards almost every single match had a build, the shows are not indifferent to general PPV’s in their calendar now, some are going to be great and others not. I think in the first half they were testing the waters a bit in a new territory and the shows felt like glorified big house shows. They realise now the fans are not stupid and as this is a network event, they need to do better and also progress storylines. The matches you mentioned were more for the casuals and attracting that audience, Cain is far too green.

Yes the first 2-3 years, those PPVs were well below average. Hopefully it will be good one. The promotion in Saudia they do is crazy. Like every common man knows about a wrestling event happening.
 
Spot matches are fine if not overdone IMO. Or they could have a 5 way elimination match.
Think we'll just disagree on that bit.

Elimination match could work, provided it gets plenty of time, I like the idea of two gun slingers going at it right at the end when the dust has fallen on the rest after a hellacious battle. That, or a gauntlet, Seth was involved in one not that long ago which I enjoyed
 
Yes the first 2-3 years, those PPVs were well below average. Hopefully it will be good one. The promotion in Saudia they do is crazy. Like every common man knows about a wrestling event happening.

Are you in the Uk again or Canada? these events are a joy for me because I can’t always stay up till 4 am anymore
 
Are you in the Uk again or Canada? these events are a joy for me because I can’t always stay up till 4 am anymore

Nah. Pak.

I usually just wake up early or take a leave the day of Mania and Royal Rumble if I feel like it. 2020 Rumble leave was the best one as I witnessed the best Rumble in years - The Drew's victory one.

Saudi shows are easier to catch on live here. They start around 9pm.

I usually just download them the next day, the regular PPVs.
 
Elimination match could work, provided it gets plenty of time, I like the idea of two gun slingers going at it right at the end when the dust has fallen on the rest after a hellacious battle. That, or a gauntlet, Seth was involved in one not that long ago which I enjoyed

Yes, that gauntlet was great. But the thing about gauntlets is the winner becomes a little predictable, WWE love to do the ironman underdog or the last entering heel go over.
 
Nah. Pak.

I usually just wake up early or take a leave the day of Mania and Royal Rumble if I feel like it. 2020 Rumble leave was the best one as I witnessed the best Rumble in years - The Drew's victory one.

Saudi shows are easier to catch on live here. They start around 9pm.

I usually just download them the next day, the regular PPVs.

Ah that’s dedication taking leave to, am past that now but use to even if I had lectures the next day. This year I did stay up but for the first 1-2 hours
 
Ah that’s dedication taking leave to, am past that now but use to even if I had lectures the next day. This year I did stay up but for the first 1-2 hours

Well only cause Rumble is usually the only match you don't want to ruin by looking a random post on the internet. Rumble's the only one I'd still take a leave for even though I missed this year's event.

Mania, this year I was only excited for the Night 2 and it was already a day off for me plus it started right after Sehri so it all came handy.

2020 mania i watched one night, then the next day i got posted to covid ward and had to stay there for 3 days in the hospital.
 
I’ve been missing AJ a great deal, you just know it when you watch old TNA archive footage repeatedly lol

If I had my pick, I’d have him go over for the WHC

There's so many good names missing that are with WWE. Randy, AJ, Ciampa, Drew, Bray(although he's done nothing since his return), Big E etc

I'd really like a Randy Ciampa feud.

There's been literally no direction for Austin Theory for well over 6-7 months now. He's just meant to hold the US title and do nothing. The only plan for him was to have a match with Cena which didn't help his case either. I'd rather have Bronson Reed win the US title.
 
There's so many good names missing that are with WWE. Randy, AJ, Ciampa, Drew, Bray(although he's done nothing since his return), Big E etc

I'd really like a Randy Ciampa feud.

There's been literally no direction for Austin Theory for well over 6-7 months now. He's just meant to hold the US title and do nothing. The only plan for him was to have a match with Cena which didn't help his case either. I'd rather have Bronson Reed win the US title.

Edge, AJ etc are on SD now so no chance of winning WHC.

I think we are destined for Cody vs Seth Rollins for the title.

Imagine Riddle won it bah gawd
 
Edge, AJ etc are on SD now so no chance of winning WHC.

I think we are destined for Cody vs Seth Rollins for the title.

Imagine Riddle won it bah gawd

I am guessing Roman's next match will be against AJ now. There doesn't seem to be another contender in SD who hasn't feuded with Roman as the tribal chief.

Drew could come in as well for the WHC.

I'd like to have guys like Edge and Brock to be free agents type.

They made two things pretty clear today

1. Roman's run is going to continue for some good while.
2.The top two guys in WWE are Roman and Cody, and the top two females are Bianca and Becky.
 
I am guessing Roman's next match will be against AJ now. There doesn't seem to be another contender in SD who hasn't feuded with Roman as the tribal chief.

Drew could come in as well for the WHC.

I'd like to have guys like Edge and Brock to be free agents type.

They made two things pretty clear today

1. Roman's run is going to continue for some good while.
2.The top two guys in WWE are Roman and Cody, and the top two females are Bianca and Becky.

The OC appeared as a face team, so they may run that back, I’d love to see it. AJ and Reigns had incredible chemistry.

For the WHC, I’d like to see Seth win it, would be great from a story POV to but he seems to be a face now, although that wont matter overly when he faces Cody.
 
