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Edge came back to wrestling so he could end his career on his terms, jumping of a 15 ft high steel cage and going out his way, with a broken leg. Fair play.
 
shaz619 said:
Hope his stuff will be good at least and that means the top of the card, MJF is a known draw outside the more established names
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Was weird to see a well past prime out of business midcarder making an appearance and taking out two credible current wrestlers against a numbers advantage. Would have been fine had he only taken out one of Brody or Buddy. It's like Hurricane returning and taking out Finn, JD and Dom by himself in 2024.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Was weird to see a well past prime out of business midcarder making an appearance and taking out two credible current wrestlers against a numbers advantage. Would have been fine had he only taken out one of Brody or Buddy. It's like Hurricane returning and taking out Finn, JD and Dom by himself in 2024.
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You talking about Gangrel? that impaler DDT looked lethal though and better than anytime Edge did it
 
hassan918 said:

WWE RAW Lineup for May 27, 2024 Episode:​

  • Braun Strowman vs. JD McDonagh
  • Liv Morgan’s first appearance as Women’s World Champion
  • GUNTHER’s first appearance after becoming King of The Ring
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Raw Results, May 27, 2024​

  • Braun Strowman def. JD McDonagh
  • Ricochet vs. Ilja Dragunov ended in a no-contest due to Bron Breakker
  • AOP def. The Creed Brothers
  • Lyra Valkyria def. Kairi Sane
  • Rey Mysterio def. Carlito
  • "Big" Bronson Reed def. Otis
  • Liv Morgan def. Becky Lynch to retain the Women’s World Title in a Steel Cage Match
 
Kianig89 said:
Any update on Brock Lesnar what's next for him in WWE
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There was that stuff that came out with Vince but Brock never actually done anything, they shared a dodgy inside joke and that was it.

After that WWE sort of black listed or suspended him for a bit in my opinion behind closed doors, most likely a Trippe H decision due to his huge ego and inferiority complex, plus inability to manage anyone who isn’t a mark of his.

Brock during the whole thing probably couldn’t care less, they need him more than vice versa.

Internally some reports suggest he is no longer on their naughty list or whatever, maybe that’s a sign of the higher ups mending fences with Lesnar, I hope so, because he is missed and we need that Gunther match.
 
shaz619 said:
Edge came back to wrestling so he could end his career on his terms, jumping of a 15 ft high steel cage and going out his way, with a broken leg. Fair play.
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No idea what he was thinking. What a stupid thing to do. But that's what happens when you're in that environment where everybody motivates each other to go out there and kill themselves.
 
Matches like this Anarchy in the Arena match are morbidly fascinating to me. Because the bar for craziness is so high among the audience, it's like every time wrestlers have to outdo themselves by doing something even crazier. And once you get stuff like fire involved it starts getting dangerous because you can't control fire. But I guess the question is how far will you keep going with this? Where does it end exactly? When you run over someone with a car?...oh wait, they did that too here.
 
MJF needs a big feud now that he's back. And no more of that comedy please. Problem is there aren't many big names on the roster that aren't out injured or he hasn't already worked with.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No idea what he was thinking. What a stupid thing to do. But that's what happens when you're in that environment where everybody motivates each other to go out there and kill themselves.
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It’s shameful and he deserves what comes his way, he should think about his kids at least, I can imagine the younger wrestlers taking stupid risks but a vet like Edge, with so much more to lose, it doesn’t make any sense
 
shaz619 said:
It’s shameful and he deserves what comes his way, he should think about his kids at least, I can imagine the younger wrestlers taking stupid risks but a vet like Edge, with so much more to lose, it doesn’t make any sense
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As he was doing it, I was thinking that there's no way that this can end well for him, a 50 year old wrestler with a history of injuries. But then when I saw him finish the match, I was relieved. Ofcourse I was wrong.

And yeah, that's the most disappointing thing about this. That he's a guy who has done this stuff during the early part of his career and suffered greatly because of it. Yet he still chose to do something so reckless, just for a cheap pop?

I also don't get why a cage match just has to have weapons, tables and an elaborate stunt involving the cage? What happened to using the cage itself as a cheese grater on your opponent's forehead? Why can't everyone just watch Tully v Magnum TA at Starrcade before they go out and do their sh!tty version of a cage match?
 
shaz619 said:
You talking about Gangrel? that impaler DDT looked lethal though and better than anytime Edge did it
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yup. yes always rated his impaler better than Edge but didn't really made sense for me for him to singlehandedly take out Brody and Buddy.
 
