The Wrestling Discussion Thread

I think he's still enjoying the creative freedom and money for not doing that much. H is enough of a businessman to put whatever history he has with Jericho aside for one last run. But question is, do you want him to come back right now? Because right now, he's overweight, his work in the ring is sloppy and his segments are awful. He isn't exactly someone that WWE will go after especially when they have all that main-event level talent on their roster.

H isn’t a businessman that’s Nick Khan, H will always be a worker at heart a very mediocre one, with severe insecurities, with a guy like Y2J who’d need the management/leadership I don’t know, it was Nick Khan who Punk mainly credits for his return, H was forced to bend the knee.

Ignoring H, in the ideal world the WWE set up would provide Jericho more order and structure not possible in AEW, and therefore a better Jericho.
 
This Gable Vs Zayn storyline is fantastic. Overshadowing everything else in the company.

Interested to see how the Creed Brothers & Ivy Nile will get involved. Otis being booked liked 2020. Good stuff so far
 
This Gable Vs Zayn storyline is fantastic. Overshadowing everything else in the company.

Interested to see how the Creed Brothers & Ivy Nile will get involved. Otis being booked liked 2020. Good stuff so far

Gable will never be even a Chinese Kurt Angle though, he gets too much praise for a guy I can never see being a legit champion
 
Gable will never be even a Chinese Kurt Angle though, he gets too much praise for a guy I can never see being a legit champion
I feel like he really deserves it. Especially after being booked so poorly for so long. He's outstanding in the ring and an underrated promo. He's not a main-eventer but he can still be a great midcard heel/IC Champion.
 
Really digging this Clash At the Castle card. Looks like another <3 hour PPV and boasts atleast 3 matches that I am interested to see. They put alot of Scottish representation on the card too with Alba Fyre, Isla Dawn, Piper Niven and Drew, which is nice. Ultimately though I am most interested in one match and that's Drew v Priest. Not just for that 'Bret in Canada' reaction but also to see where this story with Drew goes. Perhaps Punk interferes for some nuclear level heat? Because Priest v Gunther seems like a more natural match-up to me for SummerSlam. I wouldn't want Gunther to beat McIntyre again and McIntyre being screwed by Punk gives him more ammunition to come after Punk at SummerSlam.
 

WWE Raw (June 10, 2024): Confirmed Matches​

  • Lyra Valkyria vs IYO SKY
  • Sami Zayn vs Otis
  • Ilja Dragunov vs Bron Breakker

Raw Results: June 10, 2024​

  • IYO SKY def. Lyra Valkyria
  • Rey Mysterio, Dragon Lee & Braun Strowman def. “Dirty” Dominik Mysterio, JD McDonagh & Carlito
  • Sami Zayn def. Otis
  • Shayna Baszler & Zoey Stark def. Alba Fyre & Isla Dawn
  • Bron Breakker def. Ilja Dragunov
  • Awesome Truth def. Authors of Pain - World Tag Team Title Match
  • Drew McIntyre def. Finn Bálor
 
This Gable Vs Zayn storyline is fantastic. Overshadowing everything else in the company.

Interested to see how the Creed Brothers & Ivy Nile will get involved. Otis being booked liked 2020. Good stuff so far
that's because wwe has been quite boring since mania. they really haven't had any good plans in place apart from maybe AJ vs Cody.
bloodline under solo is devoid of all the aura.
 
Gable will never be even a Chinese Kurt Angle though, he gets too much praise for a guy I can never see being a legit champion
comparing anyone with kurt would make for an impossible mountain to climb but i agree gable isn't really main event level.
 
Really digging this Clash At the Castle card. Looks like another <3 hour PPV and boasts atleast 3 matches that I am interested to see. They put alot of Scottish representation on the card too with Alba Fyre, Isla Dawn, Piper Niven and Drew, which is nice. Ultimately though I am most interested in one match and that's Drew v Priest. Not just for that 'Bret in Canada' reaction but also to see where this story with Drew goes. Perhaps Punk interferes for some nuclear level heat? Because Priest v Gunther seems like a more natural match-up to me for SummerSlam. I wouldn't want Gunther to beat McIntyre again and McIntyre being screwed by Punk gives him more ammunition to come after Punk at SummerSlam.
why would they want to have the crowd boo punk?
 
why would they want to have the crowd boo punk?
I think it makes sense and actually looks kinda cool for the heel to be cheered in his hometown. One of the reasons why Punk beating Cena at MITB 2011 was so memorable was because of the reaction Punk got from his Chicago faithful despite being a heel. Same for Austin when they did Team Bret v Team Austin at the Canadian Stampede PPV in Calgary or Edge when he had that TLC match against Cena in Toronto.
 
I think it makes sense and actually looks kinda cool for the heel to be cheered in his hometown. One of the reasons why Punk beating Cena at MITB 2011 was so memorable was because of the reaction Punk got from his Chicago faithful despite being a heel. Same for Austin when they did Team Bret v Team Austin at the Canadian Stampede PPV in Calgary or Edge when he had that TLC match against Cena in Toronto.
They even booked Drew like a face this week. He was interacting cheerfully with the crowd. That segment with Sheamus as well was a face Drew. If anything, it was JD who were uber heels there.
Balor will be cheered a lot in Scotland as well. Hope he gets booked for a match too.
 
comparing anyone with kurt would make for an impossible mountain to climb but i agree gable isn't really main event level.

That’s the trend these days, he is being pushed as the second coming of Angle when he is beneath Perry Saturn
 
I feel like he really deserves it. Especially after being booked so poorly for so long. He's outstanding in the ring and an underrated promo. He's not a main-eventer but he can still be a great midcard heel/IC Champion.

I think Gable could really boost the speed division and give people more reason to watch that
 
They even booked Drew like a face this week. He was interacting cheerfully with the crowd. That segment with Sheamus as well was a face Drew. If anything, it was JD who were uber heels there.
Balor will be cheered a lot in Scotland as well. Hope he gets booked for a match too.
I think that's just fans being marks cheering for the cool heel. When he came to the ring people chanted CM Punk at him and if Punk was in the ring with him I'm certain Drew would be booed like a heel. Plus, Priest is stuck in the weird position where he is essentially a babyface in a heel stable. So fans aren't quite sure how to react to that.

I don't think Balor or JD is involved in a major feud with anyone right now. And I would want to keep him away from the Priest/McIntyre match so he doesn't take any of the attention away from Drew. Because this PPV should be built around Drew. He's Scotland's biggest wrestling star and he's more interesting than he has ever been. If I were WWE I'd want to cash off of that value and present Drew as the biggest star on that show.
 
