The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[shaz619]

Dominik Mysterio just turned heel. I didn't see that coming.

What do you think about the stable Judgment Day? I find them cringy and boring.

It’s good for Dominik because he is more interesting now then when he was as a face.

It has potential, I think JD has done Balor the world of good and I think as a unit, they are cohesive. I get Edge was more charismatic as a leader but as a unit they are ok, maybe they need to get a bit more darker and edgier, what if the Fiend/Bray-Wyatt leads them?

 

[sweep_shot]

It’s good for Dominik because he is more interesting now then when he was as a face.

Yeah. For sure.

Heel turn generally pushes a wrestler far more effectively than being a face. I think this is the right time to make him a heel.

It has potential, I think JD has done Balor the world of good and I think as a unit, they are cohesive. I get Edge was more charismatic as a leader but as a unit they are ok, maybe they need to get a bit more darker and edgier, what if the Fiend/Bray-Wyatt leads them?

I think they botched it when they removed Edge from the stable too quickly.

As of now, Judgment Day seems a bit below-par. It is nothing like some of the successful stables from the past.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah. For sure.

Heel turn generally pushes a wrestler far more effectively than being a face. I think this is the right time to make him a heel.



I think they botched it when they removed Edge from the stable too quickly.

As of now, Judgment Day seems a bit below-par. It is nothing like some of the successful stables from the past.

They didn’t want to get rid of Edge but with Cody and Randy getting injured, there was a lack of top face stars on RAW and this is what caused the decision to prematurely get rid of Edge and turn him face.

I agree on that but give them time, maybe HHH will do something more with the stable

 

[shaz619]

Have retired from wrestling for a few years now, but still can’t believe Rey’s son is now in the picture, wrestling alongside his dad.

Feels just like yesterday where he was just a little guy and Eddie and Rey were having a custody match over him. WWE went to any lengths for a storyline back then lmao )

I think we too old LOL

That was an epic angle involving Eddie

Interestingly Dominik now has aligned with Rhea who is like this era’s Chyna; Eddie and Chyna had an angle back in the day where they were a pair

SvR 2008-2009 were the best SvRs made imo. Delivered many a phainti to a number of jobbers with my 7’ custom made character.

You reckon? I thought it peaked with 07, but one of the 08/09 games were fun due to the focus on tag team wrestling and they had CM Punk in those games to I believe. The other thing I did like about the 07+ games were HBK’s classic ring gear

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The decision is mind boggling but with the heat around him TK is turning him but it’s poor leadership to give this guy a shot after he single handedly eliminated the biggest star the company ever had

TK is weak and too nice. I mean there's no getting around it. We all saw how Punk emasculated him at the presser. I mean can you imagine Vince or Triple H sitting there and just taking it the way Tony took it? I know he can't change his personality but he needs to start putting his foot down and lay down the law because pretty soon more people are going to start taking advantage of him, just like the Young Bucks did when they hired all their friends or got him to make them EVPs.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Should be a perfect time to legitimize Adam Cole as a top card guy here. He was booked like a loser in his feud with Page.

Cole is still suffering from the concussion he sustained at Forbidden Door. Hope he is okay and not doing too badly.

I would love to see Ricky Starks elevated though.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Cole is still suffering from the concussion he sustained at Forbidden Door. Hope he is okay and not doing too badly.

I would love to see Ricky Starks elevated though.

AEW needs proper medical personnel. Too many people get injured and get cleared without much thinking. Some of the recent botches are extremely painful looking like Julia Hart and Sting. Tay Conti is pretty dangerous in the ring as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

AEW needs proper medical personnel. Too many people get injured and get cleared without much thinking. Some of the recent botches are extremely painful looking like Julia Hart and Sting. Tay Conti is pretty dangerous in the ring as well.

I don't think the problem is the medical personnel. From what I've heard they have pretty top-level medical professionals on-hand. The problem is the way in which certain guys and girls work, which is too high-risk, reckless and dangerous.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don't think the problem is the medical personnel. From what I've heard they have pretty top-level medical professionals on-hand. The problem is the way in which certain guys and girls work, which is too high-risk, reckless and dangerous.

The Matt Hardy fall during his match with Sammy was so horrifying and he was apparently given a go to complete the match when he was visibly concussed. I have been skeptical of how they handle their guys since then.

Yes, definitely some guys seem to only care about "being real and stiff" rather than protecting their opponents or themselves.

People used to criticize Ospreay for his dangerous spots but watching Darby taking sickening bumps legit scares me for his safety. The guy is a total nutjob. Saw a video recently of him doing a crazy stunt of rolling his car over his house like a bike.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The Matt Hardy fall during his match with Sammy was so horrifying and he was apparently given a go to complete the match when he was visibly concussed. I have been skeptical of how they handle their guys since then.

Yes, definitely some guys seem to only care about "being real and stiff" rather than protecting their opponents or themselves.

People used to criticize Ospreay for his dangerous spots but watching Darby taking sickening bumps legit scares me for his safety. The guy is a total nutjob. Saw a video recently of him doing a crazy stunt of rolling his car over his house like a bike.

Well I mean there are always going to be instances where that will happen. But ultimately the responsibility for stuff like that happening usually falls on the wrestlers.

I dunno about the 'not protecting your opponent' part. That for me is a major no-no in this business and guys who do that usually tend to develop a reputation very quickly of being unsafe to work with...after which you're better off just working on the indies, or worse, for IMPACT. I think in most cases the ones they are doing damage to is themselves. But at the same time you can't help but think of the dilemma that guys like Darby Allin or Sammy Guevara have to go through.

Fact is not everyone looks like a Powerhouse Hobbs or a Wardlow, not everyone has the personality of a Moxley or a MJF and a wrestler like Bryan Danielson only comes around once or twice in a generation. So how are you, a guy who is 5'6 with not much of a body going to stand-out? And the answer is what you see with Darby and Sammy.

It was the same thing with Foley who wanted to stand-out in an era when some of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling were working alongside him. And even the Hardys who had to stand-out in an era when WWE was at its absolute peak and the roster was stacked to the brim with incredible talent.

Working that kind of style comes with a heavy price. But I guess that's a price these guys are willing to pay to get over.

 

[Suleiman]

I think we too old LOL

That was an epic angle involving Eddie

Interestingly Dominik now has aligned with Rhea who is like this era’s Chyna; Eddie and Chyna had an angle back in the day where they were a pair



You reckon? I thought it peaked with 07, but one of the 08/09 games were fun due to the focus on tag team wrestling and they had CM Punk in those games to I believe. The other thing I did like about the 07+ games were HBK’s classic ring gear

Yeah that was SvR 2009 with the tag team gimmick. 08 was the first one I played at my cousins’. Loved it so much I knew I had to buy the upcoming 09 version.

Unfortunately my aunt confiscated my cousins’ copy of the game because the loading screen would at times show random divas wearing little clothing only highlighting their assets, which is curtains when you’re aged 7-12 in a Muslim household

 

[shaz619]

TK is weak and too nice. I mean there's no getting around it. We all saw how Punk emasculated him at the presser. I mean can you imagine Vince or Triple H sitting there and just taking it the way Tony took it? I know he can't change his personality but he needs to start putting his foot down and lay down the law because pretty soon more people are going to start taking advantage of him, just like the Young Bucks did when they hired all their friends or got him to make them EVPs.

It is pretty nuts, just have a look at who are EVP in WWE and it’s not wrestlers or guys with no experience. This might be a bit if banter for Tony, but he should realise the position he is in, it’s a blessing but he is too spoilt. He can still lead in some capacity but should hire bookers the locker room will respect.

Punk continues to be criticised by the mentally deformed wrestling media and social media celebrating it, these fans and so called journalists are the worst and fact based individuals.

How did you find RAW?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It is pretty nuts, just have a look at who are EVP in WWE and it’s not wrestlers or guys with no experience. This might be a bit if banter for Tony, but he should realise the position he is in, it’s a blessing but he is too spoilt. He can still lead in some capacity but should hire bookers the locker room will respect.

Punk continues to be criticised by the mentally deformed wrestling media and social media celebrating it, these fans and so called journalists are the worst and fact based individuals.

How did you find RAW?

What else do expect from this mentally deformed lot? That said, I must say I am fearful of some of the rumors going around. One rumor going around is that its highly likely that AEW will buy out Punk's contract and that he is on his way out. It's a rumor but we know how those rumors end up turning out sometimes.

Btw, this picture is just hilarious considering current circumstances

https://preview.redd.it/l7iwxr2re3m91.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&793df817

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It is pretty nuts, just have a look at who are EVP in WWE and it’s not wrestlers or guys with no experience. This might be a bit if banter for Tony, but he should realise the position he is in, it’s a blessing but he is too spoilt. He can still lead in some capacity but should hire bookers the locker room will respect.

Punk continues to be criticised by the mentally deformed wrestling media and social media celebrating it, these fans and so called journalists are the worst and fact based individuals.

How did you find RAW?

https://s3.superluchas.com/2022/02/...s-Matt-Jackson-y-Nick-Jackson-AEW-@CMPunk.jpg

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It is pretty nuts, just have a look at who are EVP in WWE and it’s not wrestlers or guys with no experience. This might be a bit if banter for Tony, but he should realise the position he is in, it’s a blessing but he is too spoilt. He can still lead in some capacity but should hire bookers the locker room will respect.

