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It's a test match, I think they can at least show some intent and have another game to decide the champion.

If they award it based on position on the table, it will only inflict deeper wounds into test cricket, a format that gets less popular day by day.

Absolute hyperbole. TV ratings on a consolidated level have remained steady in the Big 3 countries, and the recent ratings growth during the New Zealand summer with the change in broadcaster has also shown that test cricket remains a format that people are watching.

If the match is rained off, it's unfair on the team finishing first in the table to be penalized. It stands to reason that the onus should be on the other team to win the match.

A shared trophy - especially in the case of a rain-affected draw - will cause more damage and provide validation to the uninitiated who already laugh at the idea that a winner can't be decided in cricket matches even after 5 days of toil in the field.
 
India is due to play the World Test Championship final against New Zealand at Southampton on June 18. For that India have announced a 20-member squad that will be touring England, which included the likes of Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah. The trio is regarded as one of the best in the world, but have stiff competition from their Kiwi counterparts — Trent Boult, Tim Southee and Neil Wagner.

But Shami is of the opinion that Indian bowlers are better than New Zealand and their records speak for themselves. “Obviously, we are (better than Boult, Southee and Wagner). When we play Test cricket, even if someone is having a bad day the other bowlers step up. When someone is down we make sure to pick up that teammate and carry the team forward as a unit. We try to cheer him up as well.

“If you see our records you will have an idea of what I’m talking about. Fans don’t become fans overnight, they know the entire history. We have done a lot of homework to build this fast-bowling trio of me, Ishant Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah,” Shami told Sports Tak.

Shami also feels that the two best teams in the world have reached the final of the inaugural Test championship and that the Kiwis will give a tough fight to the Indians.

“The top two teams have reached the final and the match is in England. Conditions won’t be one-sided for either teams. It will be a good match I think, both teams are balanced and solid. I don’t think either team will leave any lose point,” Shami said.

Team India will leave for England on June 2, and after the completion of the final, will play a five-Test series against England.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...bviously-better-than-new-zealand-3756095.html
 
India is due to play the World Test Championship final against New Zealand at Southampton on June 18. For that India have announced a 20-member squad that will be touring England, which included the likes of Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah. The trio is regarded as one of the best in the world, but have stiff competition from their Kiwi counterparts — Trent Boult, Tim Southee and Neil Wagner.

But Shami is of the opinion that Indian bowlers are better than New Zealand and their records speak for themselves. “Obviously, we are (better than Boult, Southee and Wagner). When we play Test cricket, even if someone is having a bad day the other bowlers step up. When someone is down we make sure to pick up that teammate and carry the team forward as a unit. We try to cheer him up as well.

“If you see our records you will have an idea of what I’m talking about. Fans don’t become fans overnight, they know the entire history. We have done a lot of homework to build this fast-bowling trio of me, Ishant Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah,” Shami told Sports Tak.

Shami also feels that the two best teams in the world have reached the final of the inaugural Test championship and that the Kiwis will give a tough fight to the Indians.

“The top two teams have reached the final and the match is in England. Conditions won’t be one-sided for either teams. It will be a good match I think, both teams are balanced and solid. I don’t think either team will leave any lose point,” Shami said.

Team India will leave for England on June 2, and after the completion of the final, will play a five-Test series against England.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...bviously-better-than-new-zealand-3756095.html

Love Shami bhai, but we gotta be less cocky lol.:apology

Not when we aren't the greatest in playing in England.:jimmy
 
Has Wagner played in ENG before? His lengths are on the shorter side too like Shami, and not geared to make the most of conditions.
 
Confidence is a good thing but naming other teams bowlers isn't a good idea.
NZ have been known to cause one-off upsets and India are perennial slow starters in the series.
 
Confidence is a good thing but naming other teams bowlers isn't a good idea.
NZ have been known to cause one-off upsets and India are perennial slow starters in the series.

And no one in India is a better seam bowler than Boult lol Let us be realistic for once.
 
He's only talking about bowling and is right

It's true that our bowlers are much less conditions dependent than the kiwi ones, but not great optics imo to say we're better than our opponents publicly, especially in conditions (English conditions) where their bowlers - especially Boult and Southee are better than ours imo.
 
Absolute hyperbole. TV ratings on a consolidated level have remained steady in the Big 3 countries, and the recent ratings growth during the New Zealand summer with the change in broadcaster has also shown that test cricket remains a format that people are watching.

If the match is rained off, it's unfair on the team finishing first in the table to be penalized. It stands to reason that the onus should be on the other team to win the match.

A shared trophy - especially in the case of a rain-affected draw - will cause more damage and provide validation to the uninitiated who already laugh at the idea that a winner can't be decided in cricket matches even after 5 days of toil in the field.

Keep in mind that this WTC Final is not going to be streamed in just the Big 3 countries alone, so a lot more international exposure and attention will be brought to test cricket. If millions of people around the globe watch this game and see it end in a draw, they will question the point of having the final in the first place. England and New Zealand in the World Cup Final should have shared the trophy, but they didn't.

The WTC Final is for teams who have made it to the top and were essentially the best throughout the tournament. At this point, nobody cares who finished first in the table because it's irrelevant, the point of having the final in the first place is to have an encounter between both of the best teams without any interference, and if English weather conditions cannot provide a guarantee that the game will be completed (the entire 5 days), then it is not the right place to host the final.

Unfortunately, the popularity of test cricket compared with the other formats, so a draw will not really bring the necessary attention to the format.
 
Keep in mind that this WTC Final is not going to be streamed in just the Big 3 countries alone, so a lot more international exposure and attention will be brought to test cricket. If millions of people around the globe watch this game and see it end in a draw, they will question the point of having the final in the first place. England and New Zealand in the World Cup Final should have shared the trophy, but they didn't.

The WTC Final is for teams who have made it to the top and were essentially the best throughout the tournament. At this point, nobody cares who finished first in the table because it's irrelevant, the point of having the final in the first place is to have an encounter between both of the best teams without any interference, and if English weather conditions cannot provide a guarantee that the game will be completed (the entire 5 days), then it is not the right place to host the final.

Unfortunately, the popularity of test cricket compared with the other formats, so a draw will not really bring the necessary attention to the format.

There's a reserve day in the event that the weather results in a significant loss of play.
 
The difference between the 2 bowling attacks , if any, is minimal. They can swing the ball but our attack is usually quicker and gets more off the pitch.

Their batsmen just have a better approach to swing/seam bowling and play the ball very late with soft hands whereas our batsmen dont. Not even the openers .
 
Keep in mind that this WTC Final is not going to be streamed in just the Big 3 countries alone, so a lot more international exposure and attention will be brought to test cricket. If millions of people around the globe watch this game and see it end in a draw, they will question the point of having the final in the first place. England and New Zealand in the World Cup Final should have shared the trophy, but they didn't.