Ricochet leaving WWE is actually a good move for him creatively. He has reached his ceiling in WWE, and as talented as he is in the ring, he was never going to be World Champion or be booked with any kind of seriousness. Also, regardless of what you may think of him, I think he deserves better than jobbing to Logan Paul. Alot of times we hope for certain guys to leave AEW and go to WWE. In Ricochet's case, I think it's the opposite and AEW is the perfect place for him because he can have all those 6 star dream matches that the AEW fans live for and be treated like a major star despite his lack of personality and ability on the mic. I'm sure Tony has already written a massive cheque and is already thinking of what will be the perfect place to debut him.

That said, while it will be a great move for him creatively, I don't know how great it will be for his body. Because Ricochet seems like someone who will give into his worst tendencies in that environment where there is no control or restraint.
 
Nah that's just a dumb idea. I don't think you can give any sane wrestling fan a good reason to watch that.

It’s dumber to put that midget in a championship program, going from Gunther to that. Speed isn’t going anywhere, the hardcore Gable loyalists will have something to cheer, he could directly replace Ricochet!
 
Ricochet leaving WWE is actually a good move for him creatively. He has reached his ceiling in WWE, and as talented as he is in the ring, he was never going to be World Champion or be booked with any kind of seriousness. Also, regardless of what you may think of him, I think he deserves better than jobbing to Logan Paul. Alot of times we hope for certain guys to leave AEW and go to WWE. In Ricochet's case, I think it's the opposite and AEW is the perfect place for him because he can have all those 6 star dream matches that the AEW fans live for and be treated like a major star despite his lack of personality and ability on the mic. I'm sure Tony has already written a massive cheque and is already thinking of what will be the perfect place to debut him.

That said, while it will be a great move for him creatively, I don't know how great it will be for his body. Because Ricochet seems like someone who will give into his worst tendencies in that environment where there is no control or restraint.

H buried him because he is best mates with Ospreay, beating up Ricochet was revenge for Ospreay’s comments and the way he got abused on the way out was probably because he is headed for AEW.

Ricochet was a WWE lifer and had immense potential with a mask, there’s not a thing he wouldn’t do for them, his booking got worse under H
 
It’s dumber to put that midget in a championship program, going from Gunther to that. Speed isn’t going anywhere, the hardcore Gable loyalists will have something to cheer, he could directly replace Ricochet!
Being a midget doesn't take away from his talent and ability in the ring. And in this era, size does not matter as much as it has in the past. Gable can have great matches with anyone on the roster. And that's the problem. He's been used like a jobber for far too long. He deserves a push where he is treated with some kind of seriousness.
 
Being a midget doesn't take away from his talent and ability in the ring. And in this era, size does not matter as much as it did under Vince. Gable can have great matches with anyone on the roster. And that's the problem. He's been used like a jobber for far too long. He deserves a push where he is treated with some kind of seriousness.

We’re also in an era where the big guys can really go in the ring to, so for me the little guys need to be very special to justify a high level push, otherwise it’s a little difficult to suspend your disbelief. Somebody like Ricochet was more worthy and had a much higher ceiling, and good for Gable he got something to do and can go in the ring, the comparisons with Angle are laughable however.
 
H buried him because he is best mates with Ospreay, beating up Ricochet was revenge for Ospreay’s comments and the way he got abused on the way out was probably because he is headed for AEW.

Ricochet was a WWE lifer and had immense potential with a mask, there’s not a thing he wouldn’t do for them, his booking got worse under H
It definitely is a big loss for them. I think Ricochet kinda got sick of his treatment. I can't imagine that he would want to leave with his girlfriend being there. I even remember seeing a WWE Network doc. a while back where he said that it was his dream to be in WWE. But I don't think he had much of a choice.
 
It definitely is a big loss for them. I think Ricochet kinda got sick of his treatment. I can't imagine that he would want to leave with his girlfriend being there. I even remember seeing a WWE Network doc. a while back where he said that it was his dream to be in WWE. But I don't think he had much of a choice.

He is leaving with The Rock on the TKO board, a guy he idolised. Am surprised Rock hasn’t stepped in to veto H’s awful booking of Ricochet. They probably confirmed they were not going to repackage him or do something more positive, with H in charge, who is consistent in where he positions you with nothing in between, there’s little hope for him.

On paper he’d be a good fit for AEW, but they are scraping at the bottom of the barrel right now.
 
I think that's just fans being marks cheering for the cool heel. When he came to the ring people chanted CM Punk at him and if Punk was in the ring with him I'm certain Drew would be booed like a heel. Plus, Priest is stuck in the weird position where he is essentially a babyface in a heel stable. So fans aren't quite sure how to react to that.

I don't think Balor or JD is involved in a major feud with anyone right now. And I would want to keep him away from the Priest/McIntyre match so he doesn't take any of the attention away from Drew. Because this PPV should be built around Drew. He's Scotland's biggest wrestling star and he's more interesting than he has ever been. If I were WWE I'd want to cash off of that value and present Drew as the biggest star on that show.
Drew is the biggest star on Raw certainly (not counting part timers).
I still don't think Drew is as hot as when he did after winning Rumble in 2020.
But Drew and Sheamus were acting like buddies on Raw again. They even did that banger after banger chant together. And Drew was interacting with fans like a face during his entrance. I don't know whether the creative knows who's the heel and who's the face right now because Drew was definitely presented like a face yesterday.

The thing about Priest is, as good as he is, he seems a little undercooked for a world title run. He suddenly won the title at mania without having been built up enough. He was just put in a difficult position. He is definitely breaking away from JD soon.

Balor definitely needs a program. He is pretty good and doesn't get enough credit for being ever consistent in the ring.

The thing about Trips WWE is it lacks those unpredictable swerves that would catch the fans off guard.

His booking is very machinistic. The last swerve Vince put in there was JD turning on Edge all of a sudden. And even though it led to a never ending feud with Balor but that was mostly due to Trips not knowing what to do afterwards and his certain dislike for Edge.
 
Ricochet leaving WWE is actually a good move for him creatively. He has reached his ceiling in WWE, and as talented as he is in the ring, he was never going to be World Champion or be booked with any kind of seriousness. Also, regardless of what you may think of him, I think he deserves better than jobbing to Logan Paul. Alot of times we hope for certain guys to leave AEW and go to WWE. In Ricochet's case, I think it's the opposite and AEW is the perfect place for him because he can have all those 6 star dream matches that the AEW fans live for and be treated like a major star despite his lack of personality and ability on the mic. I'm sure Tony has already written a massive cheque and is already thinking of what will be the perfect place to debut him.