Punk continues to be criticised by the mentally deformed wrestling media and social media celebrating it, these fans and so called journalists are the worst and fact based individuals.

How did you find RAW?

I thought it was really good. And I can't remember the last time there were as many good to great matches on an episode of RAW. Gargano/Owens v Alpha Academy and Rey v Seth were in the good category. Sami Zayn-AJ and Damian Priest v Riddle were in the awesome category. We've talked at length about how great AJ is but I think not enough praise is meted out to Sami Zayn, who is legit one of the best rounded wrestlers in the world today. And has been for a number of years now. What's changed in the last two years though has been his character-work. Which has taken him to the next level. Absolutely love the storyline between him and the Bloodline. That angle on SD! was pure gold. And Zayn is getting over massively with the crowd too. For me, this thing has to lead to Zayn/KO v The Usos for the Tag Team belts. Because The Usos have beaten just about everyone there is to beat and seem destined for a Top 2 longest reign, and once they cross that milestone you need someone credible to beat them. So who better than these two, considering the seeds have already been planted and that it would make perfect sense once Sami goes full babyface and The Bloodline turns on him.

But coming back to RAW. I really like the guys that are being featured week in and week out. Owens, Rollins, Rey, Balor, Priest, Gable, Lashley, Gargano. They are all very good wrestlers. Styles might be rehabilitated soon too (atleast in the short-term) because he is said to be in-line for challenging Roman. And if you give these guys 12-15 minutes you are almost guaranteed to get a number of good matches every week.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] What do you make of the White Rabbit teasers? Because I think they are brilliant. Ofcourse this kind of promotion for a returning wrestler has been done in the past. But I can't remember if it was ever done with this kind of aggressiveness and attention to detail. Whether its the QR Codes, obscure clues or cryptic language; this marketing campaign seems to be working because not only are people going down the rabbit hole (no pun intended) to decode these clues but this campaign has also helped in generating serious ratings...which was evident by SmackDown's number from last week: one of their best of the year.

And the best thing (for them) is that they don't even have to advertise anything. People just assumed that 9.23 (which they got off a puzzle from a QR Code) meant that the person that they've been teasing for weeks was going to show up on SmackDown. When in actuality it was just a clue to another clue.

I think more than anything, this marketing campaign just goes to show that you can use social media and the internet to build up some genuine interest in your product, if you use it effectively. And I think its something for WWE and AEW to keep in mind going forward.

Btw, I really hope it ends up being Bray Wyatt in some kind of a mask. Even if it isn't The Fiend.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well I mean there are always going to be instances where that will happen. But ultimately the responsibility for stuff like that happening usually falls on the wrestlers.

I dunno about the 'not protecting your opponent' part. That for me is a major no-no in this business and guys who do that usually tend to develop a reputation very quickly of being unsafe to work with...after which you're better off just working on the indies, or worse, for IMPACT. I think in most cases the ones they are doing damage to is themselves. But at the same time you can't help but think of the dilemma that guys like Darby Allin or Sammy Guevara have to go through.

Fact is not everyone looks like a Powerhouse Hobbs or a Wardlow, not everyone has the personality of a Moxley or a MJF and a wrestler like Bryan Danielson only comes around once or twice in a generation. So how are you, a guy who is 5'6 with not much of a body going to stand-out? And the answer is what you see with Darby and Sammy.

It was the same thing with Foley who wanted to stand-out in an era when some of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling were working alongside him. And even the Hardys who had to stand-out in an era when WWE was at its absolute peak and the roster was stacked to the brim with incredible talent.

Working that kind of style comes with a heavy price. But I guess that's a price these guys are willing to pay to get over.

What I was trying to say is that the fall that Matt Hardy took in that match, the match should have been rushed to the ending then. If there was a competent health care personnel at hand, he wouldn't have allowed him to continue after that. From what I had heard back then, the guy who cleared Matt after that bump was a veterinarian.

Yes taking bumps is fine, but seriously hurting yourself is stupid. Darby lives like that. Not just in wrestling, he does crazy crazy stunts off it as well like the video he posted of him treating his car like it's extremely dangerous. Like how would anyone defend tying yourself to a chair and get thrown off the top.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] What do you make of the White Rabbit teasers? Because I think they are brilliant. Ofcourse this kind of promotion for a returning wrestler has been done in the past. But I can't remember if it was ever done with this kind of aggressiveness and attention to detail. Whether its the QR Codes, obscure clues or cryptic language; this marketing campaign seems to be working because not only are people going down the rabbit hole (no pun intended) to decode these clues but this campaign has also helped in generating serious ratings...which was evident by SmackDown's number from last week: one of their best of the year.

And the best thing (for them) is that they don't even have to advertise anything. People just assumed that 9.23 (which they got off a puzzle from a QR Code) meant that the person that they've been teasing for weeks was going to show up on SmackDown. When in actuality it was just a clue to another clue.

I think more than anything, this marketing campaign just goes to show that you can use social media and the internet to build up some genuine interest in your product, if you use it effectively. And I think its something for WWE and AEW to keep in mind going forward.

Btw, I really hope it ends up being Bray Wyatt in some kind of a mask. Even if it isn't The Fiend.

The white rabbit stuff has got people talking. And I think that was the initial point of it all. And it has succeeded massively. But it will depend on what the outcome will be. If it's something great, then it would be all worth it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I thought it was really good. And I can't remember the last time there were as many good to great matches on an episode of RAW. Gargano/Owens v Alpha Academy and Rey v Seth were in the good category. Sami Zayn-AJ and Damian Priest v Riddle were in the awesome category. We've talked at length about how great AJ is but I think not enough praise is meted out to Sami Zayn, who is legit one of the best rounded wrestlers in the world today. And has been for a number of years now. What's changed in the last two years though has been his character-work. Which has taken him to the next level. Absolutely love the storyline between him and the Bloodline. That angle on SD! was pure gold. And Zayn is getting over massively with the crowd too. For me, this thing has to lead to Zayn/KO v The Usos for the Tag Team belts. Because The Usos have beaten just about everyone there is to beat and seem destined for a Top 2 longest reign, and once they cross that milestone you need someone credible to beat them. So who better than these two, considering the seeds have already been planted and that it would make perfect sense once Sami goes full babyface and The Bloodline turns on him.

But coming back to RAW. I really like the guys that are being featured week in and week out. Owens, Rollins, Rey, Balor, Priest, Gable, Lashley, Gargano. They are all very good wrestlers. Styles might be rehabilitated soon too (atleast in the short-term) because he is said to be in-line for challenging Roman. And if you give these guys 12-15 minutes you are almost guaranteed to get a number of good matches every week.

Zayn getting mauled by the bloodline eventually will be amazing I feel. It's easily the best storyline going on these days. The segments have been amazing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yeah that was SvR 2009 with the tag team gimmick. 08 was the first one I played at my cousins’. Loved it so much I knew I had to buy the upcoming 09 version.

Unfortunately my aunt confiscated my cousins’ copy of the game because the loading screen would at times show random divas wearing little clothing only highlighting their assets, which is curtains when you’re aged 7-12 in a Muslim household

I had to keep turning my tv off while playing SD Know Your Role on PS1 back in the day for the same reason.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The white rabbit stuff has got people talking. And I think that was the initial point of it all. And it has succeeded massively. But it will depend on what the outcome will be. If it's something great, then it would be all worth it.

Even if the pay-off isn't great though, they have got alot out of this. They're selling merch online, getting people to watch vids on TikTok and in general generate interest in their product. It has also shown them the untapped potential of a viral marketing campaign done almost entirely on the internet.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What I was trying to say is that the fall that Matt Hardy took in that match, the match should have been rushed to the ending then. If there was a competent health care personnel at hand, he wouldn't have allowed him to continue after that. From what I had heard back then, the guy who cleared Matt after that bump was a veterinarian.

Yes taking bumps is fine, but seriously hurting yourself is stupid. Darby lives like that. Not just in wrestling, he does crazy crazy stunts off it as well like the video he posted of him treating his car like it's extremely dangerous. Like how would anyone defend tying yourself to a chair and get thrown off the top.

Yeah Darby is just nuts. He's got a death wish or something.

 

[shaz619]

I thought it was really good. And I can't remember the last time there were as many good to great matches on an episode of RAW. Gargano/Owens v Alpha Academy and Rey v Seth were in the good category. Sami Zayn-AJ and Damian Priest v Riddle were in the awesome category. We've talked at length about how great AJ is but I think not enough praise is meted out to Sami Zayn, who is legit one of the best rounded wrestlers in the world today. And has been for a number of years now. What's changed in the last two years though has been his character-work. Which has taken him to the next level. Absolutely love the storyline between him and the Bloodline. That angle on SD! was pure gold. And Zayn is getting over massively with the crowd too. For me, this thing has to lead to Zayn/KO v The Usos for the Tag Team belts. Because The Usos have beaten just about everyone there is to beat and seem destined for a Top 2 longest reign, and once they cross that milestone you need someone credible to beat them. So who better than these two, considering the seeds have already been planted and that it would make perfect sense once Sami goes full babyface and The Bloodline turns on him.

But coming back to RAW. I really like the guys that are being featured week in and week out. Owens, Rollins, Rey, Balor, Priest, Gable, Lashley, Gargano. They are all very good wrestlers. Styles might be rehabilitated soon too (atleast in the short-term) because he is said to be in-line for challenging Roman. And if you give these guys 12-15 minutes you are almost guaranteed to get a number of good matches every week.

