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Is it the right decision to re-appoint Babar Azam as white-ball captain?

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Rana said:
It’s plain and simple

Those 6-7 players I listed above need to take an oath they will not play under Babar. I wouldn’t rule this out, it has happened in the past in Pakistan cricket.
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Almost all of these guys are either fans of Babar or look up to him. Good luck getting them to turn against him :klopp

Even Shaheen is a loyal and honest person. He’s supported Babar even when the world was turning against him.
 
Rana said:
It’s Babar’s fault. He bottled the Test captaincy job against Australia away and now wants to come back against Bangladesh?
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PCB wanted him to be the fall out guy for the whitewash and wanted to protect Masood. He was well within his rights to not comply.

Also, don’t worry. He won’t be back as Test captain for 12 months.
 
The most Vela cricket board at the moment.

Always ready for a meeting at the time of adversity
 
On one hand, Shaheen should not have been appointed captain at his age & lack of experience. On the other hand, Babar should not be appointed captain after his last stint & lack of believability/conviction as a captain.
 
Rana said:
It’s plain and simple

Those 6-7 players I listed above need to take an oath they will not play under Babar. I wouldn’t rule this out, it has happened in the past in Pakistan cricket.
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Babar isn't an insane personality like Younis Khan that the players would need to resort to this. And can't believe you're advocating such a thing just because of your hate for Babar.
 
daytrader said:
Babar isn't an insane personality like Younis Khan that the players would need to resort to this. And can't believe you're advocating such a thing just because of your hate for Babar.
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Were Waqar or Wasim insane personalities?

It’s Pakistan cricket. Never say never
 
Rana said:
Were Waqar or Wasim insane personalities?

It’s Pakistan cricket. Never say never
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So you wanna wish for the worst on Pakistan cricket just because you didn't get your way over something you have no control of? I dunno about waqar and wasim bro but please get your sanity checked
 
daytrader said:
So you wanna wish for the worst on Pakistan cricket just because you didn't get your way over something you have no control of? I dunno about waqar and wasim bro but please get your sanity checked
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Not me.

I’m just saying…things like this have happened in the past. At least Shaheen now knows Imad Wasim was always right.
 
Rana said:
Bhai pehle Uganda wali situation clarify karo. Are you sure Babar never scored a hundred against Uganda?
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Babar wasn't being made a captain. Let that be a lesson for you. Humiliation of the highest order.
 
Although I am lost for words at this circus (Shaheen should not have been appointed in the first place, and if appointed, he should have been given a longer rope than one t20i series). Ideally a new captain should have been appointed who was a constant presence in the team and had good tactical nous as we already know what we are going to get from Babar as captain.

The crux of all this mess is the idiotic cricket board, which whilst appointed as interim/adhoc, liked to bully everyone telling them I can do whatever I want to, I will make as many critical changes I want to just because I have the power. I know I am only here for a few months, instead of acting as a bridge and providing stability to the team, I want to play god and make any decision I please. The pathetic ways of the two previous interim boards is the one that has caused all this circus and it will continue. Don't know how long Naqvi will stay for, the next head will make another series of changes regardless of how long his tenure will be for. It's a circus and Pakistan is a laughing stock.

Ramiz Raja - clown number 1 for introducing a "Pakistan needs marketable faces not team performance" and his cluster of stupid decisions leading Pak team down

Najam Sethi - clown number 2 for appointing Zoom coaches and offering them multiyear contracts.

Zaka Ashraf - clown in chief. for going one step further by making even more critical decisions that directly affected the working and dynamics of the team whilst fully knowing he was only appointed as an interim for a few months.

Mohsin Naqvi - the clown in charge right now who is continuing the show without knowing how long he'll be in the job for.

Pakistan Cricket and Pakistan in a nutshell for everyone.
 
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JaDed said:
Most Pakistani cricketers have always thought they are above the team, honestly thats a south Asian problem but PCB enables it.
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There is a God Syndrome in our country that affects every person with slightest hint of power. When they assume some power, they like to abuse their powers and throw around their weight just to show it. It starts from the top and trickles down to the very bottom.
 
mominsaigol said:
@Rana @topspin

You guys may have been right about inside connections.

Chalo khair, time to support Australia again. I already claimed my allegiance that I would never support anything under the misbah/ babar clique.

Feel bad for imad and Amir but I can't support em, must stay true to my word.

