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Who is currently the world’s best keeper-batter in ODIs?

QDK definitely but he mentioned he wanted to retire from ODI after this World Cup.

After QDK, I would say it is Gurbaz.
 
Important to note that the ODI WC Final on that slow pitch demonstrated why specialist keepers can be so valuable at times compared to part time keepers like Rahul. He gave away a ridiculous number of runs missing the ball simply because he doesn’t have the experience of keeping on such pitches. Someone like Rizwan, or de Kock, or really any other keeper that keeps full time could probably have saved 15-20 runs early on.
 
160KPH said:
Important to note that the ODI WC Final on that slow pitch demonstrated why specialist keepers can be so valuable at times compared to part time keepers like Rahul. He gave away a ridiculous number of runs missing the ball simply because he doesn’t have the experience of keeping on such pitches. Someone like Rizwan, or de Kock, or really any other keeper that keeps full time could probably have saved 15-20 runs early on.
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Yes Rizwan therefore is the GOAT ODI keeper batsman of our age
 
Rahul certainly does not qualify to be the best wicket-keeper batter right now.
 
He’s not the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world as players like Butler, de Kock exist. However does that really matter, you would take any of those sort of guys as batsmen alone.

Whats more important is how he compares to the rest of our team. Hes our best t20 batsman, 3rd best ODI after Babar and Fakhar. Tests he’s probably around 3rd/4th. All of that despite not being a specialist batsman and a very good keeper. Rizwan currently could play as a specialist batsman in the Pakistan team if he wanted to. The fact he’s a great keeper on top is terrific for us.

Performance with the bat when comparing keepers it’s kind of irrelevant. It matters more how it stacks up with the rest of your batsman in the team, which Rizwan does well. What is more relevant is how their keeping stacks up against other international keepers, which Rizwan does pretty well there. As only one guy keeps.

The reason why Kamran got flack even though his batting was still statistically worse than most of the other Pakistan batsmen, his keeping was really bad compared to other international keepers.
 
how in the world is rizwan the best wk in t20? That's ridiculous. Just because I'm an ind supporter if someone says klrahul is the best t20 wicket keeper - I would so laugh them off. Not disrespecting but just being truthful and honest. There are a few better t20 wicket keepers than rizwan that I can state -
Jo's Butler(not in the best form right now currently agreed but he's been good for so long and will come back better for t20s)
Qdk, klaasen, ishan, pooran, even bairstow.. in t20 you need high strike rate impactful knocks not run a ball 50s..no settling down bus6or anchoring selfish business...
 
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160KPH said:
Important to note that the ODI WC Final on that slow pitch demonstrated why specialist keepers can be so valuable at times compared to part time keepers like Rahul. He gave away a ridiculous number of runs missing the ball simply because he doesn’t have the experience of keeping on such pitches. Someone like Rizwan, or de Kock, or really any other keeper that keeps full time could probably have saved 15-20 runs early on.
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Rizwan’s glove work has been poor for a very long time but he keeps getting away with it because of the perception that he is a very good keeper.

He was a very good keeper when he was competing with Sarfaraz but over the last 18 months or so, his keeping has declined probably because his priorities have changed.

He is now more focused on faking injuries and maintaining his public image.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Rizwan never achieved this ranking by playing "luddo"

obviously he has some skills which is the reason why he is on top of the chart.
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Rizwan on that list devalues the other deserving players who truly are great T20i batsmen. Sorry, he is nowhere near the top T20 and white ball players of the world.

If Rizwan really is the best T20i keeper batsmen in the world…then International cricket really is finished
 
Rana said:
Rizwan on that list devalues the other deserving players who truly are great T20i batsmen. Sorry, he is nowhere near the top T20 and white ball players of the world.

If Rizwan really is the best T20i keeper batsmen in the world…then International cricket really is finished
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Then there's no point in having these cricket rankings.

We can place anyone on top based on whom we like the most.
 
I would argue, that even at their current age…if the following guys return to playing international cricket…they would still be better keeper+batsmen than Rizwan..

1. AB Devilliers
2. Adam Gilchrist
3. Kumar Sangakara
4. MS Dhoni

Even right now, at the age of 40+ they would still be better than Rizwan. Oh it’s true…it’s Damn true!
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Then there's no point in having these cricket rankings.

We can place anyone on top based on whom we like the most.
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Yes.

The only rankings that are correct are the Test Rankings. Besides that, everything is questionable. None of the current best players of the world chase world rankings in white ball cricket as their ultimate goal.

