What's new

Where is the fire in this Ashes contest?

MenInG

PakPassion Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Runs
218,133
A few people noticing it.

Glenn McGrath in an exclusive interview to DT: 'England are being too nice - it all feels very politically correct'

And I agree.

There seems to be no needle or attempts to get in the Aussie skin by England. Ben Stokes - I expected something more from him but seems its all goodie-goodie at the moment.

So where is the fire?
 
England need to sack Silverwood and appoint a coach such as Ravi Shastri to bring the aggression to the Australians.
 
It is ridiculous to think a player like Ben Stokes playing Ashes with no fire and aggression. It seems he just isn't bothered of making any impact.
 
England are being “too nice" and need to “get nasty" against Australia in the Boxing Day Test to fight back in the ongoing Ashes series, feels former skipper Michael Vaughan. England suffered heavy defeats in the first two Tests to be down 0-2 in the five-match series.

“It’s too nice," Vaughan, who led England to 26 wins in 51 Tests, including the 2005 Ashes, said on Fox Cricket’s Follow-On podcast. “I see on the morning of the game they are all talking to Mitchell Starc and Nathan Lyon. I never had a conversation with Steve Waugh back in the day. I wouldn’t have dared go and speak to Glenn McGrath on the morning of the game or Shane Warne. You just didn’t."

“It’s all a bit friendly. I’d get nasty with them They somehow need to find that on day one. Get into the scrap. Chirp, do whatever, just get into the scrap."

Vaughan wants England to bring a change in their attitude on the field. “They are at that stage now where they have to change something," the 47-year-old vaughan, who scored 5719 runs in 82 Tests, said.

“It might be that they all get nasty, get nasty with each other. They all fall out. Who cares, but then come out and show a bit of spirit I actually want to see a bit of mongrel in the England side."

Former skipper Michael Atherton, meanwhile, said Joe Root may lose his Test captaincy if England doesn’t arrest the slide and overturn the 0-2 deficit in the ongoing series. Root (23) surpassed Alastair Cook (22) to become the England captain with most losses in Test cricket following their 275-run loss in the Pink-ball Test at the Adelaide Oval.

“If the tour continues to go this badly, it is hard to see how Root will remain as captain," Artherton, who captained England in 54 Tests, told The Times. “Ashes tours have often done for England captains and Root is nearer the end of his cycle than the beginning. There is not a rash of alternatives, but the notion that there is no one to take over is the worst rationale for keeping the job."

The 53-year-old also slammed head coach Chris Silverwood for taking “poor decisions", mainly in terms of selection of the team for the two Tests.

“As the head coach and main selector, he has to shoulder along with Joe Root. There have been a rash of poor decisions so far selection, mainly for which he now has the final call," Artherton said.

“For the past 12 months, lots of selections have been suspect; the move to invest responsibility for selection with the head coach was always a bad one."

The third Test begins in Melbourne on December 26 and Atherton feels England need to address their batting woes. “The batting needs urgent attention more generally, but given that no one else has played any cricket, I would give the same batsmen another chance," he said.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...-nice-to-australian-counterparts-4580558.html
 
Has McGrath seen the scoreline? What is there for England to be aggressive about? I mean their batsmen are essentially fighting for their spots in the side at this point.
 
People don;t want to see aggressive cricket anymore, its all about who can be the nicest. The media will cancel any player that shows any aggression and the fans will get upset if a player tries to be aggressive.
 
Lol if England are ‘nice’ on the field, then we need to re-invent a new word to describe Pakistan.
 
People don;t want to see aggressive cricket anymore, its all about who can be the nicest. The media will cancel any player that shows any aggression and the fans will get upset if a player tries to be aggressive.

This.

Cricket has changed. Nasty behaviors can actually get you demerit points and even suspensions.

Cricket is now more about objective skills than dramas.
 
Has McGrath seen the scoreline? What is there for England to be aggressive about? I mean their batsmen are essentially fighting for their spots in the side at this point.

This is also a very good point.

When team is not doing well, being aggressive can look foolish.
 