My Oh My Oh My, I just rewatched one of the greatest matches of all time, especially in RAW history. I hadn’t seen in years but had to because HBK is always trending on social media (he’s so over, his legacy is everlasting) and this match always comes up.

Shawn Michaels vs John Cena - 2007 non-title Wrestlemania return.

If I can recall correctly, this wasn’t meant to happen from the top of my head or at the very least, for the length of time it did; Orton/Edge one or both couldn’t be at the show or had to be cancelled, I think it was more to do with their availability.

Anyway this was during the peak Cena hatred era and especially the profound criticisms on his wrestling capability. It was actually a massive blessing in disguise that HHH got injured I think in 2006 because the big plan for WM 23 was for Cena to face HHH in a rematch. Enter Shawn Michaels, who had the big duty to get Cena over at WM and this started their rivalry. Shawn did more for Cena then HHH was ever going do, he literally helped change his career forever. WM 23 was a classic match, whether true or not, there were reports Shawn didn’t shake Cena’s hand because he wasn’t happy with Cena not selling his leg enough, anyway this played nicely into their match in London. You felt as though the animosity and hatred was real, from Cena talking smack backstage before the match, to the little sh!t talking in the ring and each man not being afraid of pulling out all stops even as faces (using the steps, ring side pole, announcers and general environment to their advantage) helped take the match to another level.

This match was deeply psychological and there were some great call back spots to their WM 23 encounter. Shawn tapped to the **** so it made sense for Cena to get under Shawn’s skin going for this early and targeting Shawn’s neck with power moves who attempted to counter this by trying to take away Cena’s strength by attacking his arm and shoulders, it was essentially a battle between Shawn’s technique and Cena’s power, but both trying to outsmart each other because there was a strategy behind their work. Both sold exceptionally well and Cena was trying his utmost to, even though it wasn’t his strength. The match had flow and they weren’t just spamming big move after big move, in fact in a near 60 minutes, I can’t recall many big spots if at all, their striking was excellent, their mat work was brilliant (even from Cena) and the overall ring generalship was incredible, the action kept moving along and you could say the big spots involved their signatures and it made sense.

The audience was pretty shocked I think by Cena’s performance, Shawn did the heavy lifting but Cena more than played his part even calling some spots, I don’t think people genuinely felt Cena was capable of being involved in a technical match for 60 minutes. And the finishing stretch was beautiful, the counters from both guys were organic throughout but that transition from the FU into the Sweet Chin Music was so beautiful and thrilling, the crowd was stunned again because I don’t think they felt Shawn was going over. HBK never won the title outside 2002 in his return but this was as big as winning another world championship, he elevated his legacy to another level altogether and did more for Cena’s recognition as a top guy then any other worker on the roster, I wish the two worked a bit more then they did.

5* classic and better then majority of singles matches which go past the 40 min mark these days, you watch it now and it holds up well beyond todays standard of repetition of moves and recycled formulaic spots/structure.
 
My Oh My Oh My, I just rewatched one of the greatest matches of all time, especially in RAW history. I hadnÂ’t seen in years but had to because HBK is always trending on social media (heÂ’s so over, his legacy is everlasting) and this match always comes up.

Shawn Michaels vs John Cena - 2007 non-title Wrestlemania return.

If I can recall correctly, this wasnÂ’t meant to happen from the top of my head or at the very least, for the length of time it did; Orton/Edge one or both couldnÂ’t be at the show or had to be cancelled, I think it was more to do with their availability.

Anyway this was during the peak Cena hatred era and especially the profound criticisms on his wrestling capability. It was actually a massive blessing in disguise that HHH got injured I think in 2006 because the big plan for WM 23 was for Cena to face HHH in a rematch. Enter Shawn Michaels, who had the big duty to get Cena over at WM and this started their rivalry. Shawn did more for Cena then HHH was ever going do, he literally helped change his career forever. WM 23 was a classic match, whether true or not, there were reports Shawn didnÂ’t shake CenaÂ’s hand because he wasnÂ’t happy with Cena not selling his leg enough, anyway this played nicely into their match in London. You felt as though the animosity and hatred was real, from Cena talking smack backstage before the match, to the little sh!t talking in the ring and each man not being afraid of pulling out all stops even as faces (using the steps, ring side pole, announcers and general environment to their advantage) helped take the match to another level.

This match was deeply psychological and there were some great call back spots to their WM 23 encounter. Shawn tapped to the **** so it made sense for Cena to get under ShawnÂ’s skin going for this early and targeting ShawnÂ’s neck with power moves who attempted to counter this by trying to take away CenaÂ’s strength by attacking his arm and shoulders, it was essentially a battle between ShawnÂ’s technique and CenaÂ’s power, but both trying to outsmart each other because there was a strategy behind their work. Both sold exceptionally well and Cena was trying his utmost to, even though it wasnÂ’t his strength. The match had flow and they werenÂ’t just spamming big move after big move, in fact in a near 60 minutes, I canÂ’t recall many big spots if at all, their striking was excellent, their mat work was brilliant (even from Cena) and the overall ring generalship was incredible, the action kept moving along and you could say the big spots involved their signatures and it made sense.