Totally agree with you and this was a genuinely great must see episode unlike the others which had flashes of must see TV. I really enjoyed the AJ Styles match and his special, it will be depressing the day he retires because he is a rare breed, the little things he does are beautiful to watch, the way he ran into that turnbuckle for example, who can do that and he educated on taking high impact bumps the right way. If they book Reigns and Styles again, Xmas has come early! I want them to do that match in a stadium. As for Zayn, I was thinking the exact same, his character work is outstanding, when you see one of the best baby face runs this century in NXT you’d not believe he would be such a capable heel, but Sami can do it all and he is transitioning nicely into a face role, the dude is just entertaining and has adapted his style well to limit his injuries.

With the other names you highlight I like that they are getting attention and with time we should see more development from them hopefully

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] What do you make of the White Rabbit teasers? Because I think they are brilliant. Ofcourse this kind of promotion for a returning wrestler has been done in the past. But I can't remember if it was ever done with this kind of aggressiveness and attention to detail. Whether its the QR Codes, obscure clues or cryptic language; this marketing campaign seems to be working because not only are people going down the rabbit hole (no pun intended) to decode these clues but this campaign has also helped in generating serious ratings...which was evident by SmackDown's number from last week: one of their best of the year.

And the best thing (for them) is that they don't even have to advertise anything. People just assumed that 9.23 (which they got off a puzzle from a QR Code) meant that the person that they've been teasing for weeks was going to show up on SmackDown. When in actuality it was just a clue to another clue.

I think more than anything, this marketing campaign just goes to show that you can use social media and the internet to build up some genuine interest in your product, if you use it effectively. And I think its something for WWE and AEW to keep in mind going forward.

Btw, I really hope it ends up being Bray Wyatt in some kind of a mask. Even if it isn't The Fiend.

It doesn’t matter how old I am, but if am going to a house show and they are doing that sh!t I would lose my mind, it’s very creative and simply outstanding. We are use to the usual vignettes and teasers to hype something but this is very welcome and more interesting to hype a reveal and as you say it has boosted ratings to, when has something like this resulted in a boost? not in a while, just shows what creativity snd shrewd booking can achieve and it’s an excellent point, they have spent the minimum to!

Is it just me or has AEW become a chore to watch, even the highlights

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Totally agree with you and this was a genuinely great must see episode unlike the others which had flashes of must see TV. I really enjoyed the AJ Styles match and his special, it will be depressing the day he retires because he is a rare breed, the little things he does are beautiful to watch, the way he ran into that turnbuckle for example, who can do that and he educated on taking high impact bumps the right way. If they book Reigns and Styles again, Xmas has come early! I want them to do that match in a stadium. As for Zayn, I was thinking the exact same, his character work is outstanding, when you see one of the best baby face runs this century in NXT you’d not believe he would be such a capable heel, but Sami can do it all and he is transitioning nicely into a face role, the dude is just entertaining and has adapted his style well to limit his injuries.

With the other names you highlight I like that they are getting attention and with time we should see more development from them hopefully

He has always been a great natural babyface going back to his days in ROH and the indies. I think there are few in the business who look as good and believable while fighting from underneath as Zayn. And that NXT run solidified that. But yes, his work as heel in the past two years has really shown a new side of him. He spoke at length about how he wanted to prove to himself that he could make it as a heel, on Austin's show, more than anyone else. And tbh, I am glad that he did turn heel because he had gotten pretty stale after his main roster feud with Owens back in 2016, and this heel run has well and truly reinvigorated his career. Besides the character-work he has also held the IC Championship 3 times in the past two years while being involved in major feuds with Bryan, AJ, Jeff Hardy, KO, Nakamura, Richochet.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It doesn’t matter how old I am, but if am going to a house show and they are doing that sh!t I would lose my mind, it’s very creative and simply outstanding. We are use to the usual vignettes and teasers to hype something but this is very welcome and more interesting to hype a reveal and as you say it has boosted ratings to, when has something like this resulted in a boost? not in a while, just shows what creativity snd shrewd booking can achieve and it’s an excellent point, they have spent the minimum to!

Is it just me or has AEW become a chore to watch, even the highlights

I wouldn't say that but this week's show was simply not good. Besides the Jericho-Bandido match and Starks winning a squash match in 40 seconds, there wasn't a single good thing on this show. Even the MJF promo was thoroughly disappointing. Yuta may have been over in his hometown but I didn't (for a second) buy him as the tough guy he was trying to be.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

AEW gave us one their worst episodes of Dynamite from this year this week. The Saraya/Paige segment was atrocious and went on forever. Mox had arguably his worst match in AEW against Juice Robinson. I think maybe 30 seconds of this match took place inside this ring. The MJF promo was bleh and I did not come out of it caring any more about Wheeler Yuta. Jericho's segments are as bad as they always was...they look like something off a bad episode of Monday Night Raw. Even Danielson couldn't work his magic and a bad match against Matt Menard who looked like a jobber coming out of it. And honestly, if you come out of an 8 minute match with Danielson looking like a jobber, maybe you shouldn't be in the ring to begin with.

The only saving grace was Jericho v Bandido: a genuinely good match, and very different from anything I've seen recently. I've seen plenty of Bandido before and for my money he is probably the best lucador going around who has the ability to be that Latino top-guy that both WWE and AEW want on their roster. But I have to tip my hat off to Jericho who yet again, reminded why he is Chris effin' Jericho. Some of the bumps he took in this match were insane for his age. But what stood out most were his instincts as a worker and an experienced vet. Knowing what to do and when to do it. And nowhere was that more evident than the finish. As good as Bandido is, that is something that he likely does not have alot of knowledge of.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Chris Jericho right now is suffering from alot of the same problems as Cody was when he was in AEW. He is being held down by a joke group that adds nothing to his aura, and who are not getting any significant kind of rub off him either. The entire schtick of parodying WWE catchphrases and the catchphrases of WWE wrestlers is so lame and makes AEW look so minor-league. And the general comedy that members of his group like Anna Jay, 2pointO, Tay Conti try to indulge is also unfunny and lame.


Like I said before, Jericho just needs to be himself. I think he has something here with this new Ring of Jericho storyline where is trying to destroy the legacy of Ring of Honor and go after every major ex-champion or personality associated with the brand. But nobody will be able to take it seriously if Anna Jay takes the mic and tells everyone that she is going to choke them.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He has always been a great natural babyface going back to his days in ROH and the indies. I think there are few in the business who look as good and believable while fighting from underneath as Zayn. And that NXT run solidified that. But yes, his work as heel in the past two years has really shown a new side of him. He spoke at length about how he wanted to prove to himself that he could make it as a heel, on Austin's show, more than anyone else. And tbh, I am glad that he did turn heel because he had gotten pretty stale after his main roster feud with Owens back in 2016, and this heel run has well and truly reinvigorated his career. Besides the character-work he has also held the IC Championship 3 times in the past two years while being involved in major feuds with Bryan, AJ, Jeff Hardy, KO, Nakamura, Richochet.

WWE using him as himself rather El Generico was a master stroke. Sami is such a charismatic guy and the mask had him like just another luchador.

Sami-Bryan feud was pretty awfully booked IMO. The whole feud it was portrayed as if Sami was injured and Cesaro and Nakamura kept Bryan from getting his hands on Sami and the match between them was so bad, Sami didn't take a single bump. Just kept running away from Bryan before pinning him.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] where do you guys think The Bloodline story is heading towards in regards to Jey and Sami. I'd say if they head it till Mania, they could have Jey exploding and leaving the bloodline and bringing The Rock back in time for Mania.

As much as I want to see Roman Rock feud, I'd say it'd be criminal to hold back Cody's story arc of winning the WWE championship and quite possibly dethroning Roman. Cody seems the most likely guy to win the title and having him win at a B PPV would not do justice IMO. It needs to culminate at Mania. Maybe have Roman mainevent both days at Mania. Day 1 vs Rock. Day 2 vs Cody.

There is Sami's impending beat down from the bloodline which is the best story being told right now.

Then KO also as a beef with Roman which is pretty much tangled with Sami.

Kross is also there with his blindsiding tactics. Although I would love to see Roman annihilating Kross.

And finally the MITB is always lingering around till it's finally cashed in. And the MITB cash in works the best when it's least expected to.

What really makes this all so captivating is the multi layered connection with Roman and the belts in the center.

 

[shaz619]

I wouldn't say that but this week's show was simply not good. Besides the Jericho-Bandido match and Starks winning a squash match in 40 seconds, there wasn't a single good thing on this show. Even the MJF promo was thoroughly disappointing. Yuta may have been over in his hometown but I didn't (for a second) buy him as the tough guy he was trying to be.

As much as I rate MJF, there are times when he will get a bit of heat from me because he’s that damn good, how about a heel for once who can do their job effectively? and this promo on the whole was fine but I just think it’s in poor taste to use dead people, he certainly doesn’t need to go there and especially disrespect Smokin Joe Frazier who Yuta should never be compared to, but hey maybe it was one of those few times where he got that heat from me so perhaps his job was done, but I can’t take Joe Frazier being attacked that way. As for Yuta, he really tried his best on the mic there and some of it was fine, I still think he is a guy who should talk less and his material needs to be better, now be is a guy who would benefit from a script / bullet points at least. There are many great workers who knew they were not the best on the mic but after realising that worked on their ring presence, used mic time better and improved their physical charisma.