That said, while it will be a great move for him creatively, I don't know how great it will be for his body. Because Ricochet seems like someone who will give into his worst tendencies in that environment where there is no control or restraint.
Ricochet was Trips signing going back to his NXT debut where he was presented like a proper top guy. His Nxt run was brilliant. Hell, even his WWE run till the point of his Lesnar match was the best booking a lucha libre has been afforded in WWE apart from Rey. After that squash against Brock, he was relegated to being a jobber and could never rise from there. (Him getting squashed by Sheamus for 3 months straight was a killer blow for him). Before that, he had been beating the likes of Drew, Joe etc clean and apart from Rey, no cruiserweight had been booked like that.
Ricochet's inability to evolve his character and lack of mic skills only added to that.

Regarding AEW, Ricochet definitely has tendencies to cater towards the diehard markbase but I don't think he's stupid enough to be putting his body through hell. If anything, his injury free career is a testament to his fitness and smart choices he's made for his body. If he was another brainless indiemark, he would have been doing 630 at every house show as well but he saved that finisher for only certain matches and would only utilize codebreaker and shooting star press as his regular finishers.

The best thing for him would be to either go to TNA and work on developing his character and mic skills (if he intends to become a bigger star in NA). Otherwise I am pretty sure he would kill it in AEW and NJPW.
 
We’re also in an era where the big guys can really go in the ring to, so for me the little guys need to be very special to justify a high level push, otherwise it’s a little difficult to suspend your disbelief. Somebody like Ricochet was more worthy and had a much higher ceiling, and good for Gable he got something to do and can go in the ring, the comparisons with Angle are laughable however.
The only guys worthy to be compared with the likes of Angle are guys like Bryan and Benoit and even then Angle surpasses them with ever evolving character work (Benoit) and the ability to remain injury free (Bryan)
Every one who compares anyone else with Angle simply never watched Angle work.

Gable is good, but to me, he was great as a tag team specialist (with his pairing with Jason Jordan). The tag matches American Alpha was having back in NXT and WWE were underrated gems.
 
He is leaving with The Rock on the TKO board, a guy he idolised. Am surprised Rock hasn’t stepped in to veto H’s awful booking of Ricochet. They probably confirmed they were not going to repackage him or do something more positive, with H in charge, who is consistent in where he positions you with nothing in between, there’s little hope for him.

On paper he’d be a good fit for AEW, but they are scraping at the bottom of the barrel right now.
I doubt Dwayne knows much about Ricochet.

But I think there's a good chance he's just been written out of the tv. He just got a new tee on wwe shop.
 
The only guys worthy to be compared with the likes of Angle are guys like Bryan and Benoit and even then Angle surpasses them with ever evolving character work (Benoit) and the ability to remain injury free (Bryan)
Every one who compares anyone else with Angle simply never watched Angle work.

Gable is good, but to me, he was great as a tag team specialist (with his pairing with Jason Jordan). The tag matches American Alpha was having back in NXT and WWE were underrated gems.

I don’t think I’d be willing to give the injury free award to Angle, if you dig into his addiction to pain killers you will know why.
 
Angle, Benoit, Eddie and Jericho all lifted each other in their pomp and technically were all right up there. Bryan belongs in that mix. Bret surpasses them all as far as technical proficiency in the ring work is concerned and to be frank probably in all other aspects to.
 
I don’t think I’d be willing to give the injury free award to Angle, if you dig into his addiction to pain killers you will know why.
yes but Bryan had to retire for around 3 years during his prime due to injuries. For Kurt, as bad as his neck was, he never had to be out of action for a year due to that. Whether that's due to poor management on part of WWE and TNA or for injuries not being taken as seriously in early 2000s as they are now is another discussion.
 
Angle, Benoit, Eddie and Jericho all lifted each other in their pomp and technically were all right up there. Bryan belongs in that mix. Bret surpasses them all as far as technical proficiency in the ring work is concerned and to be frank probably in all other aspects to.
Angle, Benoit, Bryan, Bret are of a similar mold while Eddie, Jericho, HBK and Edge were of a different one
In terms of wrestling style.
 
yes but Bryan had to retire for around 3 years during his prime due to injuries. For Kurt, as bad as his neck was, he never had to be out of action for a year due to that. Whether that's due to poor management on part of WWE and TNA or for injuries not being taken as seriously in early 2000s as they are now is another discussion.

Post 2007 when they introduced the wellness policy, better concussion protocol and other measures to protect wrestlers. And it’s not another discussion, he wouldn’t be wrestling for the WWE in the same period when the business changed completely, he left in 06 to heal up, Bryan is pretty active to now in a similar environment and it doesn’t make him less injury prone so your point doesnt make sense.
 
Angle, Benoit, Bryan, Bret are of a similar mold while Eddie, Jericho, HBK and Edge were of a different one
In terms of wrestling style.
Who bought in Edge, and I don’t think you watched the others enough to judge their technical proficiency in the ring beyond the WWE realm or too young/ignorant.
 
Who bought in Edge, and I don’t think you watched the others enough to judge their technical proficiency in the ring beyond the WWE realm or too young/ignorant.
I know Edge was brought in by Bret.

I was talking about the wrestling style. Bret, Angle, Benoit, Bryan - their wrestling style is from one cluster. While Shawn, Edge, Eddie and Jericho - their wrestling style can be grouped in another cluster. Not meaning one is inferior to the other but just different. Jericho has always credited Steamboat, Owen and Shawn as the guys he modeled his style on and that doesn't mean Jericho didn't like Bret or anything.
 
Post 2007 when they introduced the wellness policy, better concussion protocol and other measures to protect wrestlers. And it’s not another discussion, he wouldn’t be wrestling for the WWE in the same period when the business changed completely, he left in 06 to heal up, Bryan is pretty active to now in a similar environment and it doesn’t make him less injury prone so your point doesnt make sense.
Yes probably. Angle will always be my favorite but I like Bryan as well. Bryan's style became a little less aggressive when he came back in 2018 probably to avoid more serious injuries.
 
Who bought in Edge, and I don’t think you watched the others enough to judge their technical proficiency in the ring beyond the WWE realm or too young/ignorant.
Bret I'd agree I haven't watched as much as I have watched all the others as when i started regularly watching back in 1998, bret was pretty much winding down. Before that I had only watched his match vs Yokozuna (the one bret win at Mania) and a few others and was too young to see the matches through technical prowess etc. back then i didn't even know about the scripted nature of wrestling either lol.
 
