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BunnyRabbit said:
Alabama slam and Falcon Arrow were both decent. It's just Holly was too repulsive and generic. And his backstage stories make him even more loathsome.
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Alabama Slam is a jobber finisher.

It is not something he can deliver to a big guy. :inti

Then again, he was a jobber all his career.
 
This is massive for TNA. They badly needed a shot in the arm like this, because not being on cable has severely affected their credibility and relevance in recent years, regardless of the quality of their product. Being on the same channel where shows like Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Better Call Saul, Walking Dead have run is pretty big and something they should be proud of. Ultimately, its a net positive for pro-wrestling.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
Gunther v Solo on RAW was probably my favorite WWE match in a long time. I'm convinced Gunther is some kind of a magician, he even got a good match out of Solo. Although tbf, Solo himself was fantastic here. This is how you do a match between two heels.
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Fair play to Solo, good spot, he has improved at a shocking rate & is already a cleaner worker then Jey who has regressed so badly during his push. Solo has managed to rise above disastrous booking through his ring work, maybe something’s just in the waters for the samoans. The match with Ziggler & now this week with Gunther, excellent stuff from the young man.
 
shaz619 said:
I wonder what Bret thinks of Bob lol Bob Holly gets zero reaction in video games as well
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Bob Holly is too irrelevant for Bret to have an opinion on him. Besides I doubt Bret would have worked with him much. I think Bob Holly would have been part of that ill-fated New Midnight Express with Cornette towards the end of Bret's run in WWE
 
I think we have all known a guy like Bob Holly at some point in our life. That ageing has-been who surrounds himself with people half his age, acting like some kind of grizzled tough guy ready to put the "new guy" in his place. But realty is, he's a nobody that nobody takes seriously
 
shaz619 said:
Fair play to Solo, good spot, he has improved at a shocking rate & is already a cleaner worker then Jey who has regressed so badly during his push. Solo has managed to rise above disastrous booking through his ring work, maybe something’s just in the waters for the samoans. The match with Ziggler & now this week with Gunther, excellent stuff from the young man.
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Lol, he is light years ahead of Jey in-terms of in-ring work, despite his lack of time and experience in the business. I actually think Jimmy is not a bad worker either. He may not exactly be an in-ring technician, but he knows how to work a coherent match. Jey though has definitely gotten worse, and at some point, you have to hold him accountable for the dog$h*t in-ring work. You can't keep pushing someone so obviously terrible in the ring who shows no signs of improving.

I have to give alot of credit to Gunther because he always brings the best out in his opponent, but you can't take anything away from Solo, who's timing on some of the spots was absolutely fantastic. I find his character work to be pretty entertaining too. For me, he has already eclipsed Jey as a worker and a talker, despite being in the relative infancy of his career as compared to his brothers.
 
Bob was a bully. Messed up that tough enough kid for no reason.

Heard Lesnar broke Bob’s neck lol, payback is a b****- not sure if it was on purpose though.
 
Am tempted to get SvR 06 or 07 on my phone with the emulator again. 08 is where it all started for me, haven’t played the ones before.

Went to visit my cousins back in the day, one of em had 08 on the PSP and I was hooked.

Unfortunately because loading screen had divas wearing skimpy clothes, we were banned from the game by his mom / my aunt as 8-12 years old :asghar :wenger

Good times lol
 
Suleiman said:
Bob was a bully. Messed up that tough enough kid for no reason.

Heard Lesnar broke Bob’s neck lol, payback is a b****- not sure if it was on purpose though.
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Yes. Brock broke Holly's neck. It was an accident.

Holly ended up facing Brock Lesnar in Royal Rumble for the WWE championship. Possibly Holly's biggest match in his career. :inti

 
Suleiman said:
Bob was a bully. Messed up that tough enough kid for no reason.

Heard Lesnar broke Bob’s neck lol, payback is a b****- not sure if it was on purpose though.
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He is an absolute tool. Him and Lesnar were having a match on SmackDown and he was sandbagging Lesnar and not cooperating with him. Lesnar went for a powerbomb anyway, and because Holly wasn’t helping with the lift, he landed awkwardly and broke his neck.

