Why Indian Hindutva supporters back Israel on Gaza bombing

[Hitman]

Well lets start from the beginning of this episode on Oct 7th. Explain why Hamas killed even one single Israeli civilian never mind women children.

Go ahead lets see your reasoning.

That's because of all the attrocities their people have had to face at the hands of Israel over the years. That's their reasoning. It's true that they have faced lots of attrocities at the hands of Israel over the years. But how can anyone justify them slaughtering 1200 people who had nothing to do with what has happened to them over the years?

Does anyone want to claim that they didn't know what the retaliation would be from Israel for their actions, and that innocent people would hhave to face the brunt?​

 

[uppercut]

That's because of all the attrocities their people have had to face at the hands of Israel over the years. That's their reasoning. It's true that they have faced lots of attrocities at the hands of Israel over the years.
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What the Jews have suffered for centuries in every muslim country in that area is 10x of that. What goes around comes around.​

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Indians support the killing of children because they draw some twisted parallels between Mughal rule in India

It's that simple. Not worth debating them on it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What the Jews have suffered for centuries in every muslim country in that area is 10x of that. What goes around comes around.​

And here you go.....

Kids being blown up into pieces, having limbs torn off, buried under rubble, starved to death is what goes around comes around.....

I hope your sick thoughts also don't turn to what goes around comes around for your sake.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And then you defend the creation of Pakistan?

Others should learn to coexist with Muslims. But Muslims should be allowed to have separate Islamic nation.

They call Hamas terrorists as freedom fighters. And accuse others of genocide.

 

[Hitman]

One question here. Isn't Pakistan the only Islamic country with nukes? And we also know they also consider themselves the thekedaar of the Ummah. What have they done so far for Palestine other than provide lip service?

 

[Hitman]

Others should learn to coexist with Muslims. But Muslims should be allowed to have separate Islamic nation.

They call Hamas terrorists as freedom fighters. And accuse others of genocide.

Also, muslims conquering other's land in history is 'glorious'. But someone else doing the same now is 'evil' occupation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They don't need to do that. Instead they are watching the Israel do that from the sidelines.

Oh then we can excuse the Israel who are actually doing the genocide, it's all the fault of the Saudis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Arab nations wanted to end the Jewish state. Jews wanted a land where they can practice their religion freely without any fear.

Didn't the western powers end the state of Palestine to create Israel? Is this the best retort you can come up with your hindutva defence of genocide?

 

[Hitman]

Didn't the western powers end the state of Palestine to create Israel? Is this the best retort you can come up with your hindutva defence of genocide?

It's the likes of you who pay taxes to your country (UK) that goes directly in the interests of Israel, and against that of Palestine. You feel so much for Palestine, you can easily move to the country of your parents and ensure you money doesn't go in the interests of Israel. Would you do that?​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's the likes of you who pay taxes to your country (UK) that goes directly in the interests of Israel, and against that of Palestine. You feel so much for Palestine, you can easily move to the country of your parents and ensure you money doesn't go in the interests of Israel. Would you do that?​

I was born here, I didn't come here of my own volition. Even then I don't have to support every decision my govt takes, same as many of the students of all races don't who have been opposing the genocide.

Now what's your hindutva excuse? Why do you support the Israel genocide? What do you get out of it?

 

[IMMY69]

It's the likes of you who pay taxes to your country (UK) that goes directly in the interests of Israel, and against that of Palestine. You feel so much for Palestine, you can easily move to the country of your parents and ensure you money doesn't go in the interests of Israel. Would you do that?​

This is the most laziest argument that is often made by extremists (RSS suporters or Pakistani's that support crooks).

There is not a place left in the world that doesn't have some issues or another... would we go to India? No, for one thing they wouldn't allow us in and secondly we don't like the extremism or infrastructure...

Pakistan? Some would but most wouldn't go back due to thieves that run the country and eith that comes the lack of opportunities to progress in life...

we can go through every country in the world snd pick holes but we choose to live in a country where at least we have the freedom to vote and protest and progress in life.
Oh and safer then most other countries

 

[Hitman]

I was born here, I didn't come here of my own volition. Even then I don't have to support every decision my govt takes, same as many of the students of all races don't who have been opposing the genocide.

Now what's your hindutva excuse? Why do you support the Israel genocide? What do you get out of it?

