The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[dashing_man]

what the hell have campaigns got to do with the lack of quality? even the 80's era with Hogan at the helm wasn't this bad, there was something called consistent episodic booking you nugget go back to watching Gabi on Tough Enough and Eva on Total Divas you wannabe smark

there were never BA Star, Susan G Komen, etc etc back in the days mr. smark. these campaigns being involved in shows RAW/SD have messed up most of the things. Vince thought well, we'll give them stipulation matches, which failed because there goes the moment of surprise. He's named PPVs with Stipulation names so we don't get any surprise or value for that. in fact we start whining and complaining about the match going to happen months before the actual PPV

 

[Markhor]

The legends panel with JBL about Undertaker was fantastic.

Austin, HBK and Triple H shooting the breeze about Taker - could've gone on for another hour.

 

[shaz619]

there were never BA Star, Susan G Komen, etc etc back in the days mr. smark. these campaigns being involved in shows RAW/SD have messed up most of the things. Vince thought well, we'll give them stipulation matches, which failed because there goes the moment of surprise. He's named PPVs with Stipulation names so we don't get any surprise or value for that. in fact we start whining and complaining about the match going to happen months before the actual PPV

The legends panel with JBL about Undertaker was fantastic.

Austin, HBK and Triple H shooting the breeze about Taker - could've gone on for another hour.

I've watched bits of it but not got around seeing it all; will do at some point on the Network. One thing that stands out more then anything when people talk about The Undertaker is RESPECT; honestly I've never heard a bad word being said about him never mind his peers but even in the dirt sheets. Even the most bitter folk like Bret and Loose Canons like Cornette always go out of their way to put him over. With talent it was always a matter of trying to impress the Undertaker and there was a fear of doing something which he wouldn't be too happy about; the business always came before everything else for Taker and he expected the same from everyone else.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] when you first saw the character did you feel like he would just be another "gimmick" which was typical during the early 90's with so many silly characters like Gobly Gooker, The Mountie or Doink the Clown to name a few or did you feel as if he could potentially be something truly special. His debut certainly proved that his presence was something to behold. I don't think anyone would have expected the Undertaker character to evolve as much as it did and he adjusted to the demands of every era he fought in.

 

[Markhor]

I've watched bits of it but not got around seeing it all; will do at some point on the Network. One thing that stands out more then anything when people talk about The Undertaker is RESPECT; honestly I've never heard a bad word being said about him never mind his peers but even in the dirt sheets. Even the most bitter folk like Bret and Loose Canons like Cornette always go out of their way to put him over. With talent it was always a matter of trying to impress the Undertaker and there was a fear of doing something which he wouldn't be too happy about; the business always came before everything else for Taker and he expected the same from everyone else.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] when you first saw the character did you feel like he would just be another "gimmick" which was typical during the early 90's with so many silly characters like Gobly Gooker, The Mountie or Doink the Clown to name a few or did you feel as if he could potentially be something truly special. His debut certainly proved that his presence was something to behold. I don't think anyone would have expected the Undertaker character to evolve as much as it did and he adjusted to the demands of every era he fought in.

No way, you can tell when you go back and watch his debut we have something special on our hands. He makes his entrance and the facial reactions in the crowd are priceless. The gimmick worked because it was so much edgier than anything they were doing at the time.

He was the first of the anti-heroes, Taker was not a traditional babyface but darker and cooler with the black hat, trench coat and leather gloves. The white meat babyface, 'say your prayers and take your vitamins' character that Hogan was became worn out at the time. Infact when you go back and watch Taker's first title win at Survivor Series 91 when he beat Hogan that half the fans were cheering ! That's despite Taker being a heel at the time.

 

[shaz619]

No way, you can tell when you go back and watch his debut we have something special on our hands. He makes his entrance and the facial reactions in the crowd are priceless. The gimmick worked because it was so much edgier than anything they were doing at the time.

He was the first of the anti-heroes, Taker was not a traditional babyface but darker and cooler with the black hat, trench coat and leather gloves. The white meat babyface, 'say your prayers and take your vitamins' character that Hogan was became worn out at the time. Infact when you go back and watch Taker's first title win at Survivor Series 91 when he beat Hogan that half the fans were cheering ! That's despite Taker being a heel at the time.

The most fascinating thing is that in an era where kayfabe was still alive, lack of smarks and a product which pushed goofy baby faces and narcissistic American Superheroes as you say; a dark character was super over with that very audience! that's just unbelievable! I can't get my head around that but the character being something refreshing must be one the pivotal reasons Undertaker was truly special.

 

[shaz619]

There needs to be consistent booking also. The gimmick PPVs are stupid I agree. A hell in a cell should only be used to end an epic feud like it was in the old days. These campaigns give WWE publicity and improves their PR image. They,aren't what makes the product bad. They are cheesy and narcissistic but if the product was good they would be a minor issue. It's the inconsistent lazy booking that hurts the product the most. In terms of in ring talent WWE probably has the best roster in a long time. But so many wrestlers are being under-utilised. E.g why does WWE have no main event level heels apart from Rollins. So they had to get Sheamus who was languishing in the midcard getting very little heat and jobbing to the Usos is now the company's top heel.


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Yep pretty much this but that idiot seems to link campaigns which give wwe publicity and improve their image with poor booking they are two different entities it's like blaming the toilet cleaner for the failures of the writing team. The product can still be entertaining in the confines of a PG era, we've seen the Summer of Punk, the Authority v Bryan angle (even if it was fans wroe that), Shawn v Y2J, Punk v Paul Heyman w/Lesnar, Undertaker v Edge, Batista v Cena, CM Punk (Straight Edge Saviour) v Taker, CM Punk (Heel as saviour as well I think or leader of a faction) v Jeff Hardy I could go on and am just mentioning these feuds from the modern era; there were brilliant feuds during the 80's and early 90's to when the product was family friendly. 99% of the problems go back to lack of consistent episodic TV and wrestling 101 booking, the writing team needs to be replaced and Vince needs to stop having the final say on what they put out on RAW every week.