We’re also in an era where the big guys can really go in the ring to, so for me the little guys need to be very special to justify a high level push, otherwise it’s a little difficult to suspend your disbelief. Somebody like Ricochet was more worthy and had a much higher ceiling, and good for Gable he got something to do and can go in the ring, the comparisons with Angle are laughable however.
That is obviously ludicrous. There is no comparison. But Gable can still be good for what he is and be a compelling, midcard heel.
 
He is leaving with The Rock on the TKO board, a guy he idolised. Am surprised Rock hasn’t stepped in to veto H’s awful booking of Ricochet. They probably confirmed they were not going to repackage him or do something more positive, with H in charge, who is consistent in where he positions you with nothing in between, there’s little hope for him.

On paper he’d be a good fit for AEW, but they are scraping at the bottom of the barrel right now.
I don't think The Rock wants to get in the weeds and veto every small decision or lack thereof. He has a busy enough schedule being a movie star as it is. If he is involved in something himself, like he was during WrestleMania then he wouldn't give a sh!t and do whatever he wants to do. But I don;t think he cares if every guy who's talented has a job with WWE or not. That's Nick Khan and Triple H's domain and I think he's happy to let it be that way as a stakeholder in that company. Even if he doesn't trust H, he does trust Nick who is his childhood friend.

Yeah I worry for him because he's more prone to doing crazy spots that could destroy his body.
 
Ricochet was Trips signing going back to his NXT debut where he was presented like a proper top guy. His Nxt run was brilliant. Hell, even his WWE run till the point of his Lesnar match was the best booking a lucha libre has been afforded in WWE apart from Rey. After that squash against Brock, he was relegated to being a jobber and could never rise from there. (Him getting squashed by Sheamus for 3 months straight was a killer blow for him). Before that, he had been beating the likes of Drew, Joe etc clean and apart from Rey, no cruiserweight had been booked like that.
Ricochet's inability to evolve his character and lack of mic skills only added to that.

Regarding AEW, Ricochet definitely has tendencies to cater towards the diehard markbase but I don't think he's stupid enough to be putting his body through hell. If anything, his injury free career is a testament to his fitness and smart choices he's made for his body. If he was another brainless indiemark, he would have been doing 630 at every house show as well but he saved that finisher for only certain matches and would only utilize codebreaker and shooting star press as his regular finishers.

The best thing for him would be to either go to TNA and work on developing his character and mic skills (if he intends to become a bigger star in NA). Otherwise I am pretty sure he would kill it in AEW and NJPW.
Triple H has pushed alot of guys in NXT that he would never push the same way on the main-roster. Even Karrion Kross was like a Vader-level monster heel on NXT. Regardless of what a progressive-minded booker Triple H may make himself out to be, there is enough evidence to suggest that he has alot of the same ideas of what makes a main-eventer that Vince did. His booking of Sami Zayn, who has potentially the biggest role in kickstarting this current boom period in WWE is perhaps the biggest example of that.

TNA is too small. It has a loyal fanbase and I'm sure partnering with WWE is going to do them alot of benefit. But the size of their audience is too small compared to even AEW. NJPW on the other hand is basically a feeder promotion for AEW at this point. AEW has raided their entire roster, while WWE has picked up whatever was useful to them namely Haku's sons. Their World Champion is not even a guy from their own company.

AEW is the best place for him because he will be paid an exorbitant amount of money by Tony. He will be treated like more of a star because he's basically the best at doing the kind of style that AEW fans live for. And he's going to have all the dream matches with Ospreay, Omega, Darby, Dante Martin, PAC, Swerve etc. He will eventually be booked into the ground until he means nothing but then again, who in AEW besides a couple of guys isn't?
 
Drew is the biggest star on Raw certainly (not counting part timers).
I still don't think Drew is as hot as when he did after winning Rumble in 2020.
But Drew and Sheamus were acting like buddies on Raw again. They even did that banger after banger chant together. And Drew was interacting with fans like a face during his entrance. I don't know whether the creative knows who's the heel and who's the face right now because Drew was definitely presented like a face yesterday.

The thing about Priest is, as good as he is, he seems a little undercooked for a world title run. He suddenly won the title at mania without having been built up enough. He was just put in a difficult position. He is definitely breaking away from JD soon.

Balor definitely needs a program. He is pretty good and doesn't get enough credit for being ever consistent in the ring.

The thing about Trips WWE is it lacks those unpredictable swerves that would catch the fans off guard.

His booking is very machinistic. The last swerve Vince put in there was JD turning on Edge all of a sudden. And even though it led to a never ending feud with Balor but that was mostly due to Trips not knowing what to do afterwards and his certain dislike for Edge.
Drew and Sheamus are real life friends who have gone to war together in kayfabe numerous times. If one of your closest friends started acting like more of a d!ck would you cut off all ties with him? No. So I didn't have a problem with that. Also, while Drew is leaning on the heel side, he is probably more of a tweener when I think about it. Which is great because it gives his character more depth. He feels real and often has alot of nuance to what he says or does. He's isn't a typical one-dimensional heel. That's what ''telling the truth'' is all about. He can lean on being a heel most of the time but he can lean on being a face on certain occasions as well like this one, where he is (likely) main-eventing a PPV in his home country.
 
Who Killed WCW is quickly becoming my favorite wrestling related doc. show. This episode in particular was really great because it featured Bret absolutely razing Golderg. Goldberg has somehow become an even bigger mark for himself than I guess he was when he was on top. Referring to hurting other wrestlers in the ring he said: "if the intention is right, then it's not my fault." Bret though did not hold back. It was funny and entertaining to see him absolutely eviscerate Goldberg verbally, but also quite sad when you think about how deeply that injury affected Bret. Even on this show, he sounded very bitter about it, and honestly who can blame him?

One thing about this show that's perhaps different from other shows on WCW is that it features alot of the key Turner executives, who added some context to the behind-the-scenes issues with TBS that WCW struggled with. And I will say it gave me a little bit of sympathy for Eric and everything he had to deal with. Eric is also a bit more remorseful about his own failures and mistakes, which I can appreciate to some extent. But it's hard to really like him still because of his shameless shilling for Hogan.

Nash was also awesome in this. He kinda glossed over some of his own blunders as head-booker and general greediness to beat Goldberg/put the belt on himself. But generally he talked alot of sense putting over Bret, as one of the GOATs that he respected and had his best matches with, while burying Goldberg as someone who could not be a top guy because of how green and untrained that he was in the ring. Which you can't really disagree with.

They are going to cover 1999 next week. And honestly I can't wait for all these guys who seemingly hate each other's guts to come together to bury Russo
 

Ric’s tweets, clips of Bret/Nash are making me want to see this.