Australia zindabad.
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Dr_Bassim said:
So you admit that Babar is bigger than PCB.

Not a good sign.

However, he is not the best ever cricketer from Pakistan, you are quite wrong on this one.

And its also clear from your posts, you have sinister inside knowledge about Babar and his think tank.

I am going to agree with @Rana finally that you have vested interests in portraying the image of Babar as you have some steak in this pot.

I hate accusing anyone but its clear as daylight now Babar is bigger than PCB.
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We have to give full credit to our brother @Rana

He was the one who figured this out and was also the first to make this apparent.

As I said to Rana yesterday, once Mamoon started revealing details of what was going to happen over the last day or so, it became rather obvious that not only did he know what was going to happen but I'm sure he also played his part leading up to this end result.

What I also found rather interesting is that he also revealed that Babar and Asad Shafiq advised Naqvi to replace Shan Masood.

At least, we all now know who's the sworn enemy of Pakistan cricket.
 
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Babar fans don’t care about winning. All they is stats. As long as Babar score 50 or 100 it matters.
 
There is currently a rift between Shaheen and Babar for the captaincy. Sacking Shaheen as T20I captain was indeed foolish, trust me, it was a highly unprofessional act. If he fails in the upcoming T20 World Cup, then they would have a reason to justify sacking him as captain. And if they are evaluating Shaheen's captaincy from PSL 9, then remember, Shaheen has two trophies in his bag while Babar has none.
 
It’s poor to reappoint him. You have to back a guy once you give him a chance. However I knew this was a possibility, Shaheen is too young, a fast bowler and prone to injuries. It makes him a bad candidate for captaincy, when he should at this point be focusing on his career.

Imad or Rizwan should have been made captain, depending on which direction you want to go in. Babar and Shaheen are both far too crucial to mess up too, if either’s form is affected because of this it will be a nightmare for us.
 
A few posts on twitter

If Virat Kohli was offered captaincy by India he would have enough self-respect to turn it down because he isn’t power hungry. Wish Babar Azam did the same. #PakistanCricket

Babar Azam should be ashamed of himself for damaging Pakistan Cricket. For Last 6 months, he was doing politics to regain his captaincy. Even his father & Family members involved in fights with Fans after Babar lost his Captaincy.
Babar Azam is worst thing happened to Pakistan.
 
topspin said:
We have to give full credit to our brother @Rana

He was the one who figured this out and was also the first to make this apparent.

As I said to Rana yesterday, once Mamoon started revealing details of what was going to happen over the last day or so, it became rather obvious that not only did he know what was going to happen but I'm sure he also played his part leading up to this end result.

What I also found rather interesting is that he also revealed that Babar and Asad Shafiq advised Naqvi to replace Shan Masood.

At least, we all now know who's the sworn enemy of Pakistan cricket.
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Ik, it was obvious.

Mamoon didn't become a prediction guru overnight.

The same way I wasn't a prediction guru, during the World Cup warmup match when I said I would predict how Australia would troll Pakistan left and right?

It's because before the world cup when I visited SCG I got the no from the people who worked at the stadium, He gave me inside knowledge that Australia didn't take Pakistan seriously so in the warmup they'd bowl and troll and let Pakistan get close 😂 only to smatch it away.

They were confident cause aussies view as a minnow, they felt they'd beat us even with Warner and Smith bowling, Babar azam is a nobody in Sydney.

So when anyone makes a pitch perfect accurate prediction of events like I did, they usually have inside knowledge
 
Rana said:
I don’t think he is, Kane does his job at number 3 properly. Babar doesnt as an opener

Kirsten will be the T20/white ball coach and Gillespie red ball
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Babar has been playing one down in recent times.

I reckon Saim and Babar will will be resuming their Zalmi opening partnership.

I personally would go with Saim and Fakhar and Babar at 3.
 
topspin said:
We have to give full credit to our brother @Rana

He was the one who figured this out and was also the first to make this apparent.

As I said to Rana yesterday, once Mamoon started revealing details of what was going to happen over the last day or so, it became rather obvious that not only did he know what was going to happen but I'm sure he also played his part leading up to this end result.

What I also found rather interesting is that he also revealed that Babar and Asad Shafiq advised Naqvi to replace Shan Masood.

At least, we all now know who's the sworn enemy of Pakistan cricket.
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I wasn’t aware that I am a consultant for the PCB who ask for my approval before taking decisions.