The WTC Final is for teams who have made it to the top and were essentially the best throughout the tournament. At this point, nobody cares who finished first in the table because it's irrelevant, the point of having the final in the first place is to have an encounter between both of the best teams without any interference, and if English weather conditions cannot provide a guarantee that the game will be completed (the entire 5 days), then it is not the right place to host the final.

Unfortunately, the popularity of test cricket compared with the other formats, so a draw will not really bring the necessary attention to the format.

Test cricket remains the most popular format in England and Australia, and India's large population and passion for cricket will ensure that there will be a sizeable number of hardcore fans that love test cricket.

We have this unfortunate habit of equating Pakistani fans preference with the rest of the world, when Pakistanis have never loved test cricket even during the heyday of the 80s and 90s.

The ICC at this stage don't depend on viewership outside the Big 3 countries and the fact that India are in the final ensures that the BCCI will pay attention to the event in the future.
 
New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson opened up on his excitement to play red-ball cricket in England, as the visitors will play two-match Test series against the hosts followed by the much-anticipated World Test Championship Final versus India. The New Zealand team is currently undergoing the mandatory quarantine period at Southampton ahead of the Test match on June 2.

Williamson said that players are catching up with each other from the balconies of their room in the bio-secure bubble created by the ECB. The skipper feels that the earlier experience of staying in the bubble is very helpful for the players to adapt.

“Most of the team is here now,” Williamson said. “We are all pretty much on the same side [of the hotel] so we’re able to catch up a little bit with one another on our different balconies. For a number of guys, it’s their first time in the bubble, while others have done it a few times, so that can be quite helpful.”

Despite all the tough challenges, Williamson claims that players are all excited to play the World Test Championship final against India as the red-ball series versus England will be a good tune-up for that.

“But there’s a lot of excitement. Just being over here to play Test cricket is always a fantastic opportunity, but to play that third one, which is the World Test Championship final, is pretty special,” Williamson added.

The 30-year-old further talked about how the New Zealand team is going to approach their preparation in the coming days as most of the players will catch up after a long time.

“The first step is getting out of the bubble, and after that, we’re looking forward to starting our preparation, in terms of adjustment to conditions and catching up with the guys. It’s always exciting when there has been a period of time away from the team, and I look forward to that,” he added

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...al-new-zealand-captain-kane-williamson-983548
 
Around 4000 spectators to be allowed for India-New
Zealand WTC final: Host county head



SOUTHAMPTON: The World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand in will be held in the presence of 4000 spectators, head Rod Bransgrove has said.

The COVID-19 situation has improved in the UK and around 1500 people were allowed to watch the county game between Leicestershire and at the Ageas Bowl, which hosts the from June 18.
"We're staging a four-day county game from today and for the first time since September 2019 fans were allowed for a cricket match in England. The other county games of this round will begin tomorrow and those games too will see crowds," Rod Bransgrove, the head of Hampshire County Club, told Cricbuzz on Wednesday.

Bransgrove told the website that the England and ( ) and the ICC are permitting a crowd of "4000 people" in the eagerly-awaited clash.

"I understand 50 per cent of the permitted crowds will be taken by the ICC for its sponsors and other stake holders and we will be selling the rest 2000 tickets. We have already received more than double applications from the fans," Bransgrove said.
"It is a high interest game and there is a good demand for it."

The Indian team, currently quarantining in Mumbai for two weeks, depart for the UK
on June 2.

Virat and his men will undergo a 10-day quarantine in Southampton but are expected to be allowed to train during the period. "We are waiting for the Indian team to complete their quarantine in India and arrive here. We are ready to host them," Bransgrove said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/icc-world-test-championship/around-4000-fans-to-be-allowed-for-india-new-zealand-wtc-final-host-county-head/articleshow/82791930.cms
 
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New Zealand pace bowler Tim Southee said that arrival in Southampton early to undergo quarantine and training will help Kiwis get acclimatized for the World Test Championship (WTC) final against India especially since they will be staying in the same rooms and using same facilities on return from the two-Test series against England.

New Zealand play two Test matches against England from June 2 to June 14. It will be followed by the WTC final against India from June 18 to 22 here.

“It’s nice to be here (Rose Bowl). The guys can familiarize themselves. I imagine we’ll probably be in the same room when we come back. When you come back for the final, you’re a little bit more comfortable having spent some time here and use the facilities and hopefully can get out and make the most of that later in the squad game in the middle,” Southee said.

Southee said playing three back-to-back matches won’t be hectic.

“It’s exciting to play three Test matches in a short space of time. It is something that the team doesn’t get to do that often. We’ve come off a bit of a break, which has been nice, and we’ve been able to get some conditioning into our bodies.”

He added that the next two weeks leading up to the Test series against England will be spent in preparation.

“We will be using the next couple of weeks to get ourselves prepared and ready to play three Test matches. They are in quick succession but we have had a chance to prepare physically leading into this with some strength and conditioning stuff. Now, it’s just getting our loads to a point over the coming weeks so that we can rock on to those three Test matches,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...england-will-give-new-zealand-the-edge-983680
 
World Test Championship's final between India and New Zealand will commence from 3.30pm and it'll be live on Star Sports.
 
Siraj is doing really well, he should play.

Apparently the English conditions will suit Thakur. Besides being a better bat than Siraj, he also took more wickets in the Gabba Test (7 compared to 6 by Siraj).
 
'You're allowed to win, but in the right way': Former NZ batsman says facing India is like 'playing golf against boss'

Mark Richardson, the former New Zealand batsman, has compared facing India in cricket to 'playing golf against your boss'.

India are the No. 1-ranked Test team for a reason. In fact, this is the fifth straight occasion that they have ended the year at the top of the ICC Test rankings. Their 2-1 win in Australia and a 3-1 victory against England at home helped them finish the year with a rating of 121, marginally ahead of New Zealand, who had a rating of 120. Hence, it is no surprise that India and New Zealand have made it to the final of the World Test Championship.

As two of the most decorated teams get set to battle with the inaugural WTC title on the line, former New Zealand batsman Mark Richardson has come up with a rather unique take on the Indian cricket team. The former New Zealand opening batsman reckons facing India in cricket is like 'playing golf against your boss', explaining how it is important to play in the right manner with Virat Kohli and his team.


"I'd look at it from who you want to perform individually against. I look at India at the moment… and it's like playing golf against your boss. You're allowed to win but just in the right way. You know, we stitched them up in New Zealand a couple of times and it always felt a little bit dirty afterwards. It didn't feel like we'd really beaten them," Richardson said on Spark Sport.

Richardson spoke about the three superpowers of international cricket – India, England and Australia – explaining how different it is for New Zealand and its players to be up against each of them. The biggest test for Richardson personally remains playing against Australia. The former batsman played five Tests against the Aussies, scoring 200 runs with a best of 57.

