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Jericho is definitely going to WWE. Just look at his face, he has lost so much weight. Looks like he's been holding off on that late night vodka now that he is going to a professional organization lol.


He looks like that older Bart Simpson meme lol I am very curious to see how Jericho will do there because he can’t quit the booze or drugs for long enough, & this version of Jericho we’ve seen has transformed into a master politician and had so many issues with H, what their relationship will be like is very interesting.
 
Going by how they treated Shane, I think Vince will get the same on the surface unless fragile ego reads every single tweet contrary to what he says and maybe shows him for a few secs during Cena’s final match.
 

This guy has completed the Triple H wrestling 101 check list:

It’s so eerie how similar they are and the ceiling for their general pedigree; for the Shawn/Bret WM 12 match, I think the tagline was iron sharpens iron? In this case it’s the opposite; timber grinding on timber.

@RedwoodOriginal
Literally no one is saying, man I can't wait till Seth Rollins returns.

I would even go as far as to say that he is worse than Triple H. Because atleast Triple H had heat. Granted, alot of it was heat from fans being sick of him being all over RAW, but Rollins doesn't even have that. Literally the blandest, most uninteresting, and most overpushed guy in pro-wrestling today.
 
He looks like that older Bart Simpson meme lol I am very curious to see how Jericho will do there because he can’t quit the booze or drugs for long enough, & this version of Jericho we’ve seen has transformed into a master politician and had so many issues with H, what their relationship will be like is very interesting.
Both guys are master politicians who understand the art of survival better than most wrestlers in the business. My feeling is that they will get along very well and find a way to work together, eventhough deep down they will continue to despise each other's guts.

Say what you will about Jericho, but he is one of the smartest guys in the history of the business if you ask me. And he is smart enough to know that when he returns to WWE, most WWE fans will be thinking back to what he looked like when he was last here. They won't have any memory of his AEW run because they likely never saw it. So he has to look like a million bucks and in shape. I think his physique will tell you alot about how serious he is about his upcoming run.
 
Some reports suggest the tournament was Cena’s idea & when you see how he talks about using his final stretch to put others over and put a light on them I really believe that, but I don’t quiet believe the counter report that H wanted it to be a 2 hour tribute show, that would be too big of him unless he booked himself in the segments to open and close. Yeah while people were doing a Bhangra over H he had little to do with the Bloodline or the rise of Cody who he sneakily managed to convince everybody had to get beat by his puthar who’s off the shelf now, H was waiting to do that since he saw Cody smash his logo with the hammer. Heyman’s in that board meeting with Ryan Ward as well so he for sure has influence thankfully, I think we can safely tell the difference between something booked by H and something that isn’t because his booking style is so predictable and his views are dated, it’s a challenge for creative to keep things interesting while he keeps the gravy train going with his hand picked favourites.
Tbh I'm not a fan of the idea. It just feels like such a contrived way to get to Cena's last match. Like I said before, it reminds me of when they did a 4 Way on RAW to decide who would face The Undertaker at WrestleMania. But still, I respect the decision if it was Cena's because he has literally had no no say in this retirement run (according to his own admission) so if this was his idea as a way to give his old opponents and newer guys the spotlight, I can respect that. And if it leads to Gunther v Cena, I'm happy because that's what I wanted to be Cena's last match anyway.

Tbh, I do believe that HHH has moved past the Cody smashing the throne stuff and is all in on Cody being 'the guy.' Because he wouldn't have put Cody in the center of the Cena heel turn and have Cena work a program with him centered on two of the biggest shows of the year. His problem is that he just can't book for $hit, and doesn't know how to make stars. I think the more troubling thing that people should ask themselves is this if this is how he books someone he actually likes, how will he book people he doesn't like?

...I guess we can ask LA Knight.
 
Tbh I'm not a fan of the idea. It just feels like such a contrived way to get to Cena's last match. Like I said before, it reminds me of when they did a 4 Way on RAW to decide who would face The Undertaker at WrestleMania. But still, I respect the decision if it was Cena's because he has literally had no no say in this retirement run (according to his own admission) so if this was his idea as a way to give his old opponents and newer guys the spotlight, I can respect that. And if it leads to Gunther v Cena, I'm happy because that's what I wanted to be Cena's last match anyway.