There is no way you can be nasty when your team is getting pulverized like this England team

Most players will be too scared to say anything knowing when they lose - they will have big egg on their faces
 
England got jumped and don't have any reliable weapons to fire back with (I do not put Wood in the "reliable" category, he never seems to play 2 Tests in a row). So the batsmen aren't giving out much lip.

True, past England teams had a KP or (under rated) Trescothik to bat aggressively and challenge the bowlers that way, or before that a Thorpe who would dig in and build away busily no matter what you threw at him.

Short answer- they lack the talent and don't have a strong leader. Root has never really had control over Broad & Jimmy, can't seem to tell them what length to bowl & they both seem to be a bit petulant & sulky these days.
 
There would be more aggression if Stokes was the captain imo.
 
The Ashes: Like To See Some Emotion Out In The Middle, Says Glenn McGrathThe legendary Glenn McGrath on Friday loathed the lack of aggression from England players in the ongoing Ashes series, saying he would prefer to see a close battle in the ultimate contest instead of "political correctness".

The legendary Glenn McGrath on Friday loathed the lack of aggression from England players in the ongoing Ashes series, saying he would prefer to see a close battle in the ultimate contest instead of "political correctness". For McGrath, too much bromance between England and Australian players, which he largely attributed to IPL and Big Bash, was taking away the required passion while representing the country. "It can be a little bit too nice sometimes. That's the way everything's going, isn't it? There's a lot of political correctness. People are a bit nervous about being aggressive and playing hard," McGrath was quoted as saying by Syndey Morning Herald.

"I remember, when Nasser Hussain came out here with England, they weren't even allowed to talk to us or say 'G'day'," he added.

The Australians have this habit of shortening the longer words but McGrath is aghast to see the nick names floating around.

"Every time you hear one of the English or Australian players interviewed, they use a nickname. Broady, Jimmy, Kez. I was asking the other day, 'Who's Kez?' 'Oh, Alex Carey.' They're a lot more familiar with each other than we were when I played," he said.

England are down 0-2 in the series but it did not show if the bashing by the hosts was causing any hurt. The England players were chatting around nicely with the home players.

"It's all about body language. How much does it mean, representing your country? England have to go back to the drawing board and have a real good think about this," he said.

"With the IPL and the Big Bash, these players know one another well. You see batsmen and bowlers joking around. I'd like to see some emotion out in the middle," he added.

McGrath was all for a spectacle out there in the middle.

"I'd love there to be more of a battle. Australia aren't going to take their foot off the throttle, now that they have Pat Cummins coming back. James Anderson looks like he's down on pace, and the ball's not swinging. This could get pretty ugly very quickly," he said.

He urged the visitors to add some aggression to their game and suggested that they unleash Mark Wood.

"If you've got someone bowling over 150 km/h, you want to play him as often as you can. Ben Stokes hasn't looked good, so for him to come out in Adelaide and play the enforcer role was a big ask," he added.

"They needed Wood. Any bowler with that speed is a rarity. Look at what Jofra Archer did to Australia in 2019. Not to use an out-and-out quick on a deck like Adelaide is surprising. Ollie Robinson will take wickets, but he's not going to blast teams out, especially in Australian conditions," he said.

"To turn things around they have to be much more aggressive. For all of us, the Ashes is the ultimate. All we want is to see a battle that's close," he concluded.

https://sports.ndtv.com/the-ashes-2...-out-in-the-middle-says-glenn-mcgrath-2668797
 
A few people noticing it.

Glenn McGrath in an exclusive interview to DT: 'England are being too nice - it all feels very politically correct'

And I agree.

There seems to be no needle or attempts to get in the Aussie skin by England. Ben Stokes - I expected something more from him but seems its all goodie-goodie at the moment.

So where is the fire?

The Australians are being nice too. The nicest they have been since the mid-eighties. It’s like playing the Kiwis. I welcome it.
 
England got jumped and don't have any reliable weapons to fire back with (I do not put Wood in the "reliable" category, he never seems to play 2 Tests in a row).

He’s been fine since he lengthened his run-up. He was fit for Adelaide. Silverwood dropped him out of stupidity.
 