 

[Adil_94]

Yep pretty much this but that idiot seems to link campaigns which give wwe publicity and improve their image with poor booking they are two different entities it's like blaming the toilet cleaner for the failures of the writing team. The product can still be entertaining in the confines of a PG era, we've seen the Summer of Punk, the Authority v Bryan angle (even if it was fans wroe that), Shawn v Y2J, Punk v Paul Heyman w/Lesnar, Undertaker v Edge, Batista v Cena, CM Punk (Straight Edge Saviour) v Taker, CM Punk (Heel as saviour as well I think or leader of a faction) v Jeff Hardy I could go on and am just mentioning these feuds from the modern era; there were brilliant feuds during the 80's and early 90's to when the product was family friendly. 99% of the problems go back to lack of consistent episodic TV and wrestling 101 booking, the writing team needs to be replaced and Vince needs to stop having the final say on what they put out on RAW every week.

Vince needs to go now. Seriously the man is so out of touch. The sooner Hunter takes over the better.


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[dashing_man]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

 

[Red Devil]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

Sucks, I wanted him to have another run with the WWE and retire properly.

An absolute legend! One of my favorites of all time.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

I think he said he will retire from TNA wrestling not the business full stop. After the tour he said he will take a year out and then assess his options. Kurt has said many times he wants his last match to be at mania.


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[Adil_94]

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Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

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[Adil_94]

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Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

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[Adil_94]

@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=136193" target="_blank">Adil_94</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=46929" target="_blank">shaz619</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=47617" target="_blank">Red Devil</a> @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=53290" target="_blank">Markhor</a>

Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

Kurt's most recent interview a 3 part interview.



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[Adil_94]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Kurt Angle finally retires

will have his final match in the UK tour at Wembly Arena

PS: UK rats are so lucky to have him come there

He said he wants to wrestle Bryan and wanted to retire at Mania. But whether WWE will have him back I'm not sure. Even just a Kurt Angle RR return would be epic.


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[dashing_man]

I think he said he will retire from TNA wrestling not the business full stop. After the tour he said he will take a year out and then assess his options. Kurt has said many times he wants his last match to be at mania.


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he's been in TNA longer than WWE. I hope its true, would love to see him in WWE wrestling again.

Meantime he will be commentating which he has already signed a contract

 

[dashing_man]

He said he wants to wrestle Bryan and wanted to retire at Mania. But whether WWE will have him back I'm not sure. Even just a Kurt Angle RR return would be epic.


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Vince will be begging him to come back. PPV are going to be **** again after Wrestlemania

 

[Adil_94]

Vince will be begging him to come back. PPV are going to be **** again after Wrestlemania

He tries contacting Vince after his Tna contract expired last time to return. But Vince doesn't deal with hiring new talent anymore that's Hunters and the offices responsibility now. They only offered him a full time deal not the limited or part timers schedule Kurt wanted. I think there is still some anger in WWE over Kurts departure and how he signed to TNA so soon after quitting WWE. But I'm sure when WWE sees the $$$$ in it they will resign Kurt. Having Kurt there will only improve young talent with his knowledge and expertise and he could help put over some young stars.


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[shaz619]

He tries contacting Vince after his Tna contract expired last time to return. But Vince doesn't deal with hiring new talent anymore that's Hunters and the offices responsibility now. They only offered him a full time deal not the limited or part timers schedule Kurt wanted. I think there is still some anger in WWE over Kurts departure and how he signed to TNA so soon after quitting WWE. But I'm sure when WWE sees the $$$$ in it they will resign Kurt. Having Kurt there will only improve young talent with his knowledge and expertise and he could help put over some young stars.


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Honestly I don't blame the WWE now, have you watched Kurt's Angle appearance on the big breakfast morning show? he was in the UK I think a year ago and he was taking the interviewer through all the surgeries he has had and all the pain his body endures and how he can't feel anything in his hand or arm etc. Kurt has never taken a step back or slowed down; Olympians are just on another level and he has never toned his style down. His competitiveness is also his biggest weakness to because Kurt cares not for his health. Imagine something happening to an Olympian god forbid on WWE's watch? that could be one of the reason why they are not signing him but a big part of the decision must also come from Vince being a little bitter about how Kurt left or he must have rubbed someone up the wrong way because come to think of it Kurt is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the WWE and would be an incredible asset whether as a trainer or part-timer that wrestles at best twice a year at SummerSlam and Mania. They really could do with someone like him right now and he'd be incredibly valuable even on a part-time Lesnar schedule but am just extremely worried for Kurt Angle ever since I listened to that interview with Breakfast TV.

 

[shaz619]

Sucks, I wanted him to have another run with the WWE and retire properly.

An absolute legend! One of my favorites of all time.

One of the greatest of all time; at least his final run as the GKG in the PPCW was incredible great way to sign off. Remember when Kurt first showed up in the PPCW? Cole was like "OH MY GOODNESS, JBL, IT'S THE GKG Kurt Angle RETURNING TO THE PPCW..... WE HAVENT SEEN HIM FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS.... WHERE HAS HE BEEN HIDING ALL THIS TIME????"

 

[Adil_94]

Honestly I don't blame the WWE now, have you watched Kurt's Angle appearance on the big breakfast morning show? he was in the UK I think a year ago and he was taking the interviewer through all the surgeries he has had and all the pain his body endures and how he can't feel anything in his hand or arm etc. Kurt has never taken a step back or slowed down; Olympians are just on another level and he has never toned his style down. His competitiveness is also his biggest weakness to because Kurt cares not for his health. Imagine something happening to an Olympian god forbid on WWE's watch? that could be one of the reason why they are not signing him but a big part of the decision must also come from Vince being a little bitter about how Kurt left or he must have rubbed someone up the wrong way because come to think of it Kurt is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for the WWE and would be an incredible asset whether as a trainer or part-timer that wrestles at best twice a year at SummerSlam and Mania. They really could do with someone like him right now and he'd be incredibly valuable even on a part-time Lesnar schedule but am just extremely worried for Kurt Angle ever since I listened to that interview with Breakfast TV.

Bro the links I've put in here. Is a pretty recent interview of Kurt and he's said he's healthy. If Kurt takes a year out and allows his body to heal I'm sure WWE would be willing to talk business. Even if it's just for a one off match. BAh gawd a Kurt return at RR 2017.


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[shaz619]

Bro the links I've put in here. Is a pretty recent interview of Kurt and he's said he's healthy. If Kurt takes a year out and allows his body to heal I'm sure WWE would be willing to talk business. Even if it's just for a one off match. BAh gawd a Kurt return at RR 2017.


