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I wish they were doing atleast one classic Survivor Series elimination match at Survivor Series. Even if it was Solo's jobber Bloodline vs. Sami and friends.
 
The_KING said:
20 years ago today, the legendary Eddie Guerrero passed away.

I remember going on to the wwe website and reading that Eddie had passed away. At first I thought it was a storyline but sadly, that wasn’t the case. 😭

Eddie was my absolute favourite during 2002-05. His passing hit me so hard and still to this day, his passing hurts me so much. He had so much more left to give to the wrestling business. Just imagine if Eddie was still alive today, he could have been Dominic’s manager or something. I miss Eddie so much. :cry:
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Not a fan off 3 doors down but this tribute hits deep, WWE put it out exactly 20 years ago:


There’s not anybody who weren’t fans of his, he made everyone smile and no bad word is ever said about Eddie; if there ever was a criticism, it was that he took too much pride in his work and loved this business to the point it became overwhelming.

He was also my nan’s favourite wrestler and we use to watch Smackdown on Sky together every Saturday morning, she isn’t in this world anymore either and this video hits me even harder. My nan use to laugh at his comedy & punch me and say, how can you tell me that doesn’t hurt? lol
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Wargames is always 5v5
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They’ve prostituted a legendary gimmick match & PPV with one stone quiet literally, 1-2 week build for the main matches as well, does TKO think it saves money by keeping H’s brain in the off switch?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I wish they were doing atleast one classic Survivor Series elimination match at Survivor Series. Even if it was Solo's jobber Bloodline vs. Sami and friends.
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Wargames should be a stipulation for special occasions not just for Survivor series every year like HIAC.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Big Show became a big jobber later in his career.
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Don’t think Vince knew how to best utilize Kane and Big Show.

Esp Kane. Should’ve done way more in the attitude era.

Undertaker is the only “big guy” that was used real well and even then he had a lot of his own input and creative control on things after he had been there long enough. American badass was completely his idea iirc because he thought a different side of him was required for the attitude era.
 
Suleiman said:
Don’t think Vince knew how to best utilize Kane and Big Show.

Esp Kane. Should’ve done way more in the attitude era.

Undertaker is the only “big guy” that was used real well and even then he had a lot of his own input and creative control on things after he had been there long enough. American badass was completely his idea iirc because he thought a different side of him was required for the attitude era.
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Kane is pretty underrated as a big man cause he was always compared with Taker (who is easily the best big wrestler of all time). Kane mimicked Taker's style very well and arguably did chokeslam better than him. Kane was a pretty good wrestler, great personality, promos, character work, in ring psyche might have been his weakest point but he was way better than the others. He was Mr Royal Rumble for majority of his career before he got totally neutered after 2010 but even then he adapted very well to the comic side and had his last good feud against Seth when he was portraying both Corporate Kane and Masked Kane. Should have held WWE title more times than he did.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think Big Show wasn't used right in WWE.

He was utilized much better in WCW.
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Past 2004 he lost all his mystique as well, I guess it was the times as well and the fact he thrived during the MN Wars was a big thing as well. But no doubt WCW got more out of him in that environment and used him quiet well to get Goldberg over.
 
shaz619 said:
I think Roman was arguably the best Heyman guy ever and the best student Heyman ever managed, and these two as a pair were special:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989029536579637541
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Neck to neck with Brock IMO. He taught Brock how to make money and be a draw(which is what Brock wanted, Brock raised his own profile through UFC as well). The heights which Roman improved is just massive. Roman seems to know every thing that clicks with pro wrestling it seems.
 
shaz619 said:
Not a fan off 3 doors down but this tribute hits deep, WWE put it out exactly 20 years ago:


There’s not anybody who weren’t fans of his, he made everyone smile and no bad word is ever said about Eddie; if there ever was a criticism, it was that he took too much pride in his work and loved this business to the point it became overwhelming.

He was also my nan’s favourite wrestler and we use to watch Smackdown on Sky together every Saturday morning, she isn’t in this world anymore either and this video hits me even harder. My nan use to laugh at his comedy & punch me and say, how can you tell me that doesn’t hurt? lol
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Thank you, bro, for posting this tribute. I remember watching it religiously 20 years ago when Eddie passed. It always made me so emotional.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Big Show became a big jobber later in his career.
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Big Show doesn't get the respect that he deserves because of the way he was treated. For a giant, he was a pretty good worker and had many good matches, but fans remember him as a joke because of the constant face and heel turns. He very rarely got booked as the unstoppable giant that he should have been booked as.
 
