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West Indies v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Bridgetown, Barbados | Apr 30-May 4, 2017 | Day 2

boomboom6 said:
Capable? Azhar didn't have a 100 outside UAE/SL until last year in England. He still doesn't have a 100 in NZ despite 2 tours there. Shehzad in his only tour there has a 100 in ODIs. Shehzad has another ODI 100 in SA which was a match winning effort.

Azhar was extremely limited when he started. His SRs consistently hovered in 30s. This is why his conversion rate was ABYSMAL for the first 3 years or so of his career. Infact Azhar only had 4 100s in his first 3 years of playing test cricket, majority of which was in the UAE/SL. FOUR.

Shehzad has a 131 vs Aus and 176 vs NZ, 148 vs SL. I don't care if it was in the UAE. It still takes skill to score those runs. And since majority of our cricket is played in the UAE, he'll be just fine.

You're pretty much clutching at straws here.
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Does capability=performance?

Believe what you want, but I've already given reasons why he won't succeed.
 
Fully agreed with Waqar here, Rameez should quit his verbal diarrhoea - we horribly underachieved in Tests between 1997 to 2007 barring a purple patch under Woolmer.
 
What is this weird across the line whip that shehzad has been trying to do . . almost like he wants to do that kohli whip . . this wasn't in his game before
 
Rinnegan Sasuke said:
"Never been no.1 in that era" Another yorker from Waqar, just stop Rameez, it's embarrassing.
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yea but they have earn fans from across the world due to their swag and style they were second to aussie in terms of rr.
& wih this style of batting fans from pakistan itself not only stop watching but start hating this team
 
Slog said:
Lol
Shehzad has toured NZ twice

The hundreds he had against Australi and NZ in UAE were innings where Pakistan scored 500+ and 600+ runs

Any dud with a bat scored in those innings

Shehzad averages 25 in SL and was saved by being dropped for eng and Aus tours ther wise his test record would be as pathetic as his one day record

Shehzad is a failure. In two world cups he averages a MIGHTY 12 against top 10 teams
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But, but he has more hundreds than Azhar did after he played 13 tests.
 
Slog said:
Lol
Shehzad has toured NZ twice

The hundreds he had against Australi and NZ in UAE were innings where Pakistan scored 500+ and 600+ runs

Any dud with a bat scored in those innings

Shehzad averages 25 in SL and was saved by being dropped for eng and Aus tours ther wise his test record would be as pathetic as his one day record

Shehzad is a failure. In two world cups he averages a MIGHTY 12 against top 10 teams
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I'm making a case for Shehzad in test team. I accept that he's not good enough for LOIs right now. But for test matches, he's fine.

And yeah those 100s came in innings where Pak scored big and Shehzad had a big hand in that. Way to conveniently ignore that. Both innings ended up coming in wins. Seriously some of y'all will cling to anything to discredit his test achievements just because he has struggled in LOIs. That's unfair.
 
NauV said:
What is this weird across the line whip that shehzad has been trying to do . . almost like he wants to do that kohli whip . . this wasn't in his game before
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Good observation. I was thinking the same earlier. Also been trying to play that cover drive against spinners like Kohli does. Smart lad if he is. No shame in learning from a stud batsman.
 
boomboom6 said:
I'm making a case for Shehzad in test team. I accept that he's not good enough for LOIs right now. But for test matches, he's fine.

And yeah those 100s came in innings where Pak scored big and Shehzad had a big hand in that. Way to conveniently ignore that. Both innings ended up coming in wins. Seriously some of y'all will cling to anything to discredit his test achievements just because he has struggled in LOIs. That's unfair.
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Scoring runs in the UAE is some achievement.

Mediocre batsman like Misbah have averages of 50 there.
 
MRSN said:
another funny fact..Misbah has only one hundred I guess outside UAE in tests. I think everyone knows Misbah's true limitations but it's funny to read his fans claim him to be an ATG.
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Don't be bitter because your heralded loser Umar Akmal can't even make the team. Plays in the flattest wickets of the entire domestic season in Pakistan Cup, where even Khurrum Manzoor looks like a killer, yet still tuk tuks to the point where even Fawad Alam ends up with a higher SR than him LOL.
 