I just hope MJF doesn't start a feud with Adam Cole's band of jobbers. I love Roddy as a wrestler but he too has been treated much like a joke in AEW. The evil heel faction of masked men that was responsible for all those seemingly evil things, and who were built up for months are now just a bunch of names on the roster. They have zero heat and the fact that they decided to use Adam Cole in his whole angle as the puppet-master, leader (eventhough he was injured) has completely buried him too. There is zero interest in an MJF v Adam Cole match now. Just move on and give MJF an interesting opponent that helps him get back to the top of the card.
 
Didn't care much for Double Or Nothing. It was too long and for a company that prides itself on delivering 'bangers', this show didn't have a single one.

But I will say that Swerve v Christian Cage and Willow Nightingale v Mercedes Mone were both pretty good.

Swerve v Christian was the best example of a younger guy and an experienced pro coming together really well. Swerve brought the modern element to this match with his speed and fast-paced offence. But Christian was the one running the show; slowing things down, milking the crowd and trying to cheat to win. In a world where everyone wants to be a 'cool heel' its refreshing to see someone like Christian who just wants to be a heel. And though nobody thought Swerve was losing this going into the match, I feel like Christian had the crowd fooled with one particular near fall in this match. Which just speaks to his brilliance as a wrestler.

Willow v Mercedes was one of the better women's matches I've seen in AEW. Stylistically, it was quite similar to Shawn v Diesel or Shawn v Vader, where the little guy (in this case little girl) has to find a way to outsmart the bigger, more powerful opponent. Mercedes had a really good showing here and I thought Willow more than held her own.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
As he was doing it, I was thinking that there's no way that this can end well for him, a 50 year old wrestler with a history of injuries. But then when I saw him finish the match, I was relieved. Ofcourse I was wrong.

And yeah, that's the most disappointing thing about this. That he's a guy who has done this stuff during the early part of his career and suffered greatly because of it. Yet he still chose to do something so reckless, just for a cheap pop?

I also don't get why a cage match just has to have weapons, tables and an elaborate stunt involving the cage? What happened to using the cage itself as a cheese grater on your opponent's forehead? Why can't everyone just watch Tully v Magnum TA at Starrcade before they go out and do their sh!tty version of a cage match?
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that's why some wrestlers need restrictions to do better.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I just hope MJF doesn't start a feud with Adam Cole's band of jobbers. I love Roddy as a wrestler but he too has been treated much like a joke in AEW. The evil heel faction of masked men that was responsible for all those seemingly evil things, and who were built up for months are now just a bunch of names on the roster. They have zero heat and the fact that they decided to use Adam Cole in his whole angle as the puppet-master, leader (eventhough he was injured) has completely buried him too. There is zero interest in an MJF v Adam Cole match now. Just move on and give MJF an interesting opponent that helps him get back to the top of the card.
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Adam Cole is the only one of the new crop that can hold his own against MJF in the ring and on mic IMO. Expect them to do well in the feud.
 
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BunnyRabbit said:
Adam Cole is the only one of the new crop that hold his own against MJF in the ring and on mic IMO. Expect them to do well in the feud.
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This feud had heat 5 months ago. Now everybody has moved on and nobody cares anymore. What has Adam Cole achieved exactly? MJF has come back before him. They shouldn't have revealed Cole as the puppet master if they knew that he can't wrestle for months. Now this feud is dead in the water.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This feud had heat 5 months ago. Now everybody has moved on and nobody cares anymore. What has Adam Cole achieved exactly? MJF has come back before him. They shouldn't have revealed Cole as the puppet master if they knew that he can't wrestle for months. Now this feud is dead in the water.
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If in the mean time he was built as the Undisputed Era Adam and maybe even got a run with the belt, they could have taken the story to the next level, MJF/Cole at Wembley again, but this Cole has the title etc it would have been money
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This feud had heat 5 months ago. Now everybody has moved on and nobody cares anymore. What has Adam Cole achieved exactly? MJF has come back before him. They shouldn't have revealed Cole as the puppet master if they knew that he can't wrestle for months. Now this feud is dead in the water.
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yes knowing he was injured, they shouldn't have revealed him to be the attacker especially when they knew in advance both wouldn't be able to compete for months after the reveal.
but there storyline was good not gonna lie. him and mjf made the most of that storyline last year. wasn't quite KO-Y2J level good but it was entertaining.
the follow up has been awful. from the unimaginative name like Undisputed Kingdom and the names involved in the stable are woeful really. Taven and Bennett are jobbers. Wardlow hasn't done anything since his feud with MJF either.
 
