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[VIDEOS] Babar Azam's inability to play spin is a matter of concern

MenInG said:
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Babar doesn't have a glaring weakness in ODIs. He's good all-round.
 
Improving all the time. Has developed to up the ante after settling in to a good degree.
 
I have always maintained he has scored runs against all spinners. Only time he looked a bit vulnerable was when he came back from injury in the SA series and posters went after him without knowing the facts that he was rusty due to lack of batting practise.
 
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Does this memorable century put those criticisms to rest?
 
Quality knock against a very good left arm spinner with his tail up. This and the Karachi knock probably show that he’s improved a fair bit against spin and is now probably up there with the best on current form
 
What an innings in these conditions. He has now played two all time great innings against spin bowling in 2 consecutive test series.

As there are many Kohli references in the thread, Kohli has no innings that even come close to these two innings against spin bowling.
 
Mamoon said:
A mentally weak player thriving in a team where he is under no pressure. Even if he fails for 10 consecutive innings he will still get pampered by the fans because he is so much better than everyone else in the team.

They will talk about his cover drive all day when he has one only 1 Test hundred outside Asia.

If he was playing in a team where had competition and pressure to keep his spot he would melt like candle.

He is off my good books now. Needs to learn to value his wicket and improve his mentality to get back into my good books. I have no time for mental midgets.

Watch him score his usual 60 (40) in the T20Is against South Africa with the fans drooling over how pretty his cover driver looks.

He is several notches below the top batsmen in the world and our fans were calling him the best batsman in the world.

Pakistani fans, never change.
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I hope you still have your books.

What a bad cricket analyst you are. Hats off to you for nearly always being wrong.
 
Mobashir said:
I hope you still have your books.

What a bad cricket analyst you are. Hats off to you for nearly always being wrong.
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According to him everyone from Pakistan is mentally weak and from India they are mentally strong. I have lost count of the amount of times he’s been proved wrong. My favourite Ashwin better then Imran lol. Just that alone shows how much he knows about cricket or how much he hates Pakistan.
 
PakPremi said:
I have always maintained he has scored runs against all spinners. Only time he looked a bit vulnerable was when he came back from injury in the SA series and posters went after him without knowing the facts that he was rusty due to lack of batting practise.
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Anyone need more proof?
 
Mobashir said:
What an innings in these conditions. He has now played two all time great innings against spin bowling in 2 consecutive test series.

As there are many Kohli references in the thread, Kohli has no innings that even come close to these two innings against spin bowling.
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Here we go, lol. Your obsession with putting down Kohli never ends.

Kohli at his peak was twice the batter Babar is vs spin, lol at this being an ATG innings against Lanka.

The bar of ATG innings goes so low when it comes to Babar and Pakistan is actually on the backfoot as of now vs sl.

Also for your reference, look at Kohli’s century vs Swann and Panesar in Indian conditions when all the top 4 failed.

Kohli averages 60+ in Indian conditions, the same pitches you call bunsen burners.

The thing with Babar is all players around him are clueless vs spin, with Kohli we had Pujara, Sharma, Vijay who were all great vs spin.
 
I am in the camp that Babar is pretty average in playing spin and I only saw his innings from 60 onwards today. What I saw was pleasing and an improvement but we need more evidence. Babar is at least 4 100s behind at this stage of his career relative to his talent and matches he has played.
 
Mobashir said:
What an innings in these conditions. He has now played two all time great innings against spin bowling in 2 consecutive test series.

As there are many Kohli references in the thread, Kohli has no innings that even come close to these two innings against spin bowling.
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Also what's the second innings that you are talking about?
Don’t tell me it's the 190 on that flattie, that was a great innings on a flat deck, Kohli has 10s of innings like that.
 
Mobashir said:
What an innings in these conditions. He has now played two all time great innings against spin bowling in 2 consecutive test series.

As there are many Kohli references in the thread, Kohli has no innings that even come close to these two innings against spin bowling.
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Kohi scored double tons for fun on spin tracks.
This pitch is not a difficult one.
 
It's not always just the pitch, the match situation matters as well, when all your batsmen have returned without scoring much and the opposition is bowling well and piling huge pressure on you then inning such as this is a great inning, especially when you do not much scoring done from the other side to return the pressure on the opposition.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Kohi scored double tons for fun on spin tracks.
This pitch is not a difficult one.
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Really?
Maybe I missed those days when Kohli had fun on spinning tracks. Can you maybe share the scoreboards of those fun days?