You lot are so rattled by my ability to foresee things and putting 2+2 together that you have cooked up a whole story of how I have connections with Zalmi and Babar and have a part to play in him becoming captain again.
 
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@Mamoon to be fair, no one could had predicted Babar being reappointed. There is no way, i wonder what were the odds of that. You should had played a bet on it.

Can someone research the odds on this?
 
Major said:
@Mamoon to be fair, no one could had predicted Babar being reappointed. There is no way, i wonder what were the odds of that. You should had played a bet on it.

Can someone research the odds on this?
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I don’t bet, it is haraam.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that I have made many great predictions over the years and this is one of them.

Yes I have not always been right, and I have said a few things that have turned out to be the complete opposite, but I have been correct more frequently than others and I have a knack for having the last laugh.
 
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Mamoon said:
I don’t bet, it is haraam. Although the way I have tortured a few posters on this forum over the last few days can’t be halal either.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that I have made many great predictions over the years and this is one of them.

Yes I have not always been right, and I have said a few things that have turned out to be the complete opposite, but I have been correct more frequently than others and I have a knack for having the last laugh.

This is why people should seek my counsel and take advantage of my wisdom because nothing lasts forever and neither will my services to this forum.
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Wow Mamoon taking his gloves off here.
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t bet, it is haraam. Although the way I have tortured a few posters on this forum over the last few days can’t be halal either.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that I have made many great predictions over the years and this is one of them.

Yes I have not always been right, and I have said a few things that have turned out to be the complete opposite, but I have been correct more frequently than others and I have a knack for having the last laugh.

This is why people should seek my counsel and take advantage of my wisdom because nothing lasts forever and neither will my services to this forum.
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I think this Babar returning as captain goes down as the best prediction. The odds should be same as Leicester winning the premier league.
 
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Mamoon said:
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I wasn’t aware that I am a consultant for the PCB who ask for my approval before taking decisions.

You lot are so rattled by my ability to foresee things and putting 2+2 together that you have cooked up a whole story of how I have connections with Zalmi and Babar and have a part to play in him becoming captain again.
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I have to agree with you on this, dawg. This is entering cuckoo land of conspiracy theories. And surprising to see this from topspin, one of the best posters on PP. Maybe he is extremely upset over the Babar news understandably and thats clouding his judgement.
 
PCB soap opera spicier and longer running than Days of Our Lives. Twist after twist after twist. I can’t keep up.
 
cricketcricket79 said:
Wow Mamoon taking his gloves off here.
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I have been forced to. I have been reading so much nonsense over the last few days about how I’m on someone’s payroll to promote Babar on this forum and have somehow a say in what Babar’s becoming a captain.

My goodness. How can people come up with such nonsense. Some people have truly lost their minds because of the shock and horror of what has unfolded before their eyes.
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t bet, it is haraam. Although the way I have tortured a few posters on this forum over the last few days can’t be halal either.

You have been on this forum long enough to know that I have made many great predictions over the years and this is one of them.

Yes I have not always been right, and I have said a few things that have turned out to be the complete opposite, but I have been correct more frequently than others and I have a knack for having the last laugh.

This is why people should seek my counsel and take advantage of my wisdom because nothing lasts forever and neither will my services to this forum.
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Your services on this forum better be extended by PZ until the T20 World Cup at least
 
Slim said:
I have to agree with you on this, dawg. This is entering cuckoo land of conspiracy theories. And surprising to see this from topspin, one of the best posters on PP. Maybe he is extremely upset over the Babar news understandably and thats clouding his judgement.
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Topspin, Rana, mominsaigol etc. have been completely owned over the last few days. It is the worst and most brutal burial I have ever been a part of in this forum and I can’t even take credit for it.

I just reacted to the same news that is available to them as well and put 2+2 together. How is it my fault that they couldn’t see where the wind was blowing.

I am not connected to anyone in PZ and Babar is not my khala’s son. These people have lost their minds because they cant cope with the shock that they have received.
 
Rana said:
Your services on this forum better be extended by PZ until the T20 World Cup at least
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I hope not because I don’t think any of you guys would survive until then.
 
Mamoon said:
Topspin, Rana, mominsaigol etc. have been completely owned over the last few days. It is the worst and most brutal burial I have ever been a part of in this forum and I can’t even take credit for it.

I just reacted to the same news that is available to them as well and put 2+2 together. How is it my fault that they couldn’t see where the wind was blowing.