Tbh, I do believe that HHH has moved past the Cody smashing the throne stuff and is all in on Cody being 'the guy.' Because he wouldn't have put Cody in the center of the Cena heel turn and have Cena work a program with him centered on two of the biggest shows of the year. His problem is that he just can't book for $hit, and doesn't know how to make stars. I think the more troubling thing that people should ask themselves is this if this is how he books someone he actually likes, how will he book people he doesn't like?

...I guess we can ask LA Knight.
I just caught up with Raw and probably the best Raw of the year. But boy do Logan Paul and Jimmy (and to an extent Jey and Reed) stick out like sore thumbs in this ATG teams. Would have preferred if Knight and Randy/Cena and Gunther, KO/Black were there instead of them. They literally had a chance to do something for the ages with tweaks in the lineups.
But I don't mind Logan Paul replacing Seth in the Vision as long as Heyman is the one who's doing all the talking there.
 
Literally no one is saying, man I can't wait till Seth Rollins returns.

I would even go as far as to say that he is worse than Triple H. Because atleast Triple H had heat. Granted, alot of it was heat from fans being sick of him being all over RAW, but Rollins doesn't even have that. Literally the blandest, most uninteresting, and most overpushed guy in pro-wrestling today.
Only the soccer moms and normies. He’s only popular with the woman because of looks.
 
I just caught up with Raw and probably the best Raw of the year. But boy do Logan Paul and Jimmy (and to an extent Jey and Reed) stick out like sore thumbs in this ATG teams. Would have preferred if Knight and Randy/Cena and Gunther, KO/Black were there instead of them. They literally had a chance to do something for the ages with tweaks in the lineups.
But I don't mind Logan Paul replacing Seth in the Vision as long as Heyman is the one who's doing all the talking there.
I think Reed's been great. He's actually one of the guys they have booked strong and elevated. I'm not a fan of Jimmy and Jey either but storyline-wise it works because of their connection/history with Roman. For me actually its Logan Paul that I found hardest to stomach. For me he doesn't deserve to be in this position or be mentioned in the same breath as the two Brons
 
I think Reed's been great. He's actually one of the guys they have booked strong and elevated. I'm not a fan of Jimmy and Jey either but storyline-wise it works because of their connection/history with Roman. For me actually its Logan Paul that I found hardest to stomach. For me he doesn't deserve to be in this position or be mentioned in the same breath as the two Brons
Story wise yes Usos and Reed make the cut but I am talking about having Knight, Randy/Cena, Gunther etc making it the most star studded Wargames match in WWE.
Reed's been great yes I agree (and Roman feud has elevated him) but I don't think he's someone who's a future maineventer like Breakker.
Agree on Logan looking like an elephant stuck in a tree.
Do you think Wargames will sow the seeds for a possible Brock-Bron feud down the line?
 
Tbh I'm not a fan of the idea. It just feels like such a contrived way to get to Cena's last match. Like I said before, it reminds me of when they did a 4 Way on RAW to decide who would face The Undertaker at WrestleMania. But still, I respect the decision if it was Cena's because he has literally had no no say in this retirement run (according to his own admission) so if this was his idea as a way to give his old opponents and newer guys the spotlight, I can respect that. And if it leads to Gunther v Cena, I'm happy because that's what I wanted to be Cena's last match anyway.

Tbh, I do believe that HHH has moved past the Cody smashing the throne stuff and is all in on Cody being 'the guy.' Because he wouldn't have put Cody in the center of the Cena heel turn and have Cena work a program with him centered on two of the biggest shows of the year. His problem is that he just can't book for $hit, and doesn't know how to make stars. I think the more troubling thing that people should ask themselves is this if this is how he books someone he actually likes, how will he book people he doesn't like?

...I guess we can ask LA Knight.

I thought that as well but Cody’s rise has been orchestrated by Vince who helped get him connected with the current senior management & TKO stakeholders, Lesnar played a part in selling him that way as well & he went over the cringe lord to, Cody was made a main-eventer overnight & fans welcomed that due to the back story to, none of it happened on H’s watch.

Since then both during Vince’s booking and when 4/10 took over, Cody has been the most protected top guy in wrestling and the Cena angle all made sense because it’s Cena and we did get a good pay off to all that eventually.

For a guy that is protected so heavily, and when the ball is all within his control, why would he have Cody job to Seth fair & square? This doesn’t make any sense to me like many of his own burials in the 2000’s. I think is the best he could manage due to the resentment he holds inside, but Cody being the pro he is, may have put out most of the fire/rage he has towards him but trust me it’s still there, Cody has just managed to help himself in the situation being the diplomat he is when we know how petty H is.