You still contribute to the genocide by Israel generously by paying taxes to your Government. You money goes directly in the interests of Israel. You not supporting Israel means zilch when your money goes towards their interest. You support Israel monetarily, while providing lip service to Palestine.

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[Hitman]

This is the most laziest argument that is often made by extremists (RSS suporters or Pakistani's that support crooks).

There is not a place left in the world that doesn't have some issues or another... would we go to India? No, for one thing they wouldn't allow us in and secondly we don't like the extremism or infrastructure...

Pakistan? Some would but most wouldn't go back due to thieves that run the country and eith that comes the lack of opportunities to progress in life...

we can go through every country in the world snd pick holes but we choose to live in a country where at least we have the freedom to vote and protest and progress in life.
Oh and safer then most other countries

Supporting Israel monetarily, while providing lip service to Palestine

 

[IMMY69]

One question here. Isn't Pakistan the only Islamic country with nukes? And we also know they also consider themselves the thekedaar of the Ummah. What have they done so far for Palestine other than provide lip service?

Why are you all so obsessed with Pakistan?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

"Hitman, post: 12159483, member: 133315"]
"Allah O' Akbar" .... what was that in that video?
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Israel: freed captives testify to being treated ‘extremely well’ by Hamas

Testimonies collected from Israelis released by Hamas indicate that they were treated “extremely well” and that they were “not subjected to any kind of violence or insult.” The testimonies are...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Majority of the hostages were treated very well. Unlike the thousands of Palastanians in Israeli Jails which majority are children.

 

[Hitman]

Why are you all so obsessed with Pakistan?

Absolutely not!. Why hasn't Pakistan done anything till date for Palestine, since they are the only Islamic country with nukes?

 

[IMMY69]

Supporting Israel monetarily, while providing lip service to Palestine

So you missed my point entirely.
It's not about lip service, or whose country supports what.

It's about an ideology that supports genocide... if you take UK as an example, there are tens of thousands of people that are against Israel's actions and these people are not just from the Muslim community...
the marches are attended by Jews, Christians and people from other communities...

Where we choose to live is irrelevant, it's what we can do to make a change.

There is a clear distinction between these people and those such as the extremist right wing rss group and its supporters... that much is very clear

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Absolutely not! But this is Pakistani forum, and it's Pakistani posters who are shedding tears for Palestine. Why hasn't Pakistan done anything till date for Palestine, since they are the only Islamic country with nukes?

Why were RSS hindutwa extremists lining up to help the Israeli cause against the palastanians?

 

[IMMY69]

"Hitman, post: 12159483, member: 133315"]
"Allah O' Akbar" .... what was that in that video?

Israel: freed captives testify to being treated ‘extremely well’ by Hamas

Testimonies collected from Israelis released by Hamas indicate that they were treated “extremely well” and that they were “not subjected to any kind of violence or insult.” The testimonies are...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Majority of the hostages were treated very well. Unlike the thousands of Palastanians in Israeli Jails which majority are children.
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Absolutely not! But this is Pakistani forum, and it's Pakistani posters who are shedding tears for Palestine. Why hasn't Pakistan done anything till date for Palestine, since they are the only Islamic country with nukes?

The majority of these Pakistani's are against the Pakistani establishment..

This thread is about RSS supporters

 

[Hitman]

So you missed my point entirely.
It's not about lip service, or whose country supports what.

It's about an ideology that supports genocide... if you take UK as an example, there are tens of thousands of people that are against Israel's actions and these people are not just from the Muslim community...
the marches are attended by Jews, Christians and people from other communities...

Where we choose to live is irrelevant, it's what we can do to make a change.

There is a clear distinction between these people and those such as the extremist right wing rss group and its supporters... that much is very clear

It does matter. Pakistanis crying tears for Palestine, and yet pay taxes to their Govt. in UK that contributes towards the genocide in Palestine. Can't those people sacrifice that bit and move to the land of their ancestors to make sure their money doesn't go towards that genocide? Could it be that they don't want to make that sacrifice for the sake of Palestine because they don't want to compromise their first world lifestyle?​

 

[Hitman]

Why were RSS hindutwa extremists lining up to help the Israeli cause against the palastanians?

Goodness! When have Indians been shedding crocodile tears for anyone? We openly say we have nothing to do with Palestine.