I am not connected to anyone in PZ and Babar is not my khala’s son. These people have lost their minds because they cant cope with the shock that they have received.
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Na it’s actually you still recovering from the trauma of Amir and Imad back into the national side. We didn’t bring this on to you. We just always liked them as good cricketers. We still do. They are more likely to come good for Pakistan in a tough situation in comparison to the great bottler, Babar Azam. Deal with it.
 
Mamoon said:
I hope not because I don’t think any of you guys would survive until then.
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Oh we will survive, we live for these kind of battles. You should know this by now. I’ll be here, and hopefully so will you be.

June. T20 World Cup. Under Babar Azam’s captaincy.
 
Mamoon said:
Topspin, Rana, mominsaigol etc. have been completely owned over the last few days. It is the worst and most brutal burial I have ever been a part of in this forum and I can’t even take credit for it.

I just reacted to the same news that is available to them as well and put 2+2 together. How is it my fault that they couldn’t see where the wind was blowing.

I am not connected to anyone in PZ and Babar is not my khala’s son. These people have lost their minds because they cant cope with the shock that they have received.
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Momin, Rana, Topspin: Yes please please make babar captain so we can see Pakistan get humiliated again, let's get the popcorn ready.

Mamoon: Hahahahahah, you got owned, Babar azam is made captain.

Mamoon you are a real life loonytoon man 😂.
 
Wow some posters here are having a complete meltdown :))

Babar becoming captain has really wrecked a few systems here. His success would pretty much doom them, if he has one of those WT20 2023 runs.
:))
 
Rana said:
Oh we will survive, we live for these kind of battles. You should know this by now. I’ll be here, and hopefully so will you be.

June. T20 World Cup. Under Babar Azam’s captaincy.
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Do you call this a battle? I have been swatting you guys like flies for days even when all 5 or 6 of you are all over me at the same time like a rash.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Wow some posters here are having a complete meltdown :))

Babar becoming captain has really wrecked a few systems here. His success would pretty much doom them, if he has one of those WT20 2023 runs.
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The best part is that amidst all of this, I have been elevated to the status of PCB Chairman and PZ president without my knowledge.
 
Mamoon said:
Do you call this a battle? I have been swatting you guys like flies for days even when all 5 or 6 of you are all over me at the same time like a rash.
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Brother, you’ve got what you and your franchise wanted. None of this smack talk now. Today is your day,

By the end of June. Just make sure you are around.
 
Rana said:
Brother, you’ve got what you and your franchise wanted. None of this smack talk now. Today is your day,

By the end of June. Just make sure you are around.
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Just because I wanted something doesn’t mean I have control over it or I can influence it.

Please don’t call me brother - it makes me feel less intelligent.
 
Mamoon said:
Just because I wanted something doesn’t mean I have control over it or I can influence it.

Please don’t call me brother - it makes me feel less intelligent.
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Alright,

As I said. You’ve got what you wanted. End of June.

I’m not even saying let’s see what happens against England or those few series in between.

End of june. Phase 1. Let’s then wait for phase 2, the Australia series. Get your extension sorted by Javed Afridi
 
Mamoon said:
I have been forced to. I have been reading so much nonsense over the last few days about how I’m on someone’s payroll to promote Babar on this forum and have somehow a say in what Babar’s becoming a captain.

My goodness. How can people come up with such nonsense. Some people have truly lost their minds because of the shock and horror of what has unfolded before their eyes.
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Be careful bro,

I wont be surprised if Umar Akmal tried contacting you tonight
 
Guys, please stop trolling each other. If you have nothing to discuss related to the topic so please avoid posting but no more personal insults anymore.
 
Our board and politics are a joke, but Babar is no joke. He's a world class batsmen. Before all of this, I would have said that Babar is well liked and respected within the team. He has shown that to me.

Now, not sure. There has to be some bad feelings from SSA and even Shan Masood. This trickles down. How many players will really trust Babar after this?

In the end though, winning resolves everything. Losing on the other hand, will escalate all of this again post-T20 WC.
 
Rana said:
It’s fine.

I’ve seen this guy grow up here. The mods are entitled to clean up the threads to suit them, but honestly I hope the posts stay.

Will just make the final victory a lot sweeter. Even then, my homies are witness to it.
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I would laugh if it wasn’t so sad that your final victory is Pakistan performing badly.

