- Joined
- Aug 29, 2023
- Runs
- 24,746
Rizwan on number 9 is very harsh. He should easily be in top 5 if recent form is to be considered. Carey and Das above rizwan is not fair tbh
-
Contact the PP Team
Who is currently the world’s best keeper-batter in ODIs?
- Thread starter Rana
- Start date
CerebralPatriot
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Aug 19, 2023
- Runs
- 1,180
Das has played some outstanding innings in the past. He is a true striker of the ball and if he was playing for a team that wasn't so overly reliant on him at the top than his output would be even greater
I agree that an argument can be made for Carey however I do remember a couple of times where he has played some clutch knocks and as such I have him at 8
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
But Rizwan over Butler, DeQock, Conway, Mendis, Gurbaz is fair?
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2023
- Runs
- 24,746
Over Gurbaz and Mendis I believe yes. I said top 5 not on the number 1 spot bro.
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
Might be one of the worst lists I’ve ever seen
DeadlyVenom
Senior ODI Player
- Joined
- Jul 17, 2010
- Runs
- 24,912
- Post of the Week
- 1
Interesting to see the types of people that Rizwan has riled up......
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
If you're considering all forms then rizzu is > Carey and Das easily. Carey and das are more impactful though, Rizzu is the soft run scoring realm
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
People who watch cricket. Not just Pakistan play
Aseem_Khan
Debutant
- Joined
- Oct 3, 2023
- Runs
- 111
Rizwan chased against a team that is yet to win a game in worldcup playing with his c string a bowlers and that there was 3 anchors of that chase, Abdullah (Most deserving), Rizwan (Player a very fine knock, Pathi-Rana(
), Don't overhype him unnecessarily.
He haven't anything jaw-dropping, I will wait before rating him let him win a game against Sena or india ( Like Gurbaz Did)
Srilanka is great team but not now their bowling attacking is even worst in this world cup than Netherland, Even they Didn't concede 428.
So wait and watch if he wins you a game than he may deserve all this glory.
), Don't overhype him unnecessarily. He haven't anything jaw-dropping, I will wait before rating him let him win a game against Sena or india ( Like Gurbaz Did)
Srilanka is great team but not now their bowling attacking is even worst in this world cup than Netherland, Even they Didn't concede 428.
So wait and watch if he wins you a game than he may deserve all this glory.
owenhcricket
Tape Ball Regular
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2023
- Runs
- 418
Those disrespecting Rizwan must be such sad individuals, the main man has averaged 46 with the bat and sr of almost 90 since the end of the last CW while this year alone he is averaging 73 with a sr of 93, including one of the great modern ODI centuries in the highest ever world cup chase.
That's the batting sorted, how about the keeping? Well he has the second highest number of dismissals in ODIs this year.
So at the moment he is definitely the best keeper bat going, in a team which has sort of imploded from the Asia Cup till now.
That's the batting sorted, how about the keeping? Well he has the second highest number of dismissals in ODIs this year.
So at the moment he is definitely the best keeper bat going, in a team which has sort of imploded from the Asia Cup till now.
topspin
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 12,922
- Post of the Week
- 1
We need to add Scott Edwards here as well. How do you rate his knock compared to the one we saw from Rizwan against Sri Lanka?
Technics 1210
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2019
- Runs
- 14,632
I would not bother.
I mean I get that fans criticise Rizwan when he does not perform, but when he does, 131* for example, the "We want the best for Pakistan" fans truly go the entire mile by joining forces with arch rival fans (Indians) in undermining, ridiculing, and abusing their own countrymen.
If this is an example of "We want the best", I can only shudder to think what "We want the worst" would look like.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Rizwan has done more so far tbh bro
But that was an ATG innings for Netherlands no doubt
topspin
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 12,922
- Post of the Week
- 1
For me it was a superior innings. Netherlands were gone for all money when he came in at 82/5. He delivered an ATG knock against a quality bowling attack.
- Joined
- Sep 11, 2023
- Runs
- 26,169
I'm impressed with aggressive approach of Kusal Mendis. I reckon , He will do something big for Srilanka in this world cup.
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
The dude is a gun keeper and a decent bat. Comparing him to quinton, Butler or Conway then you're out of your mind
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,462
- Post of the Week
- 8
He definitely has won supporters by feasting on minnows.
Never knew there were so many fans who supported mediocrity in Pakistan.
owenhcricket
Tape Ball Regular
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2023
- Runs
- 418
The dude is a gun keeper and a decent bat. Comparing him to quinton, Butler or Conway then you're out of your mind
Butler has the superior career overall no doubt but in this moment, Rizwan is better.