Suleiman said:
Don’t think Vince knew how to best utilize Kane and Big Show.

Esp Kane. Should’ve done way more in the attitude era.

Undertaker is the only “big guy” that was used real well and even then he had a lot of his own input and creative control on things after he had been there long enough. American badass was completely his idea iirc because he thought a different side of him was required for the attitude era.
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Even Undertaker was put in some crappy feuds with some absolutely terrible wrestlers, such as The Giant Gonzalez, The Great Khali, Heindreich, etc.
 
The_KING said:
Even Undertaker was put in some crappy feuds with some absolutely terrible wrestlers, such as The Giant Gonzalez, The Great Khali, Heindreich, etc.
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Yeah Vince didn’t know how to use these big guys- which is crazy because he’s such a mark for them lol.

Just started using them as jobbers to put over new talent aside from undertaker who was a proper legend by mid 2000s and he couldn’t use him to job.
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah Vince didn’t know how to use these big guys- which is crazy because he’s such a mark for them lol.

Just started using them as jobbers to put over new talent aside from undertaker who was a proper legend by mid 2000s and he couldn’t use him to job.
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Undertaker was too big a star for him to job to anyone. If anything Undertaker was used far better in the latter half of his career. From 2007 onwards, Undertaker had some of his best matches because he was actually booked against guys who weren’t absolute duds in the ring.
 
Can’t believe it’s been 20 years since Eddie died. What a superstar and what a performer. Things really started to change from that point onwards.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Neck to neck with Brock IMO. He taught Brock how to make money and be a draw(which is what Brock wanted, Brock raised his own profile through UFC as well). The heights which Roman improved is just massive. Roman seems to know every thing that clicks with pro wrestling it seems.
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The reason I am going with Reigns is because of how Heyman exploited his full potential and the trajectory prior to them joining forces, Lesnar was always going to be a success with or without Heyman, but I feel with Reigns, Heyman used all his experience to get the most of him and the transformation for me makes him the top Heyman guy
 
Bhaijaan said:
Can’t believe it’s been 20 years since Eddie died. What a superstar and what a performer. Things really started to change from that point onwards.
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That was the start & when Benoit passed, the industry turned upside down, they changed the product overnight.

If these two were still alive, that moment at the conclusion of WM 20 would still be the single greatest in history.
 
The_KING said:
Undertaker was too big a star for him to job to anyone. If anything Undertaker was used far better in the latter half of his career. From 2007 onwards, Undertaker had some of his best matches because he was actually booked against guys who weren’t absolute duds in the ring.
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Undertaker was always a highly skilled & technically sound big man who grew up watching wrestling in the Texas territories he was inspired by the Von Erich’s & Freebirds, he even worked with Bruiser Brody at a very early stage, I think we can’t fathom how dedicated Taker was to his gimmick because for so many years he had to hold back in the ring, it must have dented his confidence to some extent as well and just working through that must not have been easy. I think he ultimately paid the price later in the career when he started working more like he wanted as an older man when his youthful body would have recovered better from all the punishment he took as a big man. I think that unlike a certain someone who needed the bells & whistles / better workers, Taker could have had a great match with anyone not named The Great Poo Poo or Giant Turd.
 
shaz619 said:
Lesnar was always going to be a success with or without Heyman, but I feel with Reigns, Heyman used all his experience to get the most of him and the transformation for me makes him the top Heyman guy
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Lesnar when he first arrived in WWE was very raw in promo works. He needed a mouthpiece.

Roman on the other hand had already been established by Vince as the next corporate star and he went up a level after joining Heyman.

I'd say Brock needed Heyman more than Roman Reigns needed Heyman.

But the best Paul Heyman guy has to be Punk. Already GOAT level in promos and his work went up a fair notch higher later.
 
sithb said:
Lesnar when he first arrived in WWE was very raw in promo works. He needed a mouthpiece.

