Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

[Technics 1210]

Indian has no future which is why they cling to the past with Tendulkar.

It will take just under 5 years for the cricketing world to realise there was nothing ever special about Tendulkar. Wisden knew many years ago that Tendulkar was just a mascot, nothing more or less.

The best part is Tendulkar will be alive to witness he cricketing achievements crumble right before his eyes.

 

[Rajdeep]

As I said in another thread, the pinnacle for an English batsmen is Ashes. Joe Root avgs only 40 in Ashes series and don't have a single 100 after 3 tours and 14 test matches. This is how his legacy will be defined unfortunately.

Lets park the comparison with Tendulkar aside for a minute as I strongly believe he will not surpass him in terms of test runs. Even if he does, he will never be considered as a better batsman than Sachin as later was an all format great where as Root is a Umar Akmal level batsman in white ball cricket. So there is absolutely no comparison.

Only Pakistani fans does this comparison due to their hatred as they themselves couldnt produce a batsman quarter as good as him. So they latch onto anyone from another team to downplay Sachin.

The best part is, everyone knows what I am saying is nothing but truth. Accepting it or not is another story.

#SangaWithoutGloves
#Comedy

 

[atreus]

As I said in another thread, the pinnacle for an English batsmen is Ashes. Joe Root avgs only 40 in Ashes series and don't have a single 100 after 3 tours and 14 test matches. This is how his legacy will be defined unfortunately.

Lets park the comparison with Tendulkar aside for a minute as I strongly believe he will not surpass him in terms of test runs. Even if he does, he will never be considered as a better batsman than Sachin as later was an all format great where as Root is a Umar Akmal level batsman in white ball cricket. So there is absolutely no comparison.

Only Pakistani fans does this comparison due to their hatred as they themselves couldnt produce a batsman quarter as good as him. So they latch onto anyone from another team to downplay Sachin.

The best part is, everyone knows what I am saying is nothing but truth. Accepting it or not is another story.

#SangaWithoutGloves
#Comedy

Literally what?

Umar Akmal averages 34 in ODI, Root was averaging 52-53 when he was regularly playing ODI, obviously he isn't Sachin tier in ODI (or test for that matter) but that's crazy and stupid.

 

[Romali_rotti]

don't know why you're so confrontational with me, anyway.


Sachin > Smith > Root, for reference, in top 25 that I posted like an hour ago, Sachin came at #4, Smith at #7 and Root at #15 all time, I do think Root can't surpass Sachin without multiple big tours away, SRT being > Joe doesn't affect me at all.

Apologies I don't mean to come as confrontational, that is not what I am trying to do here with you. I am just a realist, if the player is worthy I have always given credit. I just don't feel Root is what he is made out to be...

 

[Technics 1210]

Sachin won only 1 away match in whole of 90s.

And for the rest of his career he has to rely on smashing Bangladesh etc for away wins.

Of course you can say that India team was weak etc etc etc but come on, what's the point in these away stats in games where everyone cashed in and match was drawn.

Or quietly stad padding while team lost.

To be fair Tendulkar did what was expected of him against the likes of Kenya and Namibia. If I remember correctly, Tendulkar won the POTT award that tournament for doing so!

Speaking of Bangladesh you are spot on, Tendulkar yet again owes Pakistan one way or another, even though his 100th century came yet in another loss vs Bangladesh.

Tendulkar is nothing but a glorified stats padder.

Imran Khan new this before Tendulkar donned an Indian shirt.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sangakkara without Gloves was better batsman than Sachin was the biggest comedy I have heard in years. How far people go to peddle their agenda. Oh Pakistanis

 

[atreus]

Apologies I don't mean to come as confrontational, that is not what I am trying to do here with you. I am just a realist, if the player is worthy I have always given credit. I just don't feel Root is what he is made out to be...

No problem, happens sometimes, regardless Yeah I don't think he is above or close to Tendulkar in pure quality as many Pakistan-oriented posters imply, he is much more of a Kallis/Dravid/Sanga level batter imo who has the potential to reach Lara/Smith level, but think he'll never reach Viv/Sachin level.

 

[Rajdeep]

I know why Pakistanis hate Sachin so much. Apart from obvious bias him being Indian and they couldnt produce a batsman quarter as good as him etc., I think below are the reasons:

1. Their fluke victory in 92 WC due to rain and the only win in world cup came after losing the match against India with Sachin being man of the match.

2. 2003 Centurion Sachin finishing the career of Wasim and Waqar. His post match presentation speech must still hurt them.

3. Not able to get him out in all important Mohali Semi finals and Sachin winning man of the match again. Basically, Sachin own them as 18 year old in 1992 as well as owning them as 37 year old in 2011.

#SangaWithoutGloves
#StillLaughing

 

[Rajdeep]

Literally what?

Umar Akmal averages 34 in ODI, Root was averaging 52-53 when he was regularly playing ODI, obviously he isn't Sachin tier in ODI (or test for that matter) but that's crazy and stupid.

Umar Akmal didnt get to play many ODIs but talent wise they were not far apart. The point being Root was an avg white ball player. Also, he is a meek test match batsman who crapped his pants in the only series that matters i.e Ashes. Comparing him with Sachin the batsman is hilarious. However, as I said no one in cricket world does that comparison apart from Pakistani and we all know the reason why.

 

[Rajdeep]

No problem, happens sometimes, regardless Yeah I don't think he is above or close to Tendulkar in pure quality as many Pakistan-oriented posters imply, he is much more of a Kallis/Dravid/Sanga level batter imo who has the potential to reach Lara/Smith level, but think he'll never reach Viv/Sachin level.

