[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Pakistan fans seem more effected than the players by the loss against USA...

[MenInG]

Some videos doing the rounds of Shaheen and his relative (?) which seem to be new and done after the loss to USA.

Now I don't expect our players to be walking around with hankees wiping their eyes but surely there is some sort of - at least - an attempt to introspect etc?

Where is the management? Wahab Riaz? What does the new coach thing about such visuals?

https://imgur.com/Jkt1hUX

 

[ElRaja]

so what should they be doing? they lost. best to just try to stay positive and hope luck goes your way.

 

[Mamoon]

This is how it should be. The players need to get it out of their system immediately and just give their best vs India and see what happens.

There is no point in feeling sorry for yourself and beat yourself up. Forget about it and move on, try to win every game from this point. Pretend that your World Cup is starting now.

The fans will do what the fans do and social media has only created more problems. The team needs to have the capacity to block outside noise and all players should be strictly instructed to not use social media or listen to the Pakistani media during the World Cup.

Just go and play, and deal with the criticism later. Everything will be forgotten if Pakistan manage to beat India.

 

[Kroll]

When its a team full of parchis who actually have no passion or fighting spirit to play for the jersey, of course the fans will be feeling it more and are.

 

[Usman Chadda]

@MenInG bhai I’m quite sure you guys know a lot more than us here, but it’s common knowledge right now that the dressing room is a toxic environment at the moment.

I doubt anyone wants to be part of this dressing room at the moment, and these boys are too busy one-upping each other rather than playing for their country.

The players in this team are not terrible all of a sudden to lose to an associate like USA, with all due respect.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistan's best cricketing days were when dressing room did not get along though so is it really bad news?

 

[Kianig89]

From the pictures, looks like players are on holiday destination rather than a WC , chilling with friends and doing photoshoots an Italy 2010 like debacle awaiting us

 

[AAli98]

This is how it should be. The players need to get it out of their system immediately and just give their best vs India and see what happens.

There is no point in feeling sorry for yourself and beat yourself up. Forget about it and move on, try to win every game from this point. Pretend that your World Cup is starting now.

The fans will do what the fans do and social media has only created more problems. The team needs to have the capacity to block outside noise and all players should be strictly instructed to not use social media or listen to the Pakistani media during the World Cup.

Just go and play, and deal with the criticism later. Everything will be forgotten if Pakistan manage to beat India.

They just got pumped by USA BBC calling it biggest shock since dinosaur ages..even if Pak wins 2 world cups this is going to stick for life.

But these players are looking where there next free meal is going to come from

 

[Mamoon]

They just got pumped by USA BBC calling it biggest shock since dinosaur ages..even if Pak wins 2 world cups this is going to stick for life.

But these players are looking where there next free meal is going to come from

Everything will be forgotten if they beat India or win the World Cup. It is as unlikely as anything, but that is what the players need to focus. What is done is done, move on and focus on the next game.

The whole world made fun of 3rd ranked Argentina led by the GOAT Messi losing to 51st ranked Saudi Arabia in the World Cup but no one gave a damn about that result when they rallied from that point and won the World Cup.

Absolutely no one would care or remember Pakistan losing to USA if Pakistan can recover from here.

And the only way Pakistan can have a 1% chance of recovering from here is by completely blocking off the noise and not looking back at what happened.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Everything will be forgotten if they beat India or win the World Cup. It is as unlikely as anything, but that is what the players need to focus. What is done is done, move on and focus on the next game.

The whole world made fun of 3rd ranked Argentina led by the GOAT Messi losing to 51st ranked Saudi Arabia in the World Cup but no one gave a damn about that result when they rallied from that point and won the World Cup.

Absolutely no one would care or remember Pakistan losing to USA if Pakistan can recover from here.

And the only way Pakistan can have a 1% chance of recovering from here is by completely blocking off the noise and not looking back at what happened.

I agree with this.

However, there is speculation that Babar and his brother are at some mall 13 hours away from the team hotel.

I hope that it's not true.

 

[ahmed16]

They're professionals.

Lost the first match? Move on, theres bigger games to come.

Fans will be fans.

 

[mominsaigol]

I agree with this.

However, there is speculation that Babar and his brother are at some mall 13 hours away from the team hotel.

I hope that it's not true.

Their is no speculation, they literally took a picture and posted it on twitter 13 hrs later. So unless they took a picture a long time ago and randomly decided to post it now, their at a mall in USA

 

[mominsaigol]

They're professionals.

Lost the first match? Move on, theres bigger games to come.

Fans will be fans.

