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1st Test, Lord's : England beat New Zealand by 124 runs

Not to take anything away from NZ, who have played well, but I can't wait for the SA vs ENG tests to start.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
How is Broad still playing for England? He seems quite average/below average.
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I think he should be dropped on current form. He's got time to come back.

I think there will be quite a few draws this summer as the wickets will all be dead and neither Poms nor Antipodeans of both stripes have a good spinner.
 
And in the other game, New Zealand are batting beautifully. Hope Williamson gets his hundred before stumps.
 
Nevermind, cricinfo just about answered me: "Either way, New Zealand are in the pound seats with the chance to just bat once in this match from here, see you tomorrow... "
 
Robert said:
Yep, flat all the way for the whole summer. Looks like a day will be lost to rain, though.
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Why do you reckon they will be flat the whole summer? Preparation for the Ashes in an attempt to neutralize the Australian pace attack?

Not that I fully understand the enormity of the Ashes, but surely such a defensive posture would not be good in the long run?
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Why do you reckon they will be flat the whole summer? Preparation for the Ashes in an attempt to neutralize the Australian pace attack?
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England don't do that. While they would like to, they have no say in the wickets at all.

All the wickets will be dry and with no bounce, every year from now on, because the new drainage systems are so good that there will be nothing in the wicket for quicks or seamers.

In fact last year the wickets suited SL and India more than they did England. The old greentops are a thing of history.
 
England lack quality in the bowling department. Not one of their bowlers would make the World XI right now.

Liking their batting depth though so they shouldn't disturb that. All they need to do is find one good fast bowler to replace Broad and hope that Anderson still has a little more left in the tank. Woods is a good prospect and should be persisted with while Stokes and Ali will do their respective jobs.
 
I think that ultimately Mark Wood bore out everything that I wrote earlier about "short" fast bowlers.

Anderson 16-4-46-0
Broad 16-2-42-1
Wood 13-0-60-0
Stokes 13-2-63-0

Now, Stokes is basically a batting all-rounder who bowls a bit, but has a Test bowling average of 41.72. He isn't skilled enough to keep the scoring rate under control.

Broad and Andersson were both off colour yesterday, but their extra height allows them to keep the flow of runs down to a trickle and their economy rate was below 3.

A shorter bowler like Wood has no such option - there isn't an easy length that he can stick to in order to wear down the batsman's patience.

So England's two support quick bowlers bowled 26 overs between them and allowed New Zealand to score an extra 50 runs on Day 2.

If NZ had closed at 250-2 it would have taken them until Tea on Day 3 to overtake England's first innings score, but instead they will overhaul it before lunch.

That makes a huge difference.

Since this is a Pakistani forum, I remember Waqar Younis suffering the same way in the West Indies in 1992-93 in their series for the Test Championship of the World.

Waqar averaged 20.21 per wicket - almost twice as good as Wasim Akram. But he also lost the series almost single-handedly, because he leaked 4 runs per over and in a low-scoring first 2 Tests that allowed the West Indies to take the game away from Pakistan.

In the First Test, Pakistan bowled out the West Indies for 127 in the middle of Day 1, then tumbled to 140 all out early on Day 2.

But on Day 2, Waqar could not stem the flow of runs - because he was too short to have a tricky length to fall back on - and by the close the West Indies were 333-3 and the Test was lost.

So I worry about Mark Wood. I've seen better bowlers than him who are as short as he is and who didn't make it.
 
Bilal7 said:
England need to get rid of all this dead wood. Bell, Anderson and Broad should have gone out with the rest of England's golden generation. They've been good players and the English team had a true aura of invincibility before they got whitewashed in the UAE but they've all regressed in the last few months.

I hope the selectors are looking for their replacements.
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huh? what?

I have my doubts about us winning in england this winter but take jimmy out and im feeling pretty bloody good about our chances, he is and likely will till he retires by the key man for england in england.
 
trogger said:
huh? what?

I have my doubts about us winning in england this winter but take jimmy out and im feeling pretty bloody good about our chances, he is and likely will till he retires by the key man for england in england.
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This.

Anderson in overcast conditions with the new ball could really run through us
 
Sounds like it could be cloudy early on day 3 as well, new ball available pretty much straight away so real good hour from jimmy and broad and england could be back in this.
 
Bad day for England but still a chance to get back in it. Could be a close and exciting climax to the Test match in the end!
 