LA Knight on the other hand is just fed up and no doubt has bashed heads with him, Vince use to secretly like this type of attitude and pushed guys for it, while H’s ego is too fragile and can’t take people getting over of their own accord because he could never achieve that in his entire career, not once!
 
Also HHH has really booked the Cena final run horrifically. How is it ending at a Saturday Night Main Event with little fanfare.

RAW is much better without Seth. The Vision flopped .
 
Also HHH has really booked the Cena final run horrifically. How is it ending at a Saturday Night Main Event with little fanfare.

RAW is much better without Seth. The Vision flopped .

WWE botched up Cena's final year. There was no flow.
 
I've seen so many people talk bad about the new Born Again Christian Shawn Michaels, I'm convinced he never changed. Hurricane and Maven said the same thing in the past. And now Mr. Kennedy says the same. Anyways, all you need to do is read his autobiography Heartbreak & Triumph, you'll know how much he has 'changed'. Regardless, my favorite wrestler of all time by a big distance. Will always be his #1 fan, irrespective of how he is as a person.


 
exposed HHHs limitations as a booker. TKO are also leeches. No care on the product just extorting fans.

I think one of the weaknesses of modern day WWE is there is no natural flow in any storyline.

For example, Cena turned heel after The Rock signaled him to attack Cody. After that, The Rock simply vanished. They could've made a very interesting storyline but it was all over the place.

In the 90's and 2000's, everything had a natural flow. That is no longer the case. RAW and Smackdown feel like house shows or indie wrestling now.

Modern day wrestlers (most of them) are also not as charismatic as wrestlers from past eras. They are pretty robotic and dull.
 
Speed is insanely athletically gifted, probably the best athlete out of all Internet personalities and probably better than overrated pogan laul whose character is cringe.

If he really wanted to pursue wrestling he could, but he’s already making millions so might not want to take all that physical exertion.

He tied or broke the nfl something hard dash record in a previous episode as well. Crazy.
 
God awful booking by Nose yet again. Every one's been begging him to move past the vision and book new feuds yet he keeps beating that dead horse again and again and Punk is still caught up in an atrociously booked feud with that jobber stable. This is so much like the reign of terror because WWE is just too boring and bland to be watchable. Cena with his 42 appearance carried WWE in 2025 to give fans something to enjoy yet Triple Nose is hell bent on driving away all the fans with his jaded booking.
And its such a shame that you're having Cena get beaten by Raquel, Roxanne and Liv in his penultimate appearance and that guy was your World Champion just a few months ago. Awful awful booking.
 
God awful booking by Nose yet again. Every one's been begging him to move past the vision and book new feuds yet he keeps beating that dead horse again and again and Punk is still caught up in an atrociously booked feud with that jobber stable. This is so much like the reign of terror because WWE is just too boring and bland to be watchable. Cena with his 42 appearance carried WWE in 2025 to give fans something to enjoy yet Triple Nose is hell bent on driving away all the fans with his jaded booking.
And its such a shame that you're having Cena get beaten by Raquel, Roxanne and Liv in his penultimate appearance and that guy was your World Champion just a few months ago. Awful awful booking.
Only triple kutta can somehow botch the ending of a star studded survivor series match with all big names vs each other in teams.
 
So we are going to get Roman v Cody at WrestleMania? Again!? Why?

How can you possibly botch up the easiest and biggest money match - Punk v Roman at WrestleMania?

F Triple H
 
I've seen so many people talk bad about the new Born Again Christian Shawn Michaels, I'm convinced he never changed. Hurricane and Maven said the same thing in the past. And now Mr. Kennedy says the same. Anyways, all you need to do is read his autobiography Heartbreak & Triumph, you'll know how much he has 'changed'. Regardless, my favorite wrestler of all time by a big distance. Will always be his #1 fan, irrespective of how he is as a person.


I think he has changed. Hurricane and Shawn have buried the hatchet too. Doesn't absolve him of all the crap he pulled back in the day, but I think he has changed over the years.

But as great as he was in the ring, he still won't ever hold a candle to the excellence of execution
 
I felt like throwing my TV remote at the screen when that company mascot started yeeting to his entrance music in the middle of a freakin' WarGames match. I can't believe something like this was allowed to happen. It was so jarring and completely took you out of what was supposed to be a serious match. Only Triple H could have the most star-studded line-up of wrestlers for WarGames and give fans this steaming pile of crap.
 