shaz619 said:
If in the mean time he was built as the Undisputed Era Adam and maybe even got a run with the belt, they could have taken the story to the next level, MJF/Cole at Wembley again, but this Cole has the title etc it would have been money
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Yeah had he not gotten injured and beaten MJF when Joe beat him. And they do the reveal of Cole being the devil there too. Then this would have been great. But once Cole got injured, there was still a chance of salvaging this feud by putting it on ice and restarting it once both guys had fully recovered.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
As he was doing it, I was thinking that there's no way that this can end well for him, a 50 year old wrestler with a history of injuries. But then when I saw him finish the match, I was relieved. Ofcourse I was wrong.

And yeah, that's the most disappointing thing about this. That he's a guy who has done this stuff during the early part of his career and suffered greatly because of it. Yet he still chose to do something so reckless, just for a cheap pop?

I also don't get why a cage match just has to have weapons, tables and an elaborate stunt involving the cage? What happened to using the cage itself as a cheese grater on your opponent's forehead? Why can't everyone just watch Tully v Magnum TA at Starrcade before they go out and do their sh!tty version of a cage match?
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Am just watching Liv/Becky and they appear to understand the concept of having a steel cage match much better and using it more like the cheese grater you mentioned, the only thing missing is blood. Why can’t Arn remind them of those matches? or how about Starccade 83 A Flair For The Gold, my favourite cage match ever and Flair’s true crowning moment and passing of the torch, think he won the belt a few times before that but it didn’t get over as big, and the confusing status around the NWA championship didn’t help, but he should be a lesson to all those who go over for the championship but then have to claw back
 
I had tears listening to that AJ promo, it hit me when he said how long he been doing this, Cory talking about how he met him during the NWA Wildeside days was cool to I felt he did a great job throughout the segment here and really sold the angle. When AJ implies the ‘R’ word, you watch your whole childhood flash by. I enjoyed that and the switch, they been teasing this in the past weeks given AJ’s desperation to secure another shot.

Never trust a wrestler in a coloured suit.
 

SmackDown Results: May 31, 2024​

  • Tommaso Ciampa def. Austin Theory
  • Andrade def. Apollo Crews
  • The Bloodline def. The Street Profits
  • Chelsea Green & Piper Niven def. Bayley & Naomi
 
shaz619 said:
I had tears listening to that AJ promo, it hit me when he said how long he been doing this, Cory talking about how he met him during the NWA Wildeside days was cool to I felt he did a great job throughout the segment here and really sold the angle. When AJ implies the ‘R’ word, you watch your whole childhood flash by. I enjoyed that and the switch, they been teasing this in the past weeks given AJ’s desperation to secure another shot.

Never trust a wrestler in a coloured suit.
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the moment i saw aj in that suit, i started to think, this is going to be another mark henry swerve.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
the moment i saw aj in that suit, i started to think, this is going to be another mark henry swerve.
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Finally we get a longer programme between AJ/Cody.

I also fear we’re in the twilight of AN’s career, he will probably hang it up in 12-18 months, this could be the last world championship programme for him
 
shaz619 said:
Finally we get a longer programme between AJ/Cody.

I also fear we’re in the twilight of AN’s career, he will probably hang it up in 12-18 months, this could be the last world championship programme for him
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Can see him maintaining his high standard for 2-3 years easily but depends how his body feels behind the curtains.
 
shaz619 said:
Finally we get a longer programme between AJ/Cody.

I also fear we’re in the twilight of AN’s career, he will probably hang it up in 12-18 months, this could be the last world championship programme for him
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AJ has done brilliantly as a heel in WWE. Expecting him to go full tilt in this feud. Would add much needed life in Cody's run.
 
shaz619 said:
Finally we get a longer programme between AJ/Cody.