Roman on the other hand had already been established by Vince as the next corporate star and he went up a level after joining Heyman.

I'd say Brock needed Heyman more than Roman Reigns needed Heyman.

But the best Paul Heyman guy has to be Punk. Already GOAT level in promos and his work went up a fair notch higher later.
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Lesnar during on/off storylines with/without Heyman always had a presence and he even did well on his own as a face without Heyman in his corner when he was feuding with the likes of Kurt Angle & Big Show. Having someone like Heyman at the start of your career is good for anyone really & Lesnar / Heyman were great together, but I can’t see Lesnar not having the career he did if he wasn’t managed by Heyman, and the same applies to Punk; Heyman helped solidify both guys, but with Reigns he took a guy who was regarded as a main-eventer but not like a Lesnar or Punk, but together they got to that level.

I never had an issue with Reigns but sentiment around his push & character was always negative, and while he had casual fans, they never quiet supported him like they did John Cena. Changing that perception when it came to his star power & making him an overnight box office draw was quiet unique in this case compared to all the other guys Heyman managed, it was a special run we may never see replicated in the modern era.
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah Vince didn’t know how to use these big guys- which is crazy because he’s such a mark for them lol.

Just started using them as jobbers to put over new talent aside from undertaker who was a proper legend by mid 2000s and he couldn’t use him to job.
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I think Shawn, Bret, Austin & Rock made him just look at it differently and pop culture took a big shift as well with the AE era, maybe he just started to look at the big men as liabilities as well after realising that smaller workers could do big business. He was so blown away by AJ Styles and what he did for Reigns who was under so much scrutiny that he made him champ within 6 months and regretted not signing him 10 years earlier, this was when people thought Vince would be petty against TNA guys, little did they know it was his son in law who held such negative feelings & attitudes, I think we don’t know the half of it, as much as people disliked Vince, it was always H rubbing everyone the wrong way & Vince simply took the hit, Punk exposed 4/10 on the podcast he did with Cabana when he first left.
 
Shawn Michaels shared some insight on when he did his famous entrance from the zip-line at WM 12,

Again, why hasn’t nobody asked him such good questions since the Canadian douche CCV
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Anyway, before his matches, he always needs to take a nervous leak, you’d never think about it but that’s what the GOAT had to do so he can focus on the entrance & match.

In this case he was a little compromised because his mentor/coach went out first and Michaels was stuck waiting in the rafters, and while he was up there, he took a leak! He was probably scared to but shut his mind on the match and what he needed to & he wanted to focus on being charismatic when he came down the zip-line!

You go back and watch it again & it’s one of the coolest moments in wrestling!

And after all that they had the famous Iron-Man match, he & Bret!
 

Translation:

‘I know 4/10 is the head booker & can’t trust such a clueless mind with something I came up with very creatively, even my Uncle says so.’

@Suleiman
 
shaz619 said:

Translation:

‘I know 4/10 is the head booker & can’t trust such a clueless mind with something I came up with very creatively, even my Uncle says so.’

@Suleiman
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You remember that gimmick they tried to push on her in wwe? How sad and pathetic certain people are in wwe man.

Deserved more title runs.

Let’s see how kutta h sabotages Zack Ryder 2.0. Ironic he had to face La knight because just like Matt Cardona he is immensely talented and destined for world championship stage but being used to job and nothing more
 
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Suleiman said:
You remember that gimmick they tried to push on her in wwe? How sad and pathetic certain people are in wwe man.

Deserved more title runs.

Let’s see how kutta h sabotages Zack Ryder 2.0. Ironic he had to face La knight because just like Matt Cardona he is immensely talented and destined for world championship stage but being used to job and nothing more
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There’s an old interview where he & Cena are being asked Q’s about Zack Ryder & Cena is nothing but so positive while H is talking in such a condescending manner as if he is the final chapter in this business, it’s interesting he booked the two people he dislikes so much for getting themselves over in the same match. And Natalya has sharpened up now, I completely agree, she’s a personified legend and the greatest female technician who will ever live, so many women owe their careers to her, she has done more for wrestling then 4/10 ever did
 
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BouncerGuy said:
This is fun but I think HHH wants a sophisticated end to John Cena's career... We have seen it all in last few months so... It will just be the end of CENAAAAAA
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Yeah, I posted though because I had no idea Cena actually embraced the Juan Cena meme and put on the mask haha