Okay good post....I can live with that.

 

[Buffet]

Hope he does. All records are meant to be broken. Hope he is not remembered just for that or having the second highest tally.

Hope he gets 3-4 big series in tough tours including Ashes in Aus.

 

[atreus]

Umar Akmal didnt get to play many ODIs but talent wise they were not far apart. The point being Root was an avg white ball player. Also, he is a meek test match batsman who crapped his pants in the only series that matters i.e Ashes. Comparing him with Sachin the batsman is hilarious. However, as I said no one in cricket world does that comparison apart from Pakistani and we all know the reason why.

average white ball batters don't average 52-53 man, he was a very good ODI batter, Akmal... just wasn't, even after 84 ODIs he averaged 34, Root after 84 ODI games averaged 49.68, he wasn't amazing in ODI but was very good, consistent and reliable unlike Akmal. Oh and Yeah, I think Sachin is better than Root, not because of meekness or anything but mostly because Sachin had a stronger technique against high bounce as he wasn't a nudger, and he had such a perfect technique that he could drop his signature shot and still be successful, something I don't think I've seen others do.

 

[stani_pak]

I know why Pakistanis hate Sachin so much. Apart from obvious bias him being Indian and they couldnt produce a batsman quarter as good as him etc., I think below are the reasons:

1. Their fluke victory in 92 WC due to rain and the only win in world cup came after losing the match against India with Sachin being man of the match.

2. 2003 Centurion Sachin finishing the career of Wasim and Waqar. His post match presentation speech must still hurt them.

3. Not able to get him out in all important Mohali Semi finals and Sachin winning man of the match again. Basically, Sachin own them as 18 year old in 1992 as well as owning them as 37 year old in 2011.

#SangaWithoutGloves
#StillLaughing

Sachin was dropped 4 times in Mohali so that was a fluke and stroke of luck...if anything Pakistans fielding cost them the match, so Sachin didnt do anything special there

 

[Hawkeye]

I know why Pakistanis hate Sachin so much. Apart from obvious bias him being Indian and they couldnt produce a batsman quarter as good as him etc., I think below are the reasons:

1. Their fluke victory in 92 WC due to rain and the only win in world cup came after losing the match against India with Sachin being man of the match.

2. 2003 Centurion Sachin finishing the career of Wasim and Waqar. His post match presentation speech must still hurt them.

3. Not able to get him out in all important Mohali Semi finals and Sachin winning man of the match again. Basically, Sachin own them as 18 year old in 1992 as well as owning them as 37 year old in 2011.

#SangaWithoutGloves
#StillLaughing

Really?

Why do we love Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Dravid and Sehwag so much then?

Even though we have not produced batsmen as good as them in current time and in the past Sehwag n Dravid did so much damage against Pakistan?

Yet we respect them.

Now you should realize that we respect and love players who ACTUALLY are good and not selfish - and have teared apart our bowlers, as well as those of others.

These are all impactful players who often made India win.

They contributed in victories. And thrashing opposition.

That is how you earn respect.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Really?

Why do we love Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Dravid and Sehwag so much then?

Even though we have not produced batsmen as good as them in current time and in the past Sehwag n Dravid did so much damage against Pakistan?

Yet we respect them.

Now you should realize that we respect and love players who ACTUALLY are good and not selfish - and have teared apart our bowlers, as well as those of others.

These are all impactful players who often made India win.

They contributed in victories. And thrashing opposition.

That is how you earn respect.

This point has been made 1 billion times but their needle is stuck on this alleged jealousy and they can't see beyond this.

 

[Hawkeye]

This point has been made 1 billion times but their needle is stuck on this alleged jealousy and they can't see beyond this.

Yeah, they can come up with a ton of excuses but jealousy really is not one of them.

It’s more about being selfless, impactful, having an X factor and to some extent not being a tool as a person.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin was dropped 4 times in Mohali so that was a fluke and stroke of luck...if anything Pakistans fielding cost them the match, so Sachin didnt do anything special there

Nonsense. Dropping catches are part of the game. According to your logic Fakhar's knock and Pakistan winning CT 2017 was also a fluke due to Bumrah no ball?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nonsense. Dropping catches are part of the game. According to your logic Fakhar's knock and Pakistan winning CT 2017 was also a fluke due to Bumrah no ball?

Yea that knock had blemish. But after seeing how much he bent his arm i can live with that as the bowler was not actually "bowling".

 

[Rajdeep]

Really?

Why do we love Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Dravid and Sehwag so much then?

Even though we have not produced batsmen as good as them in current time and in the past Sehwag n Dravid did so much damage against Pakistan?

Yet we respect them.

Now you should realize that we respect and love players who ACTUALLY are good and not selfish - and have teared apart our bowlers, as well as those of others.

These are all impactful players who often made India win.

They contributed in victories. And thrashing opposition.

That is how you earn respect.

This selfish debate has been settled multiple times but posters like you still come back for more.

Sachin played for 22 years and never had an elongated poor form. The entire Indian batting line up used to depend on him in 90s. Stacking up runs by playing for 3.5 decades in not being selfish. Highest run scorer and most man of the match performances in world cup cricket is not selfish.

Sachin only lost his form in Dec 2012 and retired in Sep 2013. He didn't hung onto long due to his past reputation like how modern players like Kohli etc is doing. So calling him selfish is laughable.