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At this rate Shezad will secure the luckiest century of all time. he's been close to out a dozen times and WI just can't get him off the field.
 
They should treat every delivery as a free hit against Gabriel. This is utter embarrassing.
 
Ellipsism said:
Scoring runs in the UAE is some achievement.

Mediocre batsman like Misbah have averages of 50 there.
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Yes like how most of our batsmen score big outside of Asia/UAE?

You realize YK is the ONLY batsman from Pak to have an overall great record outside Asia for Pak batsmen standards right? And Azhar just now after playing for nearly 7 years had a monstrous Aussie series.

Perspective.
 
The cricket enthusiast said:
yea but they have earn fans from across the world due to their swag and style they were second to aussie in terms of rr.
& wih this style of batting fans from pakistan itself not only stop watching but start hating this team
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Nobody hates this team other than a handful of killjoys. Frankly, having swagger while you've underachieved is nothing to be proud of, and having fans doesn't win you games. WI is a clear example.
 
boomboom6 said:
I'm making a case for Shehzad in test team. I accept that he's not good enough for LOIs right now. But for test matches, he's fine.

And yeah those 100s came in innings where Pak scored big and Shehzad had a big hand in that. Way to conveniently ignore that. Both innings ended up coming in wins. Seriously some of y'all will cling to anything to discredit his test achievements just because he has struggled in LOIs. That's unfair.
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Its not just about the numbers, you have to look at his technique. With his static feet and tendency to play away from his body - he's asking for trouble in England when we tour next May.

Azhar is much more technically solid than Shehzad.
 
And let me turn the tables here, how many non-Asian batsmen have succeeded in the UAE in last 7 years? This works both ways! English have mostly struggled outside of Cook and Root. For Aussies only Smith has been good, Warner highly inconsistent.

Fact is, most batsmen today excel at home and struggle away. That's been the general norm in test cricket. The problem is, the scrutiny has only been on Asian batsmen and less on non-Asian ones.
 
Both batsmen looking on a course for centuries and putting Pakistan in a commanding position.
 
boomboom6 said:
And let me turn the tables here, how many non-Asian batsmen have succeeded in the UAE in last 7 years? This works both ways! English have mostly struggled outside of Cook and Root. For Aussies only Smith has been good, Warner highly inconsistent.

Fact is, most batsmen today excel at home and struggle away. That's been the general norm in test cricket. The problem is, the scrutiny has only been on Asian batsmen and less on non-Asian ones.
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We Asians (but especially Pakistanis) like to have an inferiority complex.
 
boomboom6 said:
Yes like how most of our batsmen score big outside of Asia/UAE?

You realize YK is the ONLY batsman from Pak to have an overall great record outside Asia for Pak batsmen standards right? And Azhar just now after playing for nearly 7 years had a monstrous Aussie series.

Perspective.
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When you have to bring up the failures of others to justify Ahmed's position proves that he isn't good enough. Why settle for mediocrity?

Imran Butt, Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam are all better openers then Shehzad.
 
Markhor said:
Its not just about the numbers, you have to look at his technique. With his static feet and tendency to play away from his body - he's asking for trouble in England when we tour next May.

Azhar is much more technically solid than Shehzad.
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Azhar had an overall poor series in England on debut outside of that 92* at the Oval. It has taken him years to get to the level he is now. Patience. Shehzad has the strokes against pace bowling. Yes he has some issues technically but as long as he is scoring runs, that's all that matters.

Besides as I keep saying, majority of our cricket is going to be in UAE/SL for the foreseeable future, so Shehzad will be fine. Now if he doesn't produce the goods after getting a good run of lets say a year or so in test team, then by all means replace him with someone else.

We have seen what patience with Azhar has done. He had many lean patches too. Infact he was a poor converter of 50s to 100s his first 3 years despite playing majority of his cricket in UAE. So again, lets have some perspective.
 