That’s why he’s one of the best to do it up with stone cold, rock etc in terms of character work… he listens to the fans and adjusts accordingly
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah, I posted though because I had no idea Cena actually embraced the Juan Cena meme and put on the mask haha

That’s why he’s one of the best to do it up with stone cold, rock etc in terms of character work… he listens to the fans and adjusts accordingly
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Yeah... GOAT for a reason...
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah, I posted though because I had no idea Cena actually embraced the Juan Cena meme and put on the mask haha

That’s why he’s one of the best to do it up with stone cold, rock etc in terms of character work… he listens to the fans and adjusts accordingly
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There was a point when he was using some very random finishers to win, and not many knew this until now, but he was taking ideas from the make a wish kids and incorporating them into his matches.

If wrestling ever had their very own Muhammad Ali, Cena is the closest thing imo
 
So they booked a Survivor Series-style Elimination match, but not for Survivor Series, but a random a$$ ep. of SmackDown.

What a 🤡 booker this tool is.
 
McIntyre as the fourth man makes sense. He is currently in a feud with Cody and has history with Punk and Bloodline too. Fifth man for them has to be Brock. Surely.

The pop gonna be massive when Brock and Roman return on RAW next week at MSG.
 
Get one of the uso's taken out by the Vision. They replace him with Gunther. Gunther can give a speech all about how he values professional wrestling and Vision especially Logan Paul is anything but professional wrestling.

Brock lands up on team vision and ends up costing them the match when he attacks Bron after being pushed too many times. Would be poetic justice letting Heyman get screwed by one of his protege's when he's usually the one doing it. After Heyman gets caught in the middle of the ring with Brock, Reigns and Punk... he somehow escapes out of the ring to the announce area where Rollins who makes a one time return pushes him back to the ring. Three careful finishers and then the faces celebrate.
 
Oh and tease the tensions between the face team and gunther throughout the match only for him to stand by his word at the end. Won't quite make Gunther a face, but atleast makes it believable.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @Suleiman @BunnyRabbit @The_KING

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987598922462920791
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This is what his reign of terror looked like when he made himself the focal point & he’s still up to his usual tricks. The worst drawing champion ever, it’s a shame Eddie took all the stress for H’s failures, and H was given such a long rope it was ridiculous. H also refused to help establish Eddie as a main-eventer by refusing the SD gig and didn’t put Eddie over when it made a lot of sense.
 
Will Cena wrestle a match too? It would be stupid if he didn't. It's MSG, WWE's home ground and Cena's last RAW.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @Suleiman @BunnyRabbit @The_KING

https://twitter.com/x/status/1987598922462920791
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When WWE moved over to Netflix at the start of the year, it looked like wrestling was finally getting some mainstream attention again. It was the perfect opportunity for wwe to have another boom period, similar to the attitude era. But idiot Triple H with his inept booking failed to take advantage and it seems like people are once again losing interest in the product.
 
On a serious note, I really hope fans stop going to WWE shows and their business experiences a major downturn. The only people who can hold TKO accountable for their predatory business practices and continued employment of Paul Levesque are the fans. But sometimes with the WWE fans it feels like alot of them are just useful idiots who are drinking the kool-aid, rather than really making a noise about what a creative low-point this is for the company. I mean, you would have to be if you pay thousands of dollars for ring-side seats at their big shows and the chance to get Kevin Nash's signed jockstrap or whatever.
 

'End of an era': John Cena set for final appearance at WWE's Raw​

NEW YORK: World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Intercontinental champion John Cena will make his last appearance on the promotion's flagship show, Monday Night Raw, scheduled here at Madison Square Garden on November 17.

The 17-time world champion, who is set to call time on his illustrious career on December 13 this year, urged the fans not to miss the final episode of Raw in which he would perform, reiterating that he would not be able to wrestle afterwards.

"Tomorrow night on [Netflix] is the end of an era in WWE. Don’t miss the final episode of #WWERaw [you] will ever [see] ME perform in," Cena wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

"No better stage than the iconic [Madison Square Garden] to chant 'Let’s Go Cena' or 'Cena Sucks!' Whatever it is, The Last Time is Now because after this … I can’t wrestle."