Russo deserves that Jim like burial from Ric there LOL that was amazing, I don’t know what has made him change his tune since then but I need to find the time to watch the documentary now
 
I’ve returned to PSP gaming and borrowed an old SvR 2011 game, the gameplay is absolutely shocking, it can’t hold a candle to 06 or 07.

On the plus side, I squashed Drew with Punk at Mania, weirdly Cody is in there to and I had a HIAC match with Orton, I couldn’t get out the damn thing, for once it served its purpose
 
Triple H has pushed alot of guys in NXT that he would never push the same way on the main-roster. Even Karrion Kross was like a Vader-level monster heel on NXT. Regardless of what a progressive-minded booker Triple H may make himself out to be, there is enough evidence to suggest that he has alot of the same ideas of what makes a main-eventer that Vince did. His booking of Sami Zayn, who has potentially the biggest role in kickstarting this current boom period in WWE is perhaps the biggest example of that.

TNA is too small. It has a loyal fanbase and I'm sure partnering with WWE is going to do them alot of benefit. But the size of their audience is too small compared to even AEW. NJPW on the other hand is basically a feeder promotion for AEW at this point. AEW has raided their entire roster, while WWE has picked up whatever was useful to them namely Haku's sons. Their World Champion is not even a guy from their own company.

AEW is the best place for him because he will be paid an exorbitant amount of money by Tony. He will be treated like more of a star because he's basically the best at doing the kind of style that AEW fans live for. And he's going to have all the dream matches with Ospreay, Omega, Darby, Dante Martin, PAC, Swerve etc. He will eventually be booked into the ground until he means nothing but then again, who in AEW besides a couple of guys isn't?
Yes and Ricochet does have a tendency to cater to indiemarks by doing their style of great matches.
But he's also not stupid enough to be putting his body on the line every week for a throwaway match. He'll get tons of money in AEW yes. But that'll really depend on what direction he wants to go to. Guys like Mustafa Ali have been content with going to TNA and working on their character at a relatively sedate place. Ziggler too, could have gone to AEW but he chose to sign with TNA as well (pretty sure he would have been offered a big bag of money by Tony as well). Ricochet isn't a guy who would risk getting paralyzed for a random match. He's been smarter with this career as compared to other high flyers. He has a very good injury free record. Let's see what he does.
 
Drew and Sheamus are real life friends who have gone to war together in kayfabe numerous times. If one of your closest friends started acting like more of a d!ck would you cut off all ties with him? No. So I didn't have a problem with that. Also, while Drew is leaning on the heel side, he is probably more of a tweener when I think about it. Which is great because it gives his character more depth. He feels real and often has alot of nuance to what he says or does. He's isn't a typical one-dimensional heel. That's what ''telling the truth'' is all about. He can lean on being a heel most of the time but he can lean on being a face on certain occasions as well like this one, where he is (likely) main-eventing a PPV in his home country.
Yes Drew is and should be a tweener rather than an outright heel. He is way too cool to be booked like an out and out evil heel or a chicken s heel. He's a genuine scary guy with a personality that can entertain the fans and is probably the best full time wrestler (of his age group) in WWE alongside Cody.
 
Who Killed WCW is quickly becoming my favorite wrestling related doc. show. This episode in particular was really great because it featured Bret absolutely razing Golderg. Goldberg has somehow become an even bigger mark for himself than I guess he was when he was on top. Referring to hurting other wrestlers in the ring he said: "if the intention is right, then it's not my fault." Bret though did not hold back. It was funny and entertaining to see him absolutely eviscerate Goldberg verbally, but also quite sad when you think about how deeply that injury affected Bret. Even on this show, he sounded very bitter about it, and honestly who can blame him?

One thing about this show that's perhaps different from other shows on WCW is that it features alot of the key Turner executives, who added some context to the behind-the-scenes issues with TBS that WCW struggled with. And I will say it gave me a little bit of sympathy for Eric and everything he had to deal with. Eric is also a bit more remorseful about his own failures and mistakes, which I can appreciate to some extent. But it's hard to really like him still because of his shameless shilling for Hogan.

Nash was also awesome in this. He kinda glossed over some of his own blunders as head-booker and general greediness to beat Goldberg/put the belt on himself. But generally he talked alot of sense putting over Bret, as one of the GOATs that he respected and had his best matches with, while burying Goldberg as someone who could not be a top guy because of how green and untrained that he was in the ring. Which you can't really disagree with.

They are going to cover 1999 next week. And honestly I can't wait for all these guys who seemingly hate each other's guts to come together to bury Russo
I've never liked Nash as a wrestler. He's probably a better actor than he ever was as a wrestler.
Scott Hall was a much better characer/worker than Nash IMO.
 
I’ve returned to PSP gaming and borrowed an old SvR 2011 game, the gameplay is absolutely shocking, it can’t hold a candle to 06 or 07.

On the plus side, I squashed Drew with Punk at Mania, weirdly Cody is in there to and I had a HIAC match with Orton, I couldn’t get out the damn thing, for once it served its purpose
Yes svr 2011 on psp is a tad slowish but has a much better gameplay than svr2010 or 2009. 2008 and 07 were the best entries in the series for psp IMO.
psp is amazing in a sense that you can play sega, neogeo, ps1 games on it as well. The only problem it has is the lack of l2 and r2 buttons and second analog.
i still play tarzan, hercules, art of fighting 2, king of fighters etc etc on it.
 
Yes svr 2011 on psp is a tad slowish but has a much better gameplay than svr2010 or 2009. 2008 and 07 were the best entries in the series for psp IMO.
psp is amazing in a sense that you can play sega, neogeo, ps1 games on it as well. The only problem it has is the lack of l2 and r2 buttons and second analog.
i still play tarzan, hercules, art of fighting 2, king of fighters etc etc on it.

The controls are just dreadful in SvR 2011, but it got straight edge CM Punk!

06 control scheme is so beautiful and imo the best overall game, for pure gameplay 07 took it to another level with the use of the analogue stick and interactive environment.

I never actually played 08 so it excites me that you think it’s arguably the best.

It’s an emulation weapon for sure, what’s your favourite FPS on there?

I also tried to get the OG Brian Lara Cricket running, on my PSP GO there’s no sound however and no tests, I am going to try running it on another PSP to see if I have more success. OG Lara is the best cricket game for pure gameplay.
 
Logan Paul poses for face-off with Donald Trump and WWE fans are all demanding the same thing

Logan Paul has nabbed arguably the biggest interview of his YouTube career by securing a sit-down with former US President Donald Trump.

