Who is currently the world’s best keeper-batter in ODIs?

[mominsaigol]

Well he didn't keep in the IPL that made him famous right? So it's a natural qn. He did not keep for Australia either.

I am surprised that you say Jaiswal and Abhishek need more exposure before they can settle down but at the same time call this chap the best keeper bat int he whole world based on exactly what ?.

He's played just 2 ODIs and avg like 25. Lol. That's too premature

When did I call him the best?

I said he'll be on this list soon? Freaking rizwan is placed on this rank and the OP ranks him as 13th?

 

[mominsaigol]

haha i have never seen him doing keeping in matches that's why i asked! lol

Well he is a keeper, but I don't think he'll keep for Australia.

I doubt they'll go that route since he isn't frontline to be a keeper, he's frontline to be an opener.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan
Buttler
Klassen
conway

Rizwan is better than Butler, Klaasen and Conway?

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan is better than Butler, Klaasen and Conway?

I think he didn't list them in order. He just mentioned the top 4 best in the world according to his opinion.

 

[Rana]

I think he didn't list them in order. He just mentioned the top 4 best in the world according to his opinion.

He can clarify. And if not, how is Rizwan in his top 4? Because he is Pakistani?

 

[Sir Alex]

When did I call him the best?

I said he'll be on this list soon? Freaking rizwan is placed on this rank and the OP ranks him as 13th?

Hmm still makes no sense as he's not a keeper at any serious level yet.

A bit like calling Dravid the best wicket keeper batter India have ever had.

 

[mominsaigol]

Hmm still makes no sense as he's not a keeper at any serious level yet.

A bit like calling Dravid the best wicket keeper batter India have ever had.

Okay fair enough lol. The dravid comment made me laugh irl . Good counter.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He can clarify. And if not, how is Rizwan in his top 4? Because he is Pakistani?

He is a good combination of batting and keeping.

I think he is a fine keeper. Very tidy and often doesn't make mistakes. He backs that up with some decent batting.

There may be others that are better batsmen but he is right up with the best if you combine both factors.

 

[Rana]

He is a good combination of batting and keeping.

I think he is a fine keeper. Very tidy and often doesn't make mistakes. He backs that up with some decent batting.

There may be others that are better batsmen but he is right up with the best if you combine both factors.

Because he’s a slightly better keeper, it makes him on par or better than Butler, DeQock, Klaasen, Gurbaz, Pant etc?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Because he’s a slightly better keeper, it makes him on par or better than Butler, DeQock, Klaasen, Gurbaz, Pant etc?

I don't think he is a slightly better keeper I think he is a much better glovesman than some names mentioned here. So that brings his overall ranking up in my eyes.

Dekock is better overall though yeah. I think I had put Klassen down so I overlooked him on my original list.

But I do think he is better than Pant and Gurbaz in ODI. They have a higher ceiling though and will likely surpass him if his career stagnates.

 

[mominsaigol]

He can clarify. And if not, how is Rizwan in his top 4? Because he is Pakistani?

If you go by 2024 t20 wc then it's

1) Quinton de kock

2) Butler

3) Gurbaz

4) Nicholas pooran

^^ Note not ranked in order. Just listing the 4 best.

If you go overall

Then Butler, Klaseen, quinton and Gurbaz.

Gurbaz is extremely underrated because he happens to be from Afghanistan and Afghanistan as a team themselves are underrated.

Gurbaz averaging 37 and 89 sr in odi makes him gun, and in t20 he's equally consistent with a monster SR.

Conway has no form atm, NZ is out of it, so can't put him here. As for Australia, Alex Carrey, Inglis and Mattew wade are average, nothing special.

As for India, idk, Pant is kinda a t20 player, he's not really good for odi and KL Rahul is good for odi and test, not for t20. Neither of these 2 are all format. Sanju Sampson deserves more chances, I'm sure he'll enter this list if persisted. Since I find him better then Gurbaz but only if he's given enough time to prove himself.