For years he claimed he claimed that Lesnar did it on purpose, only to later admit years later that he (Lesnar) didn't do it deliberately
 

That is the difference between WWE then and WWE now. Back when they listened to the crowd and pushed whatever talent was getting over even if it wasn’t corporate or creative’s choice, vs now when some slop is forced on the audience and ignoring the guys the audience actually want put over LA, Drew, etc etc etc
 
sweep_shot said:
Yes. Brock broke Holly's neck. It was an accident.

Holly ended up facing Brock Lesnar in Royal Rumble for the WWE championship. Possibly Holly's biggest match in his career. :inti

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that was the worst WWE title match on a PPV. Not a single person believed Holly would pose a threat to Brock and was annihilated as expected.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Lol, he is light years ahead of Jey in-terms of in-ring work, despite his lack of time and experience in the business. I actually think Jimmy is not a bad worker either. He may not exactly be an in-ring technician, but he knows how to work a coherent match. Jey though has definitely gotten worse, and at some point, you have to hold him accountable for the dog$h*t in-ring work. You can't keep pushing someone so obviously terrible in the ring who shows no signs of improving.

I have to give alot of credit to Gunther because he always brings the best out in his opponent, but you can't take anything away from Solo, who's timing on some of the spots was absolutely fantastic. I find his character work to be pretty entertaining too. For me, he has already eclipsed Jey as a worker and a talker, despite being in the relative infancy of his career as compared to his brothers.
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Regardless of that, Usos as a tag team is one of WWE's best ever. The twins are still fantastic tag team wrestlers.
 
The way Drew has been booked in his feud with Cody, he's being relegated to a mega jobber
 
I am fine with Gunther being Cena's last opponent but it should have been a sports entertainment match rather than a prowrestling match. Roman would have been the ideal opponent for that.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
that was the worst WWE title match on a PPV. Not a single person believed Holly would pose a threat to Brock and was annihilated as expected.
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ROFL. Yeah.

I was shocked Hardcory Holly got a WWE title match at the Royal Rumble.

Match didn't even last 5 minutes. Complete farce.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Regardless of that, Usos as a tag team is one of WWE's best ever. The twins are still fantastic tag team wrestlers.
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I never understood what was so special about them as a tag team either. Besides the match they had with Owens & Zayn at WrestleMania, I can't think of a single great tag team match they ever had.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I never understood what was so special about them as a tag team either. Besides the match they had with Owens & Zayn at WrestleMania, I can't think of a single great tag team match they ever had.
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they had a fantastic run in 2016-17 run as heels against the likes of american alpha and then new day. Their quadrology of matches against New Day was one of the best. Vince booked tag teams pretty well despite having lost his booking genius.
 
Suleiman said:
Kid is future of WWE. Pretty sure this is all kayfabe though, punk has said he’s been guiding Dom backstage quite a lot and he comes to him with questions a lot of time too.

Punk will appreciate this quick wit. Should remind him of his younger days like so:

:asghar
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obviously Dom's in character. Punk and Rey are super close. Dom is seen as an ideal youngster in the locker room respecting every one and attaining respect in return.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 Cody vs. Ricky Saints at SNME. So dreams do come true.
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This is the best news I’ve read, how was this decided, I only checked out Gunther vs (May his soul rest in peace) on SD last week, did Cody challenged Ricky?

This is the gift to us from John Cena, it seems to me like he’s being set up to lose by submission to Gunther, now am cool with what it will do for Gunther, but man, all the make-a-wish kids……lol Does wrestling’s super hero have to go out like that?
 
shaz619 said:
This is the best news I’ve read, how was this decided, I only checked out Gunther vs (May his soul rest in peace) on SD last week, did Cody challenged Ricky?

This is the gift to us from John Cena, it seems to me like he’s being set up to lose by submission to Gunther, now am cool with what it will do for Gunther, but man, all the make-a-wish kids……lol Does wrestling’s super hero have to go out like that?
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Sorry bro, spoke too soon. I thought it was a given that Saints would retain but apparently he didn't 😂

So it's gonna be Cody vs. Oba Femi.

They had a backstage segment between Saints, Femi & Cody on SD where Cody said that the winner of the NXT title match would face him at SNME
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sorry bro, spoke too soon. I thought it was a given that Saints would retain but apparently he didn't 😂

So it's gonna be Cody vs. Oba Femi.