Looks like Saraya got a lot of heat, I suppose not the worst thing when everyone is talking about you and however good or bad it was, the follow up is key. But what can you do when inmates are still running the asylum and money mark cosplaying promoter.

The Starks stuff is great and Hobbs is everything Big E should be.

A shame Wardlow has lost steam. Still no FTR.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] where do you guys think The Bloodline story is heading towards in regards to Jey and Sami. I'd say if they head it till Mania, they could have Jey exploding and leaving the bloodline and bringing The Rock back in time for Mania.

As much as I want to see Roman Rock feud, I'd say it'd be criminal to hold back Cody's story arc of winning the WWE championship and quite possibly dethroning Roman. Cody seems the most likely guy to win the title and having him win at a B PPV would not do justice IMO. It needs to culminate at Mania. Maybe have Roman mainevent both days at Mania. Day 1 vs Rock. Day 2 vs Cody.

There is Sami's impending beat down from the bloodline which is the best story being told right now.

Then KO also as a beef with Roman which is pretty much tangled with Sami.

Kross is also there with his blindsiding tactics. Although I would love to see Roman annihilating Kross.

And finally the MITB is always lingering around till it's finally cashed in. And the MITB cash in works the best when it's least expected to.

What really makes this all so captivating is the multi layered connection with Roman and the belts in the center.

Hmm not had a think about it tbh but one thing I feel will happen is that there will be a big pay off and if could get drawn out until mania which is what this storyline deserves because it is so good

I agree Cody needs that moment but he should never be overshadowed by Rock or Reigns in the process, he needs to be involved with one of these names or both. Otherwise I much rather he not be in that picture until the spotlight is on him. They’ve made a solid investment in him and need to keep up the good work, hopefully Hunter’s ego doesn’t get in the way

 

[shaz619]

AEW gave us one their worst episodes of Dynamite from this year this week. The Saraya/Paige segment was atrocious and went on forever. Mox had arguably his worst match in AEW against Juice Robinson. I think maybe 30 seconds of this match took place inside this ring. The MJF promo was bleh and I did not come out of it caring any more about Wheeler Yuta. Jericho's segments are as bad as they always was...they look like something off a bad episode of Monday Night Raw. Even Danielson couldn't work his magic and a bad match against Matt Menard who looked like a jobber coming out of it. And honestly, if you come out of an 8 minute match with Danielson looking like a jobber, maybe you shouldn't be in the ring to begin with.

The only saving grace was Jericho v Bandido: a genuinely good match, and very different from anything I've seen recently. I've seen plenty of Bandido before and for my money he is probably the best lucador going around who has the ability to be that Latino top-guy that both WWE and AEW want on their roster. But I have to tip my hat off to Jericho who yet again, reminded why he is Chris effin' Jericho. Some of the bumps he took in this match were insane for his age. But what stood out most were his instincts as a worker and an experienced vet. Knowing what to do and when to do it. And nowhere was that more evident than the finish. As good as Bandido is, that is something that he likely does not have alot of knowledge of.

Interesting observation on Bryan, I might be being greedy here but his matches haven’t been creative in a while and a little too formulaic, then again that might be a good thing for his neck and temples….

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Hmm not had a think about it tbh but one thing I feel will happen is that there will be a big pay off and if could get drawn out until mania which is what this storyline deserves because it is so good

I agree Cody needs that moment but he should never be overshadowed by Rock or Reigns in the process, he needs to be involved with one of these names or both. Otherwise I much rather he not be in that picture until the spotlight is on him. They’ve made a solid investment in him and need to keep up the good work, hopefully Hunter’s ego doesn’t get in the way

Yes there will be a dilemma for WWE here. It might be their last chance of getting Dwayne in the ring and make tons of money off it and Mania is the only stage for that. The other one is holding Cody back from the title picture during Mania time is the only sane way to give the WWE title the prestige it deserves.
If they have him win the title at some other PPV, it would only downgrade their top championship.

Splitting the two titles would seem like a good enough way to do both things but then again Cody winning it off from someone else with (not that big of a reign and not as big of a star as Roman) won't have that much impact.

If Vince was booking it, it would have been a given that he would go with Dwayne for Mania cause money was what Vince prioritised the most.

With this new regime, remains to be seen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] where do you guys think The Bloodline story is heading towards in regards to Jey and Sami. I'd say if they head it till Mania, they could have Jey exploding and leaving the bloodline and bringing The Rock back in time for Mania.

As much as I want to see Roman Rock feud, I'd say it'd be criminal to hold back Cody's story arc of winning the WWE championship and quite possibly dethroning Roman. Cody seems the most likely guy to win the title and having him win at a B PPV would not do justice IMO. It needs to culminate at Mania. Maybe have Roman mainevent both days at Mania. Day 1 vs Rock. Day 2 vs Cody.

There is Sami's impending beat down from the bloodline which is the best story being told right now.

Then KO also as a beef with Roman which is pretty much tangled with Sami.

Kross is also there with his blindsiding tactics. Although I would love to see Roman annihilating Kross.

And finally the MITB is always lingering around till it's finally cashed in. And the MITB cash in works the best when it's least expected to.

What really makes this all so captivating is the multi layered connection with Roman and the belts in the center.

I'll stick to my original prediction. Which is Owens and Zayn vs. The Usos (at Mania, possibly?) for the Tag titles. You can drag this storyline out that long if you are smart and keep evolving it. I think right now, you need Sami running wild with The Bloodline for a couple of months and just winning matches. Down the line you have The Bloodline turn on him and lay a major beatdown on him that puts him out of commission. Then you program Owens back into the storyline trying to go up against The Bloodline (potentially with another few babyfaces). At some point down the line you have Zayn return to save Owens from The Usos and set up a tag match at WrestleMania.

Also feel that Roman doing two such high-profile matches on both nights of WrestleMania is not a great idea. From a business stand-point, one match would take the focus and attention off the other match. When both matches have the ability to headline WrestleMania on their own.

From a wrestling logic stand-point, Roman is a heel who is (in kayfabe) supposed to be the most influential wrestler in the company. Therefore, he should have the power to be able to get out from wrestling The Rock and Cody two nights in a row if such a situation arises. As a heel he is not someone who is supposed to go up against adversity and try to succeed.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As much as I rate MJF, there are times when he will get a bit of heat from me because he’s that damn good, how about a heel for once who can do their job effectively? and this promo on the whole was fine but I just think it’s in poor taste to use dead people, he certainly doesn’t need to go there and especially disrespect Smokin Joe Frazier who Yuta should never be compared to, but hey maybe it was one of those few times where he got that heat from me so perhaps his job was done, but I can’t take Joe Frazier being attacked that way. As for Yuta, he really tried his best on the mic there and some of it was fine, I still think he is a guy who should talk less and his material needs to be better, now be is a guy who would benefit from a script / bullet points at least. There are many great workers who knew they were not the best on the mic but after realising that worked on their ring presence, used mic time better and improved their physical charisma.

Looks like Saraya got a lot of heat, I suppose not the worst thing when everyone is talking about you and however good or bad it was, the follow up is key. But what can you do when inmates are still running the asylum and money mark cosplaying promoter.

The Starks stuff is great and Hobbs is everything Big E should be.

A shame Wardlow has lost steam. Still no FTR.

I guess it depends on person to person. Personally, there is very little I am offended by in wrestling. But looking back, I may have been a little hard on this promo. But that's mostly because I am used to expecting very high-quality from MJF. And this was not very high-quality.

Yuta to his credit, did rustle up some of that babyface fire towards the end of his promo. It ain't easy going up against one of the best in the biz verbally. And he did make an improvement over his previous work on the mic. But now, for this storyline to mean something he has to deliver in the ring next week to put some credibility to his words. And that doesn't mean going out there and doing wacky lucha spots and attempting quick pins. It means going in there and trying to beat the pulp out of MJF.

What's happened to FTR is just sad. This was supposed to be their year. And now, they can't even get booked. And you can't put them against The Acclaimed either unless you are turning them heel, which again, would make no sense considering they just turned face this year.

 

[shaz619]

I guess it depends on person to person. Personally, there is very little I am offended by in wrestling. But looking back, I may have been a little hard on this promo. But that's mostly because I am used to expecting very high-quality from MJF. And this was not very high-quality.

Yuta to his credit, did rustle up some of that babyface fire towards the end of his promo. It ain't easy going up against one of the best in the biz verbally. And he did make an improvement over his previous work on the mic. But now, for this storyline to mean something he has to deliver in the ring next week to put some credibility to his words. And that doesn't mean going out there and doing wacky lucha spots and attempting quick pins. It means going in there and trying to beat the pulp out of MJF.

What's happened to FTR is just sad. This was supposed to be their year. And now, they can't even get booked. And you can't put them against The Acclaimed either unless you are turning them heel, which again, would make no sense considering they just turned face this year.

There is nothing really engaging on the program right now with a long term angle which you want to tune into weekly, Punk was great at creating compelling viewing weekly with the long term view in mind. It’s all a chore and so boring besides the MJF stuff, but I have no interest in Yuta. I think it will be engaging when the MJF/Mox feud is firing in all cylinders, in the mean time if that feud is going to wait then I rather have MJF feuding with Bryan before a world championship pursuit. There is nothing like you should go out of your way to check out or keep an eye on. I can have similar criticisms for the E, but they now have some more structure and if anything, I would go out of my way to sre what’s happening with Styles or the Reigns and Bloodline stuff. My point is even if 70% of your programming is weak, the main event angle should be compelling or have interesting things surrounding your names, I can’t say that for AEW anymore post fall out of the All Out event, I had to catch up on the last few weeks worth of stuff via YT and it was meh, the stadium show was fine but on the whole there is no real engaging storyline at the top of the card.