This is why no one takes you Imad Wasim and Amir fans seriously. For you all it is Imad over Pakistan.
 
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160KPH said:
I would laugh if it wasn’t so sad that your final victory is Pakistan performing badly.

This is why no one takes you Imad Wasim and Amir fans seriously. For you all it is Imad over Pakistan.
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You can do what you want. Take anyone that you want seriously, and not take anyone you want seriously.

It’s your choice.
 
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PakWC'11Champs said:
Our board and politics are a joke, but Babar is no joke. He's a world class batsmen. Before all of this, I would have said that Babar is well liked and respected within the team. He has shown that to me.

Now, not sure. There has to be some bad feelings from SSA and even Shan Masood. This trickles down. How many players will really trust Babar after this?

In the end though, winning resolves everything. Losing on the other hand, will escalate all of this again post-T20 WC.
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Babar had lost the dressing room by the middle of the ODI WC 2023 in India. Most of the players felt Babar and the other players in the A category central contract list had gotten themselves the bulk of the lucrative contracts, perks at the expense of most of the team languishing in C and D.

The present chor manner in which he got himself the captaincy again will not help his cause any further
 
Slim said:
I have to agree with you on this, dawg. This is entering cuckoo land of conspiracy theories. And surprising to see this from topspin, one of the best posters on PP.
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I appreciate your kind words.
 
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Dr_Bassim said:
So you admit that Babar is bigger than PCB.

Not a good sign.

However, he is not the best ever cricketer from Pakistan, you are quite wrong on this one.

And its also clear from your posts, you have sinister inside knowledge about Babar and his think tank.

I am going to agree with @Rana finally that you have vested interests in portraying the image of Babar as you have some steak in this pot.

I hate accusing anyone but its clear as daylight now Babar is bigger than PCB.
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Examples being:

Babar Azam and Asad Shafiq made it clear to him than Shan Masood is not good enough to be a regular member of the Test side, but Naqvi decided to keep him as Test captain for at least another 12 months because he doesn’t want to face backlash from the Shan Masood nepotism lobby
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People don’t know this but the motion of reinstating Babar as captain was put in place during the PSL and Zalmi played a big role in it.

New endorsements are in line to and Babar’s brand value will increase by multiple folds over the next couple of years.

He will also be reinstated as Test captain in 2025
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@Slim @Rana @mominsaigol
 
I was never in support of SSA becoming skipper, cracks in his fitness were showing and him being captain was only going to put more strain on him. However if you are going to appoint him anyway give him more than just a solitary series. This kind of thing is terrible for morale, especially before a T20 WC.

But then the biggest act of idiocy is re-instating Babar on zero merit. Not a single ODI was played after an incredibly disappointing WC and yet suddenly he is the best man for the job again despite his frailties as captain being clear to see in India. I hope this doesn't continue to affect his batting but going by trends it certainly seems like it.
 
Here's newsflash, I don't attack anyone. I've listed babar's successes multiple times, I've even gone so far as to defend rizwan 131 against cerebral patriot, I made it clear the innings was good.

But that doesn't mean I can't talk facts about his failures.

Me claiming Fakhar at his absolute best is 300x the batsmen that babar at his absolute best

KEY WORD ABSOLUTE BEST

is not me hating on babar, Me claiming Babar is not a world class batsmen is not me hating on babar, me claiming that imad is NOT the reason for our Australia semi final loss rather Babar, Hasan Ali, Shaheen, Rauf and Hafeez are is NOT me hating on babar. Me wanting babar out of the t20 team due to his stupidly slow sr is NOT ME hating on babar.
 
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So much noise from people who believe Imad Wasim is the second coming of Imran Khan.

You people are not getting laughed at because of what you think about Babar Azam.

You are getting mocked because you celebrate average players like Imad and call them ‘match-winners’.

It’s as bad as that cringe Babar comment about Nawaz in 2022.
 
mominsaigol said:
Here's newsflash, I don't attack anyone. I've listed babar's successes multiple times, I've even gone so far as to defend rizwan 131 against cerebral patriot, I made it clear the innings was good.

But that doesn't mean I can't talk facts about his failures.