Raw's General Manager, Adam Pearce, told international media that Cena would be kicking off the show at the Garden – a venue that has hosted several iconic moments over the years.

During the previous episode of Raw, John Cena further established his legacy by winning his maiden Intercontinental title.

The victory over Dominik Mysterio officially crowned Cena as the 25th Superstar in WWE history to complete the prestigious Grand Slam — holding the WWE, Intercontinental, United States and Tag Team Championships at least once in his illustrious career.

The win also marks the beginning of a new tournament to determine Cena’s final opponent in what has been billed as his farewell tour — a fitting tribute to a career defined by resilience, respect, and record-breaking success.

Source: GEO SUPER
 
I was catching up on SmackDown and watching the Jey Uso v Miz match, and it was amazing to see Miz run circles around Jey in the ring. And I don't even think The Miz is a good wrestler
 
Miz has become a very reliable wrestler. He might not come close to Daniel Bryan or Bryan Danielson but who comes close ?

He's a reliable dependable worker. Almost never injured , very safe in the ring and has done the hard work. Will be a first ballot hall of famer when he does deserve to be inducted.
 
And not to mention his promos. Very few people right now can claim to better on the mic than the miz.
 
Maxine won a title before Chad… yeah this show is on crack, time to sniff the game as triple L says

She’s improved a lot but when you put it into that context you know it’s insane that mans never even won the IC title himself
 
Back to being a jobber for our hero as he returns tonight… sigh
 
The face team heading into wargames looks very light weight when you got the two joke uce's there.

Wrestling will always have an element of the suspension of disbelief but McIntyre , Brock , Bronson, Bron vs the faces can't be taken seriously.

Need some muscle power to make the win believable
 
The start of the show was really nice. Pure fan-service from Cena. The match was a very fun party match, which is exactly what it needed to be on his final RAW. Ended with Cena and a couple of senior babyfaces beating up the cocky heels, and standing tall. Sometimes wrestling is at its best when you just keep things simple.
 
sweep_shot said:
WWE has botched up Cena's final year.

This could've been so much fun.

I personally think Cena's final feud should've been with a veteran like Orton or Punk. Just like how Stone Cold's final match was against The Rock.
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Agreed. I’m a fan of Dominick but that should’ve been done earlier in the year… there’s virtually no intensity for a massive storyline to conclude here which was to be done with an iconic rival like punk, Orton or Lesnar.

Or someone new with as big of stature as them like Reigns

it would be such a travesty if Cena never faces reign 1 on 1. Two icons of two neighboring eras. The post lockdown / covid era ATG and the PG era / carrier of ruthless aggression

Icon vs icon like hogan and rock
 
Suleiman said:
Agreed. I’m a fan of Dominick but that should’ve been done earlier in the year… there’s virtually no intensity for a massive storyline to conclude here which was to be done with an iconic rival like punk, Orton or Lesnar.

Or someone new with as big of stature as them like Reigns

it would be such a travesty if Cena never faces reign 1 on 1. Two icons of two neighboring eras. The post lockdown / covid era ATG and the PG era / carrier of ruthless aggression

Icon vs icon like hogan and rock
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I find Reigns boring. LOL.

Punk vs Cena could have been great. Both are incredible at cutting promos.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It was nice to see DZ on RAW but it was almost like WWE wanted you to forget that they hadn't booked him like a jobber for three years and released him
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It drove home the point that no matter how over you get at wwe or outside if management wants you to be a jobber they will show you as a jobber no matter whatever work you’ve done to become main event material

LA knight, Chad gable, Drew McIntyre and Zack Ryder have entered the chat.
 
RAW & SD have been good recently but I am not sure if that has anything to do with 4/10, Cena has finally been given more of a free hand following his moves with the media after H tried to sabotage him, Cena twisted his arm and reminded him who his abah is, Cena wasn’t born yesterday. There are aspects on both shows which are worth tuning in to & the big fish have come to town as well. The last 4 weeks have been very good & I think H got bored with Chat GPT & delegated to others, despite the drama you can still see him throwing bones up & down the card.

I am not convinced Drew is a permanent Heyman guy either but for now it will make for compelling TV.