"England, yes… they invented the game and you're always playing for your place as a cricket team, I guess. But Australia to me was like the proving ground for a New Zealand cricketer. You went there to prove your mettle and I did it and I'll take that to the grave actually. I'd probably still need help over what happened in Australia. I think they still hold it over us. Even the very best have underperformed against Australia," Richardson pointed out.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/youre-allowed-to-win-but-in-the-right-way-former-nz-batsman-says-facing-india-is-like-playing-golf-against-boss-101621669067319.html
 
For the first time in 89 years of their Test cricket history, India will play a Test match at a neutral venue when they lock horns with New Zealand in the World Test Championship final in Southampton, though a limited number of Indian fans there could make it home away from home.

Among nations with Test status, India and Bangladesh are the only sides who haven’t played Test cricket at a neutral venue.Over the last decade, most international cricket teams have played series against Pakistan at a neutral venue since there was no cricket in Pakistan. The series were mostly in the United Arab Emirates, with almost no crowd for either side as Test matches found few takers in the Emirates.

No country has visited Pakistan for 10 years since early 2009 when the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked by gunmen. Since India have not played a Test match against Pakistan after the 2007-08 home series, they have not got to play any match at a neutral venue.

India had an opportunity to play at a neutral venue, back in 1998-99 during the Asian Test Championships. The final was played in Dhaka but India failed to reach it and Pakistan and Sri Lanka were involved in the title clash in Dhaka.

The WTC final at Southampton though will most likely be played in front of a crowd of 4,000 and there could be plenty of Indian fans, though not as many as India are used to at home or even overseas nowadays.

Rod Bransgrove, the chairman of the Hampshire Country Cricket Club has been quoted as saying by a section of the media that out of the 4,000 tickets, 50 per cent will go to ICC for its sponsors and stakeholders while they will be selling the remaining 2,000 tickets.

He has been quoted as saying that there is a huge demand for tickets. New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson has termed it an exciting prospect.”I suppose having a different opposition, playing in a neutral country is an exciting prospect,” the New Zealand skipper said.

Unlike India, New Zealand have already set up base in Southampton where they have got used to the conditions. The players are even going to stay in the same rooms.For India, though, the advantage is that they played a Test back in 2018 which they could have won had they not succumbed to Moeen Ali.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...-for-home-support-in-southampton-3766304.html
 
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Apparently the English conditions will suit Thakur. Besides being a better bat than Siraj, he also took more wickets in the Gabba Test (7 compared to 6 by Siraj).

On present form, Siraj is the best bowler from India and maybe the best exponent of red ball in entire Asia. His ability to move the ball at pace will be very handy in Eng. There is no way he should be benched.
 
Time for Bharat Arun to come up with a really good plan for the bowlers :)
 
I predict Sir Ravindra Jadeja to produce an all-round special performance in the WTC final.
 
Senior New Zealand batsman Ross Taylor feels the suspension of the IPL "played into India's hands", giving Virat Kohli's team more time to get acclimatised to English conditions before next month's World Test Championship final. The Indian Premier League, which was suspended earlier this month due to multiple cases of COVID-19 inside its bubble, was due to finish on May 30, while the WTC final between New Zealand and India is scheduled to start from June 18 in Southampton.

"For India, IPL finishing early under unfortunate circumstances has probably played into their hands a little," Taylor told reporters on Sunday.

"If IPL would have gone on they would have had a smaller preparation but now they will be a lot more conditioned, their bowlers will have their loads up," he added.

However, Taylor reckons New Zealand will still have slight advantage over India as they are scheduled to play two Tests against England in the run up to the WTC final.

"I would be lying if you think there isn't some sort of thought about the WTC final but I couldn't think of a better preparation than playing two Tests against England. At the end of the day it's a neutral venue.

"Playing two Tests gives us a slight advantage but this Indian team has been number one for a long period of time and has had a lot of success over here," he added.

There had been some talks that the BCCI had requested to alter the schedule for India's five-Test series against England for completing the IPL, something the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) has denied.

Asked if he was concerned about the future of international cricket amid T20 leagues' boom, Taylor said, "IPL is probably the most high-profile and countries move it around when they don't have the same power. It is what it is, players want to play in it.

"I hope that international cricket still has relevance and priorities at times. As long as things are being moved around it is fine... as long as they aren't getting cancelled and what not."

The right hander, who has featured in 195 Tests, 233 ODIs and 102 T20Is for New Zealand, said most cricketers would still consider international cricket as the pinnacle.

"It's changed a lot form when I started -- IPL, the movement and players. We, as team, weren't able to play in the whole IPL, we played only a couple of weeks.

"It's a move for the good but I hope international cricket is still the pinnacle and I'm sure of it. You ask most of the international cricketers and that's the case."

The 37-year-old also squashed rumours regarding his retirement.

"Age is just a number and as long as you're still enjoying it and feel like you're good enough and can contribute to the team on and off the field."

"I did have 35 in my mind because of the 2019 World Cup but I went there and felt I could still contribute, and therefore, I didn't think just because it was a World Cup it was time to retire, but no I don't have a number in mind," he added.

NDTV
 
Shubman Gill Says India "Can't Be Better Prepared" For World Test Championship Final


Shubman Gill feels the team can't be better prepared for the WTC final against New Zealand but underlined the importance of playing session by session in English conditions.

India opener Shubman Gill feels the team can't be better prepared for the World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand but underlined the importance of playing session by session in English conditions. Gill is undergoing a 14-day quarantine in Mumbai along with the rest of the squad. It will be his first tour of England with the senior team having made his debut in Australia in December last year. He did not have the best of times in the home series against England and he is looking to make amends starting with the WTC final against New Zealand from June 18.

"We did well in Australia. We have been playing well overseas and I feel we can't be better prepared for this final. As an opener, I feel you should be able to play session by session not just in England, overseas in general," Gill told India TV.

"It is very important to play session by session. In England whenever there is cloud around, the ball swings more and when the sun is out, it gets easier to bat. It is important to assess those conditions as an opener," he said.

Talking about the quarantine protocols in COVID times, he said: "It is very hard, you are in a room for 14 days there is not much to do. We are given workout schedules, we do that. We try to keep ourselves busy watching movies and spend some time on the I-pad but it is very hard," said Gill, who has played seven Tests so far.

Gill has been with the Test squad since 2019 but got his big break with the Boxing Day Test at the MCG in December.

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Asked about time spent in the team and interactions with skipper Virat Kohli and opener partner Rohit Sharma, he said: "Virat bhai tells me to play fearlessly whenever we speak about the game. He speaks about mindset a lot, that you have to be in good frame of mind when you go out to bat and shares his experiences.

"And when I am batting with Rohit bhai, we usually discuss where the bowlers will bowl, what the situation is like, depending on that, when to take risk or not."

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/world-test-championship-final-shubman-gill-says-india-cant-be-better-prepared-2448316
 
Cricket great Richard Hadlee believes it is still too soon to declare a favourite in next month's ICC World Test Championship Final but is looking forward to a clash between the two of the best batting and bowling units in the game.

India and the Black Caps finished first and second respectively on the ICC WTC standings and will face each other at the Hampshire Bowl from 18 to 22 June in the decider. It is a match that will pit two of the world's leading batsmen and captains against one another in Virat Kohli and Kane Williamson, as well as an all-star array of bowling and batting talent.