Only triple kutta can somehow botch the ending of a star studded survivor series match with all big names vs each other in teams.
It was the worst Survivor Series since 2018 when it was Nose again who ruined the mainevent.
Cena has been booked like crap and without a plan. Even Cena has stated that. Considering how much he has done for WWE over the last 2 decades, it is pathetic from WWE to book him so badly in his retirement year.
 
So we are going to get Roman v Cody at WrestleMania? Again!? Why?

How can you possibly botch up the easiest and biggest money match - Punk v Roman at WrestleMania?

F Triple H
The bigger question, why is The Vision still involved in the main event feuds?
That is easily the worst thing with WWE at this moment.
Can't expect Roman alone to make WWE watchable with his part time schedule going forwards. Cena did it admirably this year. Easily the wrestler of the year.
 
I think he has changed. Hurricane and Shawn have buried the hatchet too. Doesn't absolve him of all the crap he pulled back in the day, but I think he has changed over the years.

But as great as he was in the ring, he still won't ever hold a candle to the excellence of execution
I was always a bigger HBK fan than Bret's. Think it's upto everyone what kind of wrestling style they prefer. There's no right or wrong choice in it.
 
I find it pretty funny that jobber youtubers are comparing Cena with Tanahashi and actually saying Tanahashi to be a better all round package than Cena.
I ironically find Tanahashi to be a very boring wrestler with all of his matches more or less following the same pattern. Okada is a much bigger upgrade over Tanahashi who just keeps repeating the same 4 moves three of four times in all his matches and marks like Pretzel praise it as "art".
 
I've seen so many people talk bad about the new Born Again Christian Shawn Michaels, I'm convinced he never changed. Hurricane and Maven said the same thing in the past. And now Mr. Kennedy says the same. Anyways, all you need to do is read his autobiography Heartbreak & Triumph, you'll know how much he has 'changed'. Regardless, my favorite wrestler of all time by a big distance. Will always be his #1 fan, irrespective of how he is as a person.



I am recovering from a health issue but saw this post & had to respond, are you seriously going to take the opinion of two jobbers as gospel?

Shawn has apologised again & again for the 90’s and he pretty much agreed with all the criticisms, he doesn’t even remember anything from that time.

Just because you become religious, it doesn’t make you perfect & am sure he has his flaws. Those two definitely got a bone to pick with him, it’s not Shawn’s fault they couldn’t get over, he literally made so many guys when he came back & was truly the face of the RA era because of how unselfish he was in the ring, he elevated Jeff Hardy to championship status, put over Shelton & went out to bat for him backstage, truly helped Randy Orton & Cena get to the next level, was very generous to the likes of Edge, Benoit & Jericho; there’s a trend here isn’t there, where his buddy failed, Shawn thrived & made everyone else look like a million dollars.

Who you really ought to be criticising is Triple Fraud, in the words of Bret, this is the guy that was completely sober, what was his excuse? All this bs about H being there for Shawn is false, we don’t really know what H was doing to a Shawn out of his head behind the scenes, a Shawn that was suicidal I may add, he use to talk about dying right after WM 10 so he would be remembered like Elvis. H didn’t help Shawn in any way and I have serious suspicions about his relationship with him in the late 90’s.

There are more folk who speak highly of Shawn in and out the ring then not during his second run, & presently it’s all sunshine & rainbows, with him being a father figure to the next gen of talent he is taking care of in NXT.
 
I find it pretty funny that jobber youtubers are comparing Cena with Tanahashi and actually saying Tanahashi to be a better all round package than Cena.
I ironically find Tanahashi to be a very boring wrestler with all of his matches more or less following the same pattern. Okada is a much bigger upgrade over Tanahashi who just keeps repeating the same 4 moves three of four times in all his matches and marks like Pretzel praise it as "art".

Comparing the two is silly but I respect Tanahashi, he is Japan’s John Cena equivalent & after how Okada has tainted his legacy in AEW, Tanahashi is somebody who I rate higher, he already is regarded as a bigger star in Japan and he helped shape Okada who then flushed it all down the toilet……’b!tch’ - well done Rainmaker Sahib for learning the art of one word promo’s.
 
Only triple kutta can somehow botch the ending of a star studded survivor series match with all big names vs each other in teams.

It hasn’t been perfect but no matter what H has tried to do, Cena has done his best to make this tour special & he kind of has in his own way, rising above the terrible booking & doing his utmost to make everyone else look good, he was too unselfish with The Judgement Day. H probably was enjoying it all but little does he know this enhancing Cena’s legacy in the long run, while H will always be remembered as a selfish 4/10 fraud, Cena is the complete opposite.
 