Can remember the days when people wanted Azhar dropped not just on this forum LOL
 
boomboom6 said:
Azhar had an overall poor series in England on debut outside of that 92* at the Oval. It has taken him years to get to the level he is now. Patience. Shehzad has the strokes against pace bowling. Yes he has some issues technically but as long as he is scoring runs, that's all that matters.

Besides as I keep saying, majority of our cricket is going to be in UAE/SL for the foreseeable future, so Shehzad will be fine. Now if he doesn't produce the goods after getting a good run of lets say a year or so in test team, then by all means replace him with someone else.

We have seen what patience with Azhar has done. He had many lean patches too. Infact he was a poor converter of 50s to 100s his first 3 years despite playing majority of his cricket in UAE. So again, lets have some perspective.
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Completely false that he has strokes against pace.

He has strokes when the ball is pitched is his zone, outside of his zone and he looks out of place.
 
Ellipsism said:
When you have to bring up the failures of others to justify Ahmed's position proves that he isn't good enough. Why settle for mediocrity?

Imran Butt, Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam are all better openers then Shehzad.
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Imran and Haq can definitely be tried if Shehzad fails to perform consistently say after being in the team for a year. Sami was admirable in England, was alright in NZ, struggled in Australia but was wrongfully dropped. I've already said Sami should be back to open with Shehzad for next series while Azhar slides down to 4.

Bottom line the job of the selectors should be to give top performing prospects a proper run in the team and if they don't perform then move to the next batch of performers until we find some that stick. It's a simple process.
 
Ellipsism said:
Completely false that he has strokes against pace.

He has strokes when the ball is pitched is his zone, outside of his zone and he looks out of place.
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That holds true for vast majority of the batsmen. Again you are arguing for the sake of it.
 
boomboom6 said:
Imran and Haq can definitely be tried if Shehzad fails to perform consistently say after being in the team for a year. Sami was admirable in England, was alright in NZ, struggled in Australia but was wrongfully dropped. I've already said Sami should be back to open with Shehzad for next series while Azhar slides down to 4.

Bottom line the job of the selectors should be to give top performing prospects a proper run in the team and if they don't perform then move to the next batch of performers until we find some that stick. It's a simple process.
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Azhar's success has come at the top, it's completely delusional to move him down the order.
 
The great tragedy will be that years from now Shehzad fans will point to this innings as proof of his overseas prowess....
 
This will be a test of Babar Azam's prowess against spin . . he is pretty weak in that department, in my opinion
 
boomboom6 said:
That holds true for vast majority of the batsmen. Again you are arguing for the sake of it.
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Nope, it doesn't.

Batsman always have a zone that they prefer, but that doesn't mean they clueless when it isn't, they have means and methods to counter that. Shehzad after 8 years of international cricket has yet to sort out these issues, which is a testimony to his work ethic.

Thank god Shehzad is gone.
 
boomboom6 said:
Imran and Haq can definitely be tried if Shehzad fails to perform consistently say after being in the team for a year. Sami was admirable in England, was alright in NZ, struggled in Australia but was wrongfully dropped. I've already said Sami should be back to open with Shehzad for next series while Azhar slides down to 4.

Bottom line the job of the selectors should be to give top performing prospects a proper run in the team and if they don't perform then move to the next batch of performers until we find some that stick. It's a simple process.
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I agree with this post but if it came to it and I had a choice between Shehzad and Sami Aslam; I'd take Sami who was CRIMINALLY dropped.
 
Thank God. Good riddance. A 100 would have secured his spot in the side for a year for no good reason.

Time for Boss Younis or Young Babar to come on and take WI for a ride with Azhar.
 
Mubarak guys, never thought a day would come where Pak fans would celebrate the loss of their own man.....joke :yk2 please continue #ClosetINDIAFans
 
I bet you lot wish Shezhad was still out there tuk tuk-ing away now eh?
 
Babar has massive concentration issues
 
Poor shot by babar needs to learn quickly or will be shown the door soon.
 
So Pakistan is gonna crumble now??? And people are going to praise the openers innings.. Poor poor from Babar :out
Babar no matter how hood he is in LOIs he is just not suited to tests at this point.. May be he needs to play some FC games as well..
 
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