Hadlee says that while cooler conditions could favour the nation he represented 201 times, the match will be decided by which side prepares the best and adapts the quickest.

"It all comes down as to who is better prepared and who adapts better to the English conditions the quickest," he said. "The weather may also play a part and if it is cold that will favour New Zealand. The Duke ball will suit both team’s fast bowlers especially the genuine swing bowlers and the Kiwis are well served in that department with Southee, Boult and Jamieson. If the ball seams around off the pitch, batsmen in both teams will be challenged.

"Both teams have high-class batsmen so it will be an interesting game to watch. It is too difficult to call a winner at this stage."

While the Black Caps have suffered heartbreak in each of the past two ICC Cricket World Cup Finals, Hadee is confident neither they nor India will go into June's match feeling the pressure.

"We have a proud record in 50 over World Cups. Yes, those near misses were frustrating and disappointing but we were so close to winning in 2019 at Lord’s. I would go as far as to say there were no winners and losers on that day – it was just by a technicality that England won!

"The Test Championship is a one-off game. Yes, it is a final, but I don’t think either team will be too fazed about it. It is a neutral ground with no home team advantage," he said. "The Test Championship is a one-off game. Yes, it is a final, but I don’t think either team will be too fazed about it. It is a neutral ground with no home team advantage.

"It is something to look forward to. Both teams deserve to be contesting the final because of their consistent playing performances over a set period of time."
 
One of England’s wettest Mays on record is hampering the Black Caps’ preparation ahead of their first test at Lord’s next week.

But while Black Caps coach Gary Stead admits he’s frustrated with the “horrendous” weather, he is also confident the New Zealand side will be primed and ready come the first ball against the hosts next Wednesday, in a two-match series which then leads into the World Test Championship final against India, starting June 18.

Since arriving last week at their quarantine base at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton – the venue for the WTC decider – and completing their three days of isolation, the Black Caps haven’t yet been able to properly train outdoors, thanks to some rough early-summer conditions.

Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor collide as the Black Caps were once again forced to train indoors in Southampton.
So rainy, in fact, it has been, that up to Sunday (NZ time), the Met Office reported that the UK was already at their 10th wettest May since their records began in 1862.

That has already thrown the Black Caps’ preparations out of kilter, with a scheduled three-day intra-squad match slated to start on Wednesday now shortened to a two-day fixture to begin Thursday.

Stead said that decision was made in order to try and get the players two training days on grass beforehand, amid what is a brightening forecast, albeit with temperatures more in line with current New Zealand ones.

“I guess when you come to an English summer you still expect to get outside occasionally,” Stead quipped on a Zoom call with New Zealand media on Tuesday.

“It’s been a little bit frustrating, because you come over and guys just want to get a feel for the different conditions here.

“We’ve been lucky with the buildup we had in New Zealand. We trained on grass wickets, we had two camps as well. So it’s not like we’re miles behind or anything like that.

“It’s just a little bit different when you’ve got a bigger squad and stuff as well, with 20-odd players here, to manage their expectations when you’re indoors is a little bit more difficult.

“But something that I guess we try and pride ourselves on is our ability to just roll with the punches and keep adapting to what’s in front of us.”

What has also now altered is the earlier than expected reintegration of captain Kane Williamson, Kyle Jamieson and Mitchell Santner, along with trainer Chris Donaldson and physio Tommy Simsek – a group dubbed ‘The Maldives Five’ by Santner, following their stay in the South Asian country en route from the IPL.

With a 10-day isolation period, Stead had initially been under the impression that quintet wouldn’t be able to link up with the rest of the squad until late in the week, but he confirmed they had now met the requirements of the UK government and the ECB (England and Wales Cricket Board) so were able to take part in Monday’s (local time) training, which had them all excited.

“It’s been an interesting few weeks, to say the least, but nice to get out and train and be back around the lads, it’s good stuff,” Santner said.

“It’s pretty slow times in your room, but it’s got to be done and we’ve made it here safely, and I guess that’s all that matters.”

The arrival of those players will now see a ‘Latham XI’ take on a ‘Williamson XI’, instead of a ‘Southee XI’, in the practice game, with Stead confirming the squad would be split up and three Hampshire 2nd XI reps would make up the numbers. Making the most of any outdoor time, players will also train in the nets while the match is on.

Meanwhile, Stead indicated bowling spearhead Trent Boult was on track to feature in the second test against England at Edgbaston, starting June 10, following his brief stint at home after the IPL.

“Trent’s looking to leave New Zealand on the third of June, which is the second day of the test match at Lord’s. So he will come into London and join up with the team somewhere around the time that we’re heading up to Birmingham.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...red-by-one-of-englands-wettest-mays-on-record
 
Just get a feeling we should take KLR instead of Gillo....
I feel his greater experience would stand us in good stead ...especially considering Rohit is too much a roll of the dice kind of opener.....i mean if Gillo and hitman were opening i would nt have too much confidence that we will make it past the first hour unscathed....glad to be proven wrong though...
other wise , i think the match is going to be grand bowlers shootout....and this is where a henry nichols or a che pu type of players will be invaluable....
Go Indiaaaaaa!
 
I think if this Test championship continues then over time it will have equal or greater prestige than the ODI WC, and certainly more than the T20 WC.
 
I think if this Test championship continues then over time it will have equal or greater prestige than the ODI WC, and certainly more than the T20 WC.
For now, it seems like a poorly constructed tournament. All the teams don't even play an equal number of matches. More points for matches in a shorter series? Terrible concept.
 
For now, it seems like a poorly constructed tournament. All the teams don't even play an equal number of matches. More points for matches in a shorter series? Terrible concept.

I am sure that when the ODI WC started back in 1975 it was dismissed as a joke by many. Now it has become the biggest event in cricket. No one disputes that the WI has won 2 ODI WCs, and no one will dispute the winner of the Test WC twenty, fifty years from now.

I agree that the format isn't the best, but it will likely be changed in the future to make it better. I think this tournament will survive simply because it will grab the imagination of the Indian public which is the biggest source of revenues for cricket.
 
I am sure that when the ODI WC started back in 1975 it was dismissed as a joke by many. Now it has become the biggest event in cricket. No one disputes that the WI has won 2 ODI WCs, and no one will dispute the winner of the Test WC twenty, fifty years from now.

I agree that the format isn't the best, but it will likely be changed in the future to make it better. I think this tournament will survive simply because it will grab the imagination of the Indian public which is the biggest source of revenues for cricket.

ODI WC is now pinnacle of the sport, whereas test matches are making losses to many cricket boards. Law of Economics doesn’t support your optimism. Perhaps in next 10-15 years, we might see more and more LOIs or League cricket outside Big3.
 