 

[Hitman]

Israel: freed captives testify to being treated ‘extremely well’ by Hamas

Testimonies collected from Israelis released by Hamas indicate that they were treated “extremely well” and that they were “not subjected to any kind of violence or insult.” The testimonies are...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Majority of the hostages were treated very well. Unlike the thousands of Palastanians in Israeli Jails which majority are children.

The majority of these Pakistani's are against the Pakistani establishment..

This thread is about RSS supporters and it's clear where they/you stand

220 million people can't do anything about the Pakistani establishment?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Why India is leading the pro-Israel disinformation campaign

Analysis: Amid Israel's ongoing bombardment of Gaza, right-wing and Hindu nationalist accounts in India have surfaced on social media amplifying anti-Palestinian and Islamophobic disinformation.

www.newarab.com

These RSS extremists are nothing more than attention seeking, boot licking, leaches. They would do anything for their colonial masters.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is the most laziest argument that is often made by extremists (RSS suporters or Pakistani's that support crooks).

There is not a place left in the world that doesn't have some issues or another... would we go to India? No, for one thing they wouldn't allow us in and secondly we don't like the extremism or infrastructure...

Pakistan? Some would but most wouldn't go back due to thieves that run the country and eith that comes the lack of opportunities to progress in life...

we can go through every country in the world snd pick holes but we choose to live in a country where at least we have the freedom to vote and protest and progress in life.
Oh and safer then most other countries

It's a very lazy argument made by intellectual dimwits. They can also apply it to themselves, but they never will. You can apply it to any person who doesn't 100% agree with their government. These BJP types have themselves lived under congress rule for a long period of time. Now, according to them, Congress is satan itself. Why did they not leave when Congress was ruling?

One day, when they are old and grey, perhaps they will introspect and wonder why they spent so much time online trying to justify the murder of children and babies.

 

[Hitman]

These RSS extremists are nothing more than attention seeking, boot licking, leaches. They would do anything for their colonial masters.

None of them are suicide bombers. Nor do they practise beheading people, stoning people to death, flogging women in the public, or moving to foreign countries and commit acts of terrorism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why are you all so obsessed with Pakistan?

Topic is why Hindus back Israel.

And we are obsessed?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Israel: freed captives testify to being treated ‘extremely well’ by Hamas

Testimonies collected from Israelis released by Hamas indicate that they were treated “extremely well” and that they were “not subjected to any kind of violence or insult.” The testimonies are...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Majority of the hostages were treated very well. Unlike the thousands of Palastanians in Israeli Jails which majority are children.

The majority of these Pakistani's are against the Pakistani establishment..

This thread is about RSS supporters
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India stands against Hamas and we don't call terrorists freedom fighters nor do we call terrorist attacks as inside job or false flag.

 

[Hitman]

Topic is why Hindus back Israel.

And we are obsessed?

Also, don't you know all the hostages were treated extremely 'respectfully' by Hamas?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why India is leading the pro-Israel disinformation campaign

Analysis: Amid Israel's ongoing bombardment of Gaza, right-wing and Hindu nationalist accounts in India have surfaced on social media amplifying anti-Palestinian and Islamophobic disinformation.

www.newarab.com

These RSS extremists are nothing more than attention seeking, boot licking, leaches. They would do anything for their colonial masters.

Which RSS guy has been arrested in a terrorist attack in last 50 years?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also, don't you know all the hostages were treated extremely 'respectfully' by Hamas?

Hamas also respectfully killed 1200 Israelis.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

None of them are suicide bombers. Nor do they practise beheading people, stoning people to death, flogging women in the public, or moving to foreign countries and commit acts of terrorism.

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/17f3eij/a_group_of_hinduextremists_came_from_mathura_up

Ho yes, so why are these hindutwa extremists so desperate to get Israeli citizenship to go out and kill innocent palastanian women and children.

Reality is . Hindutwa extremists ideology is like minded to Israel and Nazi Germany

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Hamas also respectfully killed 1200 Israelis.

Israel been killing for 76 years or that doesn't come in to your thought process

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You still contribute to the genocide by Israel generously by paying taxes to your Government. You money goes directly in the interests of Israel. You not supporting Israel means zilch when your money goes towards their interest. You support Israel monetarily, while providing lip service to Palestine.

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I already answered this, and it has been expanded on by @IMMY69 and @DeadlyVenom

But I notice you completely sidestepped (again) why the reason you support the genocide of the Palestinians? That is after all the crux of the topic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Israel been killing for 76 years or that doesn't come in to your thought process

Jews were thrown out of their land. Does that count?