I also fear we’re in the twilight of AN’s career, he will probably hang it up in 12-18 months, this could be the last world championship programme for him
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Finally they came to their senses. You could see it coming a mile away but that doesn't mean it wasn't beautifully executed. Sometimes in wrestling, the obvious thing to do is the right thing to do. AJ does seem closer to the end. I'd be disappointed if we don't get AJ v Punk, even as just a match. I feel like AJ v Nick Aldis could be really interesting too if they decide to do it.

But with AJ v Cody II they have to step up the stakes. I think it should be 2/3 falls.
 
Looks like they are coming to their senses with L.A Knight as well. But something tells me they are going to drag out L.A's US title win till SummerSlam. They will probably give Logan Paul a win as well before L.A. beats him in the rematch.
 
shaz619 said:
Am just watching Liv/Becky and they appear to understand the concept of having a steel cage match much better and using it more like the cheese grater you mentioned, the only thing missing is blood. Why can’t Arn remind them of those matches? or how about Starccade 83 A Flair For The Gold, my favourite cage match ever and Flair’s true crowning moment and passing of the torch, think he won the belt a few times before that but it didn’t get over as big, and the confusing status around the NWA championship didn’t help, but he should be a lesson to all those who go over for the championship but then have to claw back
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Tbh, WWE steel cage matches struggle with their own issues. For one thing, the escaping the cage option is so dumb. It's something I've never liked about their cage matches. Kinda defies the point of having a cage match in the first place. WWE's real steel cage match is ofcourse the Hell in the Cell and that too is rife with much of the same sh!t these days with tables, chairs, kendo sticks brought in. They haven't even spared WarGames. I guess it is more of a symptom of the modern day style but its still annoying af because weapons and furniture are already too overused in wrestling.

Ah that's a great match. But I dunno. I feel like even if some of these people saw these matches they wouldn't know what to do.

Apparently Arn is on his way out of AEW too.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Can see him maintaining his high standard for 2-3 years easily but depends how his body feels behind the curtains.
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I agree with you that he can, but I feel he wont, Styles has always spoken about retiring sooner rather than later
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Tbh, WWE steel cage matches struggle with their own issues. For one thing, the escaping the cage option is so dumb. It's something I've never liked about their cage matches. Kinda defies the point of having a cage match in the first place. WWE's real steel cage match is ofcourse the Hell in the Cell and that too is rife with much of the same sh!t these days with tables, chairs, kendo sticks brought in. They haven't even spared WarGames. I guess it is more of a symptom of the modern day style but its still annoying af because weapons and furniture are already too overused in wrestling.

Ah that's a great match. But I dunno. I feel like even if some of these people saw these matches they wouldn't know what to do.

Apparently Arn is on his way out of AEW too.
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Yeah I’ve become numb to the rules now and some of the spots, WWE did them best maybe during the Golden Generation and/or RA era. AEW have just taken it too far. Unfortunately we have very few stars who respect history, CM Punk has the more memorable matches because he is a student of the game, I wish he had a steel cage match with MJF just to show all the kids how it’s done.
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah I’ve become numb to the rules now and some of the spots, WWE did them best maybe during the Golden Generation and/or RA era. AEW have just taken it too far. Unfortunately we have very few stars who respect history, CM Punk has the more memorable matches because he is a student of the game, I wish he had a steel cage match with MJF just to show all the kids how it’s done.
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In the RA days, this type of stuff was common but still those matches felt special because they were done once in a while on PPV. Not on every episode of RAW. AEW has taken everything to the extreme and as a result nothing means anything. Remember when Moxley was bleeding in every single match? I'm just glad that has stopped.

True. I also feel like they have gravitated towards the surface level aspects of wrestling like spots and cheap pops but have completely missed out on the psychology that makes it all work.

That would have brilliant. In AEW, I think only Cody has tried to have a normal Steel Cage match against Wardlow which I enjoyed. TNA has done some good ones though they copy the WWE rules so you have to leave your brain at the door there too.
 
@shaz619 Time to turn Swerve heel again? I know we keep talking about AEW's inability to create babyfaces but I feel like anyone on that roster will have a tough time being a top babyface when Ospreay and MJF are around. I also think that its not a good look on the World Champion to be the No. 3 babyface on the roster.

Swerve is a natural heel and turning him back or maybe even making him a tweener could open up more interesting match-ups against Ospreay, MJF, Danielson, Moxley, Edge, Omega.