The audience was pretty shocked I think by CenaÂ’s performance, Shawn did the heavy lifting but Cena more than played his part even calling some spots, I donÂ’t think people genuinely felt Cena was capable of being involved in a technical match for 60 minutes. And the finishing stretch was beautiful, the counters from both guys were organic throughout but that transition from the FU into the Sweet Chin Music was so beautiful and thrilling, the crowd was stunned again because I donÂ’t think they felt Shawn was going over. HBK never won the title outside 2002 in his return but this was as big as winning another world championship, he elevated his legacy to another level altogether and did more for CenaÂ’s recognition as a top guy then any other worker on the roster, I wish the two worked a bit more then they did.

5* classic and better then majority of singles matches which go past the 40 min mark these days, you watch it now and it holds up well beyond todays standard of repetition of moves and recycled formulaic spots/structure.

To be honest, I haven't seen anyone so effortless as HBK in wrestling industry. If there's a thing like specifically made for it, Shawn was born to be a wrestler. He can just come in and do these dances after his return in 2002 and it felt like he had never left. It never felt like he had ring rust or any other thing. Whatever he did, even if not done with full intensity/injury/ring rust/time away from wrestling, didn't matter as it would become a thing of its own. He's like a textbook for his kind of wrestling style.

He appeared at the draft yesterday, and it felt like he hadn't left. He can still dance down the ring and everyone would go along with it. His mannerisms in the ring, his selling, his desperation for getting the pin etc everything has been perfect all the time. He even makes cowboy hat look cool.

There are two feuds/matches for Shawn that I wish we could have got
1. HBK vs The Rock
2. HBK vs AJ Styles
 
To be honest, I haven't seen anyone so effortless as HBK in wrestling industry. If there's a thing like specifically made for it, Shawn was born to be a wrestler. He can just come in and do these dances after his return in 2002 and it felt like he had never left. It never felt like he had ring rust or any other thing. Whatever he did, even if not done with full intensity/injury/ring rust/time away from wrestling, didn't matter as it would become a thing of its own. He's like a textbook for his kind of wrestling style.

He appeared at the draft yesterday, and it felt like he hadn't left. He can still dance down the ring and everyone would go along with it. His mannerisms in the ring, his selling, his desperation for getting the pin etc everything has been perfect all the time. He even makes cowboy hat look cool.

There are two feuds/matches for Shawn that I wish we could have got
1. HBK vs The Rock
2. HBK vs AJ Styles

The scary part is, Shawn was regarded as the greatest ever when he had to retire in 1998, I have magazines from 97 where Shawn is being praised as the greatest in-ring performer of all time. While it felt like he never left back in 2002, all that soul searching made Shawn an even better performer, he started to get even better and we entered super saiyan territory when it came to his run in the 2000’s. He can do it all, each and every style but with elevated ring generalship, psychology and bumps, he just knew how to take those to prolong his longevity to, if he wanted he could have gone on for another 7-8 years at the top. I agree he is still so over. Okada is another guy who is so effortless in the ring, interestingly he idolised Shawn.

Those two matches would have been special, especially the one with Rock given the styles clash.

Speaking of AJ, don’t you think WWE did his return dirty? no hype, or vignettes etc they just had him show up randomly with OC’s theme music, it was so flat, the commentary were dead to. This must be pettiness on WWE’s part and most likely Triple H. We’re talking a generational talent, one of the greatest of all time and a former world champion across multiple promotions, the handling of his return was a shambles, a bigger deal should have been made.
 
Legendary! Has to be the best sell of Cena's career.

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I honestly can't stand Cena. His run at the top from 2005-2014 was the worst. My favourite Cena moment was when Brock Lesnar destroyed him at Summerslam 2014 to win the world title. That ended his decade of destruction for good.

Shawn was the greatest wrestler, in my opinion. His second run was even more legendary than his first run. The only negative about his second run was that he was a babyface for entirety of it, except for during his feud with Hulk Hogan in 2005. Shawn was a natural d-bag and I struggled to connect with babyface Shawn. My dream during the 2002-05 days was to see Shawn turn heel and join Hunter to reform DX. Instead they had Hunter turn face and we got a very cheap and lame version of DX in 2006.
 
I honestly can't stand Cena. His run at the top from 2005-2014 was the worst. My favourite Cena moment was when Brock Lesnar destroyed him at Summerslam 2014 to win the world title. That ended his decade of destruction for good.

Shawn was the greatest wrestler, in my opinion. His second run was even more legendary than his first run. The only negative about his second run was that he was a babyface for entirety of it, except for during his feud with Hulk Hogan in 2005. Shawn was a natural d-bag and I struggled to connect with babyface Shawn. My dream during the 2002-05 days was to see Shawn turn heel and join Hunter to reform DX. Instead they had Hunter turn face and we got a very cheap and lame version of DX in 2006.

Michaels was and will always remain the finest worker and performer of all time.
 
The scary part is, Shawn was regarded as the greatest ever when he had to retire in 1998, I have magazines from 97 where Shawn is being praised as the greatest in-ring performer of all time. While it felt like he never left back in 2002, all that soul searching made Shawn an even better performer, he started to get even better and we entered super saiyan territory when it came to his run in the 2000’s. He can do it all, each and every style but with elevated ring generalship, psychology and bumps, he just knew how to take those to prolong his longevity to, if he wanted he could have gone on for another 7-8 years at the top. I agree he is still so over. Okada is another guy who is so effortless in the ring, interestingly he idolised Shawn.