As I said, all the greats including Sir Don Bradman himself called him the best batter after him. I will take his words more seriously than what random posters think about Sachin.

And since when Pakistanis started loving Sehwag & Bumrah? LOL.

I thought you guys accuse Bumrah of chucking?

Sehwag bashed your team so much on those flat decks on Lahore and Multan that you have no other option but to appreciate him with bated breath.

The only Indian player you guys genuinely love is Kohli and I give you that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Anyway about the topic Joe Root has to maintain his form reasonably well for 2 yeasr he will break the record. Records are meant to be broken. Given that he has so many tests to play when he is at his peak he could very well break. I don't think this record will be surpassed as there are not many test batsmen with good temperament anymore. Also nowadays teams are going after results. So you don't see 400, 375 not out anymore.

 

[Rajdeep]

Yeah, they can come up with a ton of excuses but jealousy really is not one of them.

It’s more about being selfless, impactful, having an X factor and to some extent not being a tool as a person.

Go easy on those words as they sound fancy but has no real meaning.

How do you define impactful? Sachin has scored 44 centuries as an opener and India won 30 of those games. Is that not impactful?

What x-factor he didnt had? Sachin had a strike rate of close to 87 in ODIs playing in pre T20 era. Was that not x-factor?

Slogging blindly like Shahid Afridi is not impactful batting..LOL.

You guys have no clue about batting unfortunately.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This selfish debate has been settled multiple times but posters like you still come back for more.

Sachin played for 22 years and never had an elongated poor form. The entire Indian batting line up used to depend on him in 90s. Stacking up runs by playing for 3.5 decades in not being selfish. Highest run scorer and most man of the match performances in world cup cricket is not selfish.

Sachin only lost his form in Dec 2012 and retired in Sep 2013. He didn't hung onto long due to his past reputation like how modern players like Kohli etc is doing. So calling him selfish is laughable.

As I said, all the greats including Sir Don Bradman himself called him the best batter after him. I will take his words more seriously than what random posters think about Sachin.

And since when Pakistanis started loving Sehwag & Bumrah? LOL.

I thought you guys accuse Bumrah of chucking?

Sehwag bashed your team so much on those flat decks on Lahore and Multan that you have no other option but to appreciate him with bated breath.

The only Indian player you guys genuinely love is Kohli and I give you that.

Thier jealousy of SRT is something I have seen since 2005, when i started interacting with Pakistanis on a consistent basis, they are sick, they just can't accept the reality that the second greatest bat of all time is Indian, it literally drives them insane, it is unlike anything I have seen in the past or till PM Modi came along funny to see though ....


Look at the chain of this behaviour, they latch onto any player that has the chance to beat SRT's records so they can say feel better about themselves, so far every player has let them down and now Joe Root is the next big hope..

our poster Technics used to post here as Namal_halal and Jeera_blade before that pand he did exactly the same thing with SRT before he ran away from my constant beatings he recieved and came back with his 3rd new name

 

[jnaveen1980]

There are certain players you rate even though they may not have the best numbers against you.


For example this guy is a widely accepted legend in India even though numbers are poor against India.

v Australia	1992-2005	31	58	2	2856	277	51.00	4675	61.09	9	11	5	381	21
v Bangladesh	2004-2004	2	2	0	173	120	86.50	223	77.57	1	1	0	19	3
v England	1994-2004	30	51	3	2983	400*	62.14	4645	64.21	7	11	4	415	13
v India	1994-2006	17	29	0	1002	120	34.55	1900	52.73	2	6	3	102	6
v New Zealand	1995-2006	11	17	0	704	147	41.41	1152	61.11	1	5	1	100	3
v Pakistan	1990-2006	12	22	0	1173	216	53.31	1731	67.76	4	3	2	152	17
v South Africa	1992-2005	18	35	0	1715	202	49.00	3193	53.71	4	9	1	243	13
v Sri Lanka	1993-2003	8	14	1	1125	221	86.53	1974	56.99	5	2	1	119	8
v Zimbabwe	2003-2003	2	4	0	222	191	55.50	260	85.38	1	0	0	28	4

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I can't think of a greta Tendulkar away from home knock where he lead the team to a victory.

He never won a match outside India in 90s and barely did any damage in 00s.

Why then do much drama being made about his away from home prowess?

In the rare time India won away from home and he scored runs it was ALWAYS when other batsman also scored tons.

If someone can show me one Tendulkar scorecard away from home where he helped India win a match that can top Roots double century in India which occured in a match where nobody else could even got close to scoring a hundred then I'll eat my hat.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Lara is a match loser because he made 688 runs in 3 tests against srilanka in losing causes lol What sort of a logic is this. Who will take 20 wickets? India is winning a lot of overseas matches in this era with one of the poorest batting line up in Indian history because bowling is far superior.

 

[mominsaigol]

I can't think of a greta Tendulkar away from home knock where he lead the team to a victory.

He never won a match outside India in 90s and barely did any damage in 00s.

Why then do much drama being made about his away from home prowess?

In the rare time India won away from home and he scored runs it was ALWAYS when other batsman also scored tons.

If someone can show me one Tendulkar scorecard away from home where he helped India win a match that can top Roots double century in India which occured in a match where nobody else could even got close to scoring a hundred then I'll eat my hat.

I can't think of a greta Tendulkar away from home knock where he lead the team to a victory.

This is a great point i actually agree with.