Junaids said:
Now, Stokes is basically a batting all-rounder who bowls a bit, but has a Test bowling average of 41.72. He isn't skilled enough to keep the scoring rate under control.
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They are using him wrong. He should come on for four-over bursts at 90 mph here and there to rough the batters up. He's not a stock bowler.
 
Robert said:
They are using him wrong. He should come on for four-over bursts at 90 mph here and there to rough the batters up. He's not a stock bowler.
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But if he was to be used like that, England would need to find a better spinner than Moeen Ali. That Stokes is considered as a genuine bowler is the only reason Moeen doesn't have to bowl 30 overs a day. The three main seamers can send down 20 each, or thereabouts, but then that leaves a big chunk for Moeen to fill, if Stokes is only going to bowl a handful of overs.
 
Pantani said:
But if he was to be used like that, England would need to find a better spinner than Moeen Ali. That Stokes is considered as a genuine bowler is the only reason Moeen doesn't have to bowl 30 overs a day. The three main seamers can send down 20 each, or thereabouts, but then that leaves a big chunk for Moeen to fill, if Stokes is only going to bowl a handful of overs.
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Yeah, even though they have five bowlers the attack is still not balanced. How much Swann is missed, because he could take wickets and defend at the same time. England would be a good side with a spinner of his ability.
 
8 more required by Kane Williamson to be the 1st centurion of these series.
 
NZ need to clear the deficit and then get a lead of around 200. Will make the match interesting :rosco
 
Robert said:
Yeah, even though they have five bowlers the attack is still not balanced. How much Swann is missed, because he could take wickets and defend at the same time. England would be a good side with a spinner of his ability.
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Hmmm well Swann was one of the greatest off spinners of all time, so yeah imagine he would improve any side.
 
With captain McCullum still to come if the current two batsman can last the 1st session, leather hunting for Poms :nasser
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
new zealand will take this match comfortably, cannot see eng bat for 2 days. only rain can save them..
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I don't think I agree.

New Zealand will only win if they bat until after Tea today and lead by more than 200 runs.

If they have to bat again on Day 5 the rough from Boult and Anderson will be even worse and Moeen could have a field day.

It's a slow, flat wicket.

My guess is that NZ will get out around Tea time today for 510, a lead of 120.

England should then knock off those runs early tomorrow morning and reduce it to a one-innings match, and a nailed-on draw.

I can't see New Zealand winning this match unless they get a First Innings lead of 250 - which means scoring 640 in their First Innings. Which I don't think will happen.
 
Junaids said:
I don't think I agree.

New Zealand will only win if they bat until after Tea today and lead by more than 200 runs.

If they have to bat again on Day 5 the rough from Boult and Anderson will be even worse and Moeen could have a field day.

It's a slow, flat wicket.

My guess is that NZ will get out around Tea time today for 510, a lead of 120.

England should then knock off those runs early tomorrow morning and reduce it to a one-innings match, and a nailed-on draw.

I can't see New Zealand winning this match unless they get a First Innings lead of 250 - which means scoring 640 in their First Innings. Which I don't think will happen.
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hypothically if nz bat all day today and take a lead in circa of 250, cannot see eng batting the full two days, even if eng manage a slight lead with a few sessions left nz will win comfortable.
 
Wood changed his boring English action to a refreshingly old-fashioned action for two deliveries.
 
Butler, Root, Alistair; Who is the England Captain? good point from the commies, no one should undermine the captain like that. Butler should have spoken to Cook before moving the field
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
hypothically if nz bat all day today and take a lead in circa of 250, cannot see eng batting the full two days, even if eng manage a slight lead with a few sessions left nz will win comfortable.
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I agree, but as I wrote earlier they would have to score 640 to set that up. I don't think that they will.
 
That's 4 different bowling actions that Mark Wood has tried in a single over.
 
I've got Cricinfo on as well as the TV and Test Match Special.

Cracked me up that the sub is called Jordan Price, and Cricinfo warned people not to google the name! Very good advice.
 
Junaids said:
I agree, but as I wrote earlier they would have to score 640 to set that up. I don't think that they will.
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the way they are playing they might touch the 600 runs mark. New Zealand odds on favourite from here.

Lets see what transpires...
 
Looks like BMac is about to go nuts now, what a shot for 6!
 
short ball smashed for 4 by Bmac.

400 up for Kiwis...
 
Junaids said:
New Zealand will only win if they bat until after Tea today and lead by more than 200 runs.
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I wonder if Mac is a genius after all, flogging his bowlers in the first hour in the knowledge that only early wickets can restrict scoring on this deck.
 
Bmac gone, wood gets his 1st wicket! good catch by Root!
 
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