Their not professionals, professionals don't clown around like these boys do

 

[ahmed16]

Their not professionals, professionals don't clown around like these boys do

They're professionals in the sense they are contracted to do a job, regardless of whether the output is good, bad or indifferent.

 

[Slim]

I literally saw Azam Khan in my dream today. That traumatic this defeat was. Yet players give no care. Im not surprised. They have ZERO pride.

 

[mominsaigol]

They're professionals in the sense they are contracted to do a job, regardless of whether the output is good, bad or indifferent.

In that sense yes. But their people irl who clown around on their job too, the result unless it's some nepotism bias, is that they either get fired or never get promoted and stay low level.

These boys are staying low level

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with this.

However, there is speculation that Babar and his brother are at some mall 13 hours away from the team hotel.

I hope that it's not true.

If they need to switch off for a day or get away from abusive fans that is fine.

 

[mominsaigol]

I literally saw Azam Khan in my dream today. That traumatic this defeat was. Yet players give no care. Im not surprised. They have ZERO pride.

That is an interesting dream? What happened in it? (Genuine question, no sarcasm), I'm actually curious

 

[ahmed16]

In that sense yes. But their people irl who clown around on their job too, the result unless it's some nepotism bias, is that they either get fired or never get promoted and stay low level.

These boys are staying low level

My point still stands, a professional sportsmen clears their mind from previous losses and looks ahead.

Clearly they have done that

 

[Slim]

That is an interesting dream? What happened in it? (Genuine question, no sarcasm), I'm actually curious

It was an odd dream, i was apparently chauffeuring him and another dude to a party and then he spoke to me about the match against USA with tears in his eyes backstage. Felt bad for him lol and then i just woke up.

 

[Mamoon]

Fans will always act on their agendas.

If you hate Babar and Pakistan beat India or win the World Cup, it will be a fluke and Qudrat ka nizam or whatever.

If you don’t hate Babar, then you will celebrate and credit him for the success and make fun of the critics who will clearly be unhappy to see Pakistan win.

The bottom-line is that fans do not matter. They are not important. The players and the management need to do their thing without worrying about how the fans will perceive and react.

 

[mominsaigol]

My point still stands, a professional sportsmen clears their mind from previous losses and looks ahead.

Clearly they have done that

If you think clearing your mind and going to a shopping mall in a professional sport is what causes a rejuvenation you're dead wrong.

It's just a faulty coping mechanism that'll end in tears.

A proper team, clears their mind by training their heart out and focusing full throttle by preparing for India and shutting off their phones once and for all.

This is like if I fail an exam, and in order to prepare for the next one, rather then clearing my thoughts and studying hard for the next one, I go to pizza hut. The result will be that I fail in the next exam.

This is a tournament, they can clear their mind by going to a shopping mall once they win or once their eliminated. No need to do it inbetweem

 

[mominsaigol]

It was an odd dream, i was apparently chauffeuring him and another dude to a party and then he spoke to me about the match against USA with tears in his eyes backstage. Felt bad for him lol and then i just woke up.

Your dream version of Azam respects Pakistan cricket more then the real version of Azam. Then again dream version is going to a party straight after usa so maybe not lol

 

[ahmed16]

If you think clearing your mind and going to a shopping mall in a professional sport is what causes a rejuvenation you're dead wrong.

It's just a faulty coping mechanism that'll end in tears.

A proper team, clears their mind by training their heart out and focusing full throttle by preparing for India and shutting off their phones once and for all.

This is like if I fail an exam, and in order to prepare for the next one, rather then clearing my thoughts and studying hard for the next one, I go to pizza hut. The result will be that I fail in the next exam.

This is a tournament, they can clear their mind by going to a shopping mall once they win or once their eliminated. No need to do it inbetweem

They can go to a shopping mall whenever they want mate.


Losses are part of life, you deal with them how you wish to deal with them.

 

[mominsaigol]

They can go to a shopping mall whenever they want mate.


Losses are part of life, you deal with them how you wish to deal with them.

What exactly is the point your trying to make?

First let's establish the premise. Is the premise that our opinions do not matter or is the premise that their professionals by going to a shopping mall?

What is it that your arguing?

 

[Civil]

This is a no win for the players ..if pictures were released of then being serious or despondent ..then fans would say they are shook or distraught.

This is the one case where it's probably better to remain unserious. Reality is our culture of taking things lightly is going to be hard to ever change its in our cricketers DNA.

 

[ahmed16]

What exactly is the point your trying to make?

First let's establish the premise. Is the premise that our opinions do not matter or is the premise that their professionals by going to a shopping mall?

What is it that your arguing?