Ik you're talking about tests but I brought this point up to @Rajdeep that in odi's Sachin doesn't have any solo match winning knock. If his team was crap like it was when he was captaining, he was also crap, but if his team was good, he was good as well.

Rajdeep mentioned its a team game however Maxwell has a solo winning knock, Similarly Travis head is carrying Australia's entire batting on his back. Gayle was very similar for a small period of time.

Infact Sachin's best innings against pakistan in wc semi final of 2003 still left India to chase over a 100 runs and required multiple half century partnerships by the lower order to get India over the line.

Heck Kohli and Rohit have more solo winning knocks then Sachin does in odi atleast.

In terms of tests, Steve Smith's 211 where he single handidely had to carry Australia's entire batting lineup againat England and won the game batting with tail enders is >>>> Anything Sachin has done in tests.

So is Lara's 153 against pakistan in that historic one wicket test win. Lara solo carried.

It's extremely difficult to bat with the tail and win games, and this is something Sachin never learned to do. Which is funny cause even Liton Das knows how to win games via batting with hasan mahmud.

Also before any Indian reading this gets salty, not saying Das > Sachin lol, just pointing out a key metric that even your own brother rajdeep didn't have an argument for.

 

[Rajdeep]

I can't think of a greta Tendulkar away from home knock where he lead the team to a victory.

He never won a match outside India in 90s and barely did any damage in 00s.

Why then do much drama being made about his away from home prowess?

In the rare time India won away from home and he scored runs it was ALWAYS when other batsman also scored tons.

If someone can show me one Tendulkar scorecard away from home where he helped India win a match that can top Roots double century in India which occured in a match where nobody else could even got close to scoring a hundred then I'll eat my hat.

Being a Pakistani you should not be asking such absurd question, unless you are trolling (which is like 90% of the time).

Sachin played one of the greatest world cup knocks in Centurion. Both Wasim and Waqar never played after that phainta.

Joe Root's stats are meaningless as he avgs only 40 against Australia and couldn't score a single century in downunder Ashes tour after touring there 3 times and playing 14 games. For an Englishman, Ashes series is the pinnacle and Root craps his pant in that event.

 

[Rajdeep]

Infact Sachin's best innings against pakistan in wc semi final of 2003 still left India to chase over a 100 runs and required multiple half century partnerships by the lower order to get India over the line.

With that statement you proved that you got zero understanding of the game, especially how ODIs used to be played back then. The job of an opener was not to bat all 50 overs and see his side to victory. His role was to give his team a good start and build the foundation for lower order to complete the job. What do you mean India still had 100 runs left to chase? LOL. India was chasing 276 against an attack of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar and Razzaq. When he got out, he only left 100 odd runs which finishers like Yuvi and Dravid seen off with ease. Had he not played that epic knock against the new ball, you think finishers could have done the job?

I thought Sanga without gloves was the extreme clutching of straws I read yesterday. You just outdone it today

 

[mominsaigol]

Being a Pakistani you should not be asking such absurd question, unless you are trolling (which is like 90% of the time).

Sachin played one of the greatest world cup knocks in Centurion. Both Wasim and Waqar never played after that phainta.

Joe Root's stats are meaningless as he avgs only 40 against Australia and couldn't score a single century in downunder Ashes tour after touring there 3 times and playing 14 games. For an Englishman, Ashes series is the pinnacle and Root craps his pant in that event.

Sachin played one of the greatest world cup knocks in Centurion

No he didn't. Thats just nonsense from indian media since that knock isnt even within bootlicking diatance of some of the knocks achieved even in wc 2023 let alone all of world cup history.

Wasim and waqar were burnt corpses at this time and not the bowlers they were in the 90's.

Furthermore Sachin left his side to chase nearly 120 to 130 runs requiring the lower order to build a partnership and both getting their half centuries.

He didn't even finish the match and this is what happens when you didn't even watch the game live.

Don't get me wrong it's a good knock but this proves my point I keep making on overglorification. Every sachin's knock is overglorified as one of the greatest of all time when this knock was one where he didn't finish the game, left his opposition to score 130 more runs and dealt with burnt corpses.

The time Sachin was needed was in the final where not only did he go out on a duck, sehwag actually showed him how to bat against mcgrath. I'd Sachin had formed a partnership against aus with sehwag they could have won as sehwag was striking at 100 and aus had no answer for him. They had to run him out.

And the only reason sehwag got run out cause he was losing partners left and right.

 

[mominsaigol]

With that statement you proved that you got zero understanding of the game, especially how ODIs used to be played back then. The job of an opener was not to bat all 50 overs and see his side to victory. His role was to give his team a good start and build the foundation for lower order to complete the job. What do you mean India still had 100 runs left to chase? LOL. India was chasing 276 against an attack of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar and Razzaq. When he got out, he only left 100 odd runs which finishers like Yuvi and Dravid seen off with ease. Had he not played that epic knock against the new ball, you think finishers could have done the job?

I thought Sanga without gloves was the extreme clutching of straws I read yesterday. You just outdone it today

Kindly refrain from insults, remarks and these pakistani racism comments thanks.

Anyway once again that's total nonsense from you. Odi opening hasn't changed since it's inception only the role of the middle order has.

The 2 new ball rule didn't affect openers as the first 25 overs are still equ9vlent to the first 50 overs of today.

The job of openers back then was to still provide starts and once set for 25, take it all the way through especially in chases

90% of the time openers don't achieve this which is why certain players like kohli are held in such a high regard.

And the said attack you mentioned were all burnt corpses at the end of their rope, not in their prime.