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I don't know bro, with the style Kurt has worked, all the surgeries he has had and the pain his body is in, how he can't feel his limbs, constant need of surgery and how injury prone he has become am just extremely worried bro I wish that interview I saw was online then you'd share the same concern as me. Kurt will never be completely healthy but at best that would be the way to go, Kurt taking a year off and when he does appear it should be on a limited schedule as far as his in-ring work is concerned but am just unsure of WWE's position when it comes to him. Mentally Kurt is in a better place now though, I follow him on fb and twitter he seems genuinnly happy and understands the responsibilities he has to the family being a loving father; nice photo of him and his beautiful family recently updated I think on fb. He hasn't abused drugs or alchol or any other issues with the law in a long time. And yeah I'd give anything to see him again but just the health stuff, remember same time last year we all were talking about Angle returning at the RR to challenge a undefeated Russev for the US and World titles by winning the Rumble and main-eventing mania. Lana and Russev had nucclear heat at the time and look at them now

 

[shaz619]

Cesaro finally becomes World Champion [MENTION=138784]TheNightWatchman[/MENTION] you Happy bruh

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] WOOOO! There's only one nature boy that crazy SOB )

That's me when retards are trying to convince me that the WWE product is of a high quality even when RAW acheives its lowest rating since 1997

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] another epic segment )

We need someone to cut a promo like that in todays WWE; every word jericho said applies to the dreadful product we see today. People also forget how incredible Y2J was and man that entrance was brilliant! whoever thought of the countdown clock on the tiatron take a bow! Undertaker was great on the mic during the AE and especially as the ministry leader. Big Show was legit fearsome and booked like a beast; the stuff he could do given his size is still unbelievable

 

[dashing_man]

I'v been mostly focusing on why I think the show is crap, falling apart and why it is always pissing me off. But lately I've really been trying to focus on why I actually watch, not just spite, or cause I like watching WWE burn for pissing me off. Obviously there must be reasons to stay and be a fan enough to want to talk about it online, but I wonder if "being ****** off" is a direct correlation as to why people talk WWE online.

What part of the current product keeps you watching and talking about it online, that is a positive?!?

Doesn't Count:
I was fan of past wrestling
I am fan of NXT
I am waiting on future

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Top 5 Reasons You Watch:
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Do you watch at least 1 promotion outside WWE/NXT: Y/N

Did getting ****** off lead you to talking WWE on Internet: Y/N

Are you a WWE Network subscriber: Y/N

Do you watch every RAW (3 hours on USA/90 minutes on Hulu): Y/N

Do you watch every Smackdown: (2 hours USA/75ish mins on Hulu): Y/N

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=858]Amir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

 

[Red Devil]

I'v been mostly focusing on why I think the show is crap, falling apart and why it is always pissing me off. But lately I've really been trying to focus on why I actually watch, not just spite, or cause I like watching WWE burn for pissing me off. Obviously there must be reasons to stay and be a fan enough to want to talk about it online, but I wonder if "being ****** off" is a direct correlation as to why people talk WWE online.

What part of the current product keeps you watching and talking about it online, that is a positive?!?

Doesn't Count:
I was fan of past wrestling
I am fan of NXT
I am waiting on future

Copy paste everything below, and answer the questions:
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Top 5 Reasons You Watch:
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Do you watch at least 1 promotion outside WWE/NXT: Y/N

Did getting ****** off lead you to talking WWE on Internet: Y/N

Are you a WWE Network subscriber: Y/N

Do you watch every RAW (3 hours on USA/90 minutes on Hulu): Y/N

Do you watch every Smackdown: (2 hours USA/75ish mins on Hulu): Y/N

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=858]Amir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

Man, watching Raw these days is a freaking chore, and I'm not even kidding. I just skim through it online and watch some segments that seem interesting.

Things will get better around Wrestlemania season hopefully.

 

[Red Devil]

One of the greatest of all time; at least his final run as the GKG in the PPCW was incredible great way to sign off. Remember when Kurt first showed up in the PPCW? Cole was like "OH MY GOODNESS, JBL, IT'S THE GKG Kurt Angle RETURNING TO THE PPCW..... WE HAVENT SEEN HIM FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS.... WHERE HAS HE BEEN HIDING ALL THIS TIME????"

Picture of Kurt during his time in the PPCW. )

 

[Adil_94]

I'v been mostly focusing on why I think the show is crap, falling apart and why it is always pissing me off. But lately I've really been trying to focus on why I actually watch, not just spite, or cause I like watching WWE burn for pissing me off. Obviously there must be reasons to stay and be a fan enough to want to talk about it online, but I wonder if "being ****** off" is a direct correlation as to why people talk WWE online.

What part of the current product keeps you watching and talking about it online, that is a positive?!?

Doesn't Count:
I was fan of past wrestling
I am fan of NXT
I am waiting on future

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Top 5 Reasons You Watch:
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Do you watch at least 1 promotion outside WWE/NXT: Y/N

Did getting ****** off lead you to talking WWE on Internet: Y/N

Are you a WWE Network subscriber: Y/N

Do you watch every RAW (3 hours on USA/90 minutes on Hulu): Y/N

Do you watch every Smackdown: (2 hours USA/75ish mins on Hulu): Y/N

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Truth is I see a lot of potential in these guys. In terms of in ring matches I enjoy watching the likes of ziggler Ambrose Rollins Cesaro etc. Me the wrestling fan loves their work. But tbh I don't watch the full episodes since the last month because they bore me. I watch just segments and clips. I just feel u don't miss much if u don't watch it. I do watch all the PPVs though. Yes I do have the Network. Reasons why I still. Follow the product because I see a lot of rough diamonds that could be polished by a better creative direction and more consistent booking.


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[leatherface58]

What is worse for today's product is fans who have way too much access to the internet which I know is inevitable. Some of the more rabid fans will never be happy. They cling to a nostalgic view of the Attitude Era where every match was great, everybody was booked fair (Kane whose every match could be termed as a buried alive match) and the storylines were perfect. Now AE was much more fun than today's product but I rate the Ruthless Aggression Era (2002 -2004) as the greatest era in pro wrestling. Yeah I am giving Katie Vick the Benoit treatment.

Smackdown was the best with wrestlers like Angle, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Lesnar, Edge, Mysterio. Shelton Benjamin was very promising. Even with HHH's drawn-out reign of terror, he had the always reliable Naitch, upcoming stars like Batista and Randy Orton. Thuganomics Cena was so much fun to watch. Raw also had RVD, Booker T, HBK and Jericho.