Gunther got his legendary theme back as well, it will still take something big to make me forget what they made him do with Jey Uso though.

But what a piece of crap H was for locking Shane all the way at the back, that’s your family man, people can criticise MVP but this alone says it all about the character of the human dumpster who makes Vince Russo look like a pioneer of radical booking.
 
You look everywhere in wrestling now I don’t care but this is the last straw man, you got two personified Heavyweights, all legit, Lesnar & Reigns simply on another level altogether; that final segment was the sh!t, best super-man puncher I’ve ever seen & Lesnar sold it like his life was on the line, in just a few moments of TV these two achieved so much and sold the PPV, H can only dream of being on their level.

Fair play to Ziggler as well, he gave solo his best non-gimmick singles match and proved once again a case of what could have been, same with Zack last week, while Cena tried to shine a light on this guy there was a more devious entity who politicked when he was active as a performer and he continues to do so as a booker, anyone who gets over outside his loop is punished!
 
Apparently the other brain dead booker coke khan did an interview with Ariel Helwani, it will make for captivating viewing if the responses are a little more than:

‘Well, that’s a great question, and you know what, AEW Dynamite is live this week on x date and then we have our hallmark PPV’s this week where you can watch x spank y, and a staple b’s testicles to his forehead and our star attraction Mr. Moxley aka Dusty Rhodes aka Terry Funk aka Mankind will send the crowd home happy by bleeding to death, isn’t that a fine evenings entertainment?’

All while he smiles like a bit dork
 
Did anybody catch this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990605815170953574

It’s nuts because just before this I was playing the same game myself & took pics to share with you guys, man the ECW invasion storyline was pretty good lol

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Bah gawd what option did you guys think I picked aha

It was all set up to be ECW/Alliance vs the All Conquering WWF/WWE hero Stone Cold Steve Austin 👀

This is the PSP 1000 I picked up a bargain on Ebay, main issue with it the UMD door doesn’t close clean because the hinges probably need a clean, last year I went around collecting some models.

Based on my emulation activities / PSP gaming, these are my most replayed wrestling games:

1. SvR 2006 for gameplay and the outstanding season mode

2. Here Comes The Pain - The gameplay is arguably the best

3. WM 2000 N64

4. WCW vs NWO Revenge

5. WWF No Mercy

Interestingly one of the most iconic wrestling games is the least played, I’ve also not included GBA WWE Survivor Series / WM X8 which I’ve been playing more on the PSP Go, the Frog Splash looks so cool from RVD in this game for the 2D action, animation is fantastic.
 
shaz619 said:
Did anybody catch this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990605815170953574

It’s nuts because just before this I was playing the same game myself & took pics to share with you guys, man the ECW invasion storyline was pretty good lol

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Bah gawd what option did you guys think I picked aha

It was all set up to be ECW/Alliance vs the All Conquering WWF/WWE hero Stone Cold Steve Austin 👀

This is the PSP 1000 I picked up a bargain on Ebay, main issue with it the UMD door doesn’t close clean because the hinges probably need a clean, last year I went around collecting some models.

Based on my emulation activities / PSP gaming, these are my most replayed wrestling games:

1. SvR 2006 for gameplay and the outstanding season mode

2. Here Comes The Pain - The gameplay is arguably the best

3. WM 2000 N64

4. WCW vs NWO Revenge

5. WWF No Mercy

Interestingly one of the most iconic wrestling games is the least played, I’ve also not included GBA WWE Survivor Series / WM X8 which I’ve been playing more on the PSP Go, the Frog Splash looks so cool from RVD in this game for the 2D action, animation is fantastic.
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Glad you're having fun bro. That right there is pretty much the Hall of Fame of wrestling games, barring SvR 2007 ofcourse.

WrestleMania X8, did they release that on Xbox and/or Game Cube too or just Game Boy? I don't recall that one being on PS. Same with Day of Reckoning
 
shaz619 said:
Apparently the other brain dead booker coke khan did an interview with Ariel Helwani, it will make for captivating viewing if the responses are a little more than:

‘Well, that’s a great question, and you know what, AEW Dynamite is live this week on x date and then we have our hallmark PPV’s this week where you can watch x spank y, and a staple b’s testicles to his forehead and our star attraction Mr. Moxley aka Dusty Rhodes aka Terry Funk aka Mankind will send the crowd home happy by bleeding to death, isn’t that a fine evenings entertainment?’