Israel was attacked how many times by Muslim armies in last 76 years?

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedstatesofindia/comments/17f3eij/a_group_of_hinduextremists_came_from_mathura_up

Ho yes, so why are these hindutwa extremists so desperate to get Israeli citizenship to go out and kill innocent palastanian women and children.

Reality is . Hindutwa extremists ideology is like minded to Israel and Nazi Germany

For pakistanis, Israel may be an illegal state, for India its just another country.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Jews were thrown out of their land. Does that count?

Israel was attacked how many times by Muslim armies in last 76 years?

Muslims Jews Christians lived in harmony and peace for centuries. Until the pro israel, a regime similar to your ilk got the green light, and the rest is history

 

[aboveandbeyond]

For pakistanis, Israel may be an illegal state, for India its just another country.

Flip flop

 

[cricketjoshila]

Muslims Jews Christians lived in harmony and peace for centuries. Until the pro israel, a regime similar to your ilk got the green light, and the rest is history

Lived in harmony? That's what you and your ilk think.

Just like you got Pakistan. Jews got Israel. Just that you have problems accepting any other religion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Flip flop

Nothing to flip or flop.

Israel and India have normal diplomatic relations and that's it.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Lived in harmony? That's what you and your ilk think.

Just like you got Pakistan. Jews got Israel. Just that you have problems accepting any other religion.

So why has Netanyau openly rejected a palastanian state?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So why has Netanyau openly rejected a palastanian state?

Why have Muslims been rejecting a Jewish state since 76 years?

Personally and as per Govt of India we support a two state solution.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Why have Muslims been rejecting a Jewish state since 76 years?

Personally and as per Govt of India we support a two state solution.

Don't flip flop. Netanyahu has rejected a two state solution. It's straight from the horses mouth.

Where do the palastanians people go?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't flip flop. Netanyahu has rejected a two state solution. It's straight from the horses mouth.

Where do the palastanians people go?

Muslims have rejected Israel. Now Israel has given it back.

Muslim armies have attacked Israel many times.

Still i believe its best that a two state solution happens.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Jews were thrown out of their land. Does that count?

Israel was attacked how many times by Muslim armies in last 76 years?

Thrown out by who and when?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Muslims have rejected Israel. Now Israel has given it back.

Muslim armies have attacked Israel many times.

Still i believe its best that a two state solution happens.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lived in harmony? That's what you and your ilk think.

Just like you got Pakistan. Jews got Israel. Just that you have problems accepting any other religion.

Did we come from Poland or Germany to take Pakistan?

We lived under the British rule just like you and had the same rights to every square inch of British India. They gave us ours sections and you got yours.

Unless of course you subscribe to the all Muslims of the subcontinent are invaders theory.....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why have Muslims been rejecting a Jewish state since 76 years?

Personally and as per Govt of India we support a two state solution.

You personally also support the massacre of Palestinians, you just don't say it openly.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

None of them are suicide bombers. Nor do they practise beheading people, stoning people to death, flogging women in the public, or moving to foreign countries and commit acts of terrorism.

Is suicide bombing the only type of terrorism?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did we come from Poland or Germany to take Pakistan?

We lived under the British rule just like you and had the same rights to every square inch of British India. They gave us ours sections and you got yours.

Unless of course you subscribe to the all Muslims of the subcontinent are invaders theory.....

Did Jews not live in British controlled Palestine?

UN gave Jews their country.

Unless you believe only Muslims can have a country, Israel has every right to exist and defend its existence.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You personally also support the massacre of Palestinians, you just don't say it openly.

If I did, i would. There's nothing you or anybody can do if i say i support Israel killing innocent civilians.

This is a war. A war takes civilians. That's why those who think they can terrorise a nation state, should think again before provocating them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The majority of these Pakistani's are against the Pakistani establishment..

This thread is about RSS supporters

@cricketjoshila you mention "India stands against Hamas and we don't call terrorists freedom fighters nor do we call terrorist attacks as inside job or false flag.
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Lol where does India stand against Hamas

Has the GOI called it a terrorist organisation or condemned Hamas directly?

Despite Israelis asking India to recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation why has it refused?

 

[Markhor]

Why have Muslims been rejecting a Jewish state since 76 years?