They had a backstage segment between Saints, Femi & Cody on SD where Cody said that the winner of the NXT title match would face him at SNME
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Bro, Oba hasn’t even made his official main roster debut and H is going to completely ruin him. They are booking themselves into a corner with this match because neither man can afford to lose & Oba will take the fall.

Ricky losing after a valiant effort doesn’t hurt him as he’s an underdog baby face, and yes you can say, well Oba already lost, but that’s in NXT and among a smaller audience.

SNME may be the most watched event of the year other than any of the Big 4 PPV’s, and a guy who’s meant to be a machine like a Goldberg, Lesnar or Joe going down to the champion, that’s not a good introduction and hurts Oba’s aura massively.

It’s a non-title match right, you can’t do this match without Oba going over and that’s not happening.
 
shaz619 said:
Bro, Oba hasn’t even made his official main roster debut and H is going to completely ruin him. They are booking themselves into a corner with this match because neither man can afford to lose & Oba will take the fall.

Ricky losing after a valiant effort doesn’t hurt him as he’s an underdog baby face, and yes you can say, well Oba already lost, but that’s in NXT and among a smaller audience.

SNME may be the most watched event of the year other than any of the Big 4 PPV’s, and a guy who’s meant to be a machine like a Goldberg, Lesnar or Joe going down to the champion, that’s not a good introduction and hurts Oba’s aura massively.

It’s a non-title match right, you can’t do this match without Oba going over and that’s not happening.
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This is Tony Khan-level booking where you beat a guy in his first match. It can work sometimes if it is done the right way like with Je'Von losing to Sami. But you shouldn't be doing it with someone like Oba Femi who as you rightly said, deserves the Brock Lesnar treatment, or at the very least, the Jacob Fatu treatment because of what he looks like, and what he offers in the right. This is not a good match-up and I agree, they are booking themselves into a corner.
 
John Cena made his debut when I was a 12-year old kid. I am now seeing his retirement at the age of 35. End of a major era.

As far as I am concerned, he is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. He never ditched WWE. He started in WWE and is ending in WWE.

Respect. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
John Cena made his debut when I was a 12-year old kid. I am now seeing his retirement at the age of 35. End of a major era.

As far as I am concerned, he is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. He never ditched WWE. He started in WWE and is ending in WWE.

Respect. :inti
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what if he surprises us and join a new vince mcmahon wrestling company as their face.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I never understood what was so special about them as a tag team either. Besides the match they had with Owens & Zayn at WrestleMania, I can't think of a single great tag team match they ever had.
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Speaking of special, I was just seeing Cena vs Seth from 2015 and 2018. We were discussing a few weeks ago if Seth was a worse wrestler than Nose, then I'd say Nose was never talented. He was extremely limited when it came to working a match. Seth has had great matches with the likes of Cena, Edge, Roman. He needs a creatively mature opponent to lead the in ring action to give us a great match. Trips even with the likes of Taker, Austin, HBK, Kurt was never able to give a great wrestling match unless it was a NO DQ etc type match. Seth is an idiot for either injuring himself or his opponent time and again in the ring. It is that aspect only in which nose is probably better than him. Promo wise, both just average who regularly got outshined by their opponents.
 
And there definitely is a difference in in-ring work of Cena of 2015 and Cena of 2025. There's obviously a 10 year age gap. But I never really noticed it till early this year. He was pretty much at best in 2021 in his match against Roman. When he wrestled Theory and Solo, I thought his match against Theory was just a half hearted effort and Solo just wasn't a good enough worker himself. But I guess it was somewhere in between his extended breaks between 2020 pandemic era and 2023 that he really "lost a step" like Cena says he did and Roman was able to get a great match out of him in 2021 which is a quality of a great worker.
 
Scummy TKO couldn't even have John Cena wrestle his final match on a big PPV instead of a glorified tv show.
Taker, Flair, HBK, Angle etc all got to bow out at Mania.
 
Dragon Lee's theme has got to be one of the worst themes ever. Sounds like the singer is having an asthma attack.
 
What a sad ending to Cena's legendary career. Fans booed Nose and yet he was there laughing like Zardari.
Cena shouldn't have gone out losing his final match. A giant middle finger to all the fans who came to see him.
 
Fans telling Cena not to quit was a shoot brother, that was a legit shoot, we wont forget what happened.