Hoping for a good game that lasts 5 days.
Both teams have very good bowling and somewhat brittle batting so will be great if nobody gets shot out and both talisman batsmen make scores.
Groundsman should make a good true pitch
 
WORLD TEST CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL PLAYING CONDITIONS ANNOUNCED

India and New Zealand to be crowned joint winners in case of a draw or a tie;

Reserve Day to make up for loss of playing time

The International Cricket Council (ICC) today announced the playing conditions for the ICC World Test Championship Final featuring India and New Zealand at the Hampshire Bowl in Southampton next month.

The playing conditions confirm that a draw or a tie will see both teams crowned as joint winners as well as the allocation of a Reserve Day to make up for any lost time during the regular days of the Final – scheduled to be played from 18 to 22 June, with 23 June set aside as the Reserve Day. Both of these decisions were made in June 2018, prior to the commencement of the ICC World Test Championship.

The Reserve Day has been scheduled to ensure five full days of play, and it will only be used if lost playing time cannot be recovered through the normal provisions of making up lost time each day. There will be no additional day’s play if a positive result is not achieved after five full days of play and the match will be declared a draw in such a scenario.

The playing conditions are available on the page here and explain the calculations of playing time.

In the event of time being lost during the match, the ICC Match Referee will regularly update the teams and media about the way in which the Reserve Day may be used. The final decision on whether the Reserve Day needs to be used will be announced at the scheduled start of the last hour on the fifth day.

The match will be played using Grade 1 Dukes cricket balls.

The final will also see the implementation of the following changes to international playing conditions that came into effect with the ongoing ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League series between Bangladesh and Sri Lanka:

Short Runs – The Third Umpire will automatically review any call of a ‘short run’ by the On-field Umpire and communicate the decision to the On-field Umpire prior to the next ball being bowled.

Player Reviews – The fielding captain or the dismissed batsman may confirm with the Umpire whether a genuine attempt has been made to play the ball prior to deciding whether to initiate a player review for LBW.

DRS Reviews – For LBW reviews, the height margin of the Wicket Zone has been lifted to the top of the stumps to ensure the same Umpire’s Call margin around the stumps for both height and width.
 
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ODI WC is now pinnacle of the sport, whereas test matches are making losses to many cricket boards. Law of Economics doesn’t support your optimism. Perhaps in next 10-15 years, we might see more and more LOIs or League cricket outside Big3.

A "World Champion" has a cachet that a mere Test doesn't have. Hence my optimism that the World Test Championship will catch on with the fans, especially if India keeps doing well :)
 
A "World Champion" has a cachet that a mere Test doesn't have. Hence my optimism that the World Test Championship will catch on with the fans, especially if India keeps doing well :)

World Championship where only two teams get to battle doesn’t fly with many. Like I said, most teams make losses which is why this whole test championship format is a joke. England, India, and Australia will play 4-5 test match series, whereas smaller nations are hosting 2 match series. It won’t be an actual championship until every team plays every team with equal matches(will also love both home and away format).
 
World Championship where only two teams get to battle doesn’t fly with many. Like I said, most teams make losses which is why this whole test championship format is a joke. England, India, and Australia will play 4-5 test match series, whereas smaller nations are hosting 2 match series. It won’t be an actual championship until every team plays every team with equal matches(will also love both home and away format).

I agree that there are reasonable criticisms that can be made of the format, including the fact that the final stage has only 2 teams. But the championship has been spread over more than a year, and when India was playing England, qualifying for the final was definitely on people's minds. Similarly, when India played Australia in Australia, the implications for qualifying for the final were also considered.

At the very least, over the years I think the Test World Championship will gain more respect than the T20 World Championship.
 
I'm delighted with the idea of a rest day for this match, as in this case a shared trophy due to a draw makes complete sense.
 
India to wear special retro jersey in WTC final against New Zealand, Ravindra Jadeja tweets photo

Ravindra Jadeja took to Twitter to share the sweater of India’s retro Test uniform, specially designed for the WTC final against New Zealand, which will begin on June 18 in Southampton.


All-rounder Ravindra Jadeja on Saturday revealed India’s retro kit for the World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand, which will begin from June 18 in Southampton, England.

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Jadeja took to Twitter to share the sweater of India’s retro Test uniform specially designed for the WTC final. The sweater has a blue V-neck border, which used to be a regular feature in Test cricket of till the 90s.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-to-wear-special-retro-jersey-in-wtc-final-against-new-zealand-ravindra-jadeja-tweets-photo-101622276012492.html
 

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R Ashwin gives an intriguing answer when asked about India's chances in WTC final vs New Zealand

Ravichandran Ashwin have an intriguing answer when he was asked about India's chances of winning the World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand in Southampton.

Ravichandran Ashwin expects India to perform like they did in Australia in the upcoming World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand, which will begin from June 18 in Southampton, England.

India had come back from 0-1 down to beat Australia in Australia for the second-time in a row when they took the series 2-1. Ashwin was one of the heroes with both bat and ball. The all-rounder said, India will adapt quickly to the conditions in England, like they did Down Under.

“Once we go there I think the Indian team will adapt quickly and perform like we did in Australia, Ashwin told New Indian Express.

Ashwin, who is currently in Mumbai with the rest of Indian Test squad in a mandatory 14-day quarantine, however was wary of the long gap because of the pandemic.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ashwin-gives-intriguing-answer-when-asked-about-india-s-chances-in-wtc-final-vs-new-zealand-101622286226543.html
 
The Indian cricket team will stay in "managed isolation" before the World Test Championship (WTC) final against New Zealand, the ICC announced on Saturday but did not mention the exact period of hard quarantine upon reaching the UK.

World's top two Test teams will fight it out at the Hampshire Bowl in Southampton from June 18-22.

While New Zealand are already in England for a bilateral series against the hosts, the Virat Kohli-led Indian team will arrive in the UK on June 3 after completing a 14-day quarantine period in India.

"The event has now been granted an exemption by the UK government as outlined in The Health Protection (Coronavirus, International Travel and Operator Liability) (England) Regulations 2021, released on 17 May 2021," the ICC said in a release.

"....Upon landing, they will proceed directly to the on-site hotel at the Hampshire Bowl where they will be tested again before commencing a period of managed isolation," said the ICC release.

However, the ICC release doesn't specify the duration of hard (room) quarantine in Southampton. For the New Zealand team, ECB made it a three-day mandatory room quarantine before allowing the players to train.

Regular tests will be conducted during the period of isolation.

The Indian team will enter UK after completing 14-days in a bio-bubble in Mumbai with six RT-PCR negative tests.

Some of the players like R Ashwin, Mayank Agarwal, Washington Sundar are now allowed to use the hotel gymnasium from May 25 after a week-long room quarantine and three negative tests.

However, a few like skipper Virat Kohli, his white ball deputy Rohit Sharma, all of whom joined late will have a complete room quarantine before boarding the UK flight. They have been provided with gym equipments inside their rooms.

In the UK, players' activity will be allowed in a gradually increasing manner after each round of negative testing, moving from exercise in isolation to small group and then larger squad activity, whilst always remaining within the bio-secure venue.