 

[sweep_shot]

It seems like AEW is going TNA way. They were looking promising for a while but that promise is slowly fading.

 

[MenInG]

The artist behind wrestling star Randy Orton's iconic tattoos has won a case against the publisher of the best-selling WWE 2K video games.

Catherine Alexander claimed Take-Two Interactive used her designs without permission.

Her lawsuit centred around five ink designs that are all featured on the 14-time champion's body.

A jury in the US found she was entitled to compensation and awarded her $3,750 (£3,300) in damages.

The case, first filed in 2018, claimed five tattoos - tribal tattoos, skulls, a bible verse, and a dove and rose - were Catherine Alexander's original designs.

Court documents state that Catherine created them between 2003-2008, and that the art was "easily recognised by [Orton's] fans and members of the public".

She claimed WWE contacted her offering to pay $450 (£395) to use a design in its merchandise, which she turned down.

After this, the court was told, she "did not grant any permission to WWE to copy, duplicate or otherwise use or reproduce any of the plaintiff's designs".

Take-Two argued the tattoos were protected under fair use rules that allowed it to recreate Orton in the video games.

The judge in the case declared that "authenticity" was an important factor in the games, and that "WWE would have rejected Orton's videogame persona if it appeared without his tattoos or appeared with tattoos that were different than Orton's actual tattoos".

This isn't the first time that a video game company has been sued for not asking for permission to replicate a celebrity's tattoos in a video game.

In 2016, Take-Two were unsuccessfully sued by artists for using basketball star LeBron James' tattoos in the NBA 2K games without permission.

At the time, LeBron said: "I always thought that I had the right to license what I look like to other people for various merchandise, television appearances, and other types of creative works, like video games."

Earlier this year, WWE boss Vince McMahon announced he was retiring from the company following a number of misconduct claims.

BBC

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: Ring of Pakistan (RoP) is back with another professional wrestling show in the country.

As many as five international professional wrestlers including Tiny Iron (UK), Amale Dib (France), Mariah May (UK), Adam Maxted (UK) and Badshah Khan (Pakistan) reached Multan for launch of the event.

With an aim to promote professional wrestling in Pakistan, RoP is back with another blockbuster event.

RoP's CEO Imran Shah shared that the event will bring smiles back to the faces of flood affectees in the country.

"We are back with another professional wrestling event. This event will be staged in Multan, Islamabad, and Karachi," he said.


"In this tough time, we will try to bring smiles back on the faces of our brothers and sisters who suffered floods," he added.

The international event will be launched in Multan firstly. Thereafter, the wrestlers will travel to Islamabad and Lahore.

In a video message, Tiny announced his tour to Pakistan. "Pakistan, Mai Araha Houn [Pakistan, I am coming]," he said.

Other international wrestlers also shared excitement about another professional wrestling event in Pakistan

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is nothing really engaging on the program right now with a long term angle which you want to tune into weekly, Punk was great at creating compelling viewing weekly with the long term view in mind. It’s all a chore and so boring besides the MJF stuff, but I have no interest in Yuta. I think it will be engaging when the MJF/Mox feud is firing in all cylinders, in the mean time if that feud is going to wait then I rather have MJF feuding with Bryan before a world championship pursuit. There is nothing like you should go out of your way to check out or keep an eye on. I can have similar criticisms for the E, but they now have some more structure and if anything, I would go out of my way to sre what’s happening with Styles or the Reigns and Bloodline stuff. My point is even if 70% of your programming is weak, the main event angle should be compelling or have interesting things surrounding your names, I can’t say that for AEW anymore post fall out of the All Out event, I had to catch up on the last few weeks worth of stuff via YT and it was meh, the stadium show was fine but on the whole there is no real engaging storyline at the top of the card.

Yup. I'm waiting for MJF/Mox to kick off full-swing too. But they have to get the empty headed df out of the way first. Danielson seems to be entangled in a long-term feud with Jericho that can't help him much in the long-term. Jericho is facing him in AEW's debut in Canada in a couple of weeks though. So we will atleast get a good/great match with a hot crowd.

The worst thing about the entire FTR situation is that other heel tag teams are openly acknowledging that FTR are No.1 contenders as they jump the line to get matches for the Tag Team titles...which just makes Tony come off as incompetent.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

KARACHI: Ring of Pakistan (RoP) is back with another professional wrestling show in the country.

As many as five international professional wrestlers including Tiny Iron (UK), Amale Dib (France), Mariah May (UK), Adam Maxted (UK) and Badshah Khan (Pakistan) reached Multan for launch of the event.

With an aim to promote professional wrestling in Pakistan, RoP is back with another blockbuster event.

RoP's CEO Imran Shah shared that the event will bring smiles back to the faces of flood affectees in the country.

"We are back with another professional wrestling event. This event will be staged in Multan, Islamabad, and Karachi," he said.


"In this tough time, we will try to bring smiles back on the faces of our brothers and sisters who suffered floods," he added.

The international event will be launched in Multan firstly. Thereafter, the wrestlers will travel to Islamabad and Lahore.

In a video message, Tiny announced his tour to Pakistan. "Pakistan, Mai Araha Houn [Pakistan, I am coming]," he said.

Other international wrestlers also shared excitement about another professional wrestling event in Pakistan

Last time a pro wrestling event was held in Pakistan, it featured the likes of Sammy Guevara, Carlito, Wade Barrett etc. [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

 

[akbarm96]

Last time a pro wrestling event was held in Pakistan, it featured the likes of Sammy Guevara, Carlito, Wade Barrett etc. [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

The arrangement looks laughable to me, it looks like a pro wrestling event filled with random Indies and plus why do they need fancy seating for the front row.. the front row looks like its gonna be used by chief guests and those oldies whom haven't even watched pro wrestling, let alone WWE.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Last time a pro wrestling event was held in Pakistan, it featured the likes of Sammy Guevara, Carlito, Wade Barrett etc. [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

Last time they had some names. Chris Masters was in there too. This time around the line-up looks like a complete joke.

Btw have you seen Sammy Guevara's vlog on his trip to Pakistan? Its actually a pretty fun watch lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyFuMixAiEA

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The arrangement looks laughable to me, it looks like a pro wrestling event filled with random Indies and plus why do they need fancy seating for the front row.. the front row looks like its gonna be used by chief guests and those oldies whom haven't even watched pro wrestling, let alone WWE.

The tickets weren't cheap last time around I heard. Agreed with the seating, was arranged more like ceremony.

But would be hard to get relatively bigger names in Pakistan considering the lack of funding and marketing and not having a proper pro wrestling organization. The fanbase is robust here, but there are issues from the promoters' and bookers' point of view.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Last time they had some names. Chris Masters was in there too. This time around the line-up looks like a complete joke.

Btw have you seen Sammy Guevara's vlog on his trip to Pakistan? Its actually a pretty fun watch lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyFuMixAiEA

will check it out. he was a complete no name back then. became a relatively big name 2 years later.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The arrangement looks laughable to me, it looks like a pro wrestling event filled with random Indies and plus why do they need fancy seating for the front row.. the front row looks like its gonna be used by chief guests and those oldies whom haven't even watched pro wrestling, let alone WWE.

Bro these guys aren't even wrestling on any half-decent indies. They are Z list European indie guys.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Bro these guys aren't even wrestling on any half-decent indies. They are Z list European indie guys.

With guys like Aries, Scrull, Gordon all out of favor from NA and European promoters, they could have tried to get them in there. Then there are tons of guys from Mexican circuit, who won't have that high of an asking price either. Velveteen might well be desperate for a job right now.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

With guys like Aries, Scrull, Gordon all out of favor from NA and European promoters, they could have tried to get them in there. Then there are tons of guys from Mexican circuit, who won't have that high of an asking price either. Velveteen might well be desperate for a job right now.

I don't know bro. I would stay away from creeps and sex pests like Scrull and Velveteen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What the F is going on in AEW? It's like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

I don't think there is any denying that Sammy Guevara is probably of the biggest p*icks in the AEW locker-room. And is without a doubt, the cause of starting all this. Just read his tweet addressed to Andrade. But what I don't get is how AEW allowed this to happen...why were these two guys not separated when the heated exchange had already taken place on Twitter and why Sammy wasn't sent home as well when Andrade was, eventhough Andrade also had an advertised match?

Things in AEW have really gotten out of hand. It has gotten way past the point of 'the inmates running the asylum' and the worst part is that its the fans who suffer as a result of this.

This isn't even the first Sammy Guevara incident in the last two months.

 

[shaz619]

What the F is going on in AEW? It's like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

I don't think there is any denying that Sammy Guevara is probably of the biggest p*icks in the AEW locker-room. And is without a doubt, the cause of starting all this. Just read his tweet addressed to Andrade. But what I don't get is how AEW allowed this to happen...why were these two guys not separated when the heated exchange had already taken place on Twitter and why Sammy wasn't sent home as well when Andrade was, eventhough Andrade also had an advertised match?

Things in AEW have really gotten out of hand. It has gotten way past the point of 'the inmates running the asylum' and the worst part is that its the fans who suffer as a result of this.