Those two matches would have been special, especially the one with Rock given the styles clash.

Speaking of AJ, don’t you think WWE did his return dirty? no hype, or vignettes etc they just had him show up randomly with OC’s theme music, it was so flat, the commentary were dead to. This must be pettiness on WWE’s part and most likely Triple H. We’re talking a generational talent, one of the greatest of all time and a former world champion across multiple promotions, the handling of his return was a shambles, a bigger deal should have been made.

Yes I do think AJ's return should have been hyped. They even hyped up Nakamura's return with vignettes etc. And Styles is much bigger than him. They did the same thing with announcing Bryan being cleared to wrestle randomly when it could have been a proper roof blowing moment at Mania.

One thing is for sure, AJ does have influence in WWE. Gallows and Anderson are only relevant when Styles is there and I am pretty sure their re signing was done by AJ. When he was out injured, they weren't even featured on tv.

Actually Trips is the guy who convinced Vince to sign AJ. AJ was the first one of the outsiders to bypass NXT and arrive directly on the main stage. AJ said it himself. Joe, Nakamura, Roode, Drew etc everyone had to go back to NXT and then get called up except AJ.


And yes Okada is extremely fluent as well.

Funnily Dwayne said at Hall of Fame 2008 that 3 guys he wants to face if he returns would be Cena, Rey and HBK. And when he did come back, HBK was retired, he ended up facing Cena(twice), Punk (twice), and a random tag match with cena against Miz and R Truth (seriously they could have utilized his return match better)

And one thing that almost everytime goes under the radar is Dwayne's wrestling ability. He actually had a very sound basic wrestling fluency and sequences. It was just that it didn't suit with his character, but boy he could do springboard splashes.
 
Legendary! Has to be the best sell of Cena's career.

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The desperation and body language of Shawn here. Great sequence. These are 4 guys who are distinguished ring generals.
 
Without a doubt!

It's a shame he didn't play heel during his second run, except for a short feud with Hogan. I always found him far better as a cocky, arrogant heel. I believe his promo in Montreal during his feud with Hogan is the finest ever, even better than any promos of Flair or the Rock.
 
I honestly can't stand Cena. His run at the top from 2005-2014 was the worst. My favourite Cena moment was when Brock Lesnar destroyed him at Summerslam 2014 to win the world title. That ended his decade of destruction for good.

Shawn was the greatest wrestler, in my opinion. His second run was even more legendary than his first run. The only negative about his second run was that he was a babyface for entirety of it, except for during his feud with Hulk Hogan in 2005. Shawn was a natural d-bag and I struggled to connect with babyface Shawn. My dream during the 2002-05 days was to see Shawn turn heel and join Hunter to reform DX. Instead they had Hunter turn face and we got a very cheap and lame version of DX in 2006.

It's a shame he didn't play heel during his second run, except for a short feud with Hogan. I always found him far better as a cocky, arrogant heel. I believe his promo in Montreal during his feud with Hogan is the finest ever, even better than any promos of Flair or the Rock.

It felt like they were writing Shawn out of the shows the moment he came back, the match with Hunter was meant to be a one and done thing in 2002, since then Shawn was working on a ad-hoc basis. And on top of that, you never know what you had till it’s gone, and given the nature of his retirement in 1998, I think that got him even more over, for him to work with a broken back like that is nothing short of a Miracle; watch Taker on Hot Boxin with Mike and Tyson was full of immense praise for Shawn, saying how tough he was because he needed the surgery but was flying around everywhere, I actually enjoyed the WM14 main event despite how Austin and Shawn feel. For him to return from that, it was going to be extremely difficult to do a complete turn, the fans genuinely missed him and to see him perform even better, must have felt like some dream.

Outside that Hogan feud, I would argue he depicted heel tendencies towards the end of his second run, in the feud with Ric Flair and The Undertaker. The character work during the feuds with Flair, Batista and Jericho work were some of the best this century, Jericho used Michaels suspect behaviour against him and got himself over as the biggest heel of the naughties, if you have a network subscription, I recommend watching HBK/Flair at WM 24 and then the RAW episodes and PPV’s involving HBK after that, the feud with Jericho was outstanding
 
Yes I do think AJ's return should have been hyped. They even hyped up Nakamura's return with vignettes etc. And Styles is much bigger than him. They did the same thing with announcing Bryan being cleared to wrestle randomly when it could have been a proper roof blowing moment at Mania.

One thing is for sure, AJ does have influence in WWE. Gallows and Anderson are only relevant when Styles is there and I am pretty sure their re signing was done by AJ. When he was out injured, they weren't even featured on tv.

Actually Trips is the guy who convinced Vince to sign AJ. AJ was the first one of the outsiders to bypass NXT and arrive directly on the main stage. AJ said it himself. Joe, Nakamura, Roode, Drew etc everyone had to go back to NXT and then get called up except AJ.


And yes Okada is extremely fluent as well.

Funnily Dwayne said at Hall of Fame 2008 that 3 guys he wants to face if he returns would be Cena, Rey and HBK. And when he did come back, HBK was retired, he ended up facing Cena(twice), Punk (twice), and a random tag match with cena against Miz and R Truth (seriously they could have utilized his return match better)

And one thing that almost everytime goes under the radar is Dwayne's wrestling ability. He actually had a very sound basic wrestling fluency and sequences. It was just that it didn't suit with his character, but boy he could do springboard splashes.