It hasn’t been perfect but no matter what H has tried to do, Cena has done his best to make this tour special & he kind of has in his own way, rising above the terrible booking & doing his utmost to make everyone else look good, he was too unselfish with The Judgement Day. H probably was enjoying it all but little does he know this enhancing Cena’s legacy in the long run, while H will always be remembered as a selfish 4/10 fraud, Cena is the complete opposite.
Cena putting Raquel and Roxanne over will boost their career for as long as they are active, they will always have that achievement on their record of attacking the GOAT which no other woman can claim.

Any other male superstar would think this is beneath them but Cena at this point can do nothing in the ring to reduce his aura. Bro is putting every single person man woman or child over on the way out 😂
 
Cena putting Raquel and Roxanne over will boost their career for as long as they are active, they will always have that achievement on their record of attacking the GOAT which no other woman can claim.

Any other male superstar would think this is beneath them but Cena at this point can do nothing in the ring to reduce his aura. Bro is putting every single person man woman or child over on the way out 😂

He even put the ring announcer over, while H use to use them to get himself over; e.g. Lilian Garcia, no one was safe in the RA era from his terror. Triple Prik can’t fathom how loved Cena is.

I actually have changed my mind on his final match & feel Cena should go over, he has always been an uplifting character who has given this business everything, and even more than Cena himself, the fans need this, he is our Ali, real life super hero whatever you want to say he’s that guy.
 
When Cena made his entrance at SS they waited for the sun to set, quite literally on his career as well, that idea didn’t come from H I can assure you. Was a nice touch.
 
I was always a bigger HBK fan than Bret's. Think it's upto everyone what kind of wrestling style they prefer. There's no right or wrong choice in it.

I love both & in the 90’s it comes down to preference, Shawn pioneered the modern WWE style & how you should best work in gimmick matches, I know Bret says they work more like him then Hogan, but a lot of the time wrestlers try to be more like Shawn but with no psychology behind what they do, with Bret’s style there’s like a handful of wrestlers who have strived to perfect what he achieved, namely Benoit, Bryan etc but one of them killed himself literally in and out the ring, while the other got too hurt in my view to ever be too comparable to Bret, the closest thing to Bret weirdly is CM Punk when you consider his creativity in the ring. Bret took so much pride in not only bringing realism to wrestling, but protecting himself and others so I can understand his anger when an unprofessional git like Goldberg and 4/10 rodents got in the way of that.

However, for me personally, when you consider Shawn’s second run, there’s no competition, I think as great as Bret was & always will be, Shawn is the greatest in-ring performer ever / story teller in wrestling history and when I see some of the feuds he was involved in & how Michaels character work evolved in his twilight, he honestly is in a league of his own, he bought Academy Award level / Movie style narratives to wrestling and made it all work, Shakespearean wrestling. You go back to the RA era & it’s not Benoit or 4/10 or Cena or Edge no disrespect, but Shawn made that era, every epic storyline & he was a centre piece in each one.

And listening to his interview with CCV & how he views wrestling reinforces my belief, there is nobody in wrestling past or present who has such a forward view of what the product should be, a true master.
 
Comparing the two is silly but I respect Tanahashi, he is Japan’s John Cena equivalent & after how Okada has tainted his legacy in AEW, Tanahashi is somebody who I rate higher, he already is regarded as a bigger star in Japan and he helped shape Okada who then flushed it all down the toilet……’b!tch’ - well done Rainmaker Sahib for learning the art of one word promo’s.
I like Tanahashi, the guy has an incredible look and is very charismatic but I don't think he is as gifted as Okada inside the ring. I haven't seen much of Okada's work in AEW apart from a 2-3 matches so can't really say. But Okada of Japan was a better than Tanahashi IMO. His matches really gravitated and pulled the viewers in. But yes Tanahashi has a great eye for talent as well. He was the one who took Ospreay under his wing and helped him understand in ring psychology apart from just spots.
 
I love both & in the 90’s it comes down to preference, Shawn pioneered the modern WWE style & how you should best work in gimmick matches, I know Bret says they work more like him then Hogan, but a lot of the time wrestlers try to be more like Shawn but with no psychology behind what they do, with Bret’s style there’s like a handful of wrestlers who have strived to perfect what he achieved, namely Benoit, Bryan etc but one of them killed himself literally in and out the ring, while the other got too hurt in my view to ever be too comparable to Bret, the closest thing to Bret weirdly is CM Punk when you consider his creativity in the ring. Bret took so much pride in not only bringing realism to wrestling, but protecting himself and others so I can understand his anger when an unprofessional git like Goldberg and 4/10 rodents got in the way of that.