Any Tom dick and Harry who saw their performance in wc 2003 qpuld know this but obviously you were probably in your diapers back then.

Mcgrath put Sachin in his place one match later and that was the end of that.

I'm sick of these hypocritical arguments.

First it's Sachin is a god who casually dealt with a fearsome pakiatan bowling lineup bit for the wc final it's no no the score was too high, the God couldn't get it cause it was mcgrath?

Make up your mind

 

[jnaveen1980]

Being a Pakistani you should not be asking such absurd question, unless you are trolling (which is like 90% of the time).

Sachin played one of the greatest world cup knocks in Centurion. Both Wasim and Waqar never played after that phainta.

Joe Root's stats are meaningless as he avgs only 40 against Australia and couldn't score a single century in downunder Ashes tour after touring there 3 times and playing 14 games. For an Englishman, Ashes series is the pinnacle and Root craps his pant in that event.

Tendulkar's 117 as a 17 year old is probably one of the better innings as he saved the test with 68 & 117* at old trafford.

 

[Rajdeep]

Kindly refrain from insults, remarks and these pakistani racism comments thanks.

Anyway once again that's total nonsense from you. Odi opening hasn't changed since it's inception only the role of the middle order has.

The 2 new ball rule didn't affect openers as the first 25 overs are still equ9vlent to the first 50 overs of today.

The job of openers back then was to still provide starts and once set for 25, take it all the way through especially in chases

90% of the time openers don't achieve this which is why certain players like kohli are held in such a high regard.

And the said attack you mentioned were all burnt corpses at the end of their rope, not in their prime.

Any Tom dick and Harry who saw their performance in wc 2003 qpuld know this but obviously you were probably in your diapers back then.

Mcgrath put Sachin in his place one match later and that was the end of that.

I'm sick of these hypocritical arguments.

First it's Sachin is a god who casually dealt with a fearsome pakiatan bowling lineup bit for the wc final it's no no the score was too high, the God couldn't get it cause it was mcgrath?

Make up your mind

You are losing the argument a bit and typing in anger. Bringing Kohli and McGrath will not help...will address them in a bit.

First lets complete the discussion about the Centurion game.

Like in football there are defenders, midfielders and strikers who got different roles, different batting position in cricket has got different roles as well. That is why they call it as opener, middle order and finisher. Just like a defender also score goal sometime, there will be odd days when opener will bat all 50 overs but that is not his role. Openers primary role is to see off the new ball and give the team a good start. Middle order is there for consolidation and finisher is there to up the ante. This is the fulcrum of batting in ODI cricket. Looks like I need to teach you cricket from ABC now.

Pakistan scored 276 runs in a bouncy centurion wicket. Sachin's role was to give his team a brilliant start and see of the new ball. He did that by scoring 98(76) balls and left only 100 odd run to chase in 17 overs. For you to say, oh that was not a good knock just bcoz he couldn't stay not out till the end is hilarious and proves my point the lack of understanding of the game on your part.

Kohli also couldn't stay till the end in his 183 runs knock against Pakistan. So it was not a great innings, is it?

I know you are getting away reading troll post of others but atleast make some sense man.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Being a Pakistani you should not be asking such absurd question, unless you are trolling (which is like 90% of the time).

Sachin played one of the greatest world cup knocks in Centurion. Both Wasim and Waqar never played after that phainta.

Joe Root's stats are meaningless as he avgs only 40 against Australia and couldn't score a single century in downunder Ashes tour after touring there 3 times and playing 14 games. For an Englishman, Ashes series is the pinnacle and Root craps his pant in that event.

You are bringing ODI into Test discussion.

 

[Rajdeep]

Tendulkar's 117 as a 17 year old is probably one of the better innings as he saved the test with 68 & 117* at old trafford.

Even they know all of these. However due to jealousy of not producing a batsman 25% of his calibre is the root cause of this hatred. That is why you will see absurd comparisons like Sanga without goves or Smith without maxi pads is better than Sachin etc

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tendulkar's 117 as a 17 year old is probably one of the better innings as he saved the test with 68 & 117* at old trafford.

There was like 6 tons scored in that match.

Do you think it is a better knock than when Root scored a double to win a test in India and next best score was 70?

 

[Technics 1210]

I can't think of a greta Tendulkar away from home knock where he lead the team to a victory.

He never won a match outside India in 90s and barely did any damage in 00s.

Why then do much drama being made about his away from home prowess?

In the rare time India won away from home and he scored runs it was ALWAYS when other batsman also scored tons.

If someone can show me one Tendulkar scorecard away from home where he helped India win a match that can top Roots double century in India which occured in a match where nobody else could even got close to scoring a hundred then I'll eat my hat.

Forget away knock, there is no memorable knock spanning 22+ years, other than innings where he bottled it, time after time, Chennai 99 being the highlight of his losses.

Even the 100 centuries claim was revised after it was revealed that the real King (Viv), and Ramprakash had already scored 100 first class centuries. Instead it is now 100 International centuries, bolstered by minnow centuries.

You will never find 3 memorable Tendulkar innings, let alone 2, not even from the die hard Sachinstas can list 3, this is why they need spreadsheets and filters to defend the ^god^ of batting.

Forget GOAT, forget ATG, forget any accolade, including the Bharat Ratna, Tendulkar isn't worthy, especially when his disciples cannot name 3 memorable innings without choking a cricket ball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

IN 1999 Australia series he won man of the series awards with 3 horrible umpiring decisions. Problem was India never had a bowling unit to win tests overseas

There was like 6 tons scored in that match.