Not true. The Palestinian Authority recognised Israel decades ago. They've committed themselves to a state based on 22% of historic Palestine, not all the land.

Even Hamas have accepted a state based on 1967 borders. In 2017, they amended their original charter which called for sovereignty over the entire land.

Netanyahu meanwhile continues to reject the establishment of a Palestinian state. His far-right coalition partners openly talk of annexation while expanding illegal settlements that makes a viable, contiguous Palestinian state increasingly unlikely.

What happened on Oct 7th was awful. However violence is inevitable when you foreclose the possibility of peaceful dialogue. Israel hasn't conducted any negotiations with the Palestinians since 2014 !

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Thrown out by who and when?

Bro he's in a flip flop

Did Jews not live in British controlled Palestine?

UN gave Jews their country.

Unless you believe only Muslims can have a country, Israel has every right to exist and defend its existence.

But Netanyahu has said A two state solution is not the answer. It's not the muslim leaders saying this.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Did Jews not live in British controlled Palestine?

UN gave Jews their country.

Unless you believe only Muslims can have a country, Israel has every right to exist and defend its existence.

No they didn't live in British controlled Palestine. The British settled them.

No religious group has a right to a country based solely on religion.

Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent not for Muslims of the world. The British didn't come and import Arabs and Indonesian Muslims. It is a country for those indigenous to the Indian subcontinent.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If I did, i would. There's nothing you or anybody can do if i say i support Israel killing innocent civilians.

This is a war. A war takes civilians. That's why those who think they can terrorise a nation state, should think again before provocating them.

Well at least you are honest. I'm glad that you will now stop saying about alleged mughal injustices as war takes civillians. All good in your eyes.

 

[cricketjoshila]

@cricketjoshila you mention "India stands against Hamas and we don't call terrorists freedom fighters nor do we call terrorist attacks as inside job or false flag.

Lol where does India stand against Hamas

Has the GOI called it a terrorist organisation or condemned Hamas directly?

Despite Israelis asking India to recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation why has it refused?
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India called the attack by Hamas as a terrorist attack. Terrorist attack was the exact word used.

Israel only recently put in a request to designate Hamas as a terror group in India.

The matter will be dealt as per law. I believe a decision will be taken after the new government is sworn in.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bro he's in a flip flop


But Netanyahu has said A two state solution is not the answer. It's not the muslim leaders saying this.

They arent in a flip flop. They are happy that kids are being killed because the kids are muslims. They are consistent.

If the time came in India they would physically do the same to the kids of Indian Muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No they didn't live in British controlled Palestine. The British settled them.

No religious group has a right to a country based solely on religion.

Pakistan was created for the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent not for Muslims of the world. The British didn't come and import Arabs and Indonesian Muslims. It is a country for those indigenous to the Indian subcontinent.

Pakistan was created for Muslims.

Israel for Jews.

Thats it.

Ofcourse you have a problem accepting the second one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well at least you are honest. I'm glad that you will now stop saying about alleged mughal injustices as war takes civillians. All good in your eyes.

I don't ask pakistanis to support my views on Mughals.

We Indians are free to have our views on Mughals and stop their glorification in our country.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol where does India stand against Hamas

Has the GOI called it a terrorist organisation or condemned Hamas directly?

Despite Israelis asking India to recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation why has it refused?

India called the attack by Hamas as a terrorist attack. Terrorist attack was the exact word used.

Israel only recently put in a request to designate Hamas as a terror group in India.

The matter will be dealt as per law. I believe a decision will be taken after the new government is sworn in.
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Canada (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau): “Early yesterday, on a Jewish holiday and 50 years after the start of the Yom Kippur War, the terrorist organization Hamas launched a massive, coordinated attack against Israel. Canada unequivocally condemns these terrible attacks in the strongest possible terms and reaffirms its support for Israel’s right to defend itself, in accordance with international law.

United States (President Joe Biden): “This morning, I spoke with Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu about the horrific and ongoing attacks in Israel. The United States unequivocally condemns this appalling assault against Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza,

United States, France, Britain, Italy, and Germany (joint statement): “Today, we—President [Emmanuel] Macron of France, Chancellor [Olaf] Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister [Giorgia] Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister [Rishi] Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President [Joe] Biden of the United States—express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism. We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned.