The WWE United States Champion has already hosted some of the biggest names from the world of wrestling and sport on his Impaulsive podcast.

The show’s YouTube channel boasts more than 4.6 million subscribers and the better part of 800 million views overall, with previous guests including Patrick Mahomes, ISHOWSPEED, John Cena and Triple H.

Now the influencer-turned wrestler looks to have captured his most controversial interview subject yet in former President Trump, 77.

The veteran businessman and politician remains part of the upcoming US Presidential race despite becoming the first former or sitting president to be convicted of a crime.

Late last month a jury in the States convicted him of on 34 counts of falsifying business records, with sentencing due to take place next month.

Trump, who has denied wrongdoing, has vowed to battle on in his quest to clear his name and, in addition, secure a dramatic return to the White House.

Part of that offensive appears to be an unlikely appearance as Paul’s guest, with the episode likely to be released later during Thursday.

To tease the sit-down chat, Paul posted a photo posing with Trump and his coveted WWE title belt, while Trump’s TikTok has carried a clip of the pair engaging in a mock square-up of sorts, before falling into laughter.

The content has, unsurprisingly, triggered a huge social media response – largely among those either supporting the politician or criticising Paul for staging the interview.

As ever, one section of the online universe has sought to find a funny side, with wrestling fans on X quick to poke fun at the situation.

Paul is the longest reigning champion in WWE just now and, as a result, having him go face to face with such a polarising figure has proven too much to resist for some, with the inevitable jokes following.

From calling for a title match between the two, to urging Trump and election rival President Joe Biden to battle it out inside Hell in a Cell, there’s no shortage of those getting involved.

“Can we have a Biden vs Trump WWE ladder match,” requested one fan.

Another posted: We need a WWE match with Joe Biden versus Donald Trump.. Dana White can you make it happen?”

“Trump vs Biden Hell In A Cell match has to happen in WWE,” chirped another fan, with another saying: “If this isn’t the WrestleMania main event there’s something majorly wrong.”

Trump is of course no stranger to WWE, having previously appeared in an on-screen feud with controversial ex-chief Vince McMahon.

The two faced off in a battle by proxy of sorts in WrestleMania 23’s Battle of the Billionaires, with Trump’s Bobby Lashley defeating McMahon’s Umaga, resulting in McMahon having his head shaved post-match.

Lashley, Trump and special guest referee Stone Cold Steve Austin all took delight in relieving the then WWE owner of his locks in one of the show’s most iconic moments.

McMahon later inducted Trump into WWE’s Hall of Fame at WrestleMania 29 in 2013, with Trump’s Plaza venue having played host to Manias 4 and 5 in the late 1980s.

Paul, meanwhile, has adjusted to life in the wrestling ring with aplomb, winning the US title from Rey Mysterio in 2023.

 
The controls are just dreadful in SvR 2011, but it got straight edge CM Punk!

06 control scheme is so beautiful and imo the best overall game, for pure gameplay 07 took it to another level with the use of the analogue stick and interactive environment.

I never actually played 08 so it excites me that you think it’s arguably the best.

It’s an emulation weapon for sure, what’s your favourite FPS on there?

I also tried to get the OG Brian Lara Cricket running, on my PSP GO there’s no sound however and no tests, I am going to try running it on another PSP to see if I have more success. OG Lara is the best cricket game for pure gameplay.
syphon filter: logan's shadow and metal gear solid on psp are my favorite FPS games.
apart from that, Vice City Stories, Liberty City Stories, Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands, god of war - i love them
Tekken 5, 6, NFS Carbon, street, are my all time favorite psp games apart from svr 2008.
not a big fan of mortal kombat, but played mk unchained a lot on it.
King of fighters orochi saga as well.
I like brian lara. Still prefer cricket 07 over it.

On NEOGEO, i play art of fighting 2, metal slug, fatal fury and king of fighters a lot.
On sega emulator, lion king, tiny toons, strider, flicky, flinstones, tmnt, aero the acrobat 2 and a few more
on ps1 emulator, smackdown 2, tekken 3, syphon filter 3, spyro the dragon, hercules, tarzan are my favorites.

Sadly there's no ps2 emulator on psp.
 
syphon filter: logan's shadow and metal gear solid on psp are my favorite FPS games.
apart from that, Vice City Stories, Liberty City Stories, Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands, god of war - i love them
Tekken 5, 6, NFS Carbon, street, are my all time favorite psp games apart from svr 2008.
not a big fan of mortal kombat, but played mk unchained a lot on it.
King of fighters orochi saga as well.
I like brian lara. Still prefer cricket 07 over it.

On NEOGEO, i play art of fighting 2, metal slug, fatal fury and king of fighters a lot.
On sega emulator, lion king, tiny toons, strider, flicky, flinstones, tmnt, aero the acrobat 2 and a few more
on ps1 emulator, smackdown 2, tekken 3, syphon filter 3, spyro the dragon, hercules, tarzan are my favorites.

Sadly there's no ps2 emulator on psp.

Ah I loved liberty city stories that was unreal when it came out and the god of war games really pushed the console to its limits and produced almost ps2 like graphics.

What was your favourite racing game did you ever try Gran Turismo ?

Yes the ps1 emulation was great, it’s mad how it can run those games so flawlessly and it feels weird playing the original Smackdown on PSP.

The PS2 was beefy tech, it will be some time before it can be emulated on a portable the size of the PSP, one of the reasons I got the steam deck was to emulate PS2 games and it does it flawlessly.

PSP can run N64 games to but I think the Vita does it much better, although I’ve heard it doesn’t run the WWF or WCW games well which is a shame
 
Lol now the AEW hardcore marks are going to come after Undertaker, just because he told the truth and said something about AEW that everyone already knows.
 
Ric’s tweets, clips of Bret/Nash are making me want to see this.

Russo deserves that Jim like burial from Ric there LOL that was amazing, I don’t know what has made him change his tune since then but I need to find the time to watch the documentary now
Russo deserves to be treated like the piece of garbage he is. Without a doubt, one of the worst things to have ever happened to wrestling. Even if Ric doesn;t, I'm everyone else will have a field day tearing him a new one in the next episode. I find it funny how hating Russo to the core is something even Cornette and Bischoff see eye to eye on.
 
I’ve returned to PSP gaming and borrowed an old SvR 2011 game, the gameplay is absolutely shocking, it can’t hold a candle to 06 or 07.