Do you think it is a better knock than when Root scored a double to win a test in India and next best score was 70?

To be fair Root played when the conditions was its very best to bat on. Sorry dude. I am a fan of ROot. Technically the most versatile player in this era. But he never displayed ability to survive in testing conditions. He tried to sweep his way out against Axar patel. Got embarrassed. This is at his very best. Tendulkar on day 4 pitch swept Warne against the turn to make a statement and India went on to win the Test.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-in-sri-lanka-2020-21-1242951/sri-lanka-vs-england-1st-test-1243015/full-scorecard

Root Double ton - Nobody else close

 

[jnaveen1980]

Capetown test at 58/5 he and Azharuddin added 222 in 40 odd overs in a Test match. Then at Blomefoentin he added 220 with Sehwag when India was 68/4. Tendulkar probably under-achieved given his technical expertise.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

IN 1999 Australia series he won man of the series awards with 3 horrible umpiring decisions. Problem was India never had a bowling unit to win tests overseas


To be fair Root played when the conditions was its very best to bat on. Sorry dude. I am a fan of ROot. Technically the most versatile player in this era. But he never displayed ability to survive in testing conditions. He tried to sweep his way out against Axar patel. Got embarrassed. This is at his very best. Tendulkar on day 4 pitch swept Warne against the turn to make a statement and India went on to win the Test.

Which match are you talking about where Tenda swept Warne on day 4?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Which match are you talking about where Tenda swept Warne on day 4?

Chennai Test, we watched it live. It was one of the best batting display on day 4 pitch.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Chennai Test, we watched it live. It was one of the best batting display on day 4 pitch.

Supposedly home runs don't count for Root so they shouldn't for Tendulkar either.

 

[Technics 1210]

You know a career is overrated when NOT ONE of his 100 International centuries is memorable. I suppose his last century is memorable for achieving the feat, but in true style, it was yet another century in a loss.

There is a reason why Wisden didn't include a Tendulkar century in the top 100 Test centuries.

Tendulkar was a serial loser, and they only ones bolstering and shielding his bang average career are the ones who learned to count to 100.

Tendulkar is the Sesame Street of cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Supposedly home runs don't count for Root so they shouldn't for Tendulkar either.

India won 0 tests in SENA in the 1990s lol So i am not sure that filter is relevant. India started winning overseas mostly after Ganguly took over.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Root had three double tons in Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka that won the match for his side.

There is no perfect player in cricket. He has his black marks as do all other players.

But some of the arguments being made against him are just designed to try and bring him down as a player.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India won 0 tests in SENA in the 1990s lol So i am not sure that filter is relevant. India started winning overseas mostly after Ganguly took over.

I agree it's not relevant to completely dismiss home records.

But it seems to be an argument that we are seeing a lot when it comes to Root.

 

[Technics 1210]

Root had three double tons in Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka that won the match for his side.

There is no perfect player in cricket. He has his black marks as do all other players.

But some of the arguments being made against him are just designed to try and bring him down as a player.

And the truth is, Root outshines Tendulkar on number of innings in winning causes alone. Root doesn't need any of his centuries/spreadsheets to prove he is the better bat than bang average Tendulkar.

 

[pratiktc]

I used to always think which people Iffi- Wasay were referring to when they rant about agenda peddlers.

Then I came to this thread and understood. Aap lage raho Wasay bhai.

 

[stani_pak]

Nonsense. Dropping catches are part of the game. According to your logic Fakhar's knock and Pakistan winning CT 2017 was also a fluke due to Bumrah no ball?

The no ball was due to Bumrahs lack of discipline, and it was only 1 no ball, had it been 3 or 4 no balls in a single game or 3 or 4 dropped catches, can say its a fluke, no one drops same player on 4 chances. Fakhar played a great innings and Pakistan ended up destroying India by 180 runs.

 

[stani_pak]

Root had three double tons in Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka that won the match for his side.

There is no perfect player in cricket. He has his black marks as do all other players.

But some of the arguments being made against him are just designed to try and bring him down as a player.

Its only Indians doing this no one else, they cant stand to have the thought that he can break Sachins record. There is chance he doesnt even break but if he ends up doing no Indian will appreciate his achievement

 

[Technics 1210]

Its only Indians doing this no one else, they cant stand to have the thought that he can break Sachins record. There is chance he doesnt even break but if he ends up doing no Indian will appreciate his achievement

Spot on.

No one outside of India cares about Tendulkar, not even the Western media. He is the epitome of hype and pity, all because he carries the burden of 1 Billion Indians.

Wisden doesn't even appreciate Tendulkar.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its only Indians doing this no one else, they cant stand to have the thought that he can break Sachins record. There is chance he doesnt even break but if he ends up doing no Indian will appreciate his achievement

It's only Pakistanis that are doing this, no one is obsessed with whether Root or any other player breaks SRTs record. If Root doesn't break the record Pakistanis would be heavily distraught and be hoping another player can beat it as their lives seems to be too traumatised by SRT...

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's only Pakistanis that are doing this, no one is obsessed with whether Root or any other player breaks SRTs record. If Root doesn't break the record Pakistanis would be heavily distraught and be hoping another player can beat it as their lives seems to be too traumatised by SRT...

They are pulling a Donald Trump. Accuse the people of doing something that he does.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root is only 3144 runs away.

I hope he will break it.

 

[Hitman]

Spot on.