Do you the difference?
India (Prime Minister Narendra Modi): “Deeply shocked by the news of terrorist attacks in Israel. Our thoughts and prayers are with the innocent victims and their families. We stand in solidarity with Israel at this difficult hour.”

i don't see how you can brag about India's stance and jump and down for us but Modi can't be bothered even using the word hamas. No Indian government figure has expicitly condemnded Hamas by name. Instead you will pretend a law in in motion lol. Since when do you need a law to even say the words Hamas is terrorist?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not true. The Palestinian Authority recognised Israel decades ago. They've committed themselves to a state based on 22% of historic Palestine, not all the land.

Even Hamas have accepted a state based on 1967 borders. In 2017, they amended their original charter which called for sovereignty over the entire land.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17X28W/

Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established

The comments by Khalil al-Hayya came amid a stalemate in months of cease-fire talks.

apnews.com

Netanyahu meanwhile continues to reject the establishment of a Palestinian state. His far-right coalition partners openly talk of annexation while expanding illegal settlements that makes a viable, contiguous Palestinian state increasingly unlikely.

What happened on Oct 7th was awful. However violence is inevitable when you foreclose the possibility of peaceful dialogue. Israel hasn't conducted any negotiations with the Palestinians since 2014 !

I don't support Netanyahu's views on no Palestinian state.

Two states existing peacefully is the only solution.

A dialogue is only possible when there is long periods of peace.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan was created for Muslims.

Israel for Jews.

Thats it.

Ofcourse you have a problem accepting the second one.

Who was India created for?

But anyway You are hiding from the facts again.

Jinnah - First, the Hindus and the Mussulmans are two major nations living in this sub-continent,

Can you give one example of a Muslim from US,Germany or Poland coming to the subcontinent and taking land from someone who was not indigenous?

 

[cricketjoshila]

India called the attack by Hamas as a terrorist attack. Terrorist attack was the exact word used.

Israel only recently put in a request to designate Hamas as a terror group in India.

The matter will be dealt as per law. I believe a decision will be taken after the new government is sworn in.

Canada (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau): “Early yesterday, on a Jewish holiday and 50 years after the start of the Yom Kippur War, the terrorist organization Hamas launched a massive, coordinated attack against Israel. Canada unequivocally condemns these terrible attacks in the strongest possible terms and reaffirms its support for Israel’s right to defend itself, in accordance with international law.

United States (President Joe Biden): “This morning, I spoke with Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu about the horrific and ongoing attacks in Israel. The United States unequivocally condemns this appalling assault against Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza,

United States, France, Britain, Italy, and Germany (joint statement): “Today, we—President [Emmanuel] Macron of France, Chancellor [Olaf] Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister [Giorgia] Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister [Rishi] Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President [Joe] Biden of the United States—express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism. We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned.

Do you the difference?
India (Prime Minister Narendra Modi): “Deeply shocked by the news of terrorist attacks in Israel. Our thoughts and prayers are with the innocent victims and their families. We stand in solidarity with Israel at this difficult hour.”

i don't see how you can brag about India's stance and jump and down for us but Modi can't be bothered even using the word hamas. No Indian government figure has expicitly condemnded Hamas by name. Instead you will pretend a law in in motion lol. Since when do you need a law to even say the words Hamas is terrorist?
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Israel seems happy with India's stance. Netanyahu even called Modi to update him.

Why should India bother if pakistanis have a problem with the wordings.

They arent in a flip flop. They are happy that kids are being killed because the kids are muslims. They are consistent.

If the time came in India they would physically do the same to the kids of Indian Muslims.

India's stance have been consistent over every war in last two decades.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who was India created for?

But anyway You are hiding from the facts again.

Jinnah - First, the Hindus and the Mussulmans are two major nations living in this sub-continent,

Can you give one example of a Muslim from US,Germany or Poland coming to the subcontinent and taking land from someone who was not indigenous?

India was created for Indians.


Jinnah's views were his views. Don't hold much value in India.

Arabs Central Asians Afghans Turks persians all invaded India and took land.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If I did, i would. There's nothing you or anybody can do if i say i support Israel killing innocent civilians.

This is a war. A war takes civilians. That's why those who think they can terrorise a nation state, should think again before provocating them.

You just proved my point. You have no problem condemning Hamas repeatedly for their aggressions against israel, but I have yet to see one post of yours condemning the pro israel genocide committed against the Palestinians. So no, you don't have the guts to say it openly. You still haven't done so, just said if you wanted to you could. But what you don't say also speaks volumes.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India was created for Indians.