 

[mominsaigol]

If you go by 2024 t20 wc then it's

1) Quinton de kock

2) Butler

3) Gurbaz

4) Nicholas pooran

^^ Note not ranked in order. Just listing the 4 best.

If you go overall

Then Butler, Klaseen, quinton and Gurbaz.

Gurbaz is extremely underrated because he happens to be from Afghanistan and Afghanistan as a team themselves are underrated.

Gurbaz averaging 37 and 89 sr in odi makes him gun, and in t20 he's equally consistent with a monster SR.

Conway has no form atm, NZ is out of it, so can't put him here. As for Australia, Alex Carrey, Inglis and Mattew wade are average, nothing special.

As for India, idk, Pant is kinda a t20 player, he's not really good for odi and KL Rahul is good for odi and test, not for t20. Neither of these 2 are all format. Sanju Sampson deserves more chances, I'm sure he'll enter this list if persisted. Since I find him better then Gurbaz but only if he's given enough time to prove himself.

@Rana Actually i take back what I said about Pant. He's gun in odi as well.

Butler, Quinton, Klaseen, Pant should be top 4

 

[Rana]

@Rana Actually i take back what I said about Pant. He's gun in odi as well.

Butler, Quinton, Klaseen, Pant should be top 4

Can you explain how Rizwan is a vastly better keeper than everyone else in the world? Do other keepers give away 20+ more byes than Rizwan does, and do they drop 1 catch+ miss one stumping a game more than Rizwan does?

 

[Rana]

I don't think he is a slightly better keeper I think he is a much better glovesman than some names mentioned here. So that brings his overall ranking up in my eyes.

Dekock is better overall though yeah. I think I had put Klassen down so I overlooked him on my original list.

But I do think he is better than Pant and Gurbaz in ODI. They have a higher ceiling though and will likely surpass him if his career stagnates.

Right now,

If Afghanistan had the choice to pick Rizwan over Gurbaz

And India had the choice to pick Rizwan over Pant…


Would they do it?

 

[mominsaigol]

Can you explain how Rizwan is a vastly better keeper than everyone else in the world? Do other keepers give away 20+ more byes than Rizwan does, and do they drop 1 catch+ miss one stumping a game more than Rizwan does?

I can't explain bro, I never even claimed that he was.

If you want my perspective,

In terms of Keeping ability, Rizwan isn't a bad keeper by any means, His jumps usually save Pakistan overhead boundaries that rauf has a habit of pitching in.

Rizzu's issue is that he isn't good under pressure, It's in pressure moments where he fumbles in keeping like he did in PSL for 3 finals in a row and against USA in the SO.

And his ability to judge LBW is extremely extremely poor.

Long story short, he's good for long distance catching, aka dives and what not. He's poor when he's keeping against spinners though or when he actually has to throw the ball back to the stumps to prevent a bye.

 

[Rana]

I can't explain bro, I never even claimed that he was.

If you want my perspective,

In terms of Keeping ability, Rizwan isn't a bad keeper by any means, His jumps usually save Pakistan overhead boundaries that rauf has a habit of pitching in.

Rizzu's issue is that he isn't good under pressure, It's in pressure moments where he fumbles in keeping like he did in PSL for 3 finals in a row and against USA in the SO.

And his ability to judge LBW is extremely extremely poor.

Long story short, he's good for long distance catching, aka dives and what not. He's poor when he's keeping against spinners though or when he actually has to throw the ball back to the stumps to prevent a bye.

Jee @DeadlyVenom

These are extremely valid points. I agree with Momin here. I hate Rizwan’s guts in general but I haven’t been too critical of his keeping. I recon he is a gun keeper, but to say he is much better than all of the keepers in the international circuit is an exaggeration.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jee @DeadlyVenom

These are extremely valid points. I agree with Momin here. I hate Rizwan’s guts in general but I haven’t been too critical of his keeping. I recon he is a gun keeper, but to say he is much better than all of the keepers in the international circuit is an exaggeration.