No one outside of India cares about Tendulkar, not even the Western media. He is the epitome of hype and pity, all because he carries the burden of 1 Billion Indians.

Wisden doesn't even appreciate Tendulkar.

Wisden rates Tendulkar second best - Times of India

Cricket News: NEW DELHI: Cricket’s Bible, Wisden, has rated batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar as the second greatest Test batsman ever, behind the legendary Sir Don

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

WG Grace and Shane Warne in Wisden all-time World Test XI

Wisden names WG Grace and Shane Warne in an all-time Test World XI to mark 150 years of the Cricketers' Almanack.

www.bbc.com

 

[Ab Fan]

Root has 3144 runs more to score. That’s a long way to go. He doesn’t have it in him I would say. Not its fault, none had in them before him too.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root has 3144 runs more to score. That’s a long way to go. He doesn’t have it in him I would say. Not its fault, none had in them before him too.

Root is 33 years old.

I say he has a very good chance of getting 3144 more runs.

England play a lot of Tests.

 

[Justcrazy]

Root is only 3144 runs away.

I hope he will break it.

He has good chance , need a couple of solid series .

 

[Justcrazy]

Root is 33 years old.

I say he has a very good chance of getting 3144 more runs.

England play a lot of Tests.

If he plays another 3 years , I am sure he will come close enough to not give up.

 

[sweep_shot]

If he plays another 3 years , I am sure he will come close enough to not give up.

He is only 33 years old.

I think he can play for 6 more years minimum. England also play a lot of Tests. All he has to do is score 600-700 runs per year for 6 years.

 

[Hitman]

He is only 33 years old.

I think he can play for 6 more years minimum. England also play a lot of Tests. All he has to do is score 600-700 runs per year for 6 years.

34 on 30th December this year.

 

[Ab Fan]

Root is 33 years old.

I say he has a very good chance of getting 3144 more runs.

England play a lot of Tests.

England plays a lot of Tests and that’s why their batters retire early. It takes a lot of focus and concentration for a batsman.

He will be 34 in a month and still be 3000 runs behind. I think he will likely retire in 1-2 years. No England batsman have been able to carry on beyond 35 in recent times.

 

[stani_pak]

It's only Pakistanis that are doing this, no one is obsessed with whether Root or any other player breaks SRTs record. If Root doesn't break the record Pakistanis would be heavily distraught and be hoping another player can beat it as their lives seems to be too traumatised by SRT...

A true Pakistani would want a Pakistani to beat the record if its anyone from another nation what joy will bring it us, yes some Pak fans will be over the moon but most are just trolling or having fun banter with Indians. English Cricket fans would like to see Root surpass it if he can, but still there is a chance he doesnt

The real reality is if Sachins record gets beat, Indian fans will never get over it and their will be a billion tears and millions of threads and social media post about why Sachin is better than Root.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Timeline of salty Pakistani fans putting their hopes on someone to be genuinely acknowledged ahead of Tendulkar :-

90s : Lara, Anwar
2000s : Lara, Inzamam, Ponting, Kallis
2010s: Sangakkara, ABD, Cook, Amla
2020s : Smith, Root


Times keep changing, so do the name of the players that they keep trying to put at par with Sachin.


If all of the above batters were convincingly better than Sachin then there’s a severe dearth of threads like Kallis vs Root, Sangakkara vs Smith, Anwar vs ABD

 

[Romali_rotti]

Timeline of salty Pakistani fans putting their hopes on someone to be genuinely acknowledged ahead of Tendulkar :-

90s : Lara, Anwar
2000s : Lara, Inzamam, Ponting, Kallis
2010s: Sangakkara, ABD, Cook, Amla
2020s : Smith, Root


Times keep changing, so do the name of the players that they keep trying to put at par with Sachin.


If all of the above batters were convincingly better than Sachin then there’s a severe dearth of threads like Kallis vs Root, Sangakkara vs Smith, Anwar vs ABD

Sachin Tendulkar the man that has full control over Pakistanis, living rent free in their heads.

The one and only...

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Timeline of salty Pakistani fans putting their hopes on someone to be genuinely acknowledged ahead of Tendulkar :-

90s : Lara, Anwar
2000s : Lara, Inzamam, Ponting, Kallis
2010s: Sangakkara, ABD, Cook, Amla
2020s : Smith, Root


Times keep changing, so do the name of the players that they keep trying to put at par with Sachin.


If all of the above batters were convincingly better than Sachin then there’s a severe dearth of threads like Kallis vs Root, Sangakkara vs Smith, Anwar vs ABD

Bhaijaan with absolutely no chill

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sachin Tendulkar the man that has full control over Pakistanis, living rent free in their heads.

The one and only...

Bhaijaan with absolutely no chill

Funny thing is that most of these modern day Pakistan cricket fans don’t even have an idea who and how big of a phenomenon Sachin was during his playing days. It’s not like they saw him dominating the Ws, Saqi, Mushi, Rawalpindi udankhatola or something.

 

[jnaveen1980]

England plays a lot of Tests and that’s why their batters retire early. It takes a lot of focus and concentration for a batsman.

He will be 34 in a month and still be 3000 runs behind. I think he will likely retire in 1-2 years. No England batsman have been able to carry on beyond 35 in recent times.

Tendulkar played 79 tests in the first 12 years. Root has played 150 tests in first 12 years. When lot of tests coincide with your peak you get to boost your tally massively. Also average in some cases. You just need a 3 or 4year peak.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Tendulkar played 79 tests in the first 12 years. Root has played 150 tests in first 12 years. When lot of tests coincide with your peak you get to boost your tally massively. Also average in some cases. You just need a 3 or 4year peak.