No premise,

I've given my opinion: professional cricketers going to the shopping mall in between matches or socialising with family/friends shouldn't bother anyone, fan or otherwise.

Let them deal with the loss however they wish to.

Sit back down mate.

 

[mominsaigol]

No premise,

I've given my opinion: professional cricketers going to the shopping mall in between matches or socialising with family/friends shouldn't bother anyone, fan or otherwise.

Let them deal with the loss however they wish to.

Sit back down mate.

That opinion is a premise, but regardless for your sake let's call it an opinion.

Why are you claiming it shouldn't bother anyone? Everyone has different views and will share insights, What are you gonna do about it besides complain? I'm actually chill and don't care since I don't support this team and just comment.

Their passionate fans who are tearing this team because it isn't getting results and its frustrated with the management.

So why should they not voice their concerns? Why do you have an issue with it? You clearly do otherwise you wouldn't be responding to me in a passive aggressive way with emojis or sparky remarks of sitting back down.

 

[Mamoon]

If you think clearing your mind and going to a shopping mall in a professional sport is what causes a rejuvenation you're dead wrong.

It's just a faulty coping mechanism that'll end in tears.

A proper team, clears their mind by training their heart out and focusing full throttle by preparing for India and shutting off their phones once and for all.

This is like if I fail an exam, and in order to prepare for the next one, rather then clearing my thoughts and studying hard for the next one, I go to pizza hut. The result will be that I fail in the next exam.

This is a tournament, they can clear their mind by going to a shopping mall once they win or once they’re eliminated. No need to do it inbetweem

Your analogy is incorrect.

Playing cricket or any sport is not akin to studying for an exam. To pass an exam, you have to study the course. You won’t pass if you don’t learn what you are supposed to answer in the exam.

But Pakistani players will not become better players overnight by practicing for an additional day. They will be the same players this tomorrow as they were on the previous Sunday.

The only thing that can be different tomorrow is their mindset and their decision-making in certain moments, and that will influence whether they get hammered (most likely), or compete well (unlikely) or win (highly unlikely).

Different people have different ways to cope with pressure. Some athletes like to stay in the game while others prefer to switch off and come back with a clear state of mind.

You can’t paint everyone with the same brush.

If Pakistan lose tomorrow, it will not be because the players went to a mall instead of practicing, just like they didn’t lose to USA because of hosting an event for the fans in Dallas which triggered a lot of fans on this forum.

 

[pakistani pride]

What is Babar Azams brother doing there?
It really seems like they are on a holiday.

Also Babar really needs to work on himself. In no way he looks like an athlete.

 

[AAli98]

Just how Bangladesh 99 Ireland 07 anniversaries come up on this page the USA game will pop up aswell that’s how embarrassing it is.

 

[mominsaigol]

Your analogy is incorrect.

Playing cricket or any sport is not akin to studying for an exam. To pass an exam, you have to study the course. You won’t pass if you don’t learn what you are supposed to answer in the exam.

But Pakistani players will not become better players overnight by practicing for an additional day. They will be the same players this tomorrow as they were on the previous Sunday.

The only thing that can be different tomorrow is their mindset and their decision-making in certain moments, and that will influence whether they get hammered (most likely), or compete well (unlikely) or win (highly unlikely).

Different people have different ways to cope with pressure. Some athletes like to stay in the game while others prefer to switch off and come back with a clear state of mind.

You can’t paint everyone with the same brush.

If Pakistan lose tomorrow, it will not be because the players went to a mall instead of practicing, just like they didn’t lose to USA because of hosting an event for the fans in Dallas which triggered a lot of fans on this forum.

You claiming its incorrect has no bearings on anything, it's your opinion which doesn't hold any weight.

No one is claiming they'll be better players overnight, in the same way if you study for an exam overnight you're not likely to pass as you can't possibly cover the material in a single day.

Pakistan had 2 years to prepare, and they didn't learn anything. Last WC the opening combo was horrible, they didn't change it, bowlers were unfit, they didn't do anything about it. Their were nepotistic selections with shan, they didn't do anything instead replaced shan for someone worse in azam.

It's 100% an exam and Pakistan had 2 years to prepare but they didn't plain and simple.

However if they train, they improve their chances even if said chances are minimal. In the same way if you study overnight you improve your chances although in the end it won't matter.

Not preparing right now means same attitude in the future which Is being a lazy bum, something Bobby with his dad bod has been for 2+ years.

No one asked Pakistan to keep up the nepotism selections, or keep the same opening pair that failed last time. They had 2 years to Try plenty of options, instead they went for saim only and didn't try anything else. Similarly no one asked Pakistan to have their pacers be unfit and unready for the cup and no one asked them to not improve their fielding.