Thank you John Cena for the ultimate final gift no one else could possibly give me; getting that audience to publicly humiliate that human piece of garbage.

Other than that I have no words right now, I’ve been in tears from the moment he made his entrance to the final bell.

You truly are the greatest of all time, not just our equivalent of Flair or Hogan, but you’ve far surpassed both because wrestling has never has its very own Muhammad Ali until now.

A big part of my childhood and peak fandom of the RA era died a painful death tonight, my life just flashed before me.
 
shaz619 said:
Fans telling Cena not to quit was a shoot brother, that was a legit shoot, we wont forget what happened.

Thank you John Cena for the ultimate final gift no one else could possibly give me; getting that audience to publicly humiliate that human piece of garbage.

Other than that I have no words right now, I’ve been in tears from the moment he made his entrance to the final bell.

You truly are the greatest of all time, not just our equivalent of Flair or Hogan, but you’ve far surpassed both because wrestling has never has its very own Muhammad Ali until now.

A big part of my childhood and peak fandom of the RA era died a painful death tonight, my life just flashed before me.
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Agree. Made me emotional too. Journey started in 2002. Journey ended tonight. End of an era.

Cena is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. Better than Hogan, Rock, Flair, Taker, and Stone Cold.

Hustle. Loyalty. Respect.

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I am now retired from wrestling as well.

Never seen - seventeen.
Thank you for 23 years of service. GOAT spanned 2.5 decades.

I am done with pro wrestling after today.

Congrats triple h. You got rid of 2 stars in one night.

🏆 🧢 👋 🏆
 
In an alternate timeline where Vince didn’t do any freaky ahh nonsense and triple h was fired,

This was the conclusion of the greatest heel turn ever. This is how I choose to remember the legend, not the hogwash we saw:

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sweep_shot said:
Agree. Made me emotional too. Journey started in 2002. Journey ended tonight. End of an era.

Cena is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. Better than Hogan, Rock, Flair, Taker, and Stone Cold.

Hustle. Loyalty. Respect.

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My favorite John Cena matches/feuds/moments since 2002 (I didn't watch for a few years in the middle; so, I may miss some):

John Cena vs Big Show (Wrestlemania)
John Cena vs JBL (Wrestlemania)
John Cena vs Booker T (Best of 5 series)
John Cena vs The Rock (Wrestlemania; both matches)
John Cena vs Eddie Guererro (Parking Lot Brawl match; Smackdown)
John Cena vs Randy Orton (I Quit match, Hell in a Cell match)
John Cena vs Cody Rhodes (Wrestlemania)
John Cena vs HBK (Wrestlemania)
John Cena vs Sheamus (TLC)
John Cena vs Batista
John Cena vs Nexus
John Cena vs Brock Lesnar (Backlash 2003)
John Cena vs Edge (Unforgiven TLC match 2006)
John Cena vs CM Punk (2025)
John Cena's pipebomb promo (2025)
John Cena's thugonomics promos
John Cena vs Carlito

There are more. But, these come to my mind right now. :inti
 
Suleiman said:
I am now retired from wrestling as well.

Never seen - seventeen.
Thank you for 23 years of service. GOAT spanned 2.5 decades.

I am done with pro wrestling after today.

Congrats triple h. You got rid of 2 stars in one night.

🏆 🧢 👋 🏆
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Me too. Cena's heel turn brought me back to WWE after many years of not checking. I was looking forward to a happy ending.

Gutted that WWE made Cena lose his final match. What a retarded finish!
 
Immense respect to John Cena for an extremely giving farewell run where he helped so many people elevate to another level.

In that regard what @shaz619 amd many others have already said is spot on. He is modern era’s greatest WWE superstar. Nobody has done more for the business in terms of pure service, commitment.

Btw, going by all his interviews leading up to this, it was very obvious he was going to lose his final match and let someone get over. That seems to be his personal decision. As villainous as Triple H is being made out, I don’t think he would deny a victory to Cena for all he’s done. Cena wanted it that way. He valued respect from his peers over belts and victories and it’s the way it should be. He’s set an example and shown a way to so many others. He didn’t carry the same ego, insecurities and politics of his predecessor superstars but showed he being magnanimous earns even more love and respect. The tribute video had Brock and Roman break character for him which is unprecedented, especially with Brock. You only get that when you’ve set very high standards as a human and as a professional.