I think right now their goal should be to put the belt on Ospreay at Wembley and go All In on him as their top babyface. MJF and Omega (whenever he comes back) are strong enough to stay relevant even if they don't have the belt. And nothing against Swerve, who is super talented but he isn't MJF or Ospreay. Also feel like AEW probably waited too long to pull the trigger on him and now he doesn't feel as hot as he was a few months ago.
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah I’ve become numb to the rules now and some of the spots, WWE did them best maybe during the Golden Generation and/or RA era. AEW have just taken it too far. Unfortunately we have very few stars who respect history, CM Punk has the more memorable matches because he is a student of the game, I wish he had a steel cage match with MJF just to show all the kids how it’s done.
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Steel Cage matches went bonkers once they made escaping via simply opening the door a legal thing in that. Takes away everything an open ceiling cage is supposed to add.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
In the RA days, this type of stuff was common but still those matches felt special because they were done once in a while on PPV. Not on every episode of RAW. AEW has taken everything to the extreme and as a result nothing means anything. Remember when Moxley was bleeding in every single match? I'm just glad that has stopped.

True. I also feel like they have gravitated towards the surface level aspects of wrestling like spots and cheap pops but have completely missed out on the psychology that makes it all work.

That would have brilliant. In AEW, I think only Cody has tried to have a normal Steel Cage match against Wardlow which I enjoyed. TNA has done some good ones though they copy the WWE rules so you have to leave your brain at the door there too.
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For some reason, I kinda enjoyed JBL's steel cage matches back in 2005. His steel cage matches vs Eddie Gurrerro and Big Show were too good.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
For some reason, I kinda enjoyed JBL's steel cage matches back in 2005. His steel cage matches vs Eddie Gurrerro and Big Show were too good.
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I remember kinda hating the Big Show one. I think that too was a Barbed Wire Steel Cage match. Don't remember the Eddie one.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Steel Cage matches went bonkers once they made escaping via simply opening the door a legal thing in that. Takes away everything an open ceiling cage is supposed to add.
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It's just the way it is I've become numb to it, I can't recall the last great cage match which at least didn't have interference or too many weapons
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 Time to turn Swerve heel again? I know we keep talking about AEW's inability to create babyfaces but I feel like anyone on that roster will have a tough time being a top babyface when Ospreay and MJF are around. I also think that its not a good look on the World Champion to be the No. 3 babyface on the roster.

Swerve is a natural heel and turning him back or maybe even making him a tweener could open up more interesting match-ups against Ospreay, MJF, Danielson, Moxley, Edge, Omega.

I think right now their goal should be to put the belt on Ospreay at Wembley and go All In on him as their top babyface. MJF and Omega (whenever he comes back) are strong enough to stay relevant even if they don't have the belt. And nothing against Swerve, who is super talented but he isn't MJF or Ospreay. Also feel like AEW probably waited too long to pull the trigger on him and now he doesn't feel as hot as he was a few months ago.
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I'm with you there, can't say I am a huge fan. Guys who I think can carry the strap well:

- Ospreay
- Omega
- MJF
- Ricky Starks
- Christian Cage (because I trust him not to do stupid spots like Edg or shoot in the ring like Bryan)
- Adam Cole

*Subject to coherent booking.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I remember kinda hating the Big Show one. I think that too was a Barbed Wire Steel Cage match. Don't remember the Eddie one.
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barbed wire at the top was a silly idea which made escaping sorta impossible that way. It added to Big Show's aura and dominance who was still good enough for top card. It told a pretty good story that Big Show could escape by breaking the cage door lock with his bare hands but that escaping through the broken ring was smart and added to JBL's chicken heel shtick.
 
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shaz619 said:
It's just the way it is I've become numb to it, I can't recall the last great cage match which at least didn't have interference or too many weapons
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I liked Hardy Boyz vs Sheamus and Cesaro Steel Cage match back in 2017. That's probably the only wwe tag team steel cage match that i have seen.
 