In terms of keeping ability, QDK is defo the best. Although he does cheat or is immoral at times, aka his sly run outs by pretending the ball is going at the other end lol. But again if ICC is fine with it I'm fine with it.

Worst keeper atm in terms of keeping ability is Conway, He was a better finger throughout the tournament.

Otherwise it's azam khan, but if people want to exclude him for the nepo baby tag, then it's probs Ishan kishan from India( when he keeps, but he isn't a frontline keeper. He's Ironically India's 4th to 8th choice usually)

 

[sweep_shot]

It used to be Quinton De Kock but he retired from ODI.

Right now, it is probably Butler or Klaasen.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Rizwan is not the best one for overall stats in keeping+batting etc but he is nowhere near to be at the bottom.

Klassen, dekock, butter, pant, rizwan, gurbaz would be in my 1op 10 any day.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Jee @DeadlyVenom

These are extremely valid points. I agree with Momin here. I hate Rizwan’s guts in general but I haven’t been too critical of his keeping. I recon he is a gun keeper, but to say he is much better than all of the keepers in the international circuit is an exaggeration.

To put him so low in your list is the exaggeration.

To have him amongst the best 4-5 keepers currently in the ODI formats, like I did is accurate.

 

[mominsaigol]

To put him so low in your list is the exaggeration.

To have him amongst the best 4-5 keepers currently in the ODI formats, like I did is accurate.

For me Rizzu is better then Australian keepers atm.

Alex Carrey, inglis and Mattew wade have played clutch innings in their career no doubt but Inglis has been awful on recent times, Carrey is AlrightE but inconsistent and mattew wade is wasged up.

And rn he's easily > Conway who was so poor Uganda bowlers were troubling him.

Rizwan is decent in test, a mid tier keeper in odi and very awful in t20.

Rizwan isn't the issue for pakistan's downfall in odi or test. Infact in test he's a good asset for the team. He is however one of the main reasons for the downfall of t20.

But odi and t20 he's fine. Odi's biggest issue is the team combination of having all accumulators, Abdullah, Imam, Babar, rizwan, Saud, Chacha can't all play one after the other in the modern era for obvious reasons.

Test issue is the top order. Rizzu is good in test and strengthens the lower order.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is not the best one for overall stats in keeping+batting etc but he is nowhere near to be at the bottom.

8-10 play internationals with each other

Rizwan happens to be 1 of the 8-10 keepers in these countries.

The top 5-6 of these countries all have a keeper+Batter better than Rizwan. They also all have a solid 2nd keeper, and some have excellent 3rd and 4th choices too. All better than Rizwan.


Pakistanis need to stop lying about Rizwan being one of the best keeper+Batters in the world. Sorry, he isn’t. Get over it! You don’t see Scotland claiming George Munsey is one of the best left handed T20 openers in the world just because he is one of the few prominent ones that play international cricket and is decent for his role.

 

[Rana]

For me Rizzu is better then Australian keepers atm.

Australia need a keeper either to open or bat at 7.

Is Rizwan better than Inglis, Carey and Wade for this role? They don’t need a player to bat at number 4 or 5 for them.

 

[mominsaigol]

Australia need a keeper either to open or bat at 7.

Is Rizwan better than Inglis, Carey and Wade for this role? They don’t need a player to bat at number 4 or 5 for them.

Ya cause they have maxwell and stones for that.

Regardless everyone knows the story of rizzu man. But because it's misbah they won't admit it.

Made his debut in 2015, simply wasn't good enough despite afridi giving him a push in 2016.

Kept getting dropped, couldn't even make his way to 2019 wc and all the sudden bam, Misbah comes in, decides to remove the greatest talent to come for pakistan since ce saeed Anwar for Rizwan so he can make him work.

Then for odi, 2 new talents come in the form of Salman Ali agha and Saud shakeel. 2 players who can replace shadab and Rizzu for good, especially when saud has a test 200 something babar hasn't even achieved in his entire career.