I wouldn’t credit Hunter overly, that was his job, to scout talent. If it was more HHH then Vince, Styles would have been in NXT. In fact Styles as you said, was maybe the last guy to veto development and onto the main roster, I don’t think it would have been possible if Vince did not see money in AJ. I also think at that point they needed a big name. Many people were worried about AJ being buried due to pettiness but after his matches with Reigns, I guaranteed people he would be champion, Vince soon after regretted not signing him a decade earlier but timing is everything, AJ got over massively and exceeded all expectations which comes from ATG calibre talent.

The Rock in his prime was outstanding, his ring awareness and selling capability was excellent, his character work always overshadowed that but he was rarely involved in a bad match, even enjoyed great chemistry with HHH. When The Rock came back, he still could sell so well, have a look at that RAW where Punk turns on him, that sell of the clothesline was almost like he just had his head taken off. Yes, that’s a shame, would have loved to have seen Rock vs Michaels, but even if the latter was still around, it’s unlikely when you look at the small list of names he faced.
 
The OC appeared as a face team, so they may run that back, I’d love to see it. AJ and Reigns had incredible chemistry.

For the WHC, I’d like to see Seth win it, would be great from a story POV to but he seems to be a face now, although that wont matter overly when he faces Cody.

Lol I had written a big post in reply to this and for some reason PP server crashed. And now I don't remember what I had written a few days back.

I'd like a left field choice to win the WHC. We all know Seth, Cody, Drew, all 3 could and would be great options. But I'd really like some desperation from the guys to win it (so the championship seems legit and get over)

Everyone can see is Gallows and Anderson are only relevant when AJ is there. Otherwise they're jobbers in WWE.

AJ-Roman matches were great. Those matches had some of the best nearfalls I have seen. Roman is a master of kicking out at the very very very last moment. The fun thing is both were supposed to be faces yet AJ was the one everyone wanted to see win. Those two matches were amongst the best of that year. 2016 was a good year. They SS match between Raw vs SD was awesome too.


One thing I am seeing is WWE seem to be quiety sowing the seeds for an eventual Randy return. There's a three way match with Riddle/Sami/KO vs Usos/Solo. Once Roman arrives to one up the number, there won't be anyone to back KO/Sami/Riddle. The most natural person would be Randy who also has a star power to simply be inserted to the mainevent without any build.

I'd really like for KO/Sami to move away from The Bloodline after Backlash.
 
I wouldnÂ’t credit Hunter overly, that was his job, to scout talent. If it was more HHH then Vince, Styles would have been in NXT. In fact Styles as you said, was maybe the last guy to veto development and onto the main roster, I donÂ’t think it would have been possible if Vince did not see money in AJ. I also think at that point they needed a big name. Many people were worried about AJ being buried due to pettiness but after his matches with Reigns, I guaranteed people he would be champion, Vince soon after regretted not signing him a decade earlier but timing is everything, AJ got over massively and exceeded all expectations which comes from ATG calibre talent.

The Rock in his prime was outstanding, his ring awareness and selling capability was excellent, his character work always overshadowed that but he was rarely involved in a bad match, even enjoyed great chemistry with HHH. When The Rock came back, he still could sell so well, have a look at that RAW where Punk turns on him, that sell of the clothesline was almost like he just had his head taken off. Yes, thatÂ’s a shame, would have loved to have seen Rock vs Michaels, but even if the latter was still around, itÂ’s unlikely when you look at the small list of names he faced.

Dwayne in his young rock tv series said the first and the most important lesson he was taught when he started training for pro wrestling with his father was the selling. Said his dad told him, if you can't make the audience feel your pain, you can't connect with them. And he did become one hell of a seller.
 
It's a shame he didn't play heel during his second run, except for a short feud with Hogan. I always found him far better as a cocky, arrogant heel. I believe his promo in Montreal during his feud with Hogan is the finest ever, even better than any promos of Flair or the Rock.

His promo in Montreal was out of this world. He started the promo by saying "Who is your daddy Montreal?" That is brilliant stuff. And the use of Bret Hart's music to tease the crowd was brilliant too. That promo was Shawn's greatest ever promo.

When it comes to greatest ever heels in WWE history, people often name people like Edge, Triple H, Roddy Piper etc, but Shawn deserves to be up there too for that Montreal promo alone.

Apparently Shawn didn't want to be heel during his second run, because he found God and he was a changed man. Well he may have found God, but judging by what Hurricane Helms and Mr Kennedy have said about Shawn, he was still a d-bag during his second run. He just wasn't a drug addict no more.
 
It felt like they were writing Shawn out of the shows the moment he came back, the match with Hunter was meant to be a one and done thing in 2002, since then Shawn was working on a ad-hoc basis. And on top of that, you never know what you had till it’s gone, and given the nature of his retirement in 1998, I think that got him even more over, for him to work with a broken back like that is nothing short of a Miracle; watch Taker on Hot Boxin with Mike and Tyson was full of immense praise for Shawn, saying how tough he was because he needed the surgery but was flying around everywhere, I actually enjoyed the WM14 main event despite how Austin and Shawn feel. For him to return from that, it was going to be extremely difficult to do a complete turn, the fans genuinely missed him and to see him perform even better, must have felt like some dream.