WWE RAW LINEUP: June 3, 2024​

  • Damian Priest vs. Rey Mysterio
  • Ludwig Kaiser vs. Sheamus
  • The New Day (Kofi Kingston & Xavier Woods) vs. Authors of Pain (Akam & Rezar)
  • Women’s World Champion Liv Morgan appears
 
shaz619 said:
I'm with you there, can't say I am a huge fan. Guys who I think can carry the strap well:

- Ospreay
- Omega
- MJF
- Ricky Starks
- Christian Cage (because I trust him not to do stupid spots like Edg or shoot in the ring like Bryan)
- Adam Cole

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AEW badly needs a Christian Cage World title run. He is the only guy on their roster right now besides MJF who can work a high-quality and logical main-event match. Christian v MJF could be a money feud although right now I think Christian is in need of some credibility because he has put over Edge and Swerve back to back.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
barbed wire at the top was a silly idea which made escaping sorta impossible that way. It added to Big Show's aura and dominance who was still good enough for top card. It told a pretty good story that Big Show could escape by breaking the cage door lock with his bare hands but that escaping through the broken ring was smart and added to JBL's chicken heel shtick.
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I mostly hated SmackDown from that period so I don't remember any of this. Eddie's run and JBL's run are the only bright-spots from that year for me. But I do remember stuff I hated like this match or Undertaker main-evening a PPV against the Dudley Boyz.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I mostly hated SmackDown from that period so I don't remember any of this. Eddie's run and JBL's run are the only bright-spots from that year for me. But I do remember stuff I hated like this match or Undertaker main-evening a PPV against the Dudley Boyz.
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I loved Taker's much needed return as The Deadman. Although he should have won more World titles in that run.
His match vs Angle at No Way Out was something else.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I mostly hated SmackDown from that period so I don't remember any of this. Eddie's run and JBL's run are the only bright-spots from that year for me. But I do remember stuff I hated like this match or Undertaker main-evening a PPV against the Dudley Boyz.
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Cena used to be the best thing about SD during that time alongside Kurt Angle. I hated Taker-heidenreich feud though
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
AEW badly needs a Christian Cage World title run. He is the only guy on their roster right now besides MJF who can work a high-quality and logical main-event match. Christian v MJF could be a money feud although right now I think Christian is in need of some credibility because he has put over Edge and Swerve back to back.
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I thought he beat Omega for it a few years ago, turns out I was wrong. I do recall Christain main eventing their WM equivalent for the title and he had a great match
 
shaz619 said:
I thought he beat Omega for it a few years ago, turns out I was wrong. I do recall Christain main eventing their WM equivalent for the title and he had a great match
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He did beat Omega but it was for the Impact World title, on the debut episode of Rampage. They did that match just before the PPV to give Christian something because nobody expected Omega to lose at the PPV.

Yup. That PPV is still their best and biggest ever in terms of PPV buys. Granted, it was Punk returning that probably drew that number. But Christian main-evented that PPV. And I agree, it was a great match.
 
hassan918 said:

WWE RAW LINEUP: June 3, 2024​

  • Damian Priest vs. Rey Mysterio
  • Ludwig Kaiser vs. Sheamus
  • The New Day (Kofi Kingston & Xavier Woods) vs. Authors of Pain (Akam & Rezar)
  • Women’s World Champion Liv Morgan appears
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Raw Results: June 3. 2024​

  • Ludwig Kaiser def. Sheamus
  • Finn Bálor def. Dragon Lee
  • Bron Breakker def. Ricochet
  • Kiana James def. Natalya
  • Braun Strowman def. Carlito
  • Jade Cargill & Bianca Belair def. Shayna Baszler & Zoey Stark via disqualification - WWE Women's Tag Team Title Match
  • Authors of Pain def. The New Day
  • Damian Priest def. Rey Mysterio
 
@shaz619 I saw the first episode of Who Killed WCW? and gotta say really liked it. It treads some familiar ground but it's nice to see a documentary on WCW where the WWE hasn't completely whitewashed history. It's produced by The Rock's company and the Dark Side of the Ring folks so the production quality is top-notch and its focused heavily on the talking heads (pretty great cast) giving their opinions on WCW's various eff ups, which makes it quite entertaining.

The highlight of the first episode was Bret, Konnan, Booker T and Nash taking turns burying Hogan and the Starrcade '97 finish.

Can't wait for when they get to '99 so I can hear Bret bury Goldberg and everybody bury Russo.
 