 

[Energy]

Reminds me of Babar and Imam who went shopping last day in India where the latter purchased an expensive designer suit (Manish Malhotra) for his wife for the wedding.

This was after Pakistsn got spanked by Afghanistan and did not qualify for the semis, thus resulting in yet another disappointing campaign.

Easy to say that players need to get away from toxicity, fans et al. but morals would dictate that they also back it up with some winning performances. Remains to be seen what they do with their World Cup campaign tomorrow.

If its all party and no show, that indicates the thick skin culture amongst the dressing room and therefore reeking hefty salaries off the PCB to enjoy life is the No. 1 mission. Not cricket.

 

[Syed1]

Garbage team with a crappy captain and a fascist as head of PCB. "Well deserved humiliation"

 

[Technics 1210]

It is not about giving the players free time to take their minds off, the problem is the players are not disciplined on or off the field. They simply do not care about the cricket and sadly cannot be trusted as professional elite athletes.

I can assure if this had happened to a top tier football or International Cricket team, then right now every player, support staff, and manager would be in a room, phones confiscated, and introspecting the loss. An end to end postmortem.

Pak players do not have an iota of discipline or remorse, shame, and even if this team beats India tomorrow, I will not be cheering.

Make no mistake. The loss vs USA was a humiliation of ultimate proportions, the lowest point in Pakistan cricket. ICC might claim it was the biggest upset, but in reality it was a public dressing down of Pakistan cricket.

Fans are neither here nor there. We pay their salaries.

 

[emranabbas]

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I can guarantee that if these pictures were of Amir or Imad, a certain individual trying to convince everyone it’s okay would have a completely different tone.

What the players should be doing is reviewing the footage to understand what went wrong, identifying areas for improvement, and accepting their mistakes. Learning from these mistakes is crucial to ensure they aren't repeated. If the USA can exploit Pakistan's weaknesses, anyone can.

Players should speak to a psychologist to build mental toughness and practice positive self-talk to build confidence.

It’s clearly visible that they are not working as a team. They should engage with coaches and teammates, build camaraderie, and participate in team-building activities. This would be far more beneficial than spending time on food, shisha, meet-and-greets, Go to theme park, go karting, have a game or baseball or something AS A TEAM NOT AS INVIDUALS OR WITH FAMILY

 

[pakistani pride]

Reminds me of Babar and Imam who went shopping last day in India where the latter purchased an expensive designer suit (Manish Malhotra) for his wife for the wedding.

This was after Pakistsn got spanked by Afghanistan and did not qualify for the semis, thus resulting in yet another disappointing campaign.

Easy to say that players need to get away from toxicity, fans et al. but morals would dictate that they also back it up with some winning performances. Remains to be seen what they do with their World Cup campaign tomorrow.

If its all party and no show, that indicates the thick skin culture amongst the dressing room and therefore reeking hefty salaries off the PCB to enjoy life is the No. 1 mission. Not cricket.

Imam another shameless individual.

 

[pakistani pride]

My academic qualifications blow yours out of the water. The fact that I write better than you even though you have received all your schooling in Australia is a just a small glimpse.

Read what I said. Again. I know comprehension is not your strongest suit, but let me repeat myself.

“You can pass an exam if you study a specific portion of the syllabus the day before the exam that you didn’t study before.”

Where did I imply that you can pass an exam if you have not studied anything beforehand?

The point that I am making is self-explanatory. You can pass an exam if you study a specific portion of the syllabus a day before the exam that you didn’t study before.

This clearly means that let’s say that your syllabus is made up of 10 topics. You have studied only 8 until the last day, but you can still the past exam by studying the last two topics the day before.

Last min preparation can work in academics but it cannot work in sports because you cannot learn or unlearn motor skills in a day.

If Babar struggles with power hitting he will not become better power hitter by practicing a day before the India match instead of going to a mall, and if going to mall helps him relax and get back into the thick of things with a better frame of mind then there is no harm in it.

Preparing for a sports match is nothing like preparing for an exam so please stop these analogies.

Not sure what your qualifications are but you are one confused individual.

 

[Bewal Express]

Our cricket has been decline since the late 90s, a period that ended with the defeat in the WC. Since then we have a few good moments but overall trajectory is down and nothing will change it, unless the PCB becomes an institution that lives and breathes cricket. Look at the list of PCB chairman and you see jobs to the boys that helped with regime change or laundering money, or helped with wheat scams. Our batting has always been pretty rubbish but it's the decline in our bowling that should send alarm bells ringing amongst fans( I would say administrators but they don't give a toss).