Me claiming Fakhar at his absolute best is 300x the batsmen that babar at his absolute best

KEY WORD ABSOLUTE BEST

is not me hating on babar, Me claiming Babar is not a world class batsmen is not me hating on babar, me claiming that imad is NOT the reason for our Australia semi final loss rather Babar, Hasan Ali, Shaheen, Rauf and Hafeez are is NOT me hating on babar. Me wanting babar out of the t20 team due to his stupidly slow sr is NOT ME hating on babar.
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Exactly, it's not even that deep. When it comes to the Misbah fan club, I tried to engage with them and explain my rationale for why I don't rate Misbah but they're either unwilling to engage and post ad-hominem attacks or are unwillingly to accept his obvious mistakes because they're worried that if they say a word against him, their support for Misbah/Babar/Rizwan will be called into question.
 
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Usman Chadda said:
So much noise from people who believe Imad Wasim is the second coming of Imran Khan.

You people are not getting laughed at because of what you think about Babar Azam.

You are getting mocked because you celebrate average players like Imad and call them ‘match-winners’.

It’s as bad as that cringe Babar comment about Nawaz in 2022.
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Imad and Amir are bigger match winners than Babar. What’s wrong in saying this? It’s factual.
 
topspin said:
I appreciate you've been here longer than I have but I don't remember him being like this, where he's gone from one extreme to another extreme in a period of under six months.
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Savak said:
Lol at people who take Mamoon seriously or personally. Everyone who knows him understands how he operates ie he cleverly identifies the general feel, mood of the forum and then posts against it and always gets what he wants ie attention. Everyone knows he's not a sincere genuine cricket analyst.
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I get what you are saying, topspin. Savak is probably older than me but i have been on this forum since my A’levels days. This account is not my first rodeo. Me and Mamoon have been on the opposite ends of arguments multiple times but it was more about India/Pakistan. There is so much history to the forum, haha. So many amazing members that we have lost now. But thats just the function of time.

I agree with you that its a rather abrupt change of opinion but i am not surprised. What Savak is saying is right, playing devil’s advocate and going against the grain is what Mamoon does best. And hes pretty good at getting the attention.

I dont think there is any sinister agenda at play.
 
Slim said:
I get what you are saying, topspin. Savak is probably older than me but i have been on this forum since my A’levels days. This account is not my first rodeo. Me and Mamoon have been on the opposite ends of arguments multiple times but it was more about India/Pakistan. There is so much history to the forum, haha. So many amazing members that we have lost now. But thats just the function of time.

I agree with you that its a rather abrupt change of opinion but i am not surprised. What Savak is saying is right, playing devil’s advocate and going against the grain is what Mamoon does best. And hes pretty good at getting the attention.

I dont think there is any sinister agenda at play.
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Theirs a difference.

In a respectful debate, the user announces that their playing devil's advocate as it's important to establish those rules to have a formal key word formal discussion.

Devil's advocate is not for attention purposes

What Mamoon doing is trolling: Aka deliberately getting under people's skin for 5 mins of fame. It's petty, childish and finally doesn't even give him fame, like what he has 100,000 comments on a forumn? And suddenly he views himself as Taylor swift?

But it is clear he's an attention seeker. He got so mad at a POTW that he went out of his way to claim

Haha well I have 10 more muhahahaha.

If he's trying to get under people's skin for attention, it's a sinister agenda, it may NOT BE a political sinister agenda, but it is a Sinister agenda.

Basically you just confirmed that Mamoon is the biggest troll and is nothing more then a teenage girl seeking attention from big daddy.
 
Usman Chadda said:
So much noise from people who believe Imad Wasim is the second coming of Imran Khan.

You people are not getting laughed at because of what you think about Babar Azam.

You are getting mocked because you celebrate average players like Imad and call them ‘match-winners’.

It’s as bad as that cringe Babar comment about Nawaz in 2022.
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Their is nothing wrong with claiming Amir is a superior match winner to Babar. Amir's spells have resulted in 2 icc victories

The 2017 bowling spell dismantled India to the point that the needed to rely on the middle order to compete, The pressure of losing dhawan, Rohit and kohli early in a final stage is huge as 2 of them are ATG's and the other has an amazing ct record.

None of us live on cloud 9, no one claimed babar is a bad player. You can handle criticism about him that's all. Nothing wrong in claiming that babar is not WORLD CLASS by any means especially when you compare him to people like maxwell, rachin etc etc which 100+ users on this forumn have done
 
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topspin said:
Yes all 3 of those who tried to belittle your POTW, all happen to be part of the Babar cult.