QDK is the king of soft runs and we saw that last night, and he is not as good a keeper.
Conway being brought up is funny, but good work modi.
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
Butler 2023 before this world cup averaged 74 with a sr of 106 amd that too batting at no 6 and this was against quality bowling smacking A string south africa. Rizzu even while bullying 2nd string sides such as NZ and 1st string afg avg 69 and a sr of 91. Only in this world cup his sr increased due to that Sri lanka game which is the worst bowling team in the tournament.
He's only out performed Butler in 3 games this year whereas the rest rizzu has played 12 games and butler played 8 in 2023 before workd cup and butler was superior.
Those 3 games are a metric to determine rizzu is better? What are you on about.
Wait rizzu is not the king of soft runs but quinton is? Rizzu has been playing d string attack all year with Sri lanka having injured players and missing like 90% of their unit in the current world cup, and nedtherlands is another minnow. He still vanished and had a horrific innings against India, it was clear he was playing for that 50.
QDK destroyed Austrilia and butchered Sri lanka far more them rizzu did, how is that soft run scoring, he just failed one game against medtherlands, how did he chock? Failing is not chocking lol, a chock is what rizwan did in the asia cup final where he scored 55 of 47 amd let sri lanka win despite sri lanka starting of with 11 wides, the target was 170, but because Sri lanka just gave us 11 wides of the bat, the target was 159. Besides the Sri lanka game this world cup, rizwan has been scoring soft runs this entire year?
How is Conway being brought up funny?
owenhcricket
Tape Ball Regular
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2023
- Runs
- 418
The dude is a gun keeper and a decent bat. Comparing him to quinton, Butler or Conway then you're out of your mind
It just hit me and I thought, no, modi on pakpassion cant be THIS stupid so I just looked it up...Conway has not even been a keeper in ODIs...end of discussion, I won't be replying to any of your posts as you're just a troll.
Bye modi!
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
Conway is an occasional wicket keeper lol, he's a backup to latham and philips
.Secondly how am I a troll and how does this invalidate my arguments made for Butler or qdk. Or are you just a rizzu fanboy and I pressed your buttons Mr Modi.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Henriech Klaasen
Definitely one of the best in the world.
Definitely one of the best in the world.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Believe me, this is the correct rankings
CerebralPatriot
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Aug 19, 2023
- Runs
- 1,180
Are reserve keepers being counted for?
If so than I'd go with:
1. De Kock
2. Rahul
3. Butler
4. Klassen
5. Conway
6. Gurbaz
7. Kishan
8. Samawickrawa
9. Mendis
10. Scott Edwards
11. Mushfiqur
12. Das
13. Inglis
14. Haris
15. Carey
16. Rizwan
Mamoon
ATG
- Joined
- Sep 3, 2012
- Runs
- 104,989
- Post of the Week
- 12
Great list but don’t sleep on Rishabh Pant.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
He needs to get back in, of course he will be right up there in the top 5-10 as soon as he is back and playing regularly
Quite a few are not even keeping wicket regularly and play more as a specialist batsmen. Rizwan is easily top 5 all format considered.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Is it anyone’s fault that they have picked 2-3 guys in their 15 that are keepers??
Seems like there’s two different conservations happening, if you’re talking overall career of the current keepers then Buttler has been the best but on current form he’s playing maybe the worst out of all of them. Absolutely horrible batting and zero game awareness.
Are you only talking about batting but also wicket keeping ability? As in, who is the best wicket keeper batsmen or the best batsmen who is also a wicket keeper?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
If that’s the case then why even make a list? You might as well just make a list of the best batsmen and it would be the exact same thing.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
So Kohli, RVD and Kane keep wickets? Should I have added them in the list?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Rizwan is a better batter or keeper than Klaasen?
The best keeper batter of all time is undoubtedly ABD by your criteria lmao
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Yeah I recon he is still a better keeper+Batter right now in comparison to plenty being hyped as the best
The link you sent is requiring me to login and I do not have an account. But Rizwan is certainly a better keeper than than de Kock and de Kock is keeping over Klaasen.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
How is Rizwan definitely a better keeper? He takes more catches+stumpings?
He knows how to read reviews better? What is your parameter in identifying keeping skills?
Hard for me to quantify if I’m being honest with you, I don’t think cricket stats have caught up to being able to measure it. I think it’s really just the eye test, like we could all watch and see how great of a keeper Dohni was. Fair enough if you disagree though as there’s no real way to measure.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Exactly, it’s down to a matter of perception.
Can you honestly tell me that Rizwan is an asset to his side when it comes to DRS reviews?