Jinnah's views were his views. Don't hold much value in India.

Arabs Central Asians Afghans Turks persians all invaded India and took land.

So are Pakistanis and Indian Muslims invaders or indigenous to the land?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Canada (Prime Minister Justin Trudeau): “Early yesterday, on a Jewish holiday and 50 years after the start of the Yom Kippur War, the terrorist organization Hamas launched a massive, coordinated attack against Israel. Canada unequivocally condemns these terrible attacks in the strongest possible terms and reaffirms its support for Israel’s right to defend itself, in accordance with international law.

United States (President Joe Biden): “This morning, I spoke with Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu about the horrific and ongoing attacks in Israel. The United States unequivocally condemns this appalling assault against Israel by Hamas terrorists from Gaza,

United States, France, Britain, Italy, and Germany (joint statement): “Today, we—President [Emmanuel] Macron of France, Chancellor [Olaf] Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister [Giorgia] Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister [Rishi] Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President [Joe] Biden of the United States—express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism. We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned.

Do you the difference?
India (Prime Minister Narendra Modi): “Deeply shocked by the news of terrorist attacks in Israel. Our thoughts and prayers are with the innocent victims and their families. We stand in solidarity with Israel at this difficult hour.”

i don't see how you can brag about India's stance and jump and down for us but Modi can't be bothered even using the word hamas. No Indian government figure has expicitly condemnded Hamas by name. Instead you will pretend a law in in motion lol. Since when do you need a law to even say the words Hamas is terrorist?

Israel seems happy with India's stance. Netanyahu even called Modi to update him.

Why should India bother if pakistanis have a problem with the wordings.



India's stance have been consistent over every war in last two decades.
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You guys seem to be bothered about our opinions

I suggest you lobby Modi to condemn Hamas and bring your imaginary law to light so he can call them terrorists.

Until then your words are not compatible with your regimes stance.

 

[KB]

Please pay attention to this thread. The only individuals endorsing the Hindutva defense for the genocide are those affiliated with the BJP Hindutva ideology. The remainder of the Indian populace is aligned with the morally justifiable stance. As someone has already pointed out, this support is rooted solely in anti-Muslim sentiment. Therefore, there is no further need for discussion within this thread.

Yes. One of my intellectual heroes is Roger Griffin (a foremost expert on fascism) and in an interview recently he said:

“The human capacity for “othering” (dehumanising) segments of a population or entire ethnic groups and so withdrawing empathy for the suffering of fellow human beings, is, it seems, a constant of human behaviour and human history.”

In light of some posts on this thread, this should give us all pause.

Manichaeism is a fantasy of the cosmos divided into ‘good’ and ‘evil’. Those deemed as belonging to the ‘dark side’ are ‘othered’ - that is, they are dehumanised. Once a group is dehumanised there is no longer any empathy for their suffering; indeed their suffering even becomes justifiable.

I recently finished Janaki Bakhle’s brilliant book on Savarkar, a pioneering figure of Hinduvta as a political ideology. We get a clear sense of his ideas from the book: his attempt to awaken Hindus from “narcolepsy” and unite the Hindu community, his ultra-nationalist stance, but also the utter depth of his anti-Muslim disposition. He had a visceral animus towards Muslims. In his rhetoric and ideas we have clear case of the “othering” of Muslims. (As a footnote, and although Bakhle does not mention this in her book, Savarkar supported the UN Partition Plan of Palestine, though he regretted that the Jews were not being given the whole of Palestine.)

This anti-Muslim antipathy is still fundamental to the Hinduvta world view. The Hinduvta zealots demonise and dehumanise Muslims.

 

[HalBass9]

Hindutva bigots will never condemn genocide again Muslims but instead condone it.

Stop wasting your time, Hindutva bigots have shown their ugly bigoted behinds many times.

Their bigotry is firmly established.

The rest of the global south is on the right side of the history except Hindutva bigots.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindutva bigots will never condemn genocide again Muslims but instead condone it.

Stop wasting your time, Hindutva bigots have shown their ugly bigoted behinds many times.

Their bigotry is firmly established.

The rest of the global south is on the right side of the history except Hindutva bigots.