Since Sheamus returned, he is more of a 2nd tier guy in WWE now. No real hype for him.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Since Sheamus returned, he is more of a 2nd tier guy in WWE now. No real hype for him.
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He came back earlier then he was expecting, out of shape. I don’t know if that was by design because he is a thorough professional and generally works well with all the top talent
 
Current MJF's face promo style is pretty similar to how Jericho used to do it back in the day.
 
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@BunnyRabbit Couldn’t handle Pakistan’s showing today so much, that he decided to watch an episode of AEW Dynamite instead.

Note @RedwoodOriginal
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Pakistan cricket hasn't depressed me like this since 2007. They've completely sucked out any excitement I had about this tournament. Don't think I'll be watching much cricket in the coming days.

This is why I love wrestling because wrestling doesn't disappoint you like this. It gives you an escapism that few things can compare to.
 
shaz619 said:
@BunnyRabbit Couldn’t handle Pakistan’s showing today so much, that he decided to watch an episode of AEW Dynamite instead.

Note @RedwoodOriginal
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Haha I just started watching. I thought MJF's opening promo was outstanding. Great way to put the roster on notice and tease the big money future match-ups. It was great to see MJF taking his classical edgelord digs at Ospreay, Swerve, Okada etc. Normally, I would not care much about a match between MJF and Rush, because Rush has not been booked in any kind of coherent or consistent way ever since he got to AEW. But even Rush looked like a credible threat here. But this is still a Dynamite match, not a PPV match.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Since Sheamus returned, he is more of a 2nd tier guy in WWE now. No real hype for him.
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The only time in recent years that I recall Sheamus having any sort of hype was during that feud with Gunther last year. Otherwise he has been a midcard/upper midcard guy for the better part of the last decade.
 
Chris Jericho is probably doing some of the worst work of his career right now. He is really hamming it up and none of it is any good. Not only is his gimmick painfully obvious and lame, its also not interesting in any way and does nothing for Big Bill or Brian Keith, who come across as a bunch of cartoonish lackeys.

Sad to see a man who was once one of the greatest minds in the business sink to such lows.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The only time in recent years that I recall Sheamus having any sort of hype was during that feud with Gunther last year. Otherwise he has been a midcard/upper midcard guy for the better part of the last decade.
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Once he was bound to be the top guy but now he is nowhere near to be one of them. Maybe they should start Gunther feud again. Nothing better than having a feud with the king of the ring.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Once he was bound to be the top guy but now he is nowhere near to be one of them. Maybe they should start Gunther feud again. Nothing better than having a feud with the king of the ring
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Personally, I never got it with Sheamus. Even when he was featured at the top of the card. I never thought that he had anything on guys like Cena, Punk, Orton, Bryan. He's a solid wrestler who can deliver 'bangers' but I don't think he ever had enough promo ability or charisma to be a top guy.

The Gunther feud has been milked about as far as it could have been I think. They got a Sheamus/Gunther/Drew and Gunther/Drew feud out of that too. Best to move on. Because Gunther is booked very strong so the only person that will be losing in that feud is Sheamus.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Personally, I never got it with Sheamus. Even when he was featured at the top of the card. I never thought that he had anything on guys like Cena, Punk, Orton, Bryan. He's a solid wrestler who can deliver 'bangers' but I don't think he ever had enough promo ability or charisma to be a top guy.

The Gunther feud has been milked about as far as it could have been I think. They got a Sheamus/Gunther/Drew and Gunther/Drew feud out of that too. Best to move on. Because Gunther is booked very strong so the only person that will be losing in that feud is Sheamus.
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Even then i think sheamus is still the most over in wwe, he's ever been during his tenure. He is charismatic but lacks something to make things work most of the time something Drew definitely possesses.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Chris Jericho is probably doing some of the worst work of his career right now. He is really hamming it up and none of it is any good. Not only is his gimmick painfully obvious and lame, its also not interesting in any way and does nothing for Big Bill or Brian Keith, who come across as a bunch of cartoonish lackeys.

Sad to see a man who was once one of the greatest minds in the business sink to such lows.
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He's just catering to Mean Mark Meltzer right now
Even aew die hards won't be enjoying his run right now
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He's just catering to Mean Mark Meltzer right now
Even aew die hards won't be enjoying his run right now
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When the crowd is literally chanting "please retire", I don't see how you can spin that as a positive.