But because rizwan wanted no 4 and shadab no 5, it meant that neither saud or Salman could play and if they could it would be no 6 where they would slog.

3 talents have been ruined courtesy of rizwan (Tayyab, Saud and Fakhar) and 2 talents by shadab (Salman and abrar).

Bro @Rana The thread is about better batsmen keepers, not better utility players and combination gellers, since you put Carrey below rizwan on the list.

Pakistan is not the team that can ever actually gell a proper combination. Not under Babar and rizwan atleast.

 

[Rana]

Jamie Smith has played 1.2 Test matches

He is already a better keeper+batter than Rizwan.

There, I said it!

 

[Rana]

To put him so low in your list is the exaggeration.

To have him amongst the best 4-5 keepers currently in the ODI formats, like I did is accurate.

Let me give you an example.

Afghanistan’s second keeper Ikram Khalil is a better gloves man than Rizwan. He is an absolute gun behind the stumps. He’s actually a pretty neat batter too. Is that a fair comparison, Rizwan v Khalil? I don’t think Rizwan would get picked over Gurbaz

 

[mominsaigol]

Let me give you an example.

Afghanistan’s second keeper Ikram Khalil is a better gloves man than Rizwan. He is an absolute gun behind the stumps. He’s actually a pretty neat batter too. Is that a fair comparison, Rizwan v Khalil? I don’t think Rizwan would get picked over Gurbaz

After t20 wc 2024 and wc 2023. No one is picking rizzu over gurbaz

 

[Rana]

After t20 wc 2024 and wc 2023. No one is picking rizzu over gurbaz

Mate I wasn’t picking him before that too.

 

[mominsaigol]

Mate I wasn’t picking him before that too.

Ik, but I remember comments from a year back claiming rizwan > Gurbaz.

 

[Rana]

Ik, but I remember comments from a year back claiming rizwan > Gurbaz.

Pakistanis learn the hard way. They will continue in this trend of attaining knowledge.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistanis learn the hard way. They will continue in this trend of attaining knowledge.

These are the odi stats

1) Kl Rahul (avg 50)
2) Quinton (avg 45)
3) Conway (Avg 44)
4) Rizwan (Avg 40)
5) Butler (Avg 39)
6) Gurbaz (avg 39)
7) Pooran (Avg 39)
8) Carey (Avg 33)

According to Averages Rizwan is the 4th best wk in the world with Kl Rahul being the best

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Let me give you an example.

Afghanistan’s second keeper Ikram Khalil is a better gloves man than Rizwan. He is an absolute gun behind the stumps. He’s actually a pretty neat batter too. Is that a fair comparison, Rizwan v Khalil? I don’t think Rizwan would get picked over Gurbaz

I haven't seen this Ikram guy so don't know how good he is.

In Afghanistan's case if they had the option I think they would drop a batsman play Gurbaz as a batter only and bring Rizwan in as keeper bat.

 

[RyanRyan10]

These are the odi stats

1) Kl Rahul (avg 50)
2) Quinton (avg 45)
3) Conway (Avg 44)
4) Rizwan (Avg 40)
5) Butler (Avg 39)
6) Gurbaz (avg 39)
7) Pooran (Avg 39)
8) Carey (Avg 33)

According to Averages Rizwan is the 4th best wk in the world with Kl Rahul being the best

KL Rahul is a highly criticized player in India and he does deserve much of the criticism he receives. Rizwan on the other hand, seems to always be in conversations about being the GOAT.

 

[mominsaigol]

KL Rahul is a highly criticized player in India and he does deserve much of the criticism he receives. Rizwan on the other hand, seems to always be in conversations about being the GOAT.

To be fair to KL Rahul he isn't a bad player.

After wc 2023 he was dead in tears, because he truly wanted to take India over the finish line. It shows a player who is plays for his team.

On top of which I'll never forget the thrashing he gave to pakistan in Asia Cup. He's a gun player however he just does not have the tournament mentality that someone like rohit has, aka being committed to win something

The only issue I have is that Dravid made alot of concessions to place Rahul on the team. Once he failed as an opener, he was given the no 5 position and it could have been utilised by someone else.