All while he smiles like a bit dork
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I am so looking forward to seeing this interview. Every time Tony opens his mouth there are about fifty different things to laugh about. I mean at this point I'm just looking to see if he can complete a sentence without saying the word 'great'. Helwani actually tore him a new one when these two had their feud a few years ago, so it's funny to see Tony come crawling back to him for an interview.
 
shaz619 said:
RAW & SD have been good recently but I am not sure if that has anything to do with 4/10, Cena has finally been given more of a free hand following his moves with the media after H tried to sabotage him, Cena twisted his arm and reminded him who his abah is, Cena wasn’t born yesterday. There are aspects on both shows which are worth tuning in to & the big fish have come to town as well. The last 4 weeks have been very good & I think H got bored with Chat GPT & delegated to others, despite the drama you can still see him throwing bones up & down the card.

I am not convinced Drew is a permanent Heyman guy either but for now it will make for compelling TV.

Gunther got his legendary theme back as well, it will still take something big to make me forget what they made him do with Jey Uso though.

But what a piece of crap H was for locking Shane all the way at the back, that’s your family man, people can criticise MVP but this alone says it all about the character of the human dumpster who makes Vince Russo look like a pioneer of radical booking.
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Even a monkey couldn't have fumbled booking this show. It's Cena's last appearance on RAW, they are in freaking MSG, they have already started this weird tournament where for no reason whatsoever they haven't even revealed the brackets. Not even Doofus can screw up such an easy 2-point lay-up. So I don't think he deserves any credit. Plus, you can't downplay the influence and creative control that Heyman has. Alot of the good stuff has his fingerprints on it and you can tell. The Bloodline storyline was largely Heyman with inputs from Vince and Roman. I'm 99% sure that it's Heyman who is leading the creative direction for this WarGames storyline/match too.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Glad you're having fun bro. That right there is pretty much the Hall of Fame of wrestling games, barring SvR 2007 ofcourse.

WrestleMania X8, did they release that on Xbox and/or Game Cube too or just Game Boy? I don't recall that one being on PS. Same with Day of Reckoning
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I managed to get a sealed SvR 2007 PSP for chump change, outside the horrible cover which makes me want to use it in the bathroom, it might be the best PSP wrestling game and arguably the best in the SvR series although 06 I replay a lot, I am keeping 07 for the rare breaks I get and will see again for myself but when I had it back in the day felt as though the gameplay was so innovative.

I think X8 did come out on the GC and mechanics were similar with DOR; the nintendo games are annoyingly difficult to emulate due to the controls. The GBA one is great though and so was Survivor Series; I heard you could unlock The Rock or Austin if you finished season mode an x number of times but never confirmed that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Even a monkey couldn't have fumbled booking this show. It's Cena's last appearance on RAW, they are in freaking MSG, they have already started this weird tournament where for no reason whatsoever they haven't even revealed the brackets. Not even Doofus can screw up such an easy 2-point lay-up. So I don't think he deserves any credit. Plus, you can't downplay the influence and creative control that Heyman has. Alot of the good stuff has his fingerprints on it and you can tell. The Bloodline storyline was largely Heyman with inputs from Vince and Roman. I'm 99% sure that it's Heyman who is leading the creative direction for this WarGames storyline/match too.
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Some reports suggest the tournament was Cena’s idea & when you see how he talks about using his final stretch to put others over and put a light on them I really believe that, but I don’t quiet believe the counter report that H wanted it to be a 2 hour tribute show, that would be too big of him unless he booked himself in the segments to open and close. Yeah while people were doing a Bhangra over H he had little to do with the Bloodline or the rise of Cody who he sneakily managed to convince everybody had to get beat by his puthar who’s off the shelf now, H was waiting to do that since he saw Cody smash his logo with the hammer. Heyman’s in that board meeting with Ryan Ward as well so he for sure has influence thankfully, I think we can safely tell the difference between something booked by H and something that isn’t because his booking style is so predictable and his views are dated, it’s a challenge for creative to keep things interesting while he keeps the gravy train going with his hand picked favourites.
 
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