This isn't even the first Sammy Guevara incident in the last two months.

If you felt sorry for Tony for the Punk/Elite stuff don’t feel sorry for him now at all, the shear incompetence and negligence is unreal.

Did Andrade lamp him one? hopefully he did

 

[shaz619]

What the F is going on in AEW? It's like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

I don't think there is any denying that Sammy Guevara is probably of the biggest p*icks in the AEW locker-room. And is without a doubt, the cause of starting all this. Just read his tweet addressed to Andrade. But what I don't get is how AEW allowed this to happen...why were these two guys not separated when the heated exchange had already taken place on Twitter and why Sammy wasn't sent home as well when Andrade was, eventhough Andrade also had an advertised match?

Things in AEW have really gotten out of hand. It has gotten way past the point of 'the inmates running the asylum' and the worst part is that its the fans who suffer as a result of this.

This isn't even the first Sammy Guevara incident in the last two months.

Interesting thing is money mark has rewarded the originator of the disturbances in the space of back to back months!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don't know bro. I would stay away from creeps and sex pests like Scrull and Velveteen.

All of the above names I've listed have had well documented controversies and quite possibly big POS. But these are the guys who are sort of the only names Pak can afford who the public can recognize. It's business at the end of the day.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If you felt sorry for Tony for the Punk/Elite stuff don’t feel sorry for him now at all, the shear incompetence and negligence is unreal.

Did Andrade lamp him one? hopefully he did

Said it long time ago, Tony is incompetent and doesn't know how to conduct the business professionally and is too much of a kitten to do anything about it. His mantra of money can handle everything is not working.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

What the F is going on in AEW? It's like fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

I don't think there is any denying that Sammy Guevara is probably of the biggest p*icks in the AEW locker-room. And is without a doubt, the cause of starting all this. Just read his tweet addressed to Andrade. But what I don't get is how AEW allowed this to happen...why were these two guys not separated when the heated exchange had already taken place on Twitter and why Sammy wasn't sent home as well when Andrade was, eventhough Andrade also had an advertised match?

Things in AEW have really gotten out of hand. It has gotten way past the point of 'the inmates running the asylum' and the worst part is that its the fans who suffer as a result of this.

This isn't even the first Sammy Guevara incident in the last two months.

Sammy definitely has his head in the clouds.

But I'll say Andrade isn't a ***** as well. The guy had been ranting about WWE on twitter only a few months ago. And now that Trips is in charge there, he is all of a sudden AEW sucks and I want out.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

All of the above names I've listed have had well documented controversies and quite possibly big POS. But these are the guys who are sort of the only names Pak can afford who the public can recognize. It's business at the end of the day.

I dunno man. For me, you have to draw the line somewhere. And the s**t that Scrull is accused of and the stuff that Velveteen Dream has been doing recently...I don't think those guys should be getting booked anywhere.

For me all these creeps, rapists, sex pests and psychopaths (Joey Ryan, David Starr, Jimmy Havoc included) need to be banished from wrestling for good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sammy definitely has his head in the clouds.

But I'll say Andrade isn't a ***** as well. The guy had been ranting about WWE on twitter only a few months ago. And now that Trips is in charge there, he is all of a sudden AEW sucks and I want out.

If you felt sorry for Tony for the Punk/Elite stuff don’t feel sorry for him now at all, the shear incompetence and negligence is unreal.

Did Andrade lamp him one? hopefully he did

I may have jumped the gun on this. Apparently the news that is coming out is that Andrade and Sammy were specifically told not to fight after their exchange on Twitter. Both guys agreed but despite that Andrade decked Sammy with two punches backstage. Sammy to his credit, did not fight back. After which Andrade was sent home.

Meltzer is saying that Andrade is deliberately trying to get fired. And that he is one of 3 guys in AEW that were contacted by WWE and want to go there. While Meltzer is known for talking out of his a** on numerous occasions, I have to say this story actually does sound fairly plausible. Especially considering Andrade was the only aggressor in this entire situation. And when you think about it, he is the one who started all this by specifically mentioning in that interview that the only person in the AEW locker-room that he had a problem with was Sammy.

[MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] I think you're right. He wants to go to WWE because his wife is there...the only woman who can add credibility to him as a mouth-piece (Zelina Vega) is there, and I guess he is under the misconception that H is going to make him the next Eddie Guerrero.

If everything that has been reported by Meltzer is true then Tony should finally show some guts and pay this guy to stay at home until his contract runs out. That's the only punishment that is fair for pulling this kind straight-up unprofessional s**t.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The most ironic thing about this entire Andrade deal is that he was actually involved in a storyline about contract tampering and was supposed to wrestle a Mask vs. Career match on Rampage


If we're being real about Andrade though I don't feel he is nearly as good as he seems to think he is. Yeah, he can have great matches and he has had some whopper matches in NXT, WWE and AEW. But the guy is freakin' unintelligible when he talks. Like, you struggle to understand a single word coming out of his mouth whether its in English or Spanish. Even more importantly, he did not get over in WWE or AEW. And I don't think either run can be categorized as a success.

Its funny how Tony was trying to put together a faction for this guy. Rush was brought in largely to consolidate Andrade. Meanwhile this guy is trying to sabotage Tony and his business. This is what happens though when you don't show the guts to do what's necessary. If this was Vince I can assure you that he would have paid Andrade to sit at home and let his contract run out. But somehow I doubt Tony will actually do that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sammy definitely has his head in the clouds.

But I'll say Andrade isn't a ***** as well. The guy had been ranting about WWE on twitter only a few months ago. And now that Trips is in charge there, he is all of a sudden AEW sucks and I want out.

Remember when he was relegated to being an undercard jobber by WWE during the pandemic? He didn't wrestle a single match in WWE in 2021 and was said to be "miserable" when he asked for his release. And now he thinks that just because HHH is there, sky is the limit for him.

Only problem is that H is not going to get him over, he has to do that himself. And for that to happen, he will have to show the fans something vastly different than what he has shown thus far. Because clearly that hasn't worked much. But man, what an ungrateful p***k, this guy is.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

HHH is in revenge mode lol. He's not over the loss of his golden boys Adam Cole and Kyle O'Reilly. He will try to get back as many of his old NXT guys as he possibly can to make up for it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I dunno man. For me, you have to draw the line somewhere. And the s**t that Scrull is accused of and the stuff that Velveteen Dream has been doing recently...I don't think those guys should be getting booked anywhere.

For me all these creeps, rapists, sex pests and psychopaths (Joey Ryan, David Starr, Jimmy Havoc included) need to be banished from wrestling for good.

Yes they should. I think there'll be many more in the wrestling business currently with vulgar and immortal behavior that hasn't come to the attention yet. It's a pretty dirty business in general.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Remember when he was relegated to being an undercard jobber by WWE during the pandemic? He didn't wrestle a single match in WWE in 2021 and was said to be "miserable" when he asked for his release. And now he thinks that just because HHH is there, sky is the limit for him.

Only problem is that H is not going to get him over, he has to do that himself. And for that to happen, he will have to show the fans something vastly different than what he has shown thus far. Because clearly that hasn't worked much. But man, what an ungrateful p***k, this guy is.

Andrade is very good in the ring, yes. He can work great matches, yes. That's all he has to offer. He has no personality. Naito actually plays Andrade's gimmick better than he does. He can't talk. Plus he has a pretty big ego for nothing. His unprofessional behavior would get the better of him again if he goes back to WWE and will start this tripe all over again. Santos Escobar is much better than him. Can talk and has personality.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The most ironic thing about this entire Andrade deal is that he was actually involved in a storyline about contract tampering and was supposed to wrestle a Mask vs. Career match on Rampage


If we're being real about Andrade though I don't feel he is nearly as good as he seems to think he is. Yeah, he can have great matches and he has had some whopper matches in NXT, WWE and AEW. But the guy is freakin' unintelligible when he talks. Like, you struggle to understand a single word coming out of his mouth whether its in English or Spanish. Even more importantly, he did not get over in WWE or AEW. And I don't think either run can be categorized as a success.

Its funny how Tony was trying to put together a faction for this guy. Rush was brought in largely to consolidate Andrade. Meanwhile this guy is trying to sabotage Tony and his business. This is what happens though when you don't show the guts to do what's necessary. If this was Vince I can assure you that he would have paid Andrade to sit at home and let his contract run out. But somehow I doubt Tony will actually do that.

Freezing the contract would be a better option for serial offenders. Sitting at home and getting paid wouldn't hurt any of these guys.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Freezing the contract would be a better option for serial offenders. Sitting at home and getting paid wouldn't hurt any of these guys.

Yeah you're right. Him getting a fat paycheck for not working would hardly be a punishment.

Another idea is to book him to lose matches on TV and completely bury him. But I don't believe Tony has the guts to do that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Andrade is very good in the ring, yes. He can work great matches, yes. That's all he has to offer. He has no personality. Naito actually plays Andrade's gimmick better than he does. He can't talk. Plus he has a pretty big ego for nothing. His unprofessional behavior would get the better of him again if he goes back to WWE and will start this tripe all over again. Santos Escobar is much better than him. Can talk and has personality.

There are literally 50 Mexican or Latino guys who could be bigger Latino stars than him. And you're right about Naito. Naito barely says much of anything either and yet he oozes charisma and personality which is rare to begin with, in a territory like Japan. Both him and Andrade are in the same faction too lol. And yet the difference between Naito and Andrade is night and day.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yeah you're right. Him getting a fat paycheck for not working would hardly be a punishment.