Rahul is 1000x better then rizwan at any stage of his career.

Rizwan on the other hand doesn't play for his team, only player who seemed to play their heart out in the cup was naseem shah, the rest either felt like outsiders or Just the same bhegerat mentality that Babar, Rizwan, Shadab and Chacha usually portray.

 

[Rana]

Shai Hope has entered the building!

16 hundreds in 130 odd ODIs. Currently playing as a keeper.

He’s definitely one of the best in the world, a top class top 4 batsman!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shai Hope has entered the building!

16 hundreds in 130 odd ODIs. Currently playing as a keeper.

He’s definitely one of the best in the world, a top class top 4 batsman!

17 hundreds. He's got to be the best. Carried a very weak lineup for years.

 

[Rana]

This is going to be one of the legendary threads of PP. Like the Imam vs KL Rahul thread.

Is it really?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

in ODIs i will definitely go with Quinton De Kock as he is the best in this format who can win u game from any position.

 

[mominsaigol]

in ODIs i will definitely go with Quinton De Kock as he is the best in this format who can win u game from any position.

Qdk and Butler are the 2 best in whiteball with Pant being the best in test.

But I believe qdk is retired and Butler is probs going to retire in a couple years as well.

 

[Rana]

Uth oye Sanju Samson!

 

[TeymurBlake]

I know the sample size isn't great & huge but I rate Alex Carey, comes in at times difficult circumstances & manages to get some runs.

 

[shamaan]

Buttler

 

[Bewal Express]

Buttler

Not WK but as batter who keeps. Riz is the best WK, Smith and Pants are the best batters and when you combine the 2, then it's a toss up.

 

[shamaan]

Not WK but as batter who keeps. Riz is the best WK, Smith and Pants are the best batters and when you combine the 2, then it's a toss up.

Yes I agree Rizwan is proberly the best keeper however I think Buttler is the best batter out of the lot pluss he still keeps

 

[Kianig89]

There is a gem in Pakistan domestic name Rohail Nazir hopefully the world will soon witness his charisma and aura as a wicketkeeper batsman

An amalgam of Sangakarra Dhoni & Buttler he is

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is probably one of the best white ball keeper+batsmen from the associate nations right now.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan is probably one of the best white ball keeper+batsmen from the associate nations right now.

Pretty sure the associate teams can play faster then him

 

[Rana]

There is a gem in Pakistan domestic name Rohail Nazir hopefully the world will soon witness his charisma and aura as a wicketkeeper batsman

An amalgam of Sangakarra Dhoni & Buttler he is

He’s well equipped to bat at any position instead of looking like a circus clown at number 4.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a gem in Pakistan domestic name Rohail Nazir hopefully the world will soon witness his charisma and aura as a wicketkeeper batsman

An amalgam of Sangakarra Dhoni & Buttler he is

I got accused of being a liar when I reminded a certain poster of advocating Rohail. Then he called me a faggot for having the audacity to keep reminding this poster.

 

[Rana]

Alhamdolillah, with the help of the ignore button, I can write whatever I want. Jis ko tappana chahta hoo tappa sakta hoo, and I don’t have to care about what they write about me as a response

Great facility. Thank you mods, love you

 

[shaz619]

Rizwan is probably one of the best white ball keeper+batsmen from the associate nations right now.

QOTW

 

[Mamoon]

Alhamdolillah, with the help of the ignore button, I can write whatever I want. Jis ko tappana chahta hoo tappa sakta hoo, and I don’t have to care about what they write about me as a response

Great facility. Thank you mods, love you

Only people who are scared of others put people on ignore list. You don’t have the courage to debate them which is why you prefer to hide, but carry on.

 

[shaz619]

I will say Butler, seeing this thread am starting to miss the lad, what a player, I wish there was a way for all to appreciate what they have in the good days until they are over.