Yes. Although there does need to be a distinction made between ordinary Indians and the hindutvas. We do have some very decent Indian posters here, it seems to be the hardcore hindutvas who are supporting the genocide.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hindutva bigots will never condemn genocide again Muslims but instead condone it.

Stop wasting your time, Hindutva bigots have shown their ugly bigoted behinds many times.

Their bigotry is firmly established.

The rest of the global south is on the right side of the history except Hindutva bigots.

They don't condone.

They actively support, encourage and in some cases relish it.

 

[PakLFC]

Oh then we can excuse the Israel who are actually doing the genocide, it's all the fault of the Saudis.

I said Saudi is doing nothing while the pro israeli are murdering the Palestinians.

 

[uppercut]

And here you go.....

Kids being blown up into pieces, having limbs torn off, buried under rubble, starved to death is what goes around comes

Maybe you missed the fact that worse has happened to the Jews and has been happening for centuries. There is a reason why hardly any Jew can be found in any Muslim country these days. So yeah not surprising at all that they have zero tolerance for this Bigotry and deal with brute force.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I said Saudi is doing nothing while the Zionists are murdering the Palestinians.

Doing nothing isn't great, but at least they aren't committing genocide like the Israelis. That's the difference. If you want to criticise Saudis be my guest but maybe bump a thread about Saudi Arabia.

 

[uppercut]

Yes. One of my intellectual heroes is Roger Griffin (a foremost expert on fascism) and in an interview recently he said:

“The human capacity for “othering” (dehumanising) segments of a population or entire ethnic groups and so withdrawing empathy for the suffering of fellow human beings, is, it seems, a constant of human behaviour and human history.”

In light of some posts on this thread, this should give us all pause.

Manichaeism is a fantasy of the cosmos divided into ‘good’ and ‘evil’. Those deemed as belonging to the ‘dark side’ are ‘othered’ - that is, they are dehumanised. Once a group is dehumanised there is no longer any empathy for their suffering; indeed their suffering even becomes justifiable.

I recently finished Janaki Bakhle’s brilliant book on Savarkar, a pioneering figure of Hinduvta as a political ideology. We get a clear sense of his ideas from the book: his attempt to awaken Hindus from “narcolepsy” and unite the Hindu community, his ultra-nationalist stance, but also the utter depth of his anti-Muslim disposition. He had a visceral animus towards Muslims. In his rhetoric and ideas we have clear case of the “othering” of Muslims. (As a footnote, and although Bakhle does not mention this in her book, Savarkar supported the UN Partition Plan of Palestine, though he regretted that the Jews were not being given the whole of Palestine.)

This anti-Muslim antipathy is still fundamental to the Hinduvta world view. The Hinduvta zealots demonise and dehumanise Muslims.

Its quite remarkable how even the most educated Muslims stoutly believe in the narrative that the bechara Muslim is under the gun for absolutely no fault of his own. He never fired a shot or said a word in anger. Infact they will tell me with a very straight face that there cannot be a more innocent literally doodh sey dhula hua insaan that there ever was.

Disgraceful.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Didn't the western powers end the state of Palestine to create Israel? Is this the best retort you can come up with your hindutva defence of genocide?

The state of Palestine did not exist before 1948. There is no such country. It was inhabited by Arabs and Jews.

Israel was established as a Jewish homeland and Arab nations wanted to end it before it even began.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Doing nothing isn't great, but at least they aren't committing genocide like the Israelis. That's the difference. If you want to criticise Saudis be my guest but maybe bump a thread about Saudi Arabia.

Why will Saudis kill Palestinians? Palestinians are not demanding a separate state in Saudia.

Every country including Saudis will not hesitate to attack and kill if threatened (Yemen genocide).

 

[uppercut]

Hindutva bigots will never condemn genocide again Muslims but instead condone it.

Stop wasting your time, Hindutva bigots have shown their ugly bigoted behinds many times.

Their bigotry is firmly established.

The rest of the global south is on the right side of the history except Hindutva bigots.

Have you found the answer yet to the simple question I asked in another discussion on the " India must give respect to Pak because of Atom bomb" thread?

 

[uppercut]

Every country including Saudis will not hesitate to attack and kill if threatened (Yemen genocide).

Good point ... notice the complete lack of outrage when the Saudis were indulging in similar atrocities. The worst ofcourse was the Iran Iraq war in the 80s that went on for years and ofcourse the BD Genocide in 71. No tears shed for those victims.