Or easier and better, Stop making stories, Kohli has failed so much in big series against spin.
Root and Smith have dominated him even in India.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Also what's the second innings that you are talking about?
Don’t tell me it's the 190 on that flattie, that was a great innings on a flat deck, Kohli has 10s of innings like that.
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That was surely a top 3 innings of the century in draw matches.
Never has Kohli played half as well so save a match.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Here we go, lol. Your obsession with putting down Kohli never ends.

Kohli at his peak was twice the batter Babar is vs spin, lol at this being an ATG innings against Lanka.

The bar of ATG innings goes so low when it comes to Babar and Pakistan is actually on the backfoot as of now vs sl.

Also for your reference, look at Kohli’s century vs Swann and Panesar in Indian conditions when all the top 4 failed.

Kohli averages 60+ in Indian conditions, the same pitches you call bunsen burners.

The thing with Babar is all players around him are clueless vs spin, with Kohli we had Pujara, Sharma, Vijay who were all great vs spin.
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You really think that kohl's innings was better than Bahar 's?
Result
England vs India, 4th Test
England tour of India

ENG 330 & 352/4d
INDIA 326/9d
Match drawn

Click here to view more @espncricinfo :
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...vs-england-4th-test-565809/live-cricket-score

That nagpur innings?
 
Mobashir said:
That was surely a top 3 innings of the century in draw matches.
Never has Kohli played half as well so save a match.
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That was an ultra flattie, Kohli has won matches on those type of pitches, why should he draw matches when he can win em.
 
Mobashir said:
Really?
Maybe I missed those days when Kohli had fun on spinning tracks. Can you maybe share the scoreboards of those fun days?

Or easier and better, Stop making stories, Kohli has failed so much in big series against spin.
Root and Smith have dominated him even in India.
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Hogwash.
Smith definitely did way better in that 2016 series where Kohli totally failed.
But Root? No.

Kohli outscored Root in Indian in 2016, in 2021 Root did well in the first match which again was a flat deck and failed in all the other 3 matches when ball was spinning from day one, he did do zilch after the first match.

Even in 2013, Kohli and root played one match together and Kohli outscored him, so much for getting dominated.

Also if you want to look for big series, go check aus tour of ind in 2012.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Even Chandimal playing on so called spin track.
Playing with better SR than Babar
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Well, it is a spinning track. Lankan spinners wouldn't have 9/10 1st inning wickets otherwise.

It's obvious you didn't watch the game though. It was far tougher yesterday (moisture from rain probably played a role).

It eased out today but still very good for spin. Allrounder Nawaz picked a 5fer. Part timer Agha was turning it square. It's just that Yasir is so beyond washed up, that facing him on any surface is easy these days.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Even Chandimal playing on so called spin track.
Playing with better SR than Babar
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Chandimal is batting brilliantly and he has proved over his career how good a batsman he is when he is batting with the tail.

Then, Babar is still better so far, as the conditions were harder. But to know this you have to watch the match, something you probably didn't do.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Even Chandimal playing on so called spin track.
Playing with better SR than Babar
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"This knock, in isolation, ranks as one of the best any Pakistan batter has ever played. When considering this was Babar’s first Test innings in Sri Lanka, it becomes even more special. Following on just three innings after his majestic 196 against Australia, saving the Karachi Test, it demonstrates how he has made the spectacular routine."

Babar Azam became the quickest Asian batter to 10,000 international runs during his Galle knock, with the supreme century the clearest confirmation yet that he occupies the very highest plane, writes Shashwat Kumar.

Wisden cricket.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Hogwash.
Smith definitely did way better in that 2016 series where Kohli totally failed.
But Root? No.

Kohli outscored Root in Indian in 2016, in 2021 Root did well in the first match which again was a flat deck and failed in all the other 3 matches when ball was spinning from day one, he did do zilch after the first match.

Even in 2013, Kohli and root played one match together and Kohli outscored him, so much for getting dominated.

Also if you want to look for big series, go check aus tour of ind in 2012.
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Why haven't you answered, was Kohli's Nagpur innings better than Babar's innings?
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Even Chandimal playing on so called spin track.
Playing with better SR than Babar
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He is playing in home condition and SriLanka situation was better than Pakistan's when Babar came to bat. Also Pak pace leader Shaheen hardly bowled due to knock.
 
PakPremi said:
He is playing in home condition and SriLanka situation was better than Pakistan's when Babar came to bat. Also Pak pace leader Shaheen hardly bowled due to knock.
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Home pitch advantage is very minimal in subcontinent.
As I said earlier this is a flat track.
 
Babar's dismissal

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MenInG said:
Babar's dismissal

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Think this was more down to error of judgment than an inability to play spin. He was lazy not covering the line of the ball, and the ball also came back much sharply than he expected it to.
 
It was a freak dismissal.