The New Zealand team will move from the ECB bio-secure environment into the World Test Championship Final bubble on June 15 and will be subject to regular testing prior to and post arrival in Southampton.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...-isolation-before-new-zealand-face-off/383854
 
Mamoon has been spot on with most of his predictions since WC 2019 final.

Hence, let's give a try. What are your predictions for WTC final, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

:vk
 
Mamoon has been spot on with most of his predictions since WC 2019 final.

Hence, let's give a try. What are your predictions for WTC final, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

:vk

Not Mamoon, but my prediction is New Zealand to win in four days (weather permitting).

We might have a good series against England for a change though.
 
Mamoon has been spot on with most of his predictions since WC 2019 final.

Hence, let's give a try. What are your predictions for WTC final, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

:vk

Ind against NZ in ICC tournaments in last 3 decades:
L
L
L
W
L
L
Abandoned
L
L
L

Won 1 in 10 games

#WTCFinal

:nonstop:
 
Sunil Gavaskar explains 'flip side' of New Zealand playing two Tests before WTC final against India

India will take on New Zealand in the World Test Championship final next month in Southampton. The match will kick off from June 18th.

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar has countered the discussion that playing two Tests against England before the World Test Championship final may help New Zealand as they will be more acclimatised to the conditions, while India would be entering the contest without having played any match since the suspension of Indian Premier League.

Gavaskar believes that if New Zealand lose the two matches against England, it would hit their morale.

Also read: ‘Can't wait to get on the field’: After Ravindra Jadeja, Cheteshwar Pujara posts photo in India’s jersey for WTC final

"The pessimists are suggesting that playing two Tests before the WTC finals will be a huge plus for the Kiwis as they will be match ready and better acclimatised to the conditions," Gavaskar wrote in his column in The Telegraph.

The flip side of playing those two Tests is that New Zealand could get beaten and thus be low on morale when they take on India and there could be some injuries and niggles to some of their key players which can happen in early June in England," he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/sunil-gavaskar-explains-flip-side-of-new-zealand-playing-two-tests-before-wtc-final-against-india-101622362637657.html
 
Basically Gavaskar is preempting Kohli and his yes-men in the team management to use lack of match practice as an excuse. I agree.
 
The weather has gone from relentless rain to baking sunshine in a matter of days. Hopefully it holds up for the final.

The WTC concept obviously can be refined, with a simplified points system and each team playing each home and away. However unlike the other formats, Test cricket pre-WTC lacked a finale to build towards. All you got was the captain being handed a mace and an awkward handshake with the ICC CEO after a cycle of bilaterals where teams accumulated ranking points that no casual fan even knew how they were calculated or probably knew the existence of.
 
Sunil Gavaskar explains 'flip side' of New Zealand playing two Tests before WTC final against India

India will take on New Zealand in the World Test Championship final next month in Southampton. The match will kick off from June 18th.

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar has countered the discussion that playing two Tests against England before the World Test Championship final may help New Zealand as they will be more acclimatised to the conditions, while India would be entering the contest without having played any match since the suspension of Indian Premier League.

Gavaskar believes that if New Zealand lose the two matches against England, it would hit their morale.

Also read: ‘Can't wait to get on the field’: After Ravindra Jadeja, Cheteshwar Pujara posts photo in India’s jersey for WTC final

"The pessimists are suggesting that playing two Tests before the WTC finals will be a huge plus for the Kiwis as they will be match ready and better acclimatised to the conditions," Gavaskar wrote in his column in The Telegraph.

The flip side of playing those two Tests is that New Zealand could get beaten and thus be low on morale when they take on India and there could be some injuries and niggles to some of their key players which can happen in early June in England," he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/sunil-gavaskar-explains-flip-side-of-new-zealand-playing-two-tests-before-wtc-final-against-india-101622362637657.html

Pretty sure that England will go all out to thrash NZ so that they can claim they should really have been playing in the final :))
 
India will win, it's not even close - NZ do not stand a chance, if India don't win then it's going to be the upset of the decade
 
Looking how Indian team has failed to perform in knockout stages of ICC tournaments, I've no hope of India winning WTC final.

I wish team proves me wrong this time but won't be surprised if they fail again. You need stars to be aligned to succeed.
 
India will win, it's not even close - NZ do not stand a chance, if India don't win then it's going to be the upset of the decade

NZ is clear favourite here and rightly so .only if WTC final is playing other than England and NZ then i would say india is favourite to win
 
'You can find 1-2, but to find 4-5 is tough': Shami names the ‘best thing’ about India’s pace bowling unit


India have reaped the benefits of having a good pace bowling unit as they have reached the pinnacle of Test cricket. After topping the points table, India will take on New Zealand in the inaugural World Test Championship final.


One of the key components of India’s success in international cricket has been pace bowling. Earlier, fast bowling used to be India’s weak point with the country unable to consistently produce bowlers with pace. However, things have changed drastically in the last decade as Men in Blue now boast one of the most lethal fast-bowling units in world cricket. Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav, and Bhuvneshwar Kumar have taken the Indian pace battery to the next level.

India have reaped the benefits of having a good pace bowling unit as they have reached the pinnacle of Test cricket. After topping the points table, India will take on New Zealand in the inaugural World Test Championship final.

Shami lauded the success of Team India’s fast-bowling unit as he claimed that they are now forcing the opposition ‘to think what wickets they want to offer us.’

"The best thing about our bowling unit is that we have 4-5 pacers who can constantly bowl at over 140-145 clicks. You can find 1-2, but to find 4-5 is tough, and we have that. We force the opposition to think what wickets they want to offer us.”

"I don't think we've had bowlers who could bowl at this pace earlier, we never had 4-5 of them coming in units. Earlier, teams used to plan easily against us but today they are forced to think otherwise," Shami told India News.

Shami also talked about the mental pressure of being in quarantine and how difficult it is.

"As a sportsman, it is really difficult. You play matches, you practice but then you have to quarantine time and again. You cannot go out, all the activities have to take place inside a room. It is very difficult as a sportsman but then in hindsight, it is necessary too. But you have to be really mentally strong for it as it is the mind that gets affected the most as you cannot go out for fresh air also. You cannot go to the gym, you cannot go to breakfast or lunch, you cannot go for practice, it gets difficult. It is a challenge and you have to be mentally strong for it.."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/you-can-find-1-2-but-to-find-4-5-is-tough-mohammed-shami-names-the-best-thing-about-india-s-bowling-unit-101622439538225.html
 
Shami seriously need to stop overhyping our pace attack. It is a very good pace attack but we do not have 4-5 pacers who can consistently bowl at 140-145 clicks.

Also, in terms of quality, none of our pacers have ATG stats to talk about.

Ishant Sharma still averages in 30s, Shami is still to go past 200 test wickets and Bumrah is still to go past 100 test wickets. Siraj is 27 and has only started now.

Ishant - 7
Shami - 7.5
Bumrah - 8.5
Ashwin - 8.5
Jadeja - 8
Bhuvi - 7
Yadav - 6

None of them gets a 9/10 yet.
 
Shami bhai please stop.!!
Praise looks good only when someone else does.
 