Oh he’s terrible at taking reviews
it’s definitely a negative against him, I was thinking more about keeping ability behind the stumps but I agree that in modern cricket knowing when to take a review should definitely be part of it
topspin
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 12,922
- Post of the Week
- 1
This is nothing to write home about. Only 12 teams are full ICC members and therefore eligible to play all 3 formats. Also how many wicket-keepers play all 3 formats?
Being top 5 across all formats merely makes him top 50%.
With all due respect, this just reeks of small team mentality. We should have higher standards than that.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Taking reviews in the modern era is a massive part of the game. Your keeper plays a pivotal role.Oh he’s terrible at taking reviews
-Rizwan can’t read the line of the ball
-Rizwan can’t judge the height of the ball
-Rizwan can’t understand if their was a clear inside edge or not
-Rizwan doesn’t have the cojones to tell our illiterate bowlers that the ball is clearly missing the stumps and we will lose a review if we go for it.
All of these factors alone make him one of the worst keepers in the game. Yes he does take the odd Gun catch or stumping, plus saves lots of byes/wides with good stretches. But that’s standard, every keeper is doing this for his international side.
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
Disagree a bit on the 2nd part. In terms of keeping he saved alot of boundaries that have gone over the batsmen head, he's also taken a few good high flyers. That's not something Butler can do nor does quinton do it as consistently as he does.
In terms of Drs he's beyond clueless though. Like how can you not tell if the batsmen edged it or not? You're standing like 2 feet away from him and have the closest view to the bat?
In tests? Pant easily is the best ever I have seen. He is that good. Better than kohli rohit and all the others. Pure match winner.
I wish we had a player like pant. Special talent.
In odi? Rizzu bhai kl Rahul or buttler or qdk?
Off late I must say qdk and then kl Rahul.
In t20 rizzu
I wish we had a player like pant. Special talent.
In odi? Rizzu bhai kl Rahul or buttler or qdk?
Off late I must say qdk and then kl Rahul.
In t20 rizzu
Ab Fan
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2015
- Runs
- 27,124
Add Klaasen also in ODIs and T20s.
Klaasen isn't keeping is he?? Thought it's qdk.
This tournament we have seen so many players not do their secondary job. Stokes barely bowls. Marsh doesn't want to bowl.
Klaasen not keeping.
Ishan not keeping.
Ab Fan
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2015
- Runs
- 27,124
Any of these :-
Aus - None
SA - Qdk, Klaasen
Eng - Buttler, Bairstow
Ind - Pant, KLR, Kishan
Pak - Rizwan
Aus - None
SA - Qdk, Klaasen
Eng - Buttler, Bairstow
Ind - Pant, KLR, Kishan
Pak - Rizwan
Ab Fan
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2015
- Runs
- 27,124
Okay then
Ind - Rahul
SA - Qdk
Eng - Buttler
Pak - Rizwan
These 4. Latham is clutch but not good ODI stats.
Sounds about right. Might put qdk over Rahul for me though. KL mentally weak guy has to perform in ko. But then qdk himself is bad there. Batting wise both are somewhat similar but qdk is a better keeper in my opinion.
Last edited by a moderator:
Pant best keeper and also best batmsan in tests no doubt. He is way better than any other proper batsman when fit.
In odi though he is lax and doesn't try hard. Not sure if he starts tbh but perhaps as a pure batsman he might just wreak havoc if given the task to do a job like head.
If they were very good keepers they would be keeping for their teams. Secondly when you are tasked with only one duty then you focus on that duty alone, so almost 100% of your time is spent on batting practise and analysing that skill. Pakistan for sure can produce better hitter than Rizwan and guys with more strokes but there keeping will not be as good and they will not be as consistent in scoring as Rizwan is. I am not against groomin likes of Haseeb Ullah for future but atm there is no replacement for Rizwan so why are we arguing against him?
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2023
- Runs
- 18,411
Give the Keeping gloves to Klaasen so easily he can become a number 1 wicketkeeping batter by miles.
He will not play same inning after keeping for 50 overs and SA being 30 for 3 .
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Yeah as if Rizwan is better than Gurbaz!
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2023
- Runs
- 18,411
He's incredibly fit guy and can take on in any situation.
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2023
- Runs
- 18,411
Rizwan is more consistent as compare to Gurbaz.
Gurbaz is an impact player so he cant be that much consistent as rizwan is.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Consistent against who? Sri Lanka and B string sides?
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2023
- Runs
- 18,411
We can't put this defeat on Rizwan.
He is one of the leading run scorer in this World Cup and consistently delivers in almost every game.