The Angle vs Lesnar Iron Man Match, Rock vs Hogan and Rock vs Stone Cold, the multi-team TLC match at Raw, Elimination Chamber 2002, Royal Rumble 2003, 2004. Some fantastic matches.

Today, WWE has some amazing wrestlers like Cesaro, Owens, Sami Zayn, Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose. They have depth in terms of Tyler Breeze, Dolph Ziggler, Cena (Who has been amazing this year), Neville, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Bray Wyatt and Rusev. Reigns has improved immensely too.

That is a roster worth dying for and I haven't even mentioned some of the other wrestlers. But they have no idea what to do with them.

 

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[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Epic troll from HHH. )
[MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION]

Totally dissing the haters.

 

[dashing_man]

Truth is I see a lot of potential in these guys. In terms of in ring matches I enjoy watching the likes of ziggler Ambrose Rollins Cesaro etc. Me the wrestling fan loves their work. But tbh I don't watch the full episodes since the last month because they bore me. I watch just segments and clips. I just feel u don't miss much if u don't watch it. I do watch all the PPVs though. Yes I do have the Network. Reasons why I still. Follow the product because I see a lot of rough diamonds that could be polished by a better creative direction and more consistent booking.


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that's exactly what I do. I don't like where they are going but I like the wrestling. No way Vince can make that lame

 

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[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Epic troll from HHH. )
[MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION]

Totally dissing the haters.

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[shaz619]

What is worse for today's product is fans who have way too much access to the internet which I know is inevitable. Some of the more rabid fans will never be happy. They cling to a nostalgic view of the Attitude Era where every match was great, everybody was booked fair (Kane whose every match could be termed as a buried alive match) and the storylines were perfect. Now AE was much more fun than today's product but I rate the Ruthless Aggression Era (2002 -2004) as the greatest era in pro wrestling. Yeah I am giving Katie Vick the Benoit treatment.

Smackdown was the best with wrestlers like Angle, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Lesnar, Edge, Mysterio. Shelton Benjamin was very promising. Even with HHH's drawn-out reign of terror, he had the always reliable Naitch, upcoming stars like Batista and Randy Orton. Thuganomics Cena was so much fun to watch. Raw also had RVD, Booker T, HBK and Jericho.

The Angle vs Lesnar Iron Man Match, Rock vs Hogan and Rock vs Stone Cold, the multi-team TLC match at Raw, Elimination Chamber 2002, Royal Rumble 2003, 2004. Some fantastic matches.

Today, WWE has some amazing wrestlers like Cesaro, Owens, Sami Zayn, Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose. They have depth in terms of Tyler Breeze, Dolph Ziggler, Cena (Who has been amazing this year), Neville, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Bray Wyatt and Rusev. Reigns has improved immensely too.

That is a roster worth dying for and I haven't even mentioned some of the other wrestlers. But they have no idea what to do with them.

Totally agree with your post; RA was certainly the best period in terms of quality. The booking of the talent was at it's absolute peak and everything made sense. A big part of why fans cling on to the Attitude era was because it was a part of pop culture and those most popular era for wrestling in history; during that time we had some of the greatest stars in history emerge and it wasn't entirely bad in terms of quality it's subjective because Crash Style TV is not everyone's cup of tea but I personally enjoyed the insanity of it all and there were some pretty decent storylines in there and more often then not the booking team got it right barring the rise of HHH; I remember when HHH went over at mania 2000 The Rock was super over at that time and was the main guy who took over while Austin was injured; HHH became the first heel to triumph in a mania main-event thanks to his relation with the McMahons fans were literally throwing garbage at him at the end of the event; they had The Rock go over 4 weeks later at Backlash anyway so it was a pretty retarded move.

Paul Heyman spearheaded creative when it came to the rise of the smackdown during the years you speak off and in that time it defeated RAW in the ratings!

A big part of why fans have turned rogue now is given the garbage they've been fed for over a decade; but they still tune in because of their passion for wrestling so it's a a bit of bitter sweet love-hate thing going on.

 

[shaz619]

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That was Hunter talking about [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] and [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] )

That promo proves he actually cares about what smarks think and he is the only one who tries his best to listen to them despite the pressure Vince puts on him to think like him. The NXT is a great example of HHH tailoring his product to the smarks, obviously that can't be done entirely on the main-roster given that we have an audience which is a bit more diverse but he has the ability to find the common ground which will lead to consistent episodic TV.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Epic troll from HHH. )
[MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION]

Totally dissing the haters.

That was after extreme rules I think and the thing is there are smarks that take it too far and there is no way of pleasing them but when it comes to their woes directed at the booking team and creative they are usually spot on and HHH was evidently butt hurt there and it's a good thing because at least he gives a damn about what they think.

 

[shaz619]

I'v been mostly focusing on why I think the show is crap, falling apart and why it is always pissing me off. But lately I've really been trying to focus on why I actually watch, not just spite, or cause I like watching WWE burn for pissing me off. Obviously there must be reasons to stay and be a fan enough to want to talk about it online, but I wonder if "being ****** off" is a direct correlation as to why people talk WWE online.

What part of the current product keeps you watching and talking about it online, that is a positive?!?

Doesn't Count:
I was fan of past wrestling
I am fan of NXT
I am waiting on future

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Do you watch at least 1 promotion outside WWE/NXT: Y/N

Did getting ****** off lead you to talking WWE on Internet: Y/N

Are you a WWE Network subscriber: Y/N

Do you watch every RAW (3 hours on USA/90 minutes on Hulu): Y/N

Do you watch every Smackdown: (2 hours USA/75ish mins on Hulu): Y/N

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=858]Amir[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

I don't think I've watched a full episode of RAW in an extremely long time; I usually skip to the decent bits but more often then not 95% off the show is garbage. Thing usually improve a bit when it comes to the high profile PPV events but that's about it. NXT is a lot easier to put up with, besides that I watch the anniversary shows of ROH and the big events like G1 climax in NJPW; I use to watch Lucha but I sought of lost track of the episodes and couldn't find a site to watch all the seasons and I only tune into TNA to see what Kurt Angle is doing or if something big happens like Matt Hardy winning a world championship for the first time. Smackdown I watch only to see what Seth Rollins or Bray Wyatt are doing, their segments are usually great. In the end the bad out weighs the good when it comes to the WWE and it's frustrating to see them not utilize the incredible talent on their roster, I get that they won't ever change the product as a whole to allow our favourites to be "THE" man of the company but nothing is stopping them from logical booking and consistent episodic TV which doesn't insult our intelligence; Vince is in a better position to make a decision as far as what type of product to put out and if they want to go with PG for the next 10 years so be it! but the biggest issue is lack of common sense when it comes to creative.