Only Pakistani players do. Especially the ones represented by Saya Corps
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Then there's no point in having these cricket rankings.

We can place anyone on top based on whom we like the most.
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These icc rankings mean jack honestly.. all it says is that these are good batsmen that's all..
travis head is not in the top 10 odi rankings but it doesn't mean anything.. babar azam is at 2 above kohli warner Darrell mitchell... Harry tecter of ireland is at number 9 above travis head, maxwell, conway, klaasen , miller etc... so take these rankings with a grain of salt.
 
deltexas said:
These icc rankings mean jack honestly.. all it says is that these are good batsmen that's all..
travis head is not in the top 10 odi rankings but it doesn't mean anything.. babar azam is at 2 above kohli warner Darrell mitchell... Harry tecter of ireland is at number 9 above travis head, maxwell, conway, klaasen , miller etc... so take these rankings with a grain of salt.
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Exactly my point! one good tournament can't get you above someone who performed well throughout the year.

That is the case with most of ur examples given above.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Exactly my point! one good tournament can't get you above someone who performed well throughout the year.

That is the case with most of ur examples given above.
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It's tough to generalize because a lot of players play odis selectively. Gill is number 1 in odi ramkings- I dont agree with that. Rankings don't take into account quality of opposition, nature of odis bilaterals or ko events, pressure knocks or not.. yes it indicates they are good batsmen agree with that but not they are absolutely number 1 or 2 or 3rd best... it's a guideline..
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan’s glove work has been poor for a very long time but he keeps getting away with it because of the perception that he is a very good keeper.

He was a very good keeper when he was competing with Sarfaraz but over the last 18 months or so, his keeping has declined probably because his priorities have changed.

He is now more focused on faking injuries and maintaining his public image.
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His keeping skills are not as good as they were at his peak, but he’s still world class behind the stumps - certainly better than Rahul. In general, teams seem to favor the batting skills of wicket keepers over their actual keeping skills these days.

I have no clue how good Ishan Kishan is behind the stumps, but if he’s a specialist, it’s very likely he could have saved a significant amount of runs.
 
Current best keeper-batter in ODI is Shai Hope or Rizwan probably.

Once Pant recovers, he can be a great contender for it also.
 
Rizwan has been fantastic atm so he will find his name among the best. Quinton has retired but yes, he is one of the guys who will be in my list (current one)
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Exactly my point! one good tournament can't get you above someone who performed well throughout the year.

That is the case with most of ur examples given above.
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The rankings are meaningless and beyond subjective. The people making these rankings are similar to people like us, their just opinions at the end of the day.

The rankings claiming babar is ranked > kohli cannot be deemed accurate considering so far kohli has consistently outperformed babar in every tournament minus the final against India in 2017 where babar outscored him and kohli went early and the 2021 game where kohli played worse.

Throughout 2022 and 2023 for 2 years in a row kohli has consistently been superior to babar anytime they've come and played an icc tournament, yet the rankings claim babar is ahead when he's clearly not given anytime they play in an equal setting kohli is just better.

It's the same with shubman Gill, Gill is not No 1, you can argue that he is, but in the tournament where he reached no 1 and gained the ranking for the first time ever, in that very tournament de kock scored 4 centuries, rachin ravindra scored I believe 3 and both outdid him as openers, rohit sharma also just played decently better them Gill did through and through.

These rankings are beyond meaningless and don't take into account anything.

These rankings just award points to anyone that performs without taking into account no of matches missed, quakity of bowlers faced, pitches etc etc.

If babar played 12 matches in a year against Canada and scored and kohli played 12 matches in a year against Australia and failed in a few of them, icc would give more points to babar, never taking into account that the opposition that babar faced was 100x easier then the opposition kohli was facing.
 
Again, this thread is not about Babar Azam, is he a keeper? No
Virat is a keeper? No. why are we making every thread about Babar vs the rest of the world? Stay on topic, please.
 
It's between KL Rahul, Mohammad Rizwan and Heinrich Klaasen.

I think Rahul had better World Cup of the three with an average of 75.
 
shamaan said:
I think its between Buttler,Rizwan,Pant.
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Butler is close to retirement. He is no longer as good as before.

I think the choices now are Shai Hope, Klaasen, Mushfiq, Kusal Mendis, Gurbaz, and Rizwan.

Pant didn't do that great in ODI. Most of his good performances came in Test. So, he is probably not in the contention yet.
 
sweep_shot said:
Butler is close to retirement. He is no longer as good as before.