This all mess goes on the bad captaincy and poor bowling.
topspin
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 12,922
- Post of the Week
- 1
Time for most Pakistan fans on here to come to terms that Rizwan is an inferior batsman to Gurbaz, who scored an excellent half century at a strike rate in excess of 120. That's the pace you should bat if you want to stamp your authority on your opposition. He managed to do it without taking too much risk, partly because of how bad Pakistan's bowling and captaincy was during the game. But nonetheless it was a wonderful knock in a high run chase.
Gurbaz >> Rizwan
Gurbaz >> Rizwan
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
I remember previously we had a discussion about rankings where I placed rizzu Low but I tied rizzu and gurbaz saying rizzu is more consistent but gurbaz is more impactful.
I'm here to say you were right, and I need to place gurbaz higher
. Rizzu is proving to be an inferior version of chacha. Chacha atleast bashes minnows. Rizzu accumulates 100's against minnows 
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
Rizwan only knows how to accumulate against minnows. He's worse then chacha.
Chacha maybe medicore but atleast the guy bashes minnows and can attack and plays for the team.
The only player in our playing 11 who isn't spineless is a 40 year old has Been
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
DeQock 3 World Cup hundreds in 5 games
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
But then why do Rizwan fans have to lie to the world that he is the best in the world?
When Klaasen does it: “but Klaasen doesn’t keep wickets”
Now DeQock does it, what’s the excuse?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Is it really?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
He will be remembered as the greatest con artist in the history of the game
Mamoon
ATG
- Joined
- Sep 3, 2012
- Runs
- 104,989
- Post of the Week
- 12
Imagine call Rizwan the best WK batsman in a world where De Kock exists. 
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
The same world where Babar is the greatest batsman, Shahdab is the best All rounder, Shaheen is the GOAT seamer and Iftikhar is the most destructive hitterImagine call Rizwan the best WK batsman in a world where De Kock exists.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Of course you can put this defeat on Rizwan
He was the one who cried to the media that he wants to bat at number 4.
He came to bat at number 4 with his team’s fate on the line. What did he do? Open up the gate for Afghanistan to make in roads.
Rizwan is equally guilty as the bowlers who failed
jnaveen1980
Test Star
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2016
- Runs
- 39,309
Rishab Pant was evolving in ODI beautifully before he got injured.
jnaveen1980
Test Star
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2016
- Runs
- 39,309
I am with you. He is putting on a show at Wankhhede. All clean hits on both sides. No ugly hoicks, swipes. CLean hitting.Imagine call Rizwan the best WK batsman in a world where De Kock exists.
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
I remember after rizzu's 131 people were bashing me for saying quinton > Rizzu
.Someone fr said I was dumb and being a modi, don't know what modi means lol
mominsaigol
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Apr 14, 2021
- Runs
- 20,395
- Post of the Week
- 2
I agree with you on not putting this defeat against rizzu because Idm if someone fails.
But the point still stands. Rizzu only scores against horrible bowling and sure he's atm better at it then let's say imam and Babar, but is that really a standard? Chacha bashes minnows better then rizwan lol, Fakhar feasted a 180 against d string NZ.
As I said before, Just because rizwan is currently a Nokia whereas the entire team is a blackberry doesn't mean he's going function better then an iPhone 15. Quinton is clearly the iPhone 15 lol.
No 4 and no 3 are the 2 most important positions in odi cricket, because their expected to not only build a platform incase openers fail, but also keep up with the rr and increase it especially in the middle overs if the openers manage to build the platform. Either way you keep and expand the rr, or if the openers fail you establish a strong rr.
Do you really think accumulators will help you do that? Look at how makram plays at no 4 lol
jnaveen1980
Test Star
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2016
- Runs
- 39,309
Rizwan is not a naturally talented batsman. He just punches above the weight. Look at Kusal Mendis, Gurbaz their top gear stuff is brutal not to mention guys like Klassen, QDk. Once Pant is back he will also join this list. Kishan himself has played some blinders in his career.
saintgrace
Tape Ball Regular
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2013
- Runs
- 356
Rishab would have the best in lower middle with left hand and agression. If he was in, then Iyer might have different role to play. Rightnow, Iyer's role is to be agrresive because he is in between two consolidators. Missing Risab is big miss for middle order.
saintgrace
Tape Ball Regular
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2013
- Runs
- 356
Rizwan plays leg side a lot with cross bat. it is ok for now but a smart bowler can hit the stump or get him LBW.
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2023
- Runs
- 18,411
How De Kock is playing he is simply one the best WK Batter in the world cricket right now, after him i will rate Rizwan because of his consistency.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 72,969
Bas Kar de yaar
Please bro.
Even I don’t like to beat someone when they are down and out…
But anyways. Rizwan is better than Klaasen?
Similar threads