 

[dashing_man]

That promo proves he actually cares about what smarks think and he is the only one who tries his best to listen to them despite the pressure Vince puts on him to think like him. The NXT is a great example of HHH tailoring his product to the smarks, obviously that can't be done entirely on the main-roster given that we have an audience which is a bit more diverse but he has the ability to find the common ground which will lead to consistent episodic TV.

have you seen Foley's remarks about the Full Sail crowd. He's stopped watching NXT because of them. He says they make fun of the talents and aren't just.
Last NXT during Eva's match, a guy in the front row pulled out a book and started to read it )

 

[shaz619]

have you seen Foley's remarks about the Full Sail crowd. He's stopped watching NXT because of them. He says they make fun of the talents and aren't just.
Last NXT during Eva's match, a guy in the front row pulled out a book and started to read it )

They've gone rogue lately but 60% of them are still sensible wrestling fans.

Serious ) did they actually show that?

In all the wrestling shows I've been to I never disrespect the talent, I just boo if someone is doing a great job being a heel because that's what you are supposed to do! and cheer if the face is doing a good job. I chant random stuff but it never takes away from what the talent are doing in the ring; the best thing you can do is if you're unhappy with something is go to the loo or not react at all but the fact that the guy was reading a book or whatever WWE will look at it and class it as heat I heard Eva has improved though? maybe the fans are just not accepting of her bit like how they are so harsh at Reigns even though he has improved in the last 12 months

 

[Bhaijaan]

I thought it was awesome what they did at SS. Roman got his moment, Ambrose probably got the closest he would ever get to that belt and thats his career highlight and Sheamus is back in business. Roman Reigns's 2nd world title has been nicely set up. Hopefully at Wrestlemania now after winning 2nd successive RR and i see no reason why fans should not accept him this time. He's put in the efforts, dealt with the delays. His moment is arriving.

As for Roman, he's dominated 2 back to back Rumbles. Winning this one would probably put him right in front of Austin as Rumble history's biggest badasses. Add to that if he wins the 2nd title at Mania, he will have absolutely nothing to complain about.

 

[shaz619]

I thought it was awesome what they did at SS. Roman got his moment, Ambrose probably got the closest he would ever get to that belt and thats his career highlight and Sheamus is back in business. Roman Reigns's 2nd world title has been nicely set up. Hopefully at Wrestlemania now after winning 2nd successive RR and i see no reason why fans should not accept him this time. He's put in the efforts, dealt with the delays. His moment is arriving.

As for Roman, he's dominated 2 back to back Rumbles. Winning this one would probably put him right in front of Austin as Rumble history's biggest badasses. Add to that if he wins the 2nd title at Mania, he will have absolutely nothing to complain about.

That seems like the optimal plan as far as keeping Reigns a baby face is concerned even though I would have liked to have seen him or Ambrose turn heel. Sheamus is just being used as a transitional champion, his objective is to make Reigns look Strong They are not booking Reigns like a bad asss though but that would be the way to go while limiting his mic time and having him cut serious promos instead of goofy stuff with awful jokes.

Reigns will win the title back at the Royal Rumble, Brock Lesnar is going to win the Royal Rumble itself. Reigns v Lesnar 2 will headline mania 32 and this time Reigns will defeat Lesnar Clean.

Biggest Rumble badasses:

1.Austin
2.Kane (he didn't win but no one dominated in the manner he did, using weapons and all the big red machine went insane lol was due a huge push that would culminate in winning a world championship but hunter buried him)
3.HBK

Reigns had a great performance in the Rumble which Batista won though; a year later he was seen killing time taking naps during the Rumble ) Austin called him out on it in his podcast and Fans tend to chant "Wake up Roman!" every time he gets gassed and takes a nap lmao but his fitness has improved in recent times

 

[Bhaijaan]

Whom is Hunter gonna fight this Mania? Always look forward to his matches and entrances. God i miss his championship reign with Evolution.

I hope Rock shows up sometime again later this year while Reigns is struggling against the authority and calls out HHH for a 1 on 1 in the process. Could be epic.

 

[shaz619]

Whom is Hunter gonna fight this Mania? Always look forward to his matches and entrances. God i miss his championship reign with Evolution.

I hope Rock shows up sometime again later this year while Reigns is struggling against the authority and calls out HHH for a 1 on 1 in the process. Could be epic.

Oh crap ) I forgot, maybe it will be Reigns. Then who would face Lesnar? Sheamus?....The Rock was supposed to face HHH at mania 32 but he has movie commitments, that would have been epic.

It's also worth noting that Rock has expressed a strong desire to make Reigns look Strong and put him over; he said to Vinny I'd like to do that for you kiss kiss plus the somoan connection and all

 

[Bhaijaan]

That seems like the optimal plan as far as keeping Reigns a baby face is concerned even though I would have liked to have seen him or Ambrose turn heel. Sheamus is just being used as a transitional champion, his objective is to make Reigns look Strong They are not booking Reigns like a bad asss though but that would be the way to go while limiting his mic time and having him cut serious promos instead of goofy stuff with awful jokes.

Reigns will win the title back at the Royal Rumble, Brock Lesnar is going to win the Royal Rumble itself. Reigns v Lesnar 2 will headline mania 32 and this time Reigns will defeat Lesnar Clean.

Biggest Rumble badasses:

1.Austin
2.Kane (he didn't win but no one dominated in the manner he did, using weapons and all the big red machine went insane lol was due a huge push that would culminate in winning a world championship but hunter buried him)
3.HBK

Reigns had a great performance in the Rumble which Batista won though; a year later he was seen killing time taking naps during the Rumble ) Austin called him out on it in his podcast and Fans tend to chant "Wake up Roman!" every time he gets gassed and takes a nap lmao but his fitness has improved in recent times

Don't tend to rate Kane at RR much due to not converting them into victories. There have been guys who have dominated far less and yet won more. Kane's just an RR gimmick.