On the plus side, I squashed Drew with Punk at Mania, weirdly Cody is in there to and I had a HIAC match with Orton, I couldn’t get out the damn thing, for once it served its purpose
2011 was the last SvR game I think. I didn't hate it but you could see that series was going downhill from 2009. Very little changes and new features, although I always enjoyed the Road to WrestleMania mode.

Talking about SvR specifically I think 2007 is unquestionably at the top followed by 2006 and the 2008. 2008 is really underrated. It has alot of the same stuff from 2007 but better graphics, a bigger roster and the addition of WWECW in the GM Mode too.
 
Yes and Ricochet does have a tendency to cater to indiemarks by doing their style of great matches.
But he's also not stupid enough to be putting his body on the line every week for a throwaway match. He'll get tons of money in AEW yes. But that'll really depend on what direction he wants to go to. Guys like Mustafa Ali have been content with going to TNA and working on their character at a relatively sedate place. Ziggler too, could have gone to AEW but he chose to sign with TNA as well (pretty sure he would have been offered a big bag of money by Tony as well). Ricochet isn't a guy who would risk getting paralyzed for a random match. He's been smarter with this career as compared to other high flyers. He has a very good injury free record. Let's see what he does.
Mustafa Ali is not as good as Ricochet. Its easier for him to get lost in th shuffle than Ricochet. Ziggler wanted to follow the Cody template and just do indies and NJPW and Mexico. And TNA which often tapes a number of shows together, was perfect for him from a schedule stand-point.
 
2008 SvR was the peak of wrestling games. I remember my wacko custom superstar. 7 ft tall, death start delts sticking out like planets, p much mid 90s Kane build with a skull mask and faux Mohawk hairstyle.

The cutscenes would be hilarious because he’d be doing all these expressions and talking with a full face covered mask.

And then he’d be doing 619’s and moonsaults lmao.

I liked how 2009 had those attributes and there were 2 reserved for legendary status superstars called Resilience and Kip Up.

Am not sure if I ever unlocked resilience. You had to beat someone while your wrestler’s entire body severely injured. Very hard to do because you’d be way too easy to pin.

Good times
 
Ah I loved liberty city stories that was unreal when it came out and the god of war games really pushed the console to its limits and produced almost ps2 like graphics.

What was your favourite racing game did you ever try Gran Turismo ?

Yes the ps1 emulation was great, it’s mad how it can run those games so flawlessly and it feels weird playing the original Smackdown on PSP.

The PS2 was beefy tech, it will be some time before it can be emulated on a portable the size of the PSP, one of the reasons I got the steam deck was to emulate PS2 games and it does it flawlessly.

PSP can run N64 games to but I think the Vita does it much better, although I’ve heard it doesn’t run the WWF or WCW games well which is a shame
Yes liberty city stories and vice city stories both are great.
I loved nfs carbon and nfs street. The other entrees like shift etc weren't that good. I do have gran turismo but haven't played it yet.
There's a chinese tech that has ps2 as a portable device, think it's available on aliexpress. I watched the review on yt years ago.
Yes nintendo games don't work well on psp. The nintendo and capcom emulators mess up my psp.
 
Mustafa Ali is not as good as Ricochet. Its easier for him to get lost in th shuffle than Ricochet. Ziggler wanted to follow the Cody template and just do indies and NJPW and Mexico. And TNA which often tapes a number of shows together, was perfect for him from a schedule stand-point.
For ziggler, it's also more to do with his stand up comedy career. But he could have worked it out with aew as well with much more considering how much tony loves throwing money at ex wwe guys.
But mustafa has much better promo skills. Apart from ospreay and pac, i don't think any high flyer of their generation compares with ricochet. Even the likes of sammy and many mexican wrestlers can do fancy moves like 630 etc but what ricochet offers is something different. His nxt run was the best lucha libre wrestler run in wwe barring rey.
 
2008 SvR was the peak of wrestling games. I remember my wacko custom superstar. 7 ft tall, death start delts sticking out like planets, p much mid 90s Kane build with a skull mask and faux Mohawk hairstyle.

The cutscenes would be hilarious because he’d be doing all these expressions and talking with a full face covered mask.

And then he’d be doing 619’s and moonsaults lmao.

I liked how 2009 had those attributes and there were 2 reserved for legendary status superstars called Resilience and Kip Up.

Am not sure if I ever unlocked resilience. You had to beat someone while your wrestler’s entire body severely injured. Very hard to do because you’d be way too easy to pin.

Good times
Think the latter mode wasn't available on psp. That was exclusive for ps2 version.
 
2008 SvR was the peak of wrestling games. I remember my wacko custom superstar. 7 ft tall, death start delts sticking out like planets, p much mid 90s Kane build with a skull mask and faux Mohawk hairstyle.

The cutscenes would be hilarious because he’d be doing all these expressions and talking with a full face covered mask.

And then he’d be doing 619’s and moonsaults lmao.

I liked how 2009 had those attributes and there were 2 reserved for legendary status superstars called Resilience and Kip Up.

Am not sure if I ever unlocked resilience. You had to beat someone while your wrestler’s entire body severely injured. Very hard to do because you’d be way too easy to pin.

Good times
The best thing about 2008 was that it significantly changed controls and gameplay but rather than ruining the game it made it more dynamic/smooth atleast on PS2. In recent years with the 2K games they have added alot of sh!t and none of ot necessarily makes the game better.

Oh and what a freaking great soundtrack. Peak 2000s era nu-metal music. So many songs there that I still listen to today.
 
Lol now the AEW hardcore marks are going to come after Undertaker, just because he told the truth and said something about AEW that everyone already knows.

He was actually being nice, I don’t think he said anything bad lol If you a problem with Take man that’s more of a ‘you’ problem
 
Yes liberty city stories and vice city stories both are great.
I loved nfs carbon and nfs street. The other entrees like shift etc weren't that good. I do have gran turismo but haven't played it yet.
There's a chinese tech that has ps2 as a portable device, think it's available on aliexpress. I watched the review on yt years ago.
Yes nintendo games don't work well on psp. The nintendo and capcom emulators mess up my psp.

For some reason Vice City didn’t click with me, I need to play it again though. I don’t know if the beach city graphics translated as well to the portable compared to the fictional NYC in Liberty City.

I saw that vid the build quality was very poor and it was just so bulky. I would just look for the OG steam deck on a discount because for PS2 emulation, nothing can beat it, also with the form factor of the deck.
 
Mustafa Ali is not as good as Ricochet. Its easier for him to get lost in th shuffle than Ricochet. Ziggler wanted to follow the Cody template and just do indies and NJPW and Mexico. And TNA which often tapes a number of shows together, was perfect for him from a schedule stand-point.