Another idea is to book him to lose matches on TV and completely bury him. But I don't believe Tony has the guts to do that.

He could ruin the live matches by not sabotaging the matches intentionally then. Could injure through a shoot or stuff.

Freezing the contract should be the best option for serial offenders. But I guess AEW guys are allowed to wrestle for indies.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He could ruin the live matches by not sabotaging the matches intentionally then. Could injure through a shoot or stuff.

Freezing the contract should be the best option for serial offenders. But I guess AEW guys are allowed to wrestle for indies.

Yeah you're right. That sounds like the best punishment for an offence like this.

 

[shaz619]

Meltzer has absolutely zero credibility, he will report anything as long as you are willing to to speak with him and convey your biased perspective and after his diabolical so called wrestling journalism on the Punk/Elite situation I wouldn’t believe a word.

Actions speak louder then words and the common factor in all of this is Tony Khan’s lack of leadership, the guy is like some messiah who can’t be criticised remotely, there are always excuses being made for this guy. Just being asked not to fight was his idea of defusing the situation if true is so hilarious and amateurish.

We have to be careful what is said in wrestling media, it’s so one sided and not fact based, more speculation and rumours 99% of the time and Meltzer is the worst culprit.

On Andrade the talent, I didn’t follow him in AEW given how they kill any hype you have with horrible booking. But having watched him literally ring side, he is special as a ring performer, if you’re not a talker you need to be special in the ring and he can really work, not just an over hyped flipper or tachnical rasler, technically sound in the ring, so athletic and outstanding in the air. He can’t talk but with Zelina Vega he didn’t need to and he oused physical charisma. The comparisons with Naito shouldn’t exist, he would be a jobber potentially if he fought in North America, he is so over rated it’s ridiculous, all he is good for is making rettarded facial expressions and having ok matches against the same workers again and again, he is not on the level of Okada or Nakamura, he would be a mid success outside Japan.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Meltzer has absolutely zero credibility, he will report anything as long as you are willing to to speak with him and convey your biased perspective and after his diabolical so called wrestling journalism on the Punk/Elite situation I wouldn’t believe a word.

Actions speak louder then words and the common factor in all of this is Tony Khan’s lack of leadership, the guy is like some messiah who can’t be criticised remotely, there are always excuses being made for this guy. Just being asked not to fight was his idea of defusing the situation if true is so hilarious and amateurish.

We have to be careful what is said in wrestling media, it’s so one sided and not fact based, more speculation and rumours 99% of the time and Meltzer is the worst culprit.

On Andrade the talent, I didn’t follow him in AEW given how they kill any hype you have with horrible booking. But having watched him literally ring side, he is special as a ring performer, if you’re not a talker you need to be special in the ring and he can really work, not just an over hyped flipper or tachnical rasler, technically sound in the ring, so athletic and outstanding in the air. He can’t talk but with Zelina Vega he didn’t need to and he oused physical charisma. The comparisons with Naito shouldn’t exist, he would be a jobber potentially if he fought in North America, he is so over rated it’s ridiculous, all he is good for is making rettarded facial expressions and having ok matches against the same workers again and again, he is not on the level of Okada or Nakamura, he would be a mid success outside Japan.

Yeah but if Sammy was truly at fault why wasn't he sent home? And why was he allowed to wrestle the main-event? In the Punk/Elite situation both parties were suspended. That is not the case here.

Regarding, Andrade, I don't agree. I have seen the entireity of his AEW run and watched his main -roster run in WWE. The guy is nothing more than a midcarder. Yeah he's a very good wrestler but that doesn't mean much you have a roster loaded with good to great wrestlers. More than anything, he does not have anything going in the personality department and would probably be a midcarder everywhere besides Mexico.

You can blame AEW for alot of things but fact is they tried to get Andrade over. He was booked strong and was involved in many high-profile feuds with Cody, PAC, Sammy, Darby/Sting. They even reunited his old faction. But fact of the matter is that he simply did not get over. And for that he has only himself to blame. At the end of the day, he is not a name that AEW will miss having on their roster. Especially when they have just signed someone like Bandido...who has much bigger upside as a potential Latino top guy than Andrade.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Meltzer has absolutely zero credibility, he will report anything as long as you are willing to to speak with him and convey your biased perspective and after his diabolical so called wrestling journalism on the Punk/Elite situation I wouldn’t believe a word.

Actions speak louder then words and the common factor in all of this is Tony Khan’s lack of leadership, the guy is like some messiah who can’t be criticised remotely, there are always excuses being made for this guy. Just being asked not to fight was his idea of defusing the situation if true is so hilarious and amateurish.

We have to be careful what is said in wrestling media, it’s so one sided and not fact based, more speculation and rumours 99% of the time and Meltzer is the worst culprit.

On Andrade the talent, I didn’t follow him in AEW given how they kill any hype you have with horrible booking. But having watched him literally ring side, he is special as a ring performer, if you’re not a talker you need to be special in the ring and he can really work, not just an over hyped flipper or tachnical rasler, technically sound in the ring, so athletic and outstanding in the air. He can’t talk but with Zelina Vega he didn’t need to and he oused physical charisma. The comparisons with Naito shouldn’t exist, he would be a jobber potentially if he fought in North America, he is so over rated it’s ridiculous, all he is good for is making rettarded facial expressions and having ok matches against the same workers again and again, he is not on the level of Okada or Nakamura, he would be a mid success outside Japan.

I'm not a fan of Meltzer and he destroyed his credibility in my eyes after the character assassination he carried out on Punk. But this story that a few ex-WWE/NXT guys in AEW want to go back actually has alot of legs. There are a number of things about Buddy Matthews and Malakai Black's statements that just don't add up. Black has changed his statement atleast 3 or 4 times.

I would also say that TMZ is not exactly a credible news source.

AEW should release an official statement on this and clarify the situation instead of letting the dirtsheets tell the story.

 

[shaz619]

I'm not a fan of Meltzer and he destroyed his credibility in my eyes after the character assassination he carried out on Punk. But this story that a few ex-WWE/NXT guys in AEW want to go back actually has alot of legs. There are a number of things about Buddy Matthews and Malakai Black's statements that just don't add up. Black has changed his statement atleast 3 or 4 times.

I would also say that TMZ is not exactly a credible news source.

AEW should release an official statement on this and clarify the situation instead of letting the dirtsheets tell the story.

If they want to go they want to go I don’t blame them and FTR could be next you wouldn’t blame them would you, but this narrative is being fed to Dave to malign Andrade further and take heat of Tony Khan’s ineptness. In fact Dave has been using WWE’s isolated backstage fights from decades ago to justify AEW’s recent events. Tony has been bending over and twerking for the observer lately, this mark actually said he got 2 months to sort things so he can win the observer promoter of the year. Lets wait to hear from the wrestling news and Brian Last’s take, is it a coincidence that apart from these guys the rest of the media are spewing the same story again and again, they did the same with Punk

 

[shaz619]

Yeah but if Sammy was truly at fault why wasn't he sent home? And why was he allowed to wrestle the main-event? In the Punk/Elite situation both parties were suspended. That is not the case here.

Regarding, Andrade, I don't agree. I have seen the entireity of his AEW run and watched his main -roster run in WWE. The guy is nothing more than a midcarder. Yeah he's a very good wrestler but that doesn't mean much you have a roster loaded with good to great wrestlers. More than anything, he does not have anything going in the personality department and would probably be a midcarder everywhere besides Mexico.

You can blame AEW for alot of things but fact is they tried to get Andrade over. He was booked strong and was involved in many high-profile feuds with Cody, PAC, Sammy, Darby/Sting. They even reunited his old faction. But fact of the matter is that he simply did not get over. And for that he has only himself to blame. At the end of the day, he is not a name that AEW will miss having on their roster. Especially when they have just signed someone like Bandido...who has much bigger upside as a potential Latino top guy than Andrade.

The same reason why that dumb phuck wasn’t sent home. TK has a habit of taking sides and rewarding people for their antics. Thank you Sammy for instigating sh!t and I want to book you in the main event for getting your behind handed to you. Sports based wrestling at its best right.

If Yuta and Garcia are getting a rocket strapped to their back, why the hell shouldn’t Andrade, he is an elite wrestler compared to those pansies who are not good enough to main event sunday night heat and would never have the success he did in NXT. And at the very least he should expect better treatment or around the same level as in the E, AEW is not a company which is blessed with third generation wrestlers are they from top to bottom, a big chunk of there stars are untrained. Andrade has had success in the US and Mexico though hasn’t he, if they signed him with the idea to put him in the mid card then they have a serious disability in the mind

Sure Andrade is a not a loss when they got Jungle Boy, Adam Page, Orange Cassidy and Jessica Hart are on their roster, not to mention their award winning booking which has helped the likes of Samoa Joe, Adam Cole and Cesaro. AEW have zero blame for their efforts and all praise be to Tony Khan the almighty

 

[shaz619]

Wrestling fans can pick sides between Andrade and that ***** Sammy that’s cool, but how they are protecting TK is just beyond me, this dude must be the second coming of Jesus because he can turn water into whine surely

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Wrestling fans can pick sides between Andrade and that ***** Sammy that’s cool, but how they are protecting TK is just beyond me, this dude must be the second coming of Jesus because he can turn water into whine surely

Think Tony gets criticized a lot. He is pretty much a joke. So is Meltzer. Only AEW ******* consider Tony and Dave to be something divine.