Austin's like by far the biggest badass in RR history. He's dominated and won like a boss.

Roman set the record in his 1st won, and won the next. Thgats pretty legit RR record and if he wins again, he's rightup there considering he has the clean out record as well.

 

[shaz619]

Don't tend to rate Kane at RR much due to not converting them into victories. There have been guys who have dominated far less and yet won more. Kane's just an RR gimmick.

Austin's like by far the biggest badass in RR history. He's dominated and won like a boss.

Roman set the record in his 1st won, and won the next. Thgats pretty legit RR record and if he wins again, he's rightup there considering he has the clean out record as well.

It's kayfabe because at the end of the day you're only going to win if the WWE want you to and irrespective of that, Kane performance in 2001 for me is probably in the top 2 or 3 greatest rumble performances in history. Austin obviously is memorable given that he won as well and both is performances were beastly. Never forget Rey or Benoit either

 

[Bhaijaan]

Oh crap ) I forgot, maybe it will be Reigns. Then who would face Lesnar? Sheamus?....The Rock was supposed to face HHH at mania 32 but he has movie commitments, that would have been epic.

It's also worth noting that Rock has expressed a strong desire to make Reigns look Strong and put him over; he said to Vinny I'd like to do that for you kiss kiss plus the somoan connection and all

The two biggest winners of that era. One left to rule hollywood, the other stayed to take over the WWE empire. Everyone wants to see the re match.



Also, give me Ronda Rousey.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Maybe Sheamus could exchange title immediately with Lesnar with HHH ditching Roman and favouring Lesnar on his come back. Opens up the unfinished account between Roman and Lesnar, giving Roman the perfect push for Rumble.

 

[dashing_man]

) I meant as in did the camera man focus on him? wonder what book it was, looks like it might be one that Jericho has written; great writer

NXT is taped so I don't think so but still Hunter wanted everyone to see this. maybe he wants Full Sail crowd V Foley at Mania

 

[shaz619]

Maybe Sheamus could exchange title immediately with Lesnar with HHH ditching Roman and favouring Lesnar on his come back. Opens up the unfinished account between Roman and Lesnar, giving Roman the perfect push for Rumble.

I doubt Reigns will win the rumble this year given how smarky the audience will be and the controversy of the last event, it's obvious that the crowd will want one of their beloved favourites to win. Bryan I think will return at the Rumble but won't win it, if Seth miraculously recovers in time for the RR am certain he will win and the marking out levels will blow the roof. Imagine Kurt Angle appearing! bah gawd! I think the favourite is going to be Lesnar and he's going to kill everyone in there

 

[shaz619]

NXT is taped so I don't think so but still Hunter wanted everyone to see this. maybe he wants Full Sail crowd V Foley at Mania

) Nothing is better then Batista vs any audience I love him, that guy would literally try to give everyone in the audience that is chanting something he don't like a suplex and punch them up while giving them the finger. I love Dave he's a legend and am sad how he was used in his last run, should never have returned as a face and he has said that a number of times. People also have this misconception of Dave being some kind of brute that looks down on the guys smaller then him but nothing can be further from the truth, I remember when Bryan was starting out his career in the WWE and Batista was on his way out, creative wanted Batista to squash Bryan in under a minute but Dave was like do you even know who this is? Dave was a huge fan of Bryans work and what he had acheived on the indy circuit and the two had a pretty solid match before Batista won and Bryan diidn't look bad in the loss. Another instance was during Mysterio's push and Batista made it his mission to put Rey over, they were great friends and no ego going on; he had a lot of steam as a heel during that point and Batista was like I really want to put Rey over in his home of Mexico and Mysterio defeated him clean that night and it meant even more to Batista. That's the kind of man Dave was and a brilliant A/R talent during the RA era that always proved his doubters wrong, I remember everyone saying his match with Taker is going to be a dud at mania 23 and bah gawd Batista wrestled like a man possessed that night ) it was an epic performance and match of the night for me as much as I loved HBK v Cena

 

[Bhaijaan]

I doubt Reigns will win the rumble this year given how smarky the audience will be and the controversy of the last event, it's obvious that the crowd will want one of their beloved favourites to win. Bryan I think will return at the Rumble but won't win it, if Seth miraculously recovers in time for the RR am certain he will win and the marking out levels will blow the roof. Imagine Kurt Angle appearing! bah gawd! I think the favourite is going to be Lesnar and he's going to kill everyone in there

That sounds pretty legit. But its disaster for anyone holding the title. Don't wanna see Reigns being in that place at all.

Also not sure about writing off Sheamus altogether. Its been a long time coming.

 

[dashing_man]

) Nothing is better then Batista vs any audience I love him, that guy would literally try to give everyone in the audience that is chanting something he don't like a suplex and punch them up while giving them the finger. I love Dave he's a legend and am sad how he was used in his last run, should never have returned as a face and he has said that a number of times. People also have this misconception of Dave being some kind of brute that looks down on the guys smaller then him but nothing can be further from the truth, I remember when Bryan was starting out his career in the WWE and Batista was on his way out, creative wanted Batista to squash Bryan in under a minute but Dave was like do you even know who this is? Dave was a huge fan of Bryans work and what he had acheived on the indy circuit and the two had a pretty solid match before Batista won and Bryan diidn't look bad in the loss. Another instance was during Mysterio's push and Batista made it his mission to put Rey over, they were great friends and no ego going on; he had a lot of steam as a heel during that point and Batista was like I really want to put Rey over in his home of Mexico and Mysterio defeated him clean that night and it meant even more to Batista. That's the kind of man Dave was and a brilliant A/R talent during the RA era that always proved his doubters wrong, I remember everyone saying his match with Taker is going to be a dud at mania 23 and bah gawd Batista wrestled like a man possessed that night ) it was an epic performance and match of the night for me as much as I loved HBK v Cena

I have so much respect for Dave as a wrestler and a human being. His second coming was him helping the WWE. He asked for an extension when found out about Evolution reunion. Dave never really did a squash match even when he was supposed to. He had a very good match against debut Dolph Ziggler if you recall.
I hope we get to see him some more, his interactions with the crowd always have me in laughs I heard he even smashed one fan after winning the Royal Rumble )

PS: You should have this as your avi )

 

[shaz619]

That sounds pretty legit. But its disaster for anyone holding the title. Don't wanna see Reigns being in that place at all.