 

[RidiculousMan]

Some videos doing the rounds of Shaheen and his relative (?) which seem to be new and done after the loss to USA.

Now I don't expect our players to be walking around with hankees wiping their eyes but surely there is some sort of - at least - an attempt to introspect etc?

Where is the management? Wahab Riaz? What does the new coach thing about such visuals?

https://imgur.com/Jkt1hUX

Let them cope however they want from the loss. Each individual is different.

We as fans should judge them based on their performances. Big game is coming up. The attitude and effort in that game will tell us all.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Warning:

Keep comments civil and avoid personal remarks.

 

[followed]

It is not about giving the players free time to take their minds off, the problem is the players are not disciplined on or off the field. They simply do not care about the cricket and sadly cannot be trusted as professional elite athletes.

I can assure if this had happened to a top tier football or International Cricket team, then right now every player, support staff, and manager would be in a room, phones confiscated, and introspecting the loss. An end to end postmortem.

Pak players do not have an iota of discipline or remorse, shame, and even if this team beats India tomorrow, I will not be cheering.

Make no mistake. The loss vs USA was a humiliation of ultimate proportions, the lowest point in Pakistan cricket. ICC might claim it was the biggest upset, but in reality it was a public dressing down of Pakistan cricket.

Fans are neither here nor there. We pay their salaries.

This post sums up what's wrong with these cricketers and management.

Excellent points.
It couldn't get any worse than losing to USA. It sure is the lowest point in Pakistan cricket history

These players are disgrace to whole of Pakistan.

They should be ashamed of themselves but they don't care about any of that.

Pakistan fans should stop watching these losers.

 

[MenInG]

Look visuals matter.

This is something for PCB Media/Team management to control.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Think there has been a overreaction from our fans

NZ being thrashed by Afghanistan has put everything into perspective.

I think this will be a world cup of upsets so let's not be too disgruntled with this loss.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Think there has been a overreaction from our fans

NZ being thrashed by Afghanistan has put everything into perspective.

I think this will be a world cup of upsets so let's not be too disgruntled with this loss.

Imagine Pakistan losing like that to Afghanistan? There would have been riots

 

[Slim]

Imagine Pakistan losing like that to Afghanistan? There would have been riots

Pakistan has already lost to Afghanistan in not a t20I but ODI worldcup, much much worse. Pakistani awam has been desensitised to this.

 

[Slim]

Think there has been a overreaction from our fans

NZ being thrashed by Afghanistan has put everything into perspective.

I think this will be a world cup of upsets so let's not be too disgruntled with this loss.

The fans have been under-reacting rather than over. If some captain had lost to Zimbabwe twice, once in a worldcup and lost to Afghanistan in a worldcup that alone would have sealed his fate forever. That 152-0 and then the lucky fluke to last t20I worldcup final provided Babar with insane amount of protection.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Do you want them to sulk in their rooms? Or always be crying when seen out in public?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I am just laughing because Babar enjoying is all fine.

When it was Imad smoking or if it were Amir having fun, this forum would have melted completely.

 

[Kianig89]

Senior journalist vented out saying fans are surprised by the inclusion of some players such as Azam Khan and Muhammad Amir, With Rizwan in side Azam is not required. Amir has a bakground which is not worth mentioning. Usman Khan another switch player , demands explanation on wrong squad selections from authorities. Also criticized the military camp before the world cup.

 

[emranabbas]

Think there has been a overreaction from our fans

NZ being thrashed by Afghanistan has put everything into perspective.

I think this will be a world cup of upsets so let's not be too disgruntled with this loss.

Many Pakistani cricket fans primarily watch Pakistan's matches and hold onto the belief that Pakistan is a top team, with Babar and Rizwan as standout players, while considering other teams inferior.

However, cricket has evolved in recent years, with many teams adapting to modern strategies. In contrast, Pakistan, along with Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, seem to be lagging behind.

I've been following Afghanistan's cricket team for a few years, including their players in the IPL, and they have shown significant improvement. With considerable support from India, I believe they are currently the second-best team in Asia, after India.

 

[Mamoon]

I am just laughing because Babar enjoying is all fine.

When it was Imad smoking or if it were Amir having fun, this forum would have melted completely.

You have completely lost your marbles if you are equating going to a mall to smoking cigs as a pro cricketer.

No one has a problem with Amir having fun. We have a problem with him conceding 19 runs in a super over vs USA after he was brought back from retirement because of his supposed ability to keep his cool under pressure.