However, for me personally, when you consider Shawn’s second run, there’s no competition, I think as great as Bret was & always will be, Shawn is the greatest in-ring performer ever / story teller in wrestling history and when I see some of the feuds he was involved in & how Michaels character work evolved in his twilight, he honestly is in a league of his own, he bought Academy Award level / Movie style narratives to wrestling and made it all work, Shakespearean wrestling. You go back to the RA era & it’s not Benoit or 4/10 or Cena or Edge no disrespect, but Shawn made that era, every epic storyline & he was a centre piece in each one.

And listening to his interview with CCV & how he views wrestling reinforces my belief, there is nobody in wrestling past or present who has such a forward view of what the product should be, a true master.
And Bret was born in the business. HBK took to it later on.
Shawn was also a bit better on mic IMO.
Another thing that weighs on HBK is his style of wrestling and matches is for everyone to enjoy casual fans, kids, hardcore etc. But to really appreciate Bret's matches, you need to be an actual wrestling fan. Don't think kids or casuals can really appreciate how much Bret is killing it in the ring and how much he is working hard in his matches.
But I'd say again it's a subjective thing and there's no really right or wrong answer.
But Shawn definitely was a big jerk in 90s. There's more than just a few people who have attested to that.
 
He even put the ring announcer over, while H use to use them to get himself over; e.g. Lilian Garcia, no one was safe in the RA era from his terror. Triple Prik can’t fathom how loved Cena is.

I actually have changed my mind on his final match & feel Cena should go over, he has always been an uplifting character who has given this business everything, and even more than Cena himself, the fans need this, he is our Ali, real life super hero whatever you want to say he’s that guy.
I don't think he'll be winning his final match. And as good as Gunther is, him retiring two big names like Cena and Goldberg inside a year doesn't sit well with me. I hope it's LA Knight. Gunther doesn't have much to gain from retiring Cena tbh and I don't want to see Cena passed out in his final match.
 
I don't think he'll be winning his final match. And as good as Gunther is, him retiring two big names like Cena and Goldberg inside a year doesn't sit well with me. I hope it's LA Knight. Gunther doesn't have much to gain from retiring Cena tbh and I don't want to see Cena passed out in his final match.

Cena should win his final match.

Making him lose would be a farce and a blunder.
 
I don't think he'll be winning his final match. And as good as Gunther is, him retiring two big names like Cena and Goldberg inside a year doesn't sit well with me. I hope it's LA Knight. Gunther doesn't have much to gain from retiring Cena tbh and I don't want to see Cena passed out in his final match.

I think Gunther does and will use the heat well, there’s too much damage to repair still from him tapping out to Jey Botchso
 
Cena should win his final match.

Making him lose would be a farce and a blunder.

I think either LA or Gunther would benefit from it personally, however, Cena is like a super-hero and it fits his character so well to go over one last time & uplift all the make-a-wish kids and people battling disease & cancer who look to him for inspiration. But if I put my wrestling cap on, you go out on your back most of the time but something in me with Cena especially, it doesn’t sit well or feel right, & unfortunately how can Triple H go with his gut when he is so gutless.
 

I got this a few years ago and picked up to play for a few mins yesterday, when this first came out I didn’t appreciate the gameplay because it was too arcade for me (I like it more now), but when you compare it to the 2k series now, this was so much fun in all honesty, I could just get right into it and do whatever I wanted, it’s not thin on options or things you can do either & looking back, this game was a re-visit to all the legendary wrestling games with the story mode, match-types etc & arcade gameplay mechanics. I would put it up there with the best ever produced by THQ & a fitting swan-song for all their released because after this, 2k took over the franchise.
 
I think either LA or Gunther would benefit from it personally, however, Cena is like a super-hero and it fits his character so well to go over one last time & uplift all the make-a-wish kids and people battling disease & cancer who look to him for inspiration. But if I put my wrestling cap on, you go out on your back most of the time but something in me with Cena especially, it doesn’t sit well or feel right, & unfortunately how can Triple H go with his gut when he is so gutless.

Agree.

Cena is not just any wrestler. He is argubly the greatest pro-wrestler of all time.

It should be a happy ending.

It is not about burying a talent. It is about giving a GOAT a good sendoff.
 