Also not sure about writing off Sheamus altogether. Its been a long time coming.

Reigns won't be in the Rumble imo he will probably defeat Sheamus at the RR PPV to win the belt but then again you'd think he gets his big moment at mania but they don't neccesarily have to go that way and a succesful defence against Lesnar in the main-event would still be huge.

I don't know, they booked sheamus like a jobber during the entire time he had the breifcase and now just put the belt on him; i don't have anything against him but feel like he doesn't have creatives backing even with Hunter as his buddy.

 

[shaz619]

I have so much respect for Dave as a wrestler and a human being. His second coming was him helping the WWE. He asked for an extension when found out about Evolution reunion. Dave never really did a squash match even when he was supposed to. He had a very good match against debut Dolph Ziggler if you recall.
I hope we get to see him some more, his interactions with the crowd always have me in laughs I heard he even smashed one fan after winning the Royal Rumble )

PS: You should have this as your avi )

Yeah it was on smackdown! enjoyed that match and Batista's stamina was beginning to improve to, his heel work was brilliant! rarely do we get to see a good old fashioned heel go to work but his mannerisms in the ring were spot on. Evolution reuniting was epic and the beat down, I hate how the crowd never reacted much to it; was probably because it was mostly casuals. I don't think he smashed any one otherwise they would have sued him but he was really giving it to them though )

) aren't you entertained! am paying tribute to the phenom though

 

[Bhaijaan]

Interesting times ahead, lets see how far Sheamus takes this. He was the original Cena 2 back in the babyface days.

 

[shaz619]

Interesting times ahead, lets see how far Sheamus takes this. He was the original Cena 2 back in the babyface days.

I hated when they did that to him, I felt like he was being raped. Sheamus best run was when he first showed up in the WWE as a maniacle heel

 

[Bhaijaan]

Dave's Hollywood career is picking up though. Guardians of Galaxy, Spectre. Some big projects.

 

[dashing_man]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] have you been following this rivalry on Youtube.

Miz and Xavier got in a fight and then Miz told Xavier that no one can ever beat him in Street Fighter 2 Championship. Just watch the video, we have a full house dammit )

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] have you been following this rivalry on Youtube.

Miz and Xavier got in a fight and then Miz told Xavier that no one can ever beat him in Street Fighter 2 Championship. Just watch the video, we have a full house dammit )

) ) ) Why on earth don't they have content like this on the Network? hilarious video and no one is going to beat Xavier at video games the only one who could is Shelton Benjamin; he's a video game nerd to. Bray Wyatt at the back there KO was having his lunch or something, I think it's not on the network because they are all kinda breaking character

 

[dashing_man]

) ) ) Why on earth don't they have content like this on the Network? hilarious video and no one is going to beat Xavier at video games the only one who could is Shelton Benjamin; he's a video game nerd to. Bray Wyatt at the back there KO was having his lunch or something, I think it's not on the network because they are all kinda breaking character

Straumen was also there. And this is related to WWE, they sold their merchandise at their shop.

As fun as this was, I didn't like Bray and Straumen breaking Kayfabe. Others makes sense since they have a similar character. Also Big E came in the end, should have come sooner

 

[shaz619]

Straumen was also there. And this is related to WWE, they sold their merchandise at their shop.

As fun as this was, I didn't like Bray and Straumen breaking Kayfabe. Others makes sense since they have a similar character. Also Big E came in the end, should have come sooner

kayfabe is dead anyway

 

[dashing_man]

kayfabe is dead anyway

yeah it is thanks to the social media but still The Wyatts are going to be the successor of the Dark side. They shouldn't have done that. Taker wouldn't have done that if he was in his place

 

[shaz619]

yeah it is thanks to the social media but still The Wyatts are going to be the successor of the Dark side. They shouldn't have done that. Taker wouldn't have done that if he was in his place

Not just social media, its many factors for a long time now. But agree Wyatt should protect his character, you know what I don't even want to talk about him am tired of watching him get buried so badly....you say aah don't complain enjoy what you see are you telling me you're a happy with the way they are handling Wyatt? and you can hate on Punk but it is because of him standing up to creative which lead to his main-event push....good nice guys who just listen like Wyatt get buried

 

[dashing_man]

Not just social media, its many factors for a long time now. But agree Wyatt should protect his character, you know what I don't even want to talk about him am tired of watching him get buried so badly....you say aah don't complain enjoy what you see are you telling me you're a happy with the way they are handling Wyatt? and you can hate on Punk but it is because of him standing up to creative which lead to his main-event push....good nice guys who just listen like Wyatt get buried

yeah it has been terrible. Creative are full of crap. Both face and heel are built parallel. They have been building Reigns but at the same time doing nothing for heels.

I did wanted BODs to go over at SS only because of the occassion. Again poor planning by creatives. If they really wanted to book this match then why not build a storyline from Summer Slam.
Brock V Taker at HIAC was awesome but that didn't need to happen. It could have easily be Wyatts going over and then Kane coming back to save his brother at SS

 

[shaz619]

yeah it has been terrible. Creative are full of crap. Both face and heel are built parallel. They have been building Reigns but at the same time doing nothing for heels.

I did wanted BODs to go over at SS only because of the occassion. Again poor planning by creatives. If they really wanted to book this match then why not build a storyline from Summer Slam.
Brock V Taker at HIAC was awesome but that didn't need to happen. It could have easily be Wyatts going over and then Kane coming back to save his brother at SS

They should have found some other jobbers and not the Wyatt family, it's depressing because Bray is a hall of fame level talent; and he does all that is asked of him as well. Am afraid he has to do a CM Punk and test his value to the WWE or remain buried

 

[shaz619]

Just watched Reigns v Russev because I knew Russev was going to make it an entertaining match and play around Reigns improved arsenal even if it is a little limited the selling is great. And man! Russev didn't disappoint once again! he is the most unique big guy I've seen in recent times with a unique move-set, you never see a 300lb pull of all those kicks and diving attacks from the top rope absolutely love his super kick to even more then the spinning heel kick; it's the fact that it has 300 pounds of force behind it which makes it even more devastating; they should let him use that as an actual finisher. I hope they push Russev as a main-event level heel at point; he's beyond your average foreign bad guy. Also Reigns was very over with the audience and it's like that at majority of RAW shows where he has the support of 80% of the fans, it's only when WWE visit smark citys where the balance changes a bit but he has the support of the majority, obviously WWE are behind him and are doing all their can to back him but you have to give him credit to for picking up the ball and running with it; still a work in progress though but he has made improvements over the past 12 months