I would say Ricochet is better at high spots (and very special at it may I add) but Ali is better at everything else and has become a more psychological worker through his work with the WWE and took his character development to the next level with Shawn’s help. Ali is seriously underrated bro as an all round performer, he, Cedric and Buddy literally put the 205 live division on the map, I know you don’t like Speed but just see 205 live as the same kind of thing but those guys made you watch it, Ali has also held back on his athleticism , there’s all sorts he is capable off but to ensure his longevity and also to focus more on story based or should I say Shawn Michaels shakespearean wrestling (I give Gargano credit for coining this genre). Head to head Ali imo has had the better overall career while you could argue Ricochet had the better purple patch with Lucha Underground
 
2011 was the last SvR game I think. I didn't hate it but you could see that series was going downhill from 2009. Very little changes and new features, although I always enjoyed the Road to WrestleMania mode.

Talking about SvR specifically I think 2007 is unquestionably at the top followed by 2006 and the 2008. 2008 is really underrated. It has alot of the same stuff from 2007 but better graphics, a bigger roster and the addition of WWECW in the GM Mode too.

The controls are so weird bro like it don’t feel good to pick up and play just for the matches, you have to press L or R to run as well which feels flimsy and it’s awkward playing the gimmick matches which 11 was meant to be good for.

2006 I loved overall due to the gameplay, insane storylines and challenge mode, 2007 better gameplay but I don’t recall if the story mode was as good as 2006.

08 I wonder if the PSP port was as good as the PS3 version which was pretty special
 
2008 SvR was the peak of wrestling games. I remember my wacko custom superstar. 7 ft tall, death start delts sticking out like planets, p much mid 90s Kane build with a skull mask and faux Mohawk hairstyle.

The cutscenes would be hilarious because he’d be doing all these expressions and talking with a full face covered mask.

And then he’d be doing 619’s and moonsaults lmao.

I liked how 2009 had those attributes and there were 2 reserved for legendary status superstars called Resilience and Kip Up.

Am not sure if I ever unlocked resilience. You had to beat someone while your wrestler’s entire body severely injured. Very hard to do because you’d be way too easy to pin.

Good times

I had the best multiplayer experience for any wrestling game with 2008, there use to be younger jobber kids who use to visit to play, use to bring a sadistic smile to my face when I put them through the flaming table, it got so bad they use to try and snatch the controller from me while I carried the poor sods in the crucifix powerbomb position to the flaming table. And online you got to have some great matches, and cherry on top when somebody would quit when you were about to win
 
The controls are so weird bro like it don’t feel good to pick up and play just for the matches, you have to press L or R to run as well which feels flimsy and it’s awkward playing the gimmick matches which 11 was meant to be good for.

2006 I loved overall due to the gameplay, insane storylines and challenge mode, 2007 better gameplay but I don’t recall if the story mode was as good as 2006.

08 I wonder if the PSP port was as good as the PS3 version which was pretty special
Wwe 2k22 has similar controls as well on ps4. The second analog and l2 r2 does add some variety but overall the controls are similar to 2k11.
 
I would say Ricochet is better at high spots (and very special at it may I add) but Ali is better at everything else and has become a more psychological worker through his work with the WWE and took his character development to the next level with Shawn’s help. Ali is seriously underrated bro as an all round performer, he, Cedric and Buddy literally put the 205 live division on the map, I know you don’t like Speed but just see 205 live as the same kind of thing but those guys made you watch it, Ali has also held back on his athleticism , there’s all sorts he is capable off but to ensure his longevity and also to focus more on story based or should I say Shawn Michaels shakespearean wrestling (I give Gargano credit for coining this genre). Head to head Ali imo has had the better overall career while you could argue Ricochet had the better purple patch with Lucha Underground
I'd like ciampa to venture into singles. He has higher ceiling than gargano due to his much superior promo and character skills. Plus their new diy theme is awful. No one will survive was an atg theme
 
For some reason Vice City didn’t click with me, I need to play it again though. I don’t know if the beach city graphics translated as well to the portable compared to the fictional NYC in Liberty City.

I saw that vid the build quality was very poor and it was just so bulky. I would just look for the OG steam deck on a discount because for PS2 emulation, nothing can beat it, also with the form factor of the deck.
The missions were slightly better in vice city stories imo. And vice city stories was a lengthier game.
 
Yes with time psp's umd rom gets sloppy.
I have cfw 6.20 installed and it works like a charm and you can get any game you want in iso/cso.

I have the actual UMD for a non-hacked PSP and was wondering if it did that, the roms on hacked psp work fine however
 

I watched this, not a fan of the build quality or thickness, I think a more established modder would do a better job but it would cost in excess off 1k opposed to this relatively cheaper one. I like the idea behind these but the deck is a much better solution imo
 
I'd like ciampa to venture into singles. He has higher ceiling than gargano due to his much superior promo and character skills. Plus their new diy theme is awful. No one will survive was an atg theme

I think he’d do a better job in Gable’s spot to
 
I would say Ricochet is better at high spots (and very special at it may I add) but Ali is better at everything else and has become a more psychological worker through his work with the WWE and took his character development to the next level with Shawn’s help. Ali is seriously underrated bro as an all round performer, he, Cedric and Buddy literally put the 205 live division on the map, I know you don’t like Speed but just see 205 live as the same kind of thing but those guys made you watch it, Ali has also held back on his athleticism , there’s all sorts he is capable off but to ensure his longevity and also to focus more on story based or should I say Shawn Michaels shakespearean wrestling (I give Gargano credit for coining this genre). Head to head Ali imo has had the better overall career while you could argue Ricochet had the better purple patch with Lucha Underground
Well tbh I have only seen Ali booked like a jobber so maybe I don't have the complete picture. But even when they tried to do something with him with the whole Retribution faction, it was really bae. Though I guess you could blame creative for that.
 
Well tbh I have only seen Ali booked like a jobber so maybe I don't have the complete picture. But even when they tried to do something with him with the whole Retribution faction, it was really bae. Though I guess you could blame creative for that.

From the cruiserweight classic to his first run as a star he had a great initial stint, he was rumoured to go over for the WWE title as well before his injury which promoted Kofi mania, there were some ups and downs but he helped put 205 live on the map, I think you’d really like the matches he had there, Buddy did his best work during that period to and better than anything he has done in AEW to. The stuff with retribution was poor and last 1/4 he wasn’t booked well so they let him hit reset in NXT, which ultimately is doing well for him in TNA as their X-Division champ and the presidential gimmick, also became the first top muslim wrestler to be on the cover of PWI magazine I believe, especially from his heritage.
 
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