Shame. Because he looked in total control. I'd argue tho he became a bit too comfortable.
 
He really needs to develop a controlled sweep shot

Younis Khan was the master of this.
 
He'll be disappointed with today's dismissal.

Could have padded it up, swept it, instead he did nothing.

Seemed confused as to what to do which was surprising.
 
MenInG said:
Babar's dismissal

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Bowler deserves credit.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Even Chandimal playing on so called spin track.
Playing with better SR than Babar
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There's a big difference when you bat with number eleven for most of your inngs.

And it's test cricket, you have 5 days so SR is clearly not the priority here
 
Failed to spot a googly from Adil! At this level?
 
MenInG said:
Failed to spot a googly from Adil! At this level?
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Very poor from Babar

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Crazy that the entire Sky pre-game lineup were all discussing exactly this, and during the match too. The weaknesses are that obvious.
 
Firebat said:
Crazy that the entire Sky pre-game lineup were all discussing exactly this, and during the match too. The weaknesses are that obvious.
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Even in star sports.
Comparing Babar vs Adil Rashid.
And he took Babar wicket immediately. Lol
 
I don't think he can read Adil Rashid at all.

Looks like a walking wicket against him.
 
Pakistan needs Babar the batsman. He should not be captain.
 
Gone to Mohammad Nawaz in PSL!

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He hasnt improved at all against spin , if anything he has worsened. One would think that a top player like him would do something about it, develop sweep shots or use his feet more but he is stuck at crease.
 
Its a recent problem he has developed.. used to be decent against spinners.. he surely has to overcome this problem before ODI worldcup in India..

Probably Inzimam has his work cut out here.. should do the needful to help babar improve against spinners
 
MenInG said:
Gone to Mohammad Nawaz in PSL!

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I mean to Mohammad Nawaz who went for 47 runs in 3.3 overs - his only success was Babar!
 
MenInG said:
I mean to Mohammad Nawaz who went for 47 runs in 3.3 overs - his only success was Babar!
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It seemed to me that he was too casual. It happens sometimes in middle overs when batsmen are just trying to rotate strike. Doesn't seem like a problem to me. I don't think he would have gotten out on this ball if Nawaz bowled in powerplay.
 
Spinners have got his number too many times now.

He is batting like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders.

I think he should announce his intention to rest from T20is and just focus on smashing bowlers in T20 to get his confidence back in this format.

Too much pressure is just weighing down any potential performance.

He needs to see a shrink in the meantime so he can learn how to let go.
 
Rana said:
Not a T20 batsman
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but he also gets out like that in Tests too - there is a fundamental weakness which needs to be addressed by the player and Pakistan coaching staff.
 
MenInG said:
but he also gets out like that in Tests too - there is a fundamental weakness which needs to be addressed by the player and Pakistan coaching staff.
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He still has time in Test to wait for the bad ball

Babar batted well against Jack Leach recently
 
Look lets be honest about it

BA is my favourite batter - but it hurts me when he struggles vs spinners; The fluency just isn't there.
 
MenInG said:
Look lets be honest about it

BA is my favourite batter - but it hurts me when he struggles vs spinners; The fluency just isn't there.
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He didnt develop a reverse sweep, lap shot or ram against spinners whilst playing for nearly 7 years at top level. His only release shots against spinners are the cut, dance down the track and the odd slog sweep
 
Rana said:
He didnt develop a reverse sweep, lap shot or ram against spinners whilst playing for nearly 7 years at top level. His only release shots against spinners are the cut, dance down the track and the odd slog sweep
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This kinda backfoot shot, where he tries to flick the ball to the legside - seems to cause him issues as he misses out and gets lbw a lot?
 
MenInG said:
This kinda backfoot shot, where he tries to flick the ball to the legside - seems to cause him issues as he misses out and gets lbw a lot?
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Not able to judge lengths properly. It is a separate art against spinners
 
Struggles continuing? Out to Rashid today

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Good rest for him

Don’t think 3 matches against Rashid Khan would have done his international form any good
 
He doesn’t play quality spin very well

Needs to back the basics instead of coming across the line when he plays spin

Good job they resting him afghan spinners in the middle east
 
Kohli williamson root all are excellent players of spin , babar azam is nowhere near them when playing spin. Cant read of the hand well.
 
Googly issues for Babar.

Seems to be struggling to read the wrong one.
 
Saj said:
Googly issues for Babar.

Seems to be struggling to read the wrong one.
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Na it’s just Rashid owns him.

Rashid can clear out his pockets and you will find keys and Babar Azam in there
 
A bit of a struggle for Babar with spin against NZ bowlers - let's see if he can get through this period
 
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