Exactly, it's not even that deep. When it comes to the Misbah fan club, I tried to engage with them and explain my rationale for why I don't rate Misbah but they're either unwilling to engage and post ad-hominem attacks or are unwillingly to accept his obvious mistakes because they're worried that if they say a word against him, their support for Misbah/Babar/Rizwan will be called into question.
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I'll give you an example

Major: Imran Khan and Sarfraz winning 1992 and 2017 were the biggest flukes of all time, but no one cares because its an icc cup victory.

Also Major

Major: Misbah was the greatest captain: Bro the last time we reached a world cup knockout stage was under misbah.

Umm you realise quarterfinals use to exist back then? And put competition was India, Pakistan, west indies, South Africa and minnows 💀💀, even then we made it only due to sarfraz.

In hindsight sarfraz coming 5th is superior to misbah reaching quarterfinals due to guess who: Sarfraz.

I highly doubt these people would be claiming fluke if misbah was the winner of ct 2017 lol.
 
Usman Chadda said:
So much noise from people who believe Imad Wasim is the second coming of Imran Khan.

You people are not getting laughed at because of what you think about Babar Azam.

You are getting mocked because you celebrate average players like Imad and call them ‘match-winners’.

It’s as bad as that cringe Babar comment about Nawaz in 2022.
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Precisely this. Well said.
 
mominsaigol said:
Their is nothing wrong with claiming Amir is a superior match winner to Bobby. Amir's spells have resulted in 2 icc victories

The 2017 bowling spell dismantled India to the point that the needed to rely on the middle order to compete, The pressure of losing dhawan, Rohit and kohli early in a final stage is huge as 2 of them are ATG's and the other has an amazing ct record.

None of us live on cloud 9, no one claimed babar is a bad player. You can handle criticism about him that's all. Nothing wrong in claiming that babar is not WORLD CLASS by any means especially when you compare him to people like maxwell, rachin etc etc which 100+ users on this forumn have done
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But Amir sat out of the semi final and Pak beat a similar (arguably stronger) English team that day. Actually Pak turned the tables on both England and India in CT17. Junaid was the holding glue of that bowling attack. He would bowl defensively when someone on the other end was attacking. In the semi with Rumman looking slippery, he took on the lead bowler role and attacked earlier on. I remember he gave away 23 in first 3 overs but came back to finish with less than 6rpo whilst grabbing a few wickets. It was a charged up unit that worked like a unit in the later stages of that tournament. I won't say it was a fluke. But I don't think Pak wouldn't have won if Amir wasn't there. Fakhar had put us in a very strong position and it's never easy chasing a big total in final unless you're Australia.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
But Amir sat out of the semi final and Pak beat a similar (arguably stronger) English team that day. Actually Pak turned the tables on both England and India in CT17. Junaid was the holding glue of that bowling attack. He would bowl defensively when someone on the other end was attacking. In the semi with Rumman looking slippery, he took on the lead bowler role and attacked earlier on. I remember he gave away 23 in first 3 overs but came back to finish with less than 6rpo whilst grabbing a few wickets. It was a charged up unit that worked like a unit in the later stages of that tournament. I won't say it was a fluke. But I don't think Pak wouldn't have won if Amir wasn't there. Fakhar had put us in a very strong position and it's never easy chasing a big total in final unless you're Australia.
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What you claimed is entirely hypothetical.

We don't know the what's and ifs of anything so we can't claim of if X player was missing, i don't think we would have won or I think we would have.

The fact, I REPEAT FACT, is that in a final Amir was their, plain and simple.

Cricket is a team game, ans the main players of ct 2017 that deserve credit are Fakhar, Amir and hafeez.

Everyone else played a support role which includes hasan Ali, Shadab and even babar, Malik and Imad for their run contribution.

But the main factors were Fakhar and amir.

Fakhar, Amir have been Pakistan's Match winners for the past decade. Babar has not, Their is nothing wrong with claiming that.

Just like theirs nothing wrong with claiming that although Bobby is a good player HE IS NOT WORLD CLASS, since everyone compares him to international standards, every top team has 3 to 4 batsmen superior to babar.

Similarly theirs nothing with claiming that FAKHAR AT HIS ABSOLUTE BEST is 500x the batsmen that BABAR is at his ABDOLUTE BEST.

babar at his absolute worst is better then fakhar at his absolute worse though, that much I'll agree on, and he's more consistent then Fakhar.
 
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