Agree.

Cena is not just any wrestler. He is argubly the greatest pro-wrestler of all time.

It should be a happy ending.

It is not about burying a talent. It is about giving a GOAT a good sendoff.

It comes down to respect & H got none, in-fact as much as I appreciate Cena’s work during this run, I recognise all the booking issues and I can say with full confidence that Tony Khan of all people would have given Cena the send-off he deserves, going by how well he treated Sting who despite my issues with the match itself, got to ride out on a big high, on top, in a historic arena he was synonymous with throughout his career. Then again every booker has his favourites and both H & Khan done Punk dirty. But H is a more sinister chalak admi because he will make your death slow & painful, and professionally bury you due to his insecurities.
 
I think Gunther does and will use the heat well, there’s too much damage to repair still from him tapping out to Jey Botchso
Yes I like Gunther, but then again do we really want Cena to lose his final match? I think everyone watching SNME would want to go home happy and see Super Cena winning it one last time. And I think LA Knight would have be a better opponent for him there cause he can recover pretty well even from the losses. But on the flipside, Knight isn't really the guy to take Cena to his limits.
I think someone like AJ or Roman would have been the ideal opponent for him. Cena overcoming Roman for the first time in his final match would have been a spectacle and Roman always delivers when it comes to big matches. Drew would have been a great option as well but he himself has been booked like a jobber.
 
Agree.

Cena is not just any wrestler. He is argubly the greatest pro-wrestler of all time.

It should be a happy ending.

It is not about burying a talent. It is about giving a GOAT a good sendoff.
Cena is too selfless to ask to win his final match and Triple nose is too petty to let him win.
 
It comes down to respect & H got none, in-fact as much as I appreciate Cena’s work during this run, I recognise all the booking issues and I can say with full confidence that Tony Khan of all people would have given Cena the send-off he deserves, going by how well he treated Sting who despite my issues with the match itself, got to ride out on a big high, on top, in a historic arena he was synonymous with throughout his career. Then again every booker has his favourites and both H & Khan done Punk dirty. But H is a more sinister chalak admi because he will make your death slow & painful, and professionally bury you due to his insecurities.
This is why I was supporting Dwayne over Nose in the power struggle, because whoever Dwayne would have chosen to end up replacing Nose, he wouldn't have been worse than him. And despite being away from prowrestling for 20 years, he still has better instincts about wrestling and what the audience wants to see than Nose who's been leeching off the business for 30 years.
 
This is why I was supporting Dwayne over Nose in the power struggle, because whoever Dwayne would have chosen to end up replacing Nose, he wouldn't have been worse than him. And despite being away from prowrestling for 20 years, he still has better instincts about wrestling and what the audience wants to see than Nose who's been leeching off the business for 30 years.
Rock actually knows how to build characters and stories. Kutta doesn’t. Rock isn’t afraid to think outside the box. He has an ego but no different to Cena in that regard when both were in their prime and when time comes to put his sword down and put talent over, he will do it no problems.

Someone like Kutta who is selfish, low wrestling IQ, low creativity has no business being at the helm.
 
Rock put people over like crazy and knows what it takes to get over organically and without being shoved onto the audience, because he’s been there and done it himself. He would at least appreciate that with guys like LA Knight, Drew, Chad Gable and give then the spotlight instead of trying to 1 up the audience. Guy put that hurricane guy over LOL. Kutta couldn’t even put Booker over when it was necessary.

Kutta was never over and needed Vince under the guise of dating his daughter to pit him against whoever was the face of the company at the time so he could ride their coattails and get the breadcrumbs of their fame to keep going. This is why he can never appreciate someone getting over all by themselves without his help.

He should be very grateful that both Austin and Rock left at the same time so his daddy in law could plug that void with him, but it wouldn’t be too long before Batista, Cena, Edge and Randy all left him in the dust.
 
Rock put people over like crazy and knows what it takes to get over organically and without being shoved onto the audience, because he’s been there and done it himself. He would at least appreciate that with guys like LA Knight, Drew, Chad Gable and give then the spotlight instead of trying to 1 up the audience. Guy put that hurricane guy over LOL. Kutta couldn’t even put Booker over when it was necessary.

Kutta was never over and needed Vince under the guise of dating his daughter to pit him against whoever was the face of the company at the time so he could ride their coattails and get the breadcrumbs of their fame to keep going. This is why he can never appreciate someone getting over all by themselves without his help.