Outside that Hogan feud, I would argue he depicted heel tendencies towards the end of his second run, in the feud with Ric Flair and The Undertaker. The character work during the feuds with Flair, Batista and Jericho work were some of the best this century, Jericho used Michaels suspect behaviour against him and got himself over as the biggest heel of the naughties, if you have a network subscription, I recommend watching HBK/Flair at WM 24 and then the RAW episodes and PPV’s involving HBK after that, the feud with Jericho was outstanding

Wrestlemania 14 main event was a good match. Shawn was in complete agony, but did the job for Austin. Apparently had Shawn pulled any shenanigans, Undertaker would have set him straight, as he was waiting backstage for him.

But it is good to see Taker sing Shawn's praises. Despite the fact that I don't think very highly of Shawn as a person, he was the greatest ever wrestler, in my opinion.

Shawn ability to tell a story was great. His rivalries with Flair, Jericho and Undertaker were on another level. Because of his great in-ring ability, people often overlook Shawn's ability to convey a story outside of a match.

Although Shawn had a perfect retirement match with Taker at Wrestlemania, it is a shame that he retired when he did, because I felt that he had another five years in him. Imagine if Shawn lasted until 2015, we would have seen Shawn have matches with Punk & Bryan. It is a shame that those matches never took place.
 
His promo in Montreal was out of this world. He started the promo by saying "Who is your daddy Montreal?" That is brilliant stuff. And the use of Bret Hart's music to tease the crowd was brilliant too. That promo was Shawn's greatest ever promo.

When it comes to greatest ever heels in WWE history, people often name people like Edge, Triple H, Roddy Piper etc, but Shawn deserves to be up there too for that Montreal promo alone.

Apparently Shawn didn't want to be heel during his second run, because he found God and he was a changed man. Well he may have found God, but judging by what Hurricane Helms and Mr Kennedy have said about Shawn, he was still a d-bag during his second run. He just wasn't a drug addict no more.

You need to read his autobiography released in 2005/06. You’ll immediately know everything there’s needed to be known. The book is filled with such blatant lies and half truths, you’ll be shaking your head with alarming regularity as you read it.
 
Wrestlemania 14 main event was a good match. Shawn was in complete agony, but did the job for Austin. Apparently had Shawn pulled any shenanigans, Undertaker would have set him straight, as he was waiting backstage for him.

But it is good to see Taker sing Shawn's praises. Despite the fact that I don't think very highly of Shawn as a person, he was the greatest ever wrestler, in my opinion.

Shawn ability to tell a story was great. His rivalries with Flair, Jericho and Undertaker were on another level. Because of his great in-ring ability, people often overlook Shawn's ability to convey a story outside of a match.

Although Shawn had a perfect retirement match with Taker at Wrestlemania, it is a shame that he retired when he did, because I felt that he had another five years in him. Imagine if Shawn lasted until 2015, we would have seen Shawn have matches with Punk & Bryan. It is a shame that those matches never took place.

Taker has gone on record numerous times to confirm that it wasn’t the case, and he was not in Gorilla but who knows, Shawn had issues backstage but he was always up for it in the ring, his escape. Great match and the one they had I think 96 was even better, according to the two, they had their best matches during house shows we will never come to see. I totally agree, he has been involved in some of the best rivalries in history.

I would agree with you, but he sort of wrestled everyone outside The Rock and Brock Lesnar when we’re looking at the big names. AJ Styles was intriguing for me, I wish Shawn came back even in a tag match, he by far looked vastly superior to all the other oldies in saudi, the match got negative reception but Shawn was fantastic. If he was going to return for singles action, it would have been that year, it wasn’t to be. Shawn said the one opponent who intrigued him was Samoa Joe.

Shawn vs Lesnar could have been something
 
His promo in Montreal was out of this world. He started the promo by saying "Who is your daddy Montreal?" That is brilliant stuff. And the use of Bret Hart's music to tease the crowd was brilliant too. That promo was Shawn's greatest ever promo.

When it comes to greatest ever heels in WWE history, people often name people like Edge, Triple H, Roddy Piper etc, but Shawn deserves to be up there too for that Montreal promo alone.

Apparently Shawn didn't want to be heel during his second run, because he found God and he was a changed man. Well he may have found God, but judging by what Hurricane Helms and Mr Kennedy have said about Shawn, he was still a d-bag during his second run. He just wasn't a drug addict no more.

He was a much better person on the whole, may have got carried away a few times when his Kliq mates were around. Kennedy is always talking rubbish but outside him, The FTR and one or two others, most have said positive things about him and he helped elevate others in the ring. In NXT he has been a great mentor presently
 
You need to read his autobiography released in 2005/06. You’ll immediately know everything there’s needed to be known. The book is filled with such blatant lies and half truths, you’ll be shaking your head with alarming regularity as you read it.