I think the choices now are Shai Hope, Klaasen, Mushfiq, Kusal Mendis, Gurbaz, and Rizwan.

Pant didn't do that great in ODI. Most of his good performances came in Test. So, he is probably not in the contention yet.
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Buttler is 3 years younger than Mushfiq and Mushfiq can't score against top attacks anymore.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Buttler is 3 years younger than Mushfiq and Mushfiq can't score against top attacks anymore.
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OK. If you want to remove Mushfiq, I have no issue.

Mushfiq has close to 8,000 ODI runs. I thought he should've been there.

Anyway, I think best ODI keeper-batter right now is Rizwan, Klaasen, or Shai Hope.
 
sweep_shot said:
OK. If you want to remove Mushfiq, I have no issue.

Mushfiq has close to 8,000 ODI runs. I thought he should've been there.

Anyway, I think best ODI keeper-batter right now is Rizwan, Klaasen, or Shai Hope.
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Mushfiqur was a good player until that ton against Australia in 2019 World Cup.

He has only bashed minnows/SL/WI after that.

If you are excluding Buttler for his decline then Mushfiqur has to be excluded as well. Bangladesh plays a lot of cricket against SL, WI and other minnows where guys can statpad
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Mushfiqur was a good player until that ton against Australia in 2019 World Cup.

He has only bashed minnows/SL/WI after that.

If you are excluding Buttler for his decline then Mushfiqur has to be excluded as well. Bangladesh plays a lot of cricket against SL, WI and other minnows where guys can statpad
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Go ahead and exclude Mushfiq. I don't mind really.

I told you that I thought Rizwan, Shai Hope, or Klaasen was the best keeper-batter currently.
 
They are all average. Nobody is an impact player like Gilchrist. Hope and Rahul are specialist batsmen who converted into keepers. Pant was really getting good when he met with accident. Made a brilliant match winning 125 at Manchester when India was 72/4.
 
sweep_shot said:
Useless stats.

Those who watch ODI regularly wouldn't put Rahul among top 3 probably.
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Sorry. Thats a very subjective criterion. I could just as easily say that someone who watches cricket would never put Klaasen and Mushi in that list since Klaasen barely keeps and Mushi is poor.
 
The battle for best keeper batsman is probably between KL Rahul and Heinrich Klaasen. I think these are top two given that Qdk has retired.

My pick would be Heinrich Klaasen although I can understand if someone else pick KL Rahul. I just have my bias over Klaasen because he is just a dominant player of spin bowling and scores fast vs pace as well.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Sorry. Thats a very subjective criterion. I could just as easily say that someone who watches cricket would never put Klaasen and Mushi in that list since Klaasen barely keeps and Mushi is poor.
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I think it is time to put you on ignore.

I didn't put Mushi among top 5. I just said he was an option (along with 5 other guys).
 
These Indians are mad I didn't include any Indian. LOL.

In their own delusional world, only Indians are #1 in everything.
 
Ab Fan said:
The battle for best keeper batsman is probably between KL Rahul and Heinrich Klaasen. I think these are top two given that Qdk has retired.

My pick would be Heinrich Klaasen although I can understand if someone else pick KL Rahul. I just have my bias over Klaasen because he is just a dominant player of spin bowling and scores fast vs pace as well.
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Klassen is world no.10 ranked batsman. So he is going to be the choice.
 
sweep_shot said:
These Indians are mad I didn't include any Indian. LOL.

In their own delusional world, only Indians are #1 in everything.
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Madness is bringing in Mushfiqur as an option and not even considering KL in the Top 3. After QDK's retirement, there's no clear #1 but KL's case is certainly arguable
 
Nikhil_cric said:
QDK was keeper not Klaassen?
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You are right. Technically he was a specialist batsman when he made those runs. So basically at this point nobody stands out. At peak of powers Buttler would be a genuine match winner. But he looked awful in the world cup. Everyone else is not worth it.
 
12 month record against top 6 teams by a designated wicket keeper

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Shai hope, mendis, and Rizwan will definitely be on the list for me currently. All of these players are in good form.
 
Kushal Mendis was in great form. Moment they made him captain after Shanaka's exit due to injury his performance suffered a massive dip.
 
Depends on how much you weigh wicket keeping skills.

Lots of part time keepers now a days who don’t have as good skills at wicket keeping but provide an improvement in the batting. It does not matter much in flat pitches, but when the pitch is doing a lot you see the benefit of full time keepers.
 
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