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2163291

New Zealand's second-highest wicket-taker in Tests among fast bowlers, Tim Southee believes the Blackcaps pace attack can trouble India in the upcoming inaugural ICC World Test Championship final.

New Zealand's understated bowling phenomenon, Tim Southee, reached the milestone of 300 Test wickets against Pakistan in December last year – he was only the second Blackcaps pacer to achieve this feat after the legendary Richard Hadlee.

Southee, the kingpin of the New Zealand attack, leads the charts for most wickets in the ICC World Test Championship as well, with 51 scalps.

In conditions expected to aid seam bowling in England, Tim Southee believes New Zealand have enough variety in their attack to trouble India in the marquee event.

“I suppose we have four guys offering different things," Southee told The Guardian. "Trent Boult and I with left-arm/right-arm swing, Neil Wagner’s madness, and Kyle [Jamieson] coming in at 6ft 8in adding a new dimension. We just enjoy each other’s success and try to push for wins.

"I just think it helps that Neil is half-mad. He’ll send down 10 overs of bouncers and he just keeps coming; a relentless workhorse who you love to have on your side."

Southee was also effusive in his praise for Jamieson, who has had a sensational start to his Test career, with 36 wickets in six Tests. “A guy who bowls from 6ft 8in will only enhance any attack like ours," said Southee. "He’s a great kid and driven to improve. He swings the ball and always asks questions, bowling a full length. He’s invaluable with the bat too – a massive asset for the side.”

As for his long-time bowling attack partner – Boult and Southee have been team-mates since the ICC Under-19 World Cup in 2008 – Southee credited him for where he is today. “When you take someone out like that – a familiar face – it feels different [Boult will miss the two-Test England series with injury]," said Southee. "But guys will step up. Trent is one of my best mates and if it wasn’t for him, I wouldn’t be where I am today. And I would like to think he would say the same.”

On New Zealand standing on the cusp of World Test Championship glory, Southee remarked: “We’ve come close in a few one-day finals and yeah, for a country of just five million people, it would be pretty special.”
 
NZ is clear favourite here and rightly so .only if WTC final is playing other than England and NZ then i would say india is favourite to win

No, India are the favorites. This is David vs Goliath and India is Goliath.
 
New Zealand expect Trent Boult to miss the upcoming Test series against England in the hope the experienced paceman will be fresh and ready to go for the inaugural World Test Championship final.

The left-arm seamer will miss this week’s first Test at Lord’s as a result of being given family leave in New Zealand after returning home following the coronavirus-enforced postponement of the Indian Premier League earlier in May.

But Boult will only arrive in the UK on Friday and the priority for the Blackcaps would be to make sure he is ready to play against India in the World Test Championship final against India at Southampton as of June 18, rather than have him play the second Test with England the week before.

“I don’t think you’ll see Trent in the two Test matches here,” New Zealand coach Gary Stead told reporters on Monday.

“He arrives on Friday, our planning and what we’re looking at doing with Trent is having him ready for the World Test Championship final. He’s been home, he has had a week of bowling over there which has been great after the fair amount of isolation time at the end of the IPL,” he added.

“But our view with Trent right now is it’s unlikely that he will play the Test at Edgbaston. And he’s more likely to be just available for the one-off Test.”

News18
 
‘India are doing what we used to do under Imran Khan’: Ramiz Raja explains why India are ‘favourites’ across the world

Ramiz Raja said India have become the favourites across the world and they are doing the same thing that he and other former Pakistan players used to do under the leadership of Imran Khan.

Former Pakistan captain Ramiz Raja has hailed Virat Kohli's Team India and pointed out the reasons why they have become the 'favourites' across the world. The Indian Cricket team is set to lock horns with Kane Williamson's New Zealand in the much-awaited World Test Championship final, which kickstarts on June 18 in Southampton. Later, in August, the visitors will square off against the hosts in a 5-match Test series.

India have been terrific in the longest format of the game lately. The World No. 1 Test side defeated Australia in their own backyard to clinch the Border-Gavaskar Trophy and then, they outfoxed England in home Tests. Eventually, they finished on the top of the WTC points table and expected to continue the momentum in the final as well.

Ahead of the much-awaited tournament, Ramiz spoke about the Indian team dynamics and hailed skipper Kohli for his aggressive approach. While speaking to India News, the cricketer-turned-commentator said India have become the favourites across the world and they are doing the same thing that he and other former Pakistan players used to do under the leadership of Imran Khan.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-are-doing-what-we-used-to-do-under-imran-khan-ramiz-raja-explains-why-india-are-favourites-across-the-world-101622526542069.html
 
India nudge it as favourites but that's a bit of an exaggeration...

India has better players, conditions suit NZ better. If India bats first and its top 3 can survive the opening session, it will look good for India.
 
World Test Championship Final Should Be "Best Of Three" Affair, Says India Coach Ravi Shastri

India head coach Ravi Shastri on Wednesday said the World Test Championship final should be a best-of-three affair in the long run and not a one off match like his side is set to play against New Zealand in the inaugural edition. India leave for UK in the late hours of Thursday to play the WTC final against New Zealand in Southampton from June 18 and five games against England starting August 4. "I think ideally, in the long run, if they want to pursue with this Test championship, best of three final would be ideal. A three match series as a culmination of two and a half years of cricket," Shastri said in the pre-departure press conference.

"But they need to finish off the Future Tours Program (FTP) and then start all over again. So one off is one off, guys have earned their stripes, and this is not a team that is suddenly blossomed overnight," he added.

India fly to UK after a 14-day quarantine while New Zealand are already getting valuable practice with the two-match series underway against England.

Shastri said the WTC final is a massive game.

"See, it is the first time that you have a Test Championship final. When you look at the magnitude of the game that's going to be played, I think this is the biggest, if not the biggest ever, because it's the toughest form of the game," he said.

"It's a format that tests you. It's not happened over three days or three months, it's happened over two years, where teams have played each other around the world, and earned their stripes to play the finals so it's one heck of an event," he concluded.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/wtc...ir-says-india-head-coach-ravi-shastri-2454845
 
Mamoon has been spot on with most of his predictions since WC 2019 final.

Hence, let's give a try. What are your predictions for WTC final, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

:vk

India.

The GOAT Asian Test team and the GOAT Asian Test captain will make history by lifting the inaugural WTC and further cement their legacy.
 
World Test Championship Final Should Be "Best Of Three" Affair, Says India Coach Ravi Shastri

India head coach Ravi Shastri on Wednesday said the World Test Championship final should be a best-of-three affair in the long run and not a one off match like his side is set to play against New Zealand in the inaugural edition. India leave for UK in the late hours of Thursday to play the WTC final against New Zealand in Southampton from June 18 and five games against England starting August 4. "I think ideally, in the long run, if they want to pursue with this Test championship, best of three final would be ideal. A three match series as a culmination of two and a half years of cricket," Shastri said in the pre-departure press conference.