I thought it was a great read, it’s good to balance material of that ilk with what someone like Meltzer has to say. But that’s the backstage shtick, the background to his matches were incredibly insightful
 
Shawn was still paid near a million dollars each year while he was out. JR and others use to bring it up during budget meets but Vince asked them to let it go. Vince liked Shawn but must have appreciated his loyalty when it would have been easy to jump ship to WCW
 
I find it so amusing when x or y random wrestler complains about Christian Shawn :))
 
Shawn was still paid near a million dollars each year while he was out. JR and others use to bring it up during budget meets but Vince asked them to let it go. Vince liked Shawn but must have appreciated his loyalty when it would have been easy to jump ship to WCW

That's probs one reason he loves Taker that much. Dude legit refused the WCW contract out of loyalty.

According to many Shawn was a big nuisance during his first run. Mark Henry said HBK and Trips put legit dog poop in Dwayne's lunch as a prank or something.

For me, the only thing that he shouldn't have done was that losing the smile and vacating the title crap he pulled, should have lost the title to Bret if he was going to go away for a while.
 
I thought it was a great read, it’s good to balance material of that ilk with what someone like Meltzer has to say. But that’s the backstage shtick, the background to his matches were incredibly insightful

Think by now everyone know how much of crybaby and liar Meltzer is. Nothing he says can be trusted. The guy has been a disease in the wrestling world considering how much importance the kliq of indie fans and people on internet give to his **.
 
Wrestlemania 14 main event was a good match. Shawn was in complete agony, but did the job for Austin. Apparently had Shawn pulled any shenanigans, Undertaker would have set him straight, as he was waiting backstage for him.

But it is good to see Taker sing Shawn's praises. Despite the fact that I don't think very highly of Shawn as a person, he was the greatest ever wrestler, in my opinion.

Shawn ability to tell a story was great. His rivalries with Flair, Jericho and Undertaker were on another level. Because of his great in-ring ability, people often overlook Shawn's ability to convey a story outside of a match.

Although Shawn had a perfect retirement match with Taker at Wrestlemania, it is a shame that he retired when he did, because I felt that he had another five years in him. Imagine if Shawn lasted until 2015, we would have seen Shawn have matches with Punk & Bryan. It is a shame that those matches never took place.

Shawn might have definitely wrestled Bryan. Bryan was trained at his wrestling school. Not many people know about that but Regal and Shawn are the two guys who trained him.
 
Shawn might have definitely wrestled Bryan. Bryan was trained at his wrestling school. Not many people know about that but Regal and Shawn are the two guys who trained him.

Bryan attended his school but I don’t think Shawn personally trained Bryan a massive deal. Bryan always credits Regal as the biggest influence on his in-ring ability
 
Think by now everyone know how much of crybaby and liar Meltzer is. Nothing he says can be trusted. The guy has been a disease in the wrestling world considering how much importance the kliq of indie fans and people on internet give to his **.

Bret was a massive Meltzer stooge from the mid 90’s onwards, Shawn was a dick but you look at Meltzer’s coverage pre-96 and post 96 on Shawn and there’s a big difference, not just the politics but also on Shawn’s ring performances which were always of a high calibre
 
That's probs one reason he loves Taker that much. Dude legit refused the WCW contract out of loyalty.

According to many Shawn was a big nuisance during his first run. Mark Henry said HBK and Trips put legit dog poop in Dwayne's lunch as a prank or something.

For me, the only thing that he shouldn't have done was that losing the smile and vacating the title crap he pulled, should have lost the title to Bret if he was going to go away for a while.

Whether true or not, Shawn put that down to a misdiagnosis from a doctor regarding an injury of his. And to rub Bret the wrong way, he did a moonsault from the top rope :)))
 
Whether true or not, Shawn put that down to a misdiagnosis from a doctor regarding an injury of his. And to rub Bret the wrong way, he did a moonsault from the top rope :)))

Yeah he definitely was a trouble maker in the first run :))
 
Bret was a massive Meltzer stooge from the mid 90’s onwards, Shawn was a dick but you look at Meltzer’s coverage pre-96 and post 96 on Shawn and there’s a big difference, not just the politics but also on Shawn’s ring performances which were always of a high calibre

I only followed Meltzer a little from around 2018-2020. And totally stopped reading anything that had Meltzer in it by late 2021 2022. Not just Shawn's work, but a majority of WWE's good matches were severely undermined by him which for some reason his readers/fans believe. Kurt, HBK, Austin, Taker etc they've all had a fantastic body of work which easily eclipses those of the 5 star darlings of these days.

Yes Bret likes when people praise him. He has always been a mark for himself. But apart from that he definitely is one of the best ever.
 
Bryan attended his school but I don’t think Shawn personally trained Bryan a massive deal. Bryan always credits Regal as the biggest influence on his in-ring ability

Yes, but Shawn did train in his school himself as well. Very less likely that they never wrestled each other even for a sequence of moves. Plus considering Shawn's eye, would have been hard had Bryan went under the radar of Shawn unless he was really green then.
 

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Have you seen this? Austin cuts promos in real life just as good. :P
 
I thought it was a great read, it’s good to balance material of that ilk with what someone like Meltzer has to say. But that’s the backstage shtick, the background to his matches were incredibly insightful

Michaels has always, always been my greatest hero in wrestling. I have had fights with my friends during my younger days defending him. But sorry to say, his first book released in 2005/06 is a compilation of such blatant lies, not even his biggest fan in me can defend him.