All that talk regarding preparing for the Ashes in Australia and having guys like Wood, Mehmood, Stone (Injured), Jamie Overton, Payne etc bowling 90mph but in the end same usual attack for one reason or another and similar results so far.

I am not sure how England expected to compete with the same approach, similar kind of pacers and even lesser batting overall with the retirement of Cook.
 
Nasser Hussain:

==

England's coaches have clearly decided to take a tougher approach with their underperforming players and the outcome of the Ashes depends on how they respond.

The backroom staff's style has been largely to put an arm round the shoulder of the batters, to cajole them into subtle changes of technique, but it hasn't worked.

Now it looks like they have had enough and are reaching for the stick rather than the carrot to try to get more from their squad, as we have seen with reports in Melbourne of batters being sat down and made to watch footage of their mistakes.

Who could blame them? Those coaches have tried the softly-softly approach but the runs haven't come, so they have said, 'Right, we're going to change this'.

The problem with batting is that it's such an individual game. You only have to look at all the different techniques we have seen from England's batters to demonstrate that.

England's issue is they have players like Rory Burns, who has an unusual and idiosyncratic technique but is tough mentally, and then someone like Ollie Pope, who has a lovely technique but has been far too frenetic. They need to marry the two.

What they need are players with decent techniques who are calm at the crease, as we have seen in their best two batters in the series so far in Joe Root and Dawid Malan. They have to realise the two are linked.

The issue now is if England are going to make changes for the third Test, starting in Melbourne on Saturday night, they will be bringing in people like Zak Crawley and Jonny Bairstow who have not had any time in the middle.

That's why I found it ridiculous that both of them and Dan Lawrence didn't take the opportunity to play in the one Lions game against Australia A. Now they could well be asked to go into the MCG in front of 70,000 people against a world-class attack without any rhythm of batting under their belt.

If Pope plays or not, I would tell him to go on to YouTube or get the England analyst to put together a little package of Jacques Kallis at the crease. Just the tempo and his body language. At times you thought he was asleep at the crease because his heartbeat was so low and he was so in the zone. But that made his technique and temperament so good.

It's about England's mental toughness now. They are 2-0 down and they are going to one of the great cricket coliseums in the MCG. They will know now, with the pressure being turned up on Joe Root on and off the field, that the whole of Australia is very much against them.

What I don't want to see is it becoming a batters against bowlers or players against coaches mood in the England camp. The batters must not think 'why are we sitting in the dressing room being shown footage of our dismissals?' Don't do that.

Instead, think, 'We are a unit, we are England and we are sticking together. We are going to go out there at the MCG and show them'.

They should channel their anger, aggression and even their calmness on the pitch because Australia would love to see factions within the England team.

The players will also know, however much they try to ignore it, that people in England are saying, 'Here we go again, it's going to be 4-0 or 5-0'. But they will be far better off if they do not think about all that and get in the right mental space.

History tells you that it is very unlikely England can come back from here to win or even draw in this Ashes series, but I want to see a lot of bottle, fight and character - and a lot of runs!

I keep on saying it but Australia really is a good place to bat. I can cut England some slack for struggling in India on those spinning pitches, but these have been pretty decent surfaces so far, as Marnus Labuschagne, Steve Smith and David Warner have all shown.

There could not be a better stage than the MCG for England to restore some pride.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...nt-lot-bottle-lot-fight-lot-runs-England.html
 
I feel England will come out fighting and show some backbone after the criticism they got.
 
They've turned into Desis. Overly sensitive uncles that that think aggression in sports is "impolite".
 
England are rubbish. Hameed was pathetic- missed a straight one that did nothing.
They’re doomed to another 5-0 boring one sided series.
 
A few people noticing it.

Glenn McGrath in an exclusive interview to DT: 'England are being too nice - it all feels very politically correct'

And I agree.

There seems to be no needle or attempts to get in the Aussie skin by England. Ben Stokes - I expected something more from him but seems its all goodie-goodie at the moment.

So where is the fire?

England is being beaten to the pulp . They are just defeated
 
England are a rubbish team that is getting annihilated. It would be extremely stupid of them to act all aggressive.
 
Back
Top