He should be very grateful that both Austin and Rock left at the same time so his daddy in law could plug that void with him, but it wouldn’t be too long before Batista, Cena, Edge and Randy all left him in the dust.

Yup.

Rock put over Brock Lesnar, for example (2002 SummerSlam).
 
Rock actually knows how to build characters and stories. Kutta doesn’t. Rock isn’t afraid to think outside the box. He has an ego but no different to Cena in that regard when both were in their prime and when time comes to put his sword down and put talent over, he will do it no problems.

Someone like Kutta who is selfish, low wrestling IQ, low creativity has no business being at the helm.
The most irritating thing about him is his persistence on shoving his favorite storyline and arcs despite the fans vehemently rejecting all of them. It's like him saying, "it's a masterpiece i am giving you, just wait and it will get better" instead it keeps on getting worse and worse. I see no point in continuing the whole Vision angle. Bron should simply assume the leader role and they need to move on from Seth.
 
Rock put people over like crazy and knows what it takes to get over organically and without being shoved onto the audience, because he’s been there and done it himself. He would at least appreciate that with guys like LA Knight, Drew, Chad Gable and give then the spotlight instead of trying to 1 up the audience. Guy put that hurricane guy over LOL. Kutta couldn’t even put Booker over when it was necessary.

Kutta was never over and needed Vince under the guise of dating his daughter to pit him against whoever was the face of the company at the time so he could ride their coattails and get the breadcrumbs of their fame to keep going. This is why he can never appreciate someone getting over all by themselves without his help.

He should be very grateful that both Austin and Rock left at the same time so his daddy in law could plug that void with him, but it wouldn’t be too long before Batista, Cena, Edge and Randy all left him in the dust.
And Edge played the smart heel 100x better than Nose ever did. And Edge could actually wrestle proper entertaining matches.
 
I am recovering from a health issue but saw this post & had to respond, are you seriously going to take the opinion of two jobbers as gospel?

Shawn has apologised again & again for the 90’s and he pretty much agreed with all the criticisms, he doesn’t even remember anything from that time.

Just because you become religious, it doesn’t make you perfect & am sure he has his flaws. Those two definitely got a bone to pick with him, it’s not Shawn’s fault they couldn’t get over, he literally made so many guys when he came back & was truly the face of the RA era because of how unselfish he was in the ring, he elevated Jeff Hardy to championship status, put over Shelton & went out to bat for him backstage, truly helped Randy Orton & Cena get to the next level, was very generous to the likes of Edge, Benoit & Jericho; there’s a trend here isn’t there, where his buddy failed, Shawn thrived & made everyone else look like a million dollars.

Who you really ought to be criticising is Triple Fraud, in the words of Bret, this is the guy that was completely sober, what was his excuse? All this bs about H being there for Shawn is false, we don’t really know what H was doing to a Shawn out of his head behind the scenes, a Shawn that was suicidal I may add, he use to talk about dying right after WM 10 so he would be remembered like Elvis. H didn’t help Shawn in any way and I have serious suspicions about his relationship with him in the late 90’s.

There are more folk who speak highly of Shawn in and out the ring then not during his second run, & presently it’s all sunshine & rainbows, with him being a father figure to the next gen of talent he is taking care of in NXT.
Hope you're doing okay bro. Best wishes
 
Gunther v Solo on RAW was probably my favorite WWE match in a long time. I'm convinced Gunther is some kind of a magician, he even got a good match out of Solo. Although tbf, Solo himself was fantastic here. This is how you do a match between two heels.
 
Gunther v Solo on RAW was probably my favorite WWE match in a long time. I'm convinced Gunther is some kind of a magician, he even got a good match out of Solo. Although tbf, Solo himself was fantastic here. This is how you do a match between two heels.
Haven't been able to watch Raw this week for some reason. Feels like it will be super boring as usual. I didn't feel that way even back in 2018. NXT was absolutely killing it every week back then
 
Same.

There was something about him that felt repulsive. LOL.

His finisher was retarded too. Alabama Slam. I want him to try that on Big Show. LOL.
Alabama slam and Falcon Arrow were both decent. It's just Holly was too repulsive and generic. And his backstage stories make him even more loathsome.
 
Gunther v Solo on RAW was probably my favorite WWE match in a long time. I'm convinced Gunther is some kind of a magician, he even got a good match out of Solo. Although tbf, Solo himself was fantastic here. This is how you do a match between two heels.
Bro the more important thing is why are you up at 4 am? :p
 
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