People hating on Butler though is now understandable as it’s reflected in the mediocrity they support.

 

[Mamoon]

Some posters were hyping Inglis to the moon and making him sit on their heads just so that they could criticize Rizwan.

He is nothing special and I wouldn’t have him over Rizwan in my team.

 

[Rana]

Only people who are scared of others put people on ignore list. You don’t have the courage to debate them which is why you prefer to hide, but carry on.

No. Only people who are worried about the menace they can unleash upon others eventually access the ignore facility.

I was raised to respect people as equals, but lately I have been letting myself down. It’s better to just do what I do. You can all kiss my tashreef.

 

[Mamoon]

No. Only people who are worried about the menace they can unleash upon others eventually access the ignore facility.

I was raised to respect people as equals, but lately I have been letting myself down. It’s better to just do what I do. You can all kiss my tashreef.

I seriously doubt that based on your conduct over the years.

 

[mominsaigol]

Some posters were hyping Inglis to the moon and making him sit on their heads just so that they could criticize Rizwan.

He is nothing special and I wouldn’t have him over Rizwan in my team.

Inglis has been outperforming rizzu in 2024 in whiteball cricket. That's why.

He went from a tail ender to a no 4 whiteball batter.

Look at their performances from this year.

People don't understand that rizwan just like Babar has hit a slump.

Him avg 19 to 30 with the lowest Sr amongst any team atm isn't a one off. It's been happening throughout 2024.

It is a genuine topic of discussion. It's not as outlandish as you think.

Inglis's career is on an upwards trajectory with him being considered a future captaincy option for Australia and he got promoted from no 7 to no 4.

Rizwan in terms of status is gaining momentum, in terms of batting he's declining. In terms of keeping he's improved.

 

[mominsaigol]

I will say Butler, seeing this thread am starting to miss the lad, what a player, I wish there was a way for all to appreciate what they have in the good days until they are over.

People hating on Butler though is now understandable as it’s reflected in the mediocrity they support.

People hating on Butler though is now understandable as it’s reflected in the mediocrity they support.

Who on earth said this? Their people who actually dislike Butler's style of keeping and batting? . I'm not surprised though. Lots of such comments are being spread on this forumn.

 

[Rana]

I seriously doubt that based on your conduct over the years.

I am a harsh reaction towards those who ask for it. It’s too brutal, it’s pretty evil I admit. Maybe I will go to hell for the trauma I have caused to RizBar fans.

But for every action, there will be a reaction. Just the way it is.

 

[Mamoon]

I am a harsh reaction towards those who ask for it. It’s too brutal, it’s pretty evil I admit. Maybe I will go to hell for the trauma I have caused to RizBar fans.

But for every action, there will be a reaction. Just the way it is.

You are definitely going to Hell but not for supporting rubbish cricketers Amir, Sharjeel, Imad, Azam, Asif, Haris etc. don’t worry.

 

[Rana]

You are definitely going to Hell but not for supporting rubbish cricketers Amir, Sharjeel, Imad, Azam, Asif, Haris etc. don’t worry.

I’m going to hell for arguing Shaheen is the 3rd best seamer from Pakistan since Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.

 

[Mamoon]

Inglis has been outperforming rizzu in 2024 in whiteball cricket. That's why.

He went from a tail ender to a no 4 whiteball batter.

Look at their performances from this year.

People don't understand that rizwan just like Babar has hit a slump.

Him avg 19 to 30 with the lowest Sr amongst any team atm isn't a one off. It's been happening throughout 2024.

It is a genuine topic of discussion. It's not as outlandish as you think.

Inglis's career is on an upwards trajectory with him being considered a future captaincy option for Australia and he got promoted from no 7 to no 4.

Rizwan in terms of status is gaining momentum, in terms of batting he's declining. In terms of keeping he's improved.

You can Inglis in your team, I would stick with Rizwan. We will see what happens in the future, but based on their careers so far, Rizwan has been clearly better and Inglis has done nothing worthy of note.