That's not heat, that's go-away heat. Which is something Jericho should seriously consider doing.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
When the crowd is literally chanting "please retire", I don't see how you can spin that as a positive.

That's not heat, that's go-away heat. Which is something Jericho should seriously consider doing.
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he's making 1 million+ USD through wrestling contract for the first time in his life. He's probably just looking to milk 1 or 2 more years via same contract and just looking to make as much as possible. Funny how he used to say he won't embarrass himself while hanging on for too long.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
When the crowd is literally chanting "please retire", I don't see how you can spin that as a positive.

That's not heat, that's go-away heat. Which is something Jericho should seriously consider doing.
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He needs to come home, but Triple H has changed the locks and would Jericho want to work under a man so instrumental in damaging his career trajectory, Jericho got PTSD from it and from all that abuse, ended up becoming the very thing he hated.

Ideally he’d have one last programme which he gives everything and then retires at Mania, then helps development talent on the side and can do his gigs with Fozzy to
 
Over time Jericho’s personality has rapidly changed, he use to be a genuine locker room leader and hero to so many of the workers, and he thrived on being that guy to and wanting to help everybody out. Now he’s the complete opposite, his personal life choices have been strange; things have been turbulent for him and he has a very weird set up. It’s like he has given up on life, family and all his values. I am pretty certain he is using hard to and the pressure to maintain his persona whether in wrestling or music has created a monster.
 
Ultimately, Triple H has created the monster.

It’s like Victor Frankenstein & the creature he made.
 
shaz619 said:
He needs to come home, but Triple H has changed the locks and would Jericho want to work under a man so instrumental in damaging his career trajectory, Jericho got PTSD from it and from all that abuse, ended up becoming the very thing he hated.

Ideally he’d have one last programme which he gives everything and then retires at Mania, then helps development talent on the side and can do his gigs with Fozzy to
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Just look at how Jericho looked and conducted himself prior to 2019 when he still looked in great shape, was humble and reasonable, and always spoke like a true professional. Money has simply blinded him. He keeps saying the reason he left wwe was he was relegated to being the second match at Mania 33 against KO from the supposed main event he was promised by Vince (which seems very un-Jericho as well). Now he simply looks like a washed up, bloated, booze addled middle aged guy who is simply too full of himself. He's simply lost his self-awareness.
I expect Tony to be offering him all the money to keep him signed to AEW in any capacity, I won't rule out Jericho taking some fancy post like President of AEW or Vice President etc.
The thing is, Jericho could simply clean up his act and go back to his roots and does one final program in WWE and saying all he did in last few years was a part of his plan but it just seems to good to be true.
 
shaz619 said:
Ultimately, Triple H has created the monster.

It’s like Victor Frankenstein & the creature he made.
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Nah Trips tried to sabotage Dwayne as well but he's kept his calm and is still above Trips in the company he tried to take over for over 2 decades.
 
Lol. this guy makes funny parodies.
If he's half decent in ring, he should be signed by WWE.
 

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shaz619 said:
He needs to come home, but Triple H has changed the locks and would Jericho want to work under a man so instrumental in damaging his career trajectory, Jericho got PTSD from it and from all that abuse, ended up becoming the very thing he hated.

Ideally he’d have one last programme which he gives everything and then retires at Mania, then helps development talent on the side and can do his gigs with Fozzy to
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I think he's still enjoying the creative freedom and money for not doing that much. H is enough of a businessman to put whatever history he has with Jericho aside for one last run. But question is, do you want him to come back right now? Because right now, he's overweight, his work in the ring is sloppy and his segments are awful. He isn't exactly someone that WWE will go after especially when they have all that main-event level talent on their roster.
 
shaz619 said:
Over time Jericho’s personality has rapidly changed, he use to be a genuine locker room leader and hero to so many of the workers, and he thrived on being that guy to and wanting to help everybody out. Now he’s the complete opposite, his personal life choices have been strange; things have been turbulent for him and he has a very weird set up. It’s like he has given up on life, family and all his values. I am pretty certain he is using hard to and the pressure to maintain his persona whether in wrestling or music has created a monster.
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He seems to be hitting the booze pretty hard. You can tell that just by looking at his face and that beer belly. He looks burnt out. Finding out he's a Trump supporter whose wife went to the insurrection was also surprising, because I always thought he was a smart and intelligent guy. Is there anything else I'm missing?
 
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