Just 2 examples, he sarcastically used to yell all around the locker room that he won't do any jobs, and unfortunately other wrestlers took it seriously. Next, after the Montreal screwjob, in the locker room, Bret tried to punch Vince, but Vince took a dive at the last moment and Bret didn't hit him at all.

One more half truth, he says that it was the tradition for the senior wrestler to congratulate his junior whom he has put over for the title. Bret didn't do that. But the time Shawn was backstage, Bret had already left. He just forgot to mention that he yelled at the referee after the match finished to ask Bret to get the F out of the ring.

These are just a few examples. Like I said before, he has written so many blatant lies in his book, it embarrasses even a genuine fan of him like me.
 
As for Michaels's ability in the ring, the only guy whom I'd place alongside him as a worker (mind you, not as a performer, just as a worker) is the Dynamite Kid. No one else can lay claim to be a better worker in the ring, not even guys like Flair (another big hero of mine), Bret, Steamboat, etc.

I'd say Kurt Angle in his prime could definitely give Michaels a run for his money, but Michaels's longevity puts him much ahead.
 
Think Vince probably doesn't see him as a draw. I doubt Vince knew it was Punk's wedding. Vince lives in his own world.

Yeah I'm not entirely convinced about this point either. One instance that comes to mind that Punk mentioned in one of his interviews was that when it was decided that Triple H would inexplicably go over on Punk at Night of Champions 2011, eventhough it made zero sense, Punk notes that when he went to H, H said it was Vince idea. And when Punk asked Vince, Vince was like yeah, H is going over. The implication was that H convinced Vince and Vince went along with it, which tbh makes him just as complicit in Punk's burial.
 
Enjoy Edge while you can boys, for his age his performances are staggering and he wont be around long, this run has been taken for granted big time

It hasn't been that great though. I think it has fallen away big time in the past year. The feud with Randy was the high-point, which sadly got ruined by COVID. And the feud with Rollins was great just for the amazing matches they had. But this JD stuff has been rotten and boring. Unfortunate that Edge hasn't even worked with guys like Zayn, Owens, McIntyre, Cody, Gunther, LA Knight and so many others yet.
 
Who should win the world title?

I think it should be a big name first. Either of the following similar to Shawn:

Edge
Orton
AJ Styles
Lesnar

Two of these may be injured, would be good to build a story around Edge winning it perhaps.

Seth is not a bad option either, he could be the favourite perhaps.

But am glad this is in Saudi because will get to see the event live here in the UK at non zero dark thirty hours

I think it will be either Seth or Drew. If I was a betting man I would put my money on Seth.
 
Would you guys prefer a KOR style tournament for the World heavyweight Championship or a multi men match like Fatal four way or even a 5-6 men Ladder match?

I am pretty bored of the tournament format. Plus it being a new title, gives very little storyline to build a feud around it between two guys for a singles match. I'd like a 5 men match. Ladder match would be great but the impending MITB would make one another an overkill.

I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor.

If it's a ladder match, I'd go with Drew vs Seth vs Edge vs Balor vs Ricochet vs Lashley/Braun

But think they'd definitely put Solo in there or even Omos.

But knowing Trips, he'll get an NXT call up in there.

Nah it has to be an Eliminator tournament with a final. I'm tired of seeing multi-man matches. So few are actually good and almost all of them entail one guy lying on the floor for an eternity.
 
Seth and Edge are the favorites I think. Drew is a possibility as well. Solo would have been a contender (the only one in the bloodline without a belt, him winning would give Roman more reason to berate the Usos) if he weren't too green. They'd probably be looking towards a guy who can draw the crowds for the live events and weekly tv.

Considering it's in Saudia, Mansoor would get a roaring reaction if he ends up winning only to lose it the next night on Raw or SD.

And we can't rule out Goldberg, can we?

Oldberg has outlived his usefulness. Even with his name value, WWE clearly donot think that his price tag is justified anymore. And with good reason, the guy can barely move or have a coherent 2 minute match anymore. Goldberg knows he was done a long time ago. He has just been milking this name value for the last 3 years. He'll probably go out with a self-promoted retirement tour, which will make him even richer.

Because it makes little sense for WWE or AEW to spend the amount of money he is probably asking for, just to get him to get him to wrestler sporadically for a year.

AEW might get something out of him if they can get him to put over Wardlow. or drive ticket sales for a big show. But then again, what will his price tag be?
 
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I’ve been missing AJ a great deal, you just know it when you watch old TNA archive footage repeatedly lol

If I had my pick, I’d have him go over for the WHC

I hate AJ with this low-rent Bullet Club crap. It was good when he was a heel and had Gallows and Anderson. But now they've added Mia Yim and they are babyfaces. Plus Gallows and Anderson have been booked like jobbers ever sicne they came back. They badly need to rehabilitate AJ. He. returned last week or two weeks ago and it was done so anticlimactically that it didnt even seem like he was coming back after a lengthy injury.
 
Edge, AJ etc are on SD now so no chance of winning WHC.

I think we are destined for Cody vs Seth Rollins for the title.

Imagine Riddle won it bah gawd

Nah Cody has to beat Roman. My bet would be on Cody v Reigns at WrestleMania 40. I'm fairly certain they are going to let Roman be champ for another year. That's probably why they drafted Lashley and AJ to SmackDown too. So Reigns can have some fresh opponents.
 
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