Super happy for this farewell run.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Immense respect to John Cena for an extremely giving farewell run where he helped so many people elevate to another level.

In that regard what @shaz619 amd many others have already said is spot on. He is modern era’s greatest WWE superstar. Nobody has done more for the business in terms of pure service, commitment.

Btw, going by all his interviews leading up to this, it was very obvious he was going to lose his final match and let someone get over. That seems to be his personal decision. As villainous as Triple H is being made out, I don’t think he would deny a victory to Cena for all he’s done. Cena wanted it that way. He valued respect from his peers over belts and victories and it’s the way it should be. He’s set an example and shown a way to so many others. He didn’t carry the same ego, insecurities and politics of his predecessor superstars but showed he being magnanimous earns even more love and respect. The tribute video had Brock and Roman break character for him which is unprecedented, especially with Brock. You only get that when you’ve set very high standards as a human and as a professional.

Super happy for this farewell run.
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I think he is the greatest of all time. Not just this era. He is better than Hogan, Rock etc.

1) He never buried a talent. He never had an ego like Rock, Triple H, Goldberg etc.
2) He started in WWE and ended in WWE. Didn't go to any other promotion. Stayed with WWE for over 20 years.
3) He played a good role model character (Hustle, Loyalty, Respect). He also played a very entertaining thugonomics character. Whatever character he played, he excelled at it.
4) He was the greatest in the microphone in my opinion. Cena vs Punk in the mic was golden.
5) He had a great work ethics.

A model pro-wrestler.
 
shaz619 said:
Fans telling Cena not to quit was a shoot brother, that was a legit shoot, we wont forget what happened.

Thank you John Cena for the ultimate final gift no one else could possibly give me; getting that audience to publicly humiliate that human piece of garbage.

Other than that I have no words right now, I’ve been in tears from the moment he made his entrance to the final bell.

You truly are the greatest of all time, not just our equivalent of Flair or Hogan, but you’ve far surpassed both because wrestling has never has its very own Muhammad Ali until now.

A big part of my childhood and peak fandom of the RA era died a painful death tonight, my life just flashed before me.
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And that UKP was laughing like Zardari. Horse excrement.
Everything pointed towards letting a legend live, the message, the character etc yet he decided to kill all of that just like he did with Booker T. That didn't make any sense at all. It was like murdering a superhero in cold blood.
Some times booking doesn't need long term planning. Everyone just wanted to have a happy final memory of Cena reigning supreme one last time. Roman or Drew would have been a perfect opponents for that kind of match where Cena would stand tall one last time. But he decided to book a technical match without any real story.
Gunther didn't need it. The heat he is going to get is going to be Big Dog Roman level when he beat Taker at Mania 33. And not everyone is tough like Roman although I think Gunther will brave it. But the most irritating part of that will be doing nothing with that heat and Gunther will be feuding with someone like Rusev probably as per the genius booking.
 
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BunnyRabbit said:
And that UKP was laughing like Zardari. Horse excrement.
Everything pointed towards letting a legend live, the message, the character etc yet he decided to kill all of that just like he did with Booker T. That didn't make any sense at all. It was like murdering a superhero in cold blood.
Some times booking doesn't need long term planning. Everyone just wanted to have a happy final memory of Cena reigning supreme one last time. Roman or Drew would have been a perfect opponents for that kind of match where Cena would stand tall one last time. But he decided to book a technical match without any real story.
Gunther didn't need it. The heat he is going to get is going to be Big Dog Roman level when he beat Taker at Mania 33. And not everyone is tough like Roman although I think Gunther will brave it. But the most irritating part of that will be doing nothing with that heat and Gunther will be feuding with someone like Rusev probably as per the genius booking.
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Agree.

I don't think this win is a push for Gunther. If anything, he may get heckled.

Pro-wrestling has become such a joke. I miss pre-2015 wrestling. There was a natural flow. That flow is missing in today's wrestling.
 
sweep_shot said:
Agree.

I don't think this win is a push for Gunther. If anything, he may get heckled.

Pro-wrestling has become such a joke. I miss pre-2015 wrestling. There was a natural flow. That flow is missing in today's wrestling.
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That's because the guy in charge (Triple H) has no idea what the fans want or how to give fans a show they can actually enjoy. This happens when incompetent people are able to land a job that is too big for their shoes.
Vince had the instincts of providing good wrestling to the fans.
 