I think whenever Tendulkar is discussed, the biggest thing that should be kept in consideration is his Tennis elbow injury. It happened to him at the peak of his career and changed him as a batter. He was a legend to have resurgence like the one he had from 2008-early 2011 but he could not be the dominating batter he always liked to be during 2002-2007 phase due to Tennis elbow injury.

 

[Mamoon]

Why would Pakistanis be jealous of Tendulkar when he only averaged 42 vs Pakistan in Test cricket?

Pakistan reduced him to an Azhar Ali level batsman in Test cricket. He was mentally and technically not good enough to handle Pakistani bowlers in Test cricket.

 

[Varun]

Why would Pakistanis be jealous of Tendulkar when he only averaged 42 vs Pakistan in Test cricket?

42 is good enough vs the response a Pakistan batting line-up can conjure, leave alone after the likes of Sehwag average 90 before Sachin has to even walk-in.

Actually, the question you should ask yourself is why you're still being tormented by a guy who retired a dozen years ago, and played his last test against Pakistan even before that.

 

[Mamoon]

42 is good enough vs the response a Pakistan batting line-up can conjure, leave alone after the likes of Sehwag average 90 before Sachin has to even walk-in.

Actually, the question you should ask yourself is why you're still being tormented by a guy who retired a dozen years ago, and played his last test against Pakistan even before that.

42 is a joke for a batsman who has godly status and is supposedly the greatest batsman in modern cricket. Pakistan successfully mortalized Tendulkar and made him look like the normal, decent batsman that he was.

If only others could bowl to him like Pakistan did, his legacy would have been on par with Pujara and Rahane. Pakistani fans know the value of Sehwag and Dravid, two players who were far superior than him and who gave us plenty of sleepless nights.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why would Pakistanis be jealous of Tendulkar when he only averaged 42 vs Pakistan in Test cricket?

Pakistan reduced him to an Azhar Ali level batsman in Test cricket. He was mentally and technically not good enough to handle Pakistani bowlers in Test cricket.

The Truth hath been revealed
Blessed by the enlightenment

 

[mb3407]

Averaging 42 against the so called best attack of Waseem, Shoaib and Waqar is pretty good considering he made them all concentrate on him, making job of Sehwag and Dravid easier.

Says more about pakistan attack than Sachin

 

[captain.hansolo]

Really?

Why do we love Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Dravid and Sehwag so much then?

Even though we have not produced batsmen as good as them in current time and in the past Sehwag n Dravid did so much damage against Pakistan?

Yet we respect them.

Now you should realize that we respect and love players who ACTUALLY are good and not selfish - and have teared apart our bowlers, as well as those of others.

These are all impactful players who often made India win.

They contributed in victories. And thrashing opposition.

That is how you earn respect.

By that metric you ought to have profound respect for Sachin, Yuvraj, and of course, Jadeja.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have alot of respect for Sachin. Dude is top 5 of all time and if you say allformats( Test + Odi) then he is no 1.

I just disagree with Indian fans immortalizing him and hyping him up to stupidity.

Goat player no doubt but to act like he had no equals is absurd.

Many players have been superior to him year by year however yes, Sachin never fizzled out like they did and that's a huge quality considering today's generation is so use to seeing kohli and steve smith fizzling out in tests.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have alot of respect for Sachin. Dude is top 5 of all time and if you say allformats( Test + Odi) then he is no 1.

I just disagree with Indian fans immortalizing him and hyping him up to stupidity.

Goat player no doubt but to act like he had no equals is absurd.

Many players have been superior to him year by year however yes, Sachin never fizzled out like they did and that's a huge quality considering today's generation is so use to seeing kohli and steve smith fizzling out in tests.

Top 5 midget yeah

 

[mominsaigol]

Top 5 midget yeah

Bro why do you hate Sachin so much?

The problem I have with Indians is that they view him like he's the 2nd coming of chuck norris.

But at the same time fans like you (not singling you out as their is technis and many others) view him as an abomination of mankind.

A midget doesn't have superior numbers in both avg and sr and no of centuries and runs then Ricky Pointing in odi and at the same time have a 50+ avg in test.

He's clearly the best all format (test + odi) player of his time.

In tests Steve smith, Lara and Sanga are the only ones who are debatable with him. Excluding bradman, Gary Sobers and 40 t9 60 era players, Sachin is comparable to the 3 I mentioned in tests.

In odi, he was clearly superior to pointing in said era. And pointing is my top 5 favourite players of all time.

 

[RahulBose]

This is really funny...
I have realised that superh

Indian has no future which is why they cling to the past with Tendulkar.

It will take just under 5 years for the cricketing world to realise there was nothing ever special about Tendulkar. Wisden knew many years ago that Tendulkar was just a mascot, nothing more or less.

The best part is Tendulkar will be alive to witness he cricketing achievements crumble right before his eyes.

You lost me at India has no future....
Surely, you don't get out much then.

 

[RahulBose]

Why would Pakistanis be jealous of Tendulkar when he only averaged 42 vs Pakistan in Test cricket?

Pakistan reduced him to an Azhar Ali level batsman in Test cricket. He was mentally and technically not good enough to handle Pakistani bowlers in Test cricket.

What a very skewed way to access a batsman.


Then you guys should go gaga against Kohli....

Oh wait