 

[MenInG]

Wrestling stars have been paying tribute to the winner of a WWE reality show who has died at the age of 30.

Sara Lee won the 2015 edition of Tough Enough - an elimination-style programme launched to find new talent to join the company.

According to local media, Sara was a track star and powerlifter at her US high school before she embarked on her wrestling career.

Her mother Terri Lee announced the death in a statement posted online.

"It is with heavy hearts that we share the news that our Sarah Weston has gone to be with Jesus," she wrote. "We are all in shock."

Lee, from the US state of Michigan, was awarded a $250,000 contract after her winning appearance on Tough Enough, but was released the following year.

She was married to former WWE wrestler Cory James Weston, known as Westin Blake.

Wrestling star Saraya, formerly known as Paige, was among those to pay tribute to Sara, describing her as a "very sweet human who I got the pleasure to know and work with".

 

[shaz619]

Think Tony gets criticized a lot. He is pretty much a joke. So is Meltzer. Only AEW ******* consider Tony and Dave to be something divine.

It’s mostly the crows who love coke and alcohol, for Tony takes it to help him book the show and play promoter. Half the time he is off his head. When Dave bigs him up I am stunned folk fail to recognise that he and Tony have a relationship

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The same reason why that dumb phuck wasn’t sent home. TK has a habit of taking sides and rewarding people for their antics. Thank you Sammy for instigating sh!t and I want to book you in the main event for getting your behind handed to you. Sports based wrestling at its best right.

If Yuta and Garcia are getting a rocket strapped to their back, why the hell shouldn’t Andrade, he is an elite wrestler compared to those pansies who are not good enough to main event sunday night heat and would never have the success he did in NXT. And at the very least he should expect better treatment or around the same level as in the E, AEW is not a company which is blessed with third generation wrestlers are they from top to bottom, a big chunk of there stars are untrained. Andrade has had success in the US and Mexico though hasn’t he, if they signed him with the idea to put him in the mid card then they have a serious disability in the mind

Sure Andrade is a not a loss when they got Jungle Boy, Adam Page, Orange Cassidy and Jessica Hart are on their roster, not to mention their award winning booking which has helped the likes of Samoa Joe, Adam Cole and Cesaro. AEW have zero blame for their efforts and all praise be to Tony Khan the almighty

That does not sound plausible to me. If Sammy got physical he would have been sent home. I have also heard no one dispute the claim that Andrade decked Sammy and started the fight. And honestly, this kind of behavior is unacceptable after everything that just transpired a month ago. Obviously we have not gotten the full-story yet. But if Andrade really did do everything Dave is claiming he did then he should be made an example of.

Yeah but this is not the first time this kind of thing has happened with Andrade either. He was bitchin and moaning in WWE too.

I'm not a fan of Jungle Boy or Adam Page, but fact is both those guys and Cassidy have gotten over big with the crowd at different points of time. Especially Cassidy who has changed alot of people's perception of what a comedy wrestler is capable of doing. Andrade on the other hand has not gotten over despite being there for over a year. If guys like Yuta and Garcia can get over in AEW, why can't Andrade?

I can't imagine that Andrade was signed to be booked as a top guy. Whatever you may think of him he is simply not on the level of guys like Punk, Moxley, Danielson, Omega, Jericho, MJF, Samoa Joe. Not even close. I wouldn't even put him in the same league as Adam Cole, Claudio, O'Reilly. And as much as I despise the empty headed DF, even he feels like more of a main-eventer than Andrade.

At the end of the day, his inability to speak is a massive crutch and something that will always impede him from reaching the top in the US. There are very few top guys in the US that can move past a crutch like this. And Andrade ain't no Goldberg or Lesnar.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If they want to go they want to go I don’t blame them and FTR could be next you wouldn’t blame them would you, but this narrative is being fed to Dave to malign Andrade further and take heat of Tony Khan’s ineptness. In fact Dave has been using WWE’s isolated backstage fights from decades ago to justify AEW’s recent events. Tony has been bending over and twerking for the observer lately, this mark actually said he got 2 months to sort things so he can win the observer promoter of the year. Lets wait to hear from the wrestling news and Brian Last’s take, is it a coincidence that apart from these guys the rest of the media are spewing the same story again and again, they did the same with Punk

That’s not how it works though bro. They signed three-year deals. If they weren’t sure about AEW then why did they sign 3-year deals? Letting these guys walk out willy nilly into the arms of the competitor would be a bonehead business move although I wouldn’t put it past Tony. He'll probably hug them on their way out too.

Tony may be incompetent but many of the wrestlers are not blameless either for the s***t that they have been pulling. Which can be seen as a way of sabotaging the company. Especially considering that most of them were either sitting at home or streaming videos on Twitch when AEW picked them up, gave them lucrative contacts and a chance to ‘be themselves’.

WWE is a wasteland for Tag Team wrestling. I don’t see FTR going back there unless they have absolutely no other choice. Especially considering they have won every tag team belt there is to win there and the fact that they expressed a very public displeasure of Hunter and Shawn on Cornette’s podcast.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

On a different and more lighter note, Tales from the Territories premiered their first episode earlier this week. The show is created by the the same guys behind Dark Side of the Ring and The Rock has produced it. Each episode is supposed to focus on a specific territory and the first episode was about Memphis Wrestling.

Right off the bat, I have to say that I really enjoyed it. It basically just features guys who were part of the territory telling stories that are recreated the same way they are in Dark Side. But the light-hearted and fun tone of his show is a welcome change from the dreariness of Dark Side.

The Memphis episode featured some great talking heads that obviously had long-standing association with the CWA: Lawler, Jerry Jarrett, Jimmy Hart, Dutch Mantel...Jeff Jarrett was on there too.

Looking forward to the episodes on Mid-South, AWA, Florida and one territory I hadn't even heard of: Polynesian Pro Wrestling, which apparently was a territory in Hawaii run by The Rock's grandparents. Would heavily recommend this show [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[shaz619]

That does not sound plausible to me. If Sammy got physical he would have been sent home. I have also heard no one dispute the claim that Andrade decked Sammy and started the fight. And honestly, this kind of behavior is unacceptable after everything that just transpired a month ago. Obviously we have not gotten the full-story yet. But if Andrade really did do everything Dave is claiming he did then he should be made an example of.

Yeah but this is not the first time this kind of thing has happened with Andrade either. He was bitchin and moaning in WWE too.

I'm not a fan of Jungle Boy or Adam Page, but fact is both those guys and Cassidy have gotten over big with the crowd at different points of time. Especially Cassidy who has changed alot of people's perception of what a comedy wrestler is capable of doing. Andrade on the other hand has not gotten over despite being there for over a year. If guys like Yuta and Garcia can get over in AEW, why can't Andrade?

I can't imagine that Andrade was signed to be booked as a top guy. Whatever you may think of him he is simply not on the level of guys like Punk, Moxley, Danielson, Omega, Jericho, MJF, Samoa Joe. Not even close. I wouldn't even put him in the same league as Adam Cole, Claudio, O'Reilly. And as much as I despise the empty headed DF, even he feels like more of a main-eventer than Andrade.

At the end of the day, his inability to speak is a massive crutch and something that will always impede him from reaching the top in the US. There are very few top guys in the US that can move past a crutch like this. And Andrade ain't no Goldberg or Lesnar.

You’re talking about the actual incident but ignoring what led up to it, Tony Khan using Dave to defend his lack of leadership by pointing out he tried to prevent an altercation, how exactly did he go about doing that? the first time these guys saw each other after the twitter spat was at the show, and it led to Sammy getting his *** beat from genesis to revelations, now in a “sport” which is fake that guy gets rewarded for his beating with a main event. Andrade decked him and got suspended that’s fine. But why are people eating Tony’s balls I don’t get that part? what has he done which is so great in all of this? he saw before all on social media what happened and Sammy is not exactly the saint he is being made out to be. And we are still going by Dave’s interpretation and info which has been leaked to him. What was Andrade ******** about in the E? it’s interesting he gets criticised as some third rate jobber when stuff like this happens same happened with Punk to, where were all his critics before this? bumming the likes of Yuta , Garcia, Jungle Boy and that amateur Adam Page, AEW fans are pure aids.

Page, Jungle Boy and Cassidy are a plague on the wrestling business and to even compare them with a third generation talent is unreal really, those guys have achieved nothing and the state of AEW really is a reflection of Tony’s investment in a bunch of spot monkeys who are a disgrace to wrestling, they were over among the hipster crowd for a while what are they now? they are no where close to main event material, they were a cheap nut for a depraved audience but the national audience should show you what they’ve achieved. If we are ignoring Andrade’s success in the states, he has done more in his country then the names you have mentioned in theirs.

As far as his ring work is concerned its on the level of all those guys, he may not compete as a package for some the ATG talent but to suggest he cant’t hang is ignorant really and you mentioned Cesaro who is deeply bland, if he is well liked, I don’t see why Andrade isn’t unless it’s more related for his behaviour but am glad he beat the crap out of Sammy its good to see wrestlers take the initiative that way, I wish Punk shooted on that coward Page as well. And I don’t think anyone is comparing him to Lesnar or Goldberg but there is no reason why he can’t be booked in the vein of a Nakamura or his previous run in NXT really, if he does leave and its to the E, I guarantee you he will have a better run then under that coke addict