 

[shaz619]

I also liked Reigns display of aggression at the end of RAW; we need more of that. He isn't as big as Batista use to be but can be just as menacing if creative use their brains and cut all the goofy crap but they have limited it in comparison to last year

 

[dashing_man]

I also liked Reigns display of aggression at the end of RAW; we need more of that. He isn't as big as Batista use to be but can be just as menacing if creative use their brains and cut all the goofy crap but they have limited it in comparison to last year

past few RAWs have been enjoyable to watch tbh. Its just the majority who is watching the product are anti-reigns and that's why the ratings are dropping

I wish these SMARKS did this when Cena was Champion

 

[shaz619]

past few RAWs have been enjoyable to watch tbh. Its just the majority who is watching the product are anti-reigns and that's why the ratings are dropping

I wish these SMARKS did this when Cena was Champion

They haven't been enjoyable, like I said the good stuff we praise and the bad stuff criticise. RAW as a whole is a god awful product, I skipped through majority of the show you can never sit through 3 hours and watch that. Cena got a lot of stick when he became a goofy babyfaces that never lost and was extremely protected but as the years went by he improved incredibly in the ring and the mic work was always strong so they became a little quiet; mostly are just sick of his gimmick and having to put up with the same old crap for 10 years. As an individual performer though Cena is very very good; Reigns is no where near Cena's level but WWE are desperately trying to copy and paste Cena's gimmick onto him and he's already getting over with the casuals. WWE risk alientating the fanbase even more if they give Roman a similar gimmick to Cena, Reigns should have his own identity and creative should think of something refreshing instead of giving the fans the same old rubbish; Reigns should be a silent bad-asss that kills everyone and is always aggressive, doesn't need to talk much and when he does keep his lines short; I liked what I saw on RAW but they are probably just having him do that to tease the TLC match with sheamus unfortunately

 

[dashing_man]

[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] is there an I QUIT match that we don't know about

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Mick Foley's frustruated at wwe creative and this could be his final RAW. And honestly so am I. The product is BS with Sheamus and Reigns headlining.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] is there an I QUIT match that we don't know about

what you on about

 

[shaz619]

Mick Foley's frustruated at wwe creative and this could be his final RAW. And honestly so am I. The product is BS with Sheamus and Reigns headlining.

I say the same but I can't help it and we all come back or tune in on some level. This thread is a great example of how passionate fans are for the WWE; it was the most posted on pakpassion before the old one got deleted

 

[dashing_man]

what you on about

check his avi

 

[shaz619]

check his avi

you watched jessica jones yet

 

[dashing_man]

you watched jessica jones yet

Haven't got the time yet

 

[Aman]

You may as well call it a night now [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], Raw is going to be trash as usual.

 

[Aman]

Dave's Hollywood career is picking up though. Guardians of Galaxy, Spectre. Some big projects.

He only said one word in Spectre =\

 

[Aman]

The biggest problem with the WWE today is that it's so predictable.

You know what you're going to get from start to finish and the outcome of each match...

The magic and the feeling of the unknown is no longer there.
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] did you read about Ambrose calling Sheamus out before last weeks raw for a street fight

God I would actually watch that, unsurprisingly the WWE never pushed it any further.

 

[Aman]

"I was putting ice on my swollen head. I was just giving the ring to my brother after a war, you know? It was a sabotage! It was a hit! It just happened. But that's the thing, man. I was just talking about this: These briefcases are ruining the tradition of our industry. What would Jack Briscoe, Dory Funk... you think Dory Funk Jr. ever cashed in a briefcase on somebody? This is not how men won championships. This is not the foundation that our business was built on. Pat Patterson battled through 16 men on one hot, sweaty night in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to become the Intercontinental champion. He was backstage last night, probably with a tear in his eye, probably disgusted that a man would just jump a man who had already wrestled twice that night and sabotaged his way to a championship. How can you be proud of that? How can you be proud? These briefcases... I hate the whole briefcase thing. This man is not a champion, a man's champion of men, this Irish punk.

What I have done -- this has nothing to do with the WWE championship, this is a matter of principle. This is a matter of righting a wrong. When I see Pat Patterson in tears that his business has been reduced to men cashing in briefcases, I feel like I have to do something. So I have challenged Sheamus tonight at 2 p.m. in the parking lot of the Bridgestone Arena. Get your tickets to Monday Night Raw but show up early. I will be in the parking lot of Bridgestone Arena at 2 p.m. People of Nashville, spread the word!"

What a promo (unfortunately it was done on a podcast)

This is what a talent like Ambrose can do when he's allowed to talk for himself.

 

[shaz619]

You may as well call it a night now [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], Raw is going to be trash as usual.

He only said one word in Spectre =\

The biggest problem with the WWE today is that it's so predictable.

You know what you're going to get from start to finish and the outcome of each match...

The magic and the feeling of the unknown is no longer there.
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] did you read about Ambrose calling Sheamus out before last weeks raw for a street fight

God I would actually watch that, unsurprisingly the WWE never pushed it any further.

What a promo (unfortunately it was done on a podcast)

This is what a talent like Ambrose can do when he's allowed to talk for himself.

I just happened to be awake given that I was fixing my cv I never stay up for RAW; I'd have to be insane.

And Batista was a henchman in spectre; certain roles have different demands and he has delivered on all fronts irrespective of what was given to him. He displayed great versatility in Guardians; the world is his oyster and many directors have expressed their intention to work with him because not every day do they find a big guy that can act.

Predictable is not always a bad thing when you look at how long storylines pan out and give us the inevitable pay off; it's all about basic logical booking irrespective of what creative do you just need to make sense but the product they put out insults the intelligence of the viewer.

Yep, we've not seen 30% of what Ambrose is capable off; you should check out his matches and promos for CZW.

Just tuned into to RAW now, Reigns has to apparently beat sheamus in under 5 mins to win the WWE title; I think it's another device being used in an attempt to gain more sympathy for Reigns when he is screwed once again even though beating a WWE champion in under 5 minutes is unusual; would be a shock if Reigns won here but it would be WWE tapping out given the backlash from the smarks..