"But they need to finish off the Future Tours Program (FTP) and then start all over again. So one off is one off, guys have earned their stripes, and this is not a team that is suddenly blossomed overnight," he added.

India fly to UK after a 14-day quarantine while New Zealand are already getting valuable practice with the two-match series underway against England.

Shastri said the WTC final is a massive game.

"See, it is the first time that you have a Test Championship final. When you look at the magnitude of the game that's going to be played, I think this is the biggest, if not the biggest ever, because it's the toughest form of the game," he said.

"It's a format that tests you. It's not happened over three days or three months, it's happened over two years, where teams have played each other around the world, and earned their stripes to play the finals so it's one heck of an event," he concluded.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/wtc...ir-says-india-head-coach-ravi-shastri-2454845
I get what he is saying but that is not going to happen due to obvious lack of time.

When we don't have best of three finals for ODI WCs or even T20 WCs, what hope do WTC has to have best of three finals?
 
I get what he is saying but that is not going to happen due to obvious lack of time.

When we don't have best of three finals for ODI WCs or even T20 WCs, what hope do WTC has to have best of three finals?

WTC is based on series unlike WC or T20 wc , so its necessary to have best of three finals for WTC
 
WTC is based on series unlike WC or T20 wc , so its necessary to have best of three finals for WTC
I get what you're trying to say.

Best of 3 is ideal culmination of WTC but is never going to happen due to paucity of time especially when played on a neutral location.

IMO, would've been better had this final be played in either of the participating nations, would've given it much more context.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Best part about PC was at start, when Kohli and Ravi didn't knew they were live, they were discussing ongoing ENGvNZ match.<br><br>Kohli was saying something- 'hum inko round the wicket dalwayenge, Left handers hai inpe, Lala Siraj sabko start se hi laga denge.'<br>Shastri nodded "hmm" <a href="https://t.co/iNHZtZNQ44">https://t.co/iNHZtZNQ44</a></p>— Andy (@WeBleedBlue007) <a href="https://twitter.com/WeBleedBlue007/status/1400062445905879045?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So, from the translations I've read, it looks like they're planning to bowl the quicks from round the wicket right from the start to create a rough for Ashwin to exploit against the lefties of NZ.

Lala = Shami, so looks like Shami and Siraj are starters, which probably means Ishant misses out, which is not a bad decision if the wicket is going to be something similar to the pitch in the current test, i.e., flattish without overhead conditions.

So the likely starting XI for the WTC final:

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Kohli (c)
Rahane
Pant (wk)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Siraj
Shami
Bumrah
 
Lala = Shami, so looks like Shami and Siraj are starters, which probably means Ishant misses out, which is not a bad decision if the wicket is going to be something similar to the pitch in the current test, i.e., flattish without overhead conditions.

Leaving Ishant out on a pitch like Lord's would be exactly the braindead call we have come to expect from Kohli. Ishant is tailor made for flat tracks where he runs in all day providing control.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Best part about PC was at start, when Kohli and Ravi didn't knew they were live, they were discussing ongoing ENGvNZ match.<br><br>Kohli was saying something- 'hum inko round the wicket dalwayenge, Left handers hai inpe, Lala Siraj sabko start se hi laga denge.'<br>Shastri nodded "hmm" <a href="https://t.co/iNHZtZNQ44">https://t.co/iNHZtZNQ44</a></p>— Andy (@WeBleedBlue007) <a href="https://twitter.com/WeBleedBlue007/status/1400062445905879045?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So, from the translations I've read, it looks like they're planning to bowl the quicks from round the wicket right from the start to create a rough for Ashwin to exploit against the lefties of NZ.

Lala = Shami, so looks like Shami and Siraj are starters, which probably means Ishant misses out, which is not a bad decision if the wicket is going to be something similar to the pitch in the current test, i.e., flattish without overhead conditions.

So the likely starting XI for the WTC final:

Rohit
Gill
Pujara
Kohli (c)
Rahane
Pant (wk)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Siraj
Shami
Bumrah

Kohli was saying something- 'hum inko round the wicket dalwayenge, Left handers hai inpe, Lala Siraj sabko start se hi laga denge.'
Shastri nodded "hmm"

What does it mean?
Please translate.
 
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Only one of Shami and Siraj should play(unless they take an unlikely punt of leaving Ashwin out and going in with Jadeja as the sole spinner at no.7). And it has to be Siraj...

Shami has time and again proven that he's not the bowler that's suited for English conditions. Ishant is a shoe in unless he gets injured and Bumrah is well...Bumrah.

This is the strongest XI IMO.

Gill
Rohit
Pujara
Kohli
Pant
Rahane
Jadeja
Ashwin
Ishant
Siraj
Bumrah
 
Only one of Shami and Siraj should play(unless they take an unlikely punt of leaving Ashwin out and going in with Jadeja as the sole spinner at no.7). And it has to be Siraj...

Shami has time and again proven that he's not the bowler that's suited for English conditions. Ishant is a shoe in unless he gets injured and Bumrah is well...Bumrah.

This is the strongest XI IMO.

Gill
Rohit
Pujara
Kohli
Pant
Rahane
Jadeja
Ashwin
Ishant
Siraj
Bumrah

Agreed. Shami's naturally short of good length will not provide value for any swing on offer. Also agree with that line-up - Pant ahead of Rahane.
 
Leaving Ishant out on a pitch like Lord's would be exactly the braindead call we have come to expect from Kohli. Ishant is tailor made for flat tracks where he runs in all day providing control.

Well I've been arguing Ishant's case the most in this forum and calling him India's best overseas bowler. And I've called Ishant as India's best swing bowler after Bhuvi. Although he gets the ball to move only one way (inswinger to right handers, outswinger to left handers) and can only make the ball hold its line at best the other way, against left handers, he is arguably the best seamer in world cricket due to the beautiful angle he creates from round the wicket pitching it in and swinging it away.

In my opinion, he should be first name on the sheet in England after his experience in county cricket under Gillespie in England. But I wouldn't be surprised if Kohli drops him for Siraj (makes you wonder if the technical analysts ever do any statistical analysis of bowlers for each country). To be honest, Siraj deserves to play in the starting XI, but not at the cost of Ishant but instead of Shami, who has never been a swing bowler and bowls too short for English conditions. But if there's only one scenario where I wouldn't mind Shami instead of Ishant, it would be if by luck, we get a dry or even a flattish wicket (it would break up anyway after 3 days in the sunny climate) at Southampton and the weather remains sunny without a cloud. Shami could be useful with his reverse swing, particularly in the second innings and even though Ishant can do a good holding role on flat wickets, we have two spinners to do that, so someone like Shami would be more potent with his extra yard of pace on flat tracks. That said, I have no doubt that England would make damp wickets for us in the series with them, so Ishant ahead of Shami would be a no brainer.
 
Sharma is probably India's best bowler in English conditions, it would be remiss if he isn't selected for the WTC final. So Bumrah, Siraj, and Sharma should be the first choice seam attack.

If Shami is to play, it depends on whether the pitch merits the selection of two spinners.
 
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