Why did they let Cena lose and that too by tap out in his last match? Is this some kind of a joke?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Immense respect to John Cena for an extremely giving farewell run where he helped so many people elevate to another level.

In that regard what @shaz619 amd many others have already said is spot on. He is modern era’s greatest WWE superstar. Nobody has done more for the business in terms of pure service, commitment.

Btw, going by all his interviews leading up to this, it was very obvious he was going to lose his final match and let someone get over. That seems to be his personal decision. As villainous as Triple H is being made out, I don’t think he would deny a victory to Cena for all he’s done. Cena wanted it that way. He valued respect from his peers over belts and victories and it’s the way it should be. He’s set an example and shown a way to so many others. He didn’t carry the same ego, insecurities and politics of his predecessor superstars but showed he being magnanimous earns even more love and respect. The tribute video had Brock and Roman break character for him which is unprecedented, especially with Brock. You only get that when you’ve set very high standards as a human and as a professional.

Super happy for this farewell run.
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Cena might be too selfless & wanting to give back but he means too much to the fans for this kind of pay off & H is the guy to sign off on this - the kind of petty guy who probably got all giddy over the whole deal, and I said it before I like the idea of it but two things,

1) It just wouldn’t work

2) Everyone & their dog knows they will do nothing with the heat on Gunther, after last night he should go on the Lesnar run after he ended the streak & going by H’s dated / deranged booking style this will all be wasted.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think he is the greatest of all time. Not just this era. He is better than Hogan, Rock etc.

1) He never buried a talent. He never had an ego like Rock, Triple H, Goldberg etc.
2) He started in WWE and ended in WWE. Didn't go to any other promotion. Stayed with WWE for over 20 years.
3) He played a good role model character (Hustle, Loyalty, Respect). He also played a very entertaining thugonomics character. Whatever character he played, he excelled at it.
4) He was the greatest in the microphone in my opinion. Cena vs Punk in the mic was golden.
5) He had a great work ethics.

A model pro-wrestler.
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Cena is not even top 5 pro wrestler of all time. I know people are emotional now that he is retiring but most part of his career he was boring. Thats why 'Cena Sucks' chants echoed across every stadium in his prime. Comparing him with Rock and Austin is a joke.

The thing that got going for Cena is his longevity. That too because Lesnar left in 2004 or else he would have been the face of company. Then CM Punk was outshinning him around 2011 but he left too. So Cena got uniterrupted run at the top for almost 2 decades. Considering he wrestled in social media era, that helped a lot in spreading his popularity.

However, longevity is not everything. What Austin and Rock did in their relatively short stints during Attitude era is uncomparable.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
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Good, his fragile mind will be awake at nights for weeks figuring out how to get back at the fans, but we don’t give a crap or will be watching this rubbish.

All this heat is not even on just Gunther, it’s on that ego-maniac as well - selfish prik, going into business for himself since the late 90’s.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Seems like you watched WWE on YouTube only
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Vince used that heat for his on-screen persona & was usually active as an on-screen figure, without him we don’t get the rise of Austin, this is different, imagine Vince meddling with Flair’s retirement in the same way. H is in an creative admin type role and he is not an in-ring talent or figure, still the attention ho bag I’ve been saying he has always been.

Anyway, I hope H’s pacemaker malfunctions.
 
Rajdeep said:
My top 5 WWE wrestlers of all time:

1. Hogan
2. Austin
3. Andre
4. Flair
5. Rock

Agree/Disagree folks?

:kp
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Any list with Andre and especially Flair is good, for me the two greatest ever in the industry are Shawn & Flair.

But, no top guy will ever match the run of Cena and what he did for the business over a long time span in and out the ring.
 
shaz619 said:
Vince used that heat for his on-screen persona & was usually active as an on-screen figure, without him we don’t get the rise of Austin, this is different, imagine Vince meddling with Flair’s retirement in the same way. H is in an creative admin type role and he is not an in-ring talent or figure, still the attention ho bag I’ve been saying he has always been.

Anyway, I hope H’s pacemaker malfunctions.
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Despite of Gunther being the heel, Nose made sure all the heat got to him. And all heat on his is useless.
 
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