Australia’s inability to produce an elite WK batsman post Gilchrist remains a mystery.

 

[Mamoon]

I’m going to hell for arguing Shaheen is the 3rd best seamer from Pakistan since Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.

Since Imran and Wasim. Don’t sneak that ball tampering beneficiary into the top 3.

 

[mominsaigol]

You can Inglis in your team, I would stick with Rizwan. We will see what happens in the future, but based on their careers so far, Rizwan has been clearly better and Inglis has done nothing worthy of note.

Australia’s inability to produce an elite WK batsman post Gilchrist remains a mystery.

I'm fine with this take. Genuinely I am, if you look at my post from last year. Where I made the joke team of the tournament wc 2023 thread.

Inglis is on that list as a wk batter cause he was garbage in that cup.

I'm just saying inglis outperformed rizzu in 2024. Tbf rizzu has better performances in 2023. Inglis only came into the picture recently.

Before 2024 he wasn't viewed as a batsmen. He's been grinding it locally which is why he's a no 4 now.

 

[Rana]

Since Imran and Wasim. Don’t sneak that ball tampering beneficiary into the top 3.

What about my hate for Saim Ayub and wanting him to fail as an opener?

 

[Rana]

You can Inglis in your team, I would stick with Rizwan. We will see what happens in the future, but based on their careers so far, Rizwan has been clearly better and Inglis has done nothing worthy of note.

Australia’s inability to produce an elite WK batsman post Gilchrist remains a mystery.

Yes, Pakistan produced Gilchrist after Australia did, yet Australia won 2x50 over World Cup’s after Gilchrist retired, and Pakistan hasn’t won anything unfortunately.

The bigger mystery is, how does Pakistan have Gilchrist’s reincarnation yet they cannot beat Afghanistan?

 

[Mamoon]

What about my hate for Saim Ayub and wanting him to fail as an opener?

I don’t hate Saim. Why would I hate him? He has done nothing to attract hate.

I hate the fans who make excuses for him. Saim has failed in 99% of the matches that he has played so far and he alone is responsible for that failure. Similarly, he alone is responsible for his success as well, for example the second ODI.

Fans who make excuses for their favorites are the reason why players don’t responsibility for their performances.

 

[Rana]

I don’t hate Saim. Why would I hate him? He has done nothing to attract hate.

He became a 3rd wheel in the love story of Babar and Rizwan. Like Rani Mukherjee in kuch kuch hota hai. Of course you hate him for breaking up the duo

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim need to play more innings of this caliber. Regardless a pakistani opener taking Australia to the cleaners in their own den is an impressive feat even if you take his garbage past performances into account.

I went from wanting saim ayub booted to wanting to play him in all formats because a talentless hack can't just bully Australia in Australia.

However he needs to improve. Age isn't an excuse.

Similarly Babar and rizwan need to be more responsible now. This rough patch has lasted 2 nearly 3 years for bobby and for rizzu it's lasted for atleast a year now.

Regardless rizwan even pre rough patch was medicore. Babar pre patch wasn't medicore and was a decent batsmen.

 

[Rana]

Saim need to play more innings of this caliber. Regardless a pakistani opener taking Australia to the cleaners in their own den is an impressive feat even if you take his garbage past performances into account.

I went from wanting saim ayub booted to wanting to play him in all formats because a talentless hack can't just bully Australia in Australia.

However he needs to improve. Age isn't an excuse.

Similarly Babar and rizwan need to be more responsible now. This rough patch has lasted 2 nearly 3 years for bobby and for rizzu it's lasted for atleast a year now.

Regardless rizwan even pre rough patch was medicore. Babar pre patch wasn't medicore and was a decent batsmen.

He just needs to be himself. He will deliver.

 

[Mamoon]

He became a 3rd wheel in the love story of Babar and Rizwan. Like Rani Mukherjee in kuch kuch hota hai. Of course you hate him for breaking up the duo

He replaced Babar as T20